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Trump's immigration policy is already causing issues with Mexico. It's funny that the Mexican government didn't care one bit about the thousands of illegal immigrants coming through their southern border since they knew Biden was going to accept/prolong their claim workup with his bogus CBP asylum app.


Now Sheinbaum has to actually do something about her southern border and now has to deal with unskilled illegal immigrants flooding her country.

And I guess Mexican citizens aren't too happy with the poverty and tent cities these illegals bring with them. What a surprise.

But every liberal keeps telling me that uneducated low skilled illegal immigrants are a net fiscal benefit. Mexico should be cheering this situation on so they can improve their economy.

I wonder what kind of strain this will put on Mexican healthcare. Their hospitals are notorious for throwing people out to die if they can't pay.

Can liberals just admit the illegal immigration situation that the Biden administration fostered was completely nuts?
 
anonperson said:
We didn't really have harsh enough penalties.

Look at a country like Singapore. They have harsh laws and their drug use rates are significantly lower than ours.
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Our drug problem is NOT having harsh enough penalties for the users. They are addicted and are not of sound mind to make logical decisions. They will use no matter what.

To stop this, we need to go after the cartel. Hit them hard. Hit their bank accounts. Send drones in. Are we going to completely stop it? Of course not, when there is money to be had people will risk death. But if it stops 25%, that is tens of thousands that we saved.

I am happy that DJT is making Mexico know that they need to be a partner and not a protector of the Cartels.
 
Gern Blansten said:
For the past two years, there have been a cadre of bullies that shouted down opinions that showed any favor for Trump.
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When moderators picked sides, when moderators ban posters on the right but never on the left; it emboldens the left to be hostile.

This is no different than 2016 when MSM made DJT radioactive. 2024 is different, people are realizing common sense matters no matter how it is presented. This is what is endearing to the lower/middle class. They see DJT as one of them.

It is hard for the elite left to see because they tend to talk down to those who do not have their echo chamber thinking. When was the last time KH or JB had such rockstar reception?

Trump receives raucous chants of ‘USA! USA!’ while touring casino floor following Las Vegas speech​

 
emergentmd said:
When moderators picked sides, when moderators ban posters on the right but never on the left; it emboldens the left to be hostile.

This is no different than 2016 when MSM made DJT radioactive. 2024 is different, people are realizing common sense matters no matter how it is presented. This is what is endearing to the lower/middle class. They see DJT as one of them.

It is hard for the elite left to see because they tend to talk down to those who do not have their echo chamber thinking. When was the last time KH or JB had such rockstar reception?

Trump receives raucous chants of ‘USA! USA!’ while touring casino floor following Las Vegas speech​

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You really think it is the media’s fault he’s radioactive? That they made him radioactive?

My gosh the victim mentality is strong with you and Trump.

He should have been radioactive when he took out a page ad calling for the death penalty for the Central Park 5. He should have been more radioactive when he said he could stand on 5th Avenue and shoot someone. He should have been more radioactive when he had to settle a lawsuit on his university for fraud. And let’s not forget the Access Hollywood tape, insulting his 2016 GOP other potential nominees and his nicknames for them and insulting their family members, and the Stormy Daniel . . .
He practically eats and drinks radioactive material but it’s the media’s fault?
How many times did we hear that he’ll rise to the level of the presidency or that the position will humble him?
Nope, he is fully who is he, radioactivity and all. He’s Teflon-Don. 1% of his radioactivity would have annihilated most prior candidates. But his MAGA followers eat it up. And we as a nation have emboldened him.
He’s not a victim
 
anonperson said:
We didn't really have harsh enough penalties.

Look at a country like Singapore. They have harsh laws and their drug use rates are significantly lower than ours.
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They are also smaller have a different culture and are not us.
 
Gern Blansten said:
Anyone watching what Trump has done in the first week of office compared to Biden’s four years and still says this is a bad thing is beyond help. Trump is coming in hot and calling out the nonsense. He may not win all of the battles he’s fighting but he’s putting up a pretty good fight and has a lot of momentum. It’s funny to see politicians and celebrities now lining up to support him. Maybe many did before but they had been effectively silenced. Many now feel empowered to speak up without having to be afraid of being shouted down. You can even see it in this forum. For the past two years, there have been a cadre of bullies that shouted down opinions that showed any favor for Trump. I have seen a handful of them now soften their stance and actually post favorably about Trump. Many others who were part of that cabal have wisely stopped posting. Only a few of the outspoken ones remain to fight the good fight. They haven’t slowed down and keep digging in on their failed points. But I am certainly glad to see this forum more back to normal disagreements without the cabal using mob mentality to shove their opinions on everyone with their disdain for dissenting opinions.
If you are still posting as if this past election was just a normal close election and not a mandate for change, I disagree. This was as much of a mandate as most have seen in their lifetime. Not quite Reagan Mondale 1980, but I don’t think we will see that kind of unity across the US any time soon. There was no way that Trump was ever going to win certain states, but he made huge gains in those lock democrat states. No one expected that.
If Stephen Smith sees it, then everyone should see it. He’s about as die hard liberal as they come. Pretty soon, it will just be USC ghost, Rowsdower, Joy Behar, Rachel Madcow, and Robert Deniro… and no one else. They may continue to defend the past four years, but that doesn’t mean everyone else has to.
Time to love our country again and help the nation get back on track with a little common sense. Common sense has been absent for so long that, when some hear it, it seems very foreign to them. I personally hope that common sense becomes common again.
Having a President who is visible and interacts with the people and takes questions from the press and the citizens and other politicians seems so foreign. But it is so refreshing to see it. Anyone who thinks that is a bad thing seems to be unreasonable to me. I watched him talk to a crowded room for over an hour. He called out stupid policies. He spoke up for the citizens of a city where the majority of citizens have had only disdain for him for the past decade. That state’s Democratic Party has to be worried because the citizens are starting to see that the Emperor (Gavin Newsome) has no clothes. It’s kind of fun to watch their eyes open. Like children who learn new things for the first time.
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Plenty of what he's done in the last week hasn't been good. Plenty more of what he's said he's going to do isn't good.

I'm not saying it's all bad, because clearly it isn't. But you can't pretend everything he's said and done is good either.
 
Onefellswoop87 said:
You really think it is the media’s fault he’s radioactive? That they made him radioactive?

My gosh the victim mentality is strong with you and Trump.

He should have been radioactive when he took out a page ad calling for the death penalty for the Central Park 5. He should have been more radioactive when he said he could stand on 5th Avenue and shoot someone. He should have been more radioactive when he had to settle a lawsuit on his university for fraud. And let’s not forget the Access Hollywood tape, insulting his 2016 GOP other potential nominees and his nicknames for them and insulting their family members, and the Stormy Daniel . . .
He practically eats and drinks radioactive material but it’s the media’s fault?
How many times did we hear that he’ll rise to the level of the presidency or that the position will humble him?
Nope, he is fully who is he, radioactivity and all. He’s Teflon-Don. 1% of his radioactivity would have annihilated most prior candidates. But his MAGA followers eat it up. And we as a nation have emboldened him.
He’s not a victim
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I never said he was/is a victim. I have said repeatedly he is not a good person.

I don't believe in victim mentality and believe in the American dream of outworking people where America allows you to be successful no matter the obstacles.

But if this is what you got from his 1st and 2nd presidency, then you have your head in the sand. Libs continue to not understand the change in out electorate and what people want. All it matters to the left is, DJT bad and no matter what he does he will be bad. He is far from perfect, but he won the popular vote so let the man do what he was voted to do. His promises on the trail are being kept, this is what America voted for no matter how much you dislike him.
 
VA Hopeful Dr said:
Plenty of what he's done in the last week hasn't been good. Plenty more of what he's said he's going to do isn't good.

I'm not saying it's all bad, because clearly it isn't. But you can't pretend everything he's said and done is good either.
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I don't agree with everything he does. Actually, I agree with about 1/2-2/3. But what he is doing now is what he said he would do on the trail. Promises made, promises kept at least for now. America voted for this and you have to give him credit that he is attempting to follow through with this.
 
emergentmd said:
I never said he was/is a victim. I have said repeatedly he is not a good person.

I don't believe in victim mentality and believe in the American dream of outworking people where America allows you to be successful no matter the obstacles.

But if this is what you got from his 1st and 2nd presidency, then you have your head in the sand. Libs continue to not understand the change in out electorate and what people want. All it matters to the left is, DJT bad and no matter what he does he will be bad. He is far from perfect, but he won the popular vote so let the man do what he was voted to do. His promises on the trail are being kept, this is what America voted for no matter how much you dislike him.
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Biden won the popular vote in 2020. Did conservatives let him do what he was voted in to do? No, they put up obstacles and tried to obstruct every initiative. This is the American way.
 
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The mortgage interest deduction vs standard deduction tax laws by trump in 2017 actually helps middle and lower class. Trump basically doubled the standard deduction where less than 10% of people use the mortgage interest deduction

bipartisanpolicy.org

Is it Time for Congress to Reconsider the Mortgage Interest Deduction? | Bipartisan Policy Center

This explainer provides an overview of the MID, examines its effectiveness at encouraging homeownership, and highlights proposals to convert the MID to a tax…
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I’ve never understood liberals ideology republicans tax cuts only help the wealthy.

Percentage wise as a portion of their income. A 10% cut for poorer people helps them vs a 2% tax cut for a millionaire.

Liberals love or plan the raw numbers change vs the percentage game.

Raw numbers tax cuts will always mean someone making 10 million will benefit more with a 2% tax cut over someone making 50k a year with a 10% tax cut. It’s very simple math.

Don’t forget Obamacare Medicare taxes and surtaxes add 0.9-3.8% more taxes back against earners. And it’s not index for inflation.

Than they talk about how to pay for all of this. The biggest democratic policy of all time. Medicare spending is the most cost efficient way to to rein in costs. Plus defense spending. Except no one is brave enough to cut those budgets. Republican or democrat

It sounds draconian. But someone with Mets everywhere. What’s the point of spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to prolong life. The healthcare system can likely save an easy 200 billion a year (20-%) avoiding unnecessary hospitalization and end of life care. It’s the simple honest truth no one wants to talk about.
 
aneftp said:
The mortgage interest deduction vs standard deduction tax laws by trump in 2017 actually helps middle and lower class. Trump basically doubled the standard deduction where less than 10% of people use the mortgage interest deduction

bipartisanpolicy.org

Is it Time for Congress to Reconsider the Mortgage Interest Deduction? | Bipartisan Policy Center

This explainer provides an overview of the MID, examines its effectiveness at encouraging homeownership, and highlights proposals to convert the MID to a tax…
bipartisanpolicy.org bipartisanpolicy.org

I’ve never understood liberals ideology republicans tax cuts only help the wealthy.

Percentage wise as a portion of their income. A 10% cut for poorer people helps them vs a 2% tax cut for a millionaire.

Liberals love or plan the raw numbers change vs the percentage game.

Raw numbers tax cuts will always mean someone making 10 million will benefit more with a 2% tax cut over someone making 50k a year with a 10% tax cut. It’s very simple math.

Don’t forget Obamacare Medicare taxes and surtaxes add 0.9-3.8% more taxes back against earners. And it’s not index for inflation.

Than they talk about how to pay for all of this. The biggest democratic policy of all time. Medicare spending is the most cost efficient way to to rein in costs. Plus defense spending. Except no one is brave enough to cut those budgets. Republican or democrat

It sounds draconian. But someone with Mets everywhere. What’s the point of spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to prolong life. The healthcare system can likely save an easy 200 billion a year (20-%) avoiding unnecessary hospitalization and end of life care. It’s the simple honest truth no one wants to talk about.
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You are right about end of life being a cost sink. But the republicans are the ones who scared America into inaction by talking about “death panels” and “rationing” during Obama years.
 
aneftp said:
The mortgage interest deduction vs standard deduction tax laws by trump in 2017 actually helps middle and lower class. Trump basically doubled the standard deduction where less than 10% of people use the mortgage interest deduction

bipartisanpolicy.org

Is it Time for Congress to Reconsider the Mortgage Interest Deduction? | Bipartisan Policy Center

This explainer provides an overview of the MID, examines its effectiveness at encouraging homeownership, and highlights proposals to convert the MID to a tax…
bipartisanpolicy.org bipartisanpolicy.org

I’ve never understood liberals ideology republicans tax cuts only help the wealthy.

Percentage wise as a portion of their income. A 10% cut for poorer people helps them vs a 2% tax cut for a millionaire.

Liberals love or plan the raw numbers change vs the percentage game.

Raw numbers tax cuts will always mean someone making 10 million will benefit more with a 2% tax cut over someone making 50k a year with a 10% tax cut. It’s very simple math.

Don’t forget Obamacare Medicare taxes and surtaxes add 0.9-3.8% more taxes back against earners. And it’s not index for inflation.

Than they talk about how to pay for all of this. The biggest democratic policy of all time. Medicare spending is the most cost efficient way to to rein in costs. Plus defense spending. Except no one is brave enough to cut those budgets. Republican or democrat

It sounds draconian. But someone with Mets everywhere. What’s the point of spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to prolong life. The healthcare system can likely save an easy 200 billion a year (20-%) avoiding unnecessary hospitalization and end of life care. It’s the simple honest truth no one wants to talk about.
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It's pretty simple. A general goal of a government is to maximize the benefits to as many folks as possible. As a share of after-tax income, tax cuts at the top — for both households in the top 1 percent and the top 5 percent — are more than triple the total value of the tax cuts received for people with incomes in the bottom 60 percent.[2]

So if you had $10 in tax revenue revenue...

Neutral plan
$5 healthcare
$2 defense
$2 social services for the poor (welfare, Medicaid
$1 misc


GOP plans
$3 to rich
$1 to poor
$5 healthcare
$2 defense
$1 only for social services for poor
Borrow $2

Dem dream plans
$-1 to rich
$ 2 to poor
$ 5 healthcare
$ 2 defense
$ 2 to social services for poor

Which plan helps the poor more?
Which plan is better for national budget?
Can the rich tolerate more taxes without affecting quality of life?

In the end we have to cut or raise revenue. Cuts sound nice but other than massive cuts to health and defense, the only way is to tax the rich.

Tax cuts do help the poor, they just don't help them enough. They help the rich too much. And damage the future financials of the county.

That's what you maga don't seem to understand
 
The CIA, in the twilight of the Biden presidency, concludes lab leak as the leading theory of COVID 19 origin.

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Covid-19: CIA says lab leak most likely source of outbreak - BBC News

But the US intelligence agency cautions it has "low confidence" in this new determination.
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www.theguardian.com

CIA now backs lab leak theory to explain origins of Covid-19

Analysis released by new director, John Ratcliffe, suggests the agency believes totality of evidence makes a lab origin
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DocMcCoy said:
The CIA, in the twilight of the Biden presidency, concludes lab leak as the leading theory of COVID 19 origin.

www.bbc.com

Covid-19: CIA says lab leak most likely source of outbreak - BBC News

But the US intelligence agency cautions it has "low confidence" in this new determination.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com

www.theguardian.com

CIA now backs lab leak theory to explain origins of Covid-19

Analysis released by new director, John Ratcliffe, suggests the agency believes totality of evidence makes a lab origin
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

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With the caveat that the CIA has low confidence in its assessment…

Most scientific consensus says otherwise.
 
UscGhost said:
It's pretty simple. A general goal of a government is to maximize the benefits to as many folks as possible. As a share of after-tax income, tax cuts at the top — for both households in the top 1 percent and the top 5 percent — are more than triple the total value of the tax cuts received for people with incomes in the bottom 60 percent.[2]

So if you had $10 in tax revenue revenue...

Neutral plan
$5 healthcare
$2 defense
$2 social services for the poor (welfare, Medicaid
$1 misc


GOP plans
$3 to rich
$1 to poor
$5 healthcare
$2 defense
$1 only for social services for poor
Borrow $2

Dem dream plans
$-1 to rich
$ 2 to poor
$ 5 healthcare
$ 2 defense
$ 2 to social services for poor

Which plan helps the poor more?
Which plan is better for national budget?
Can the rich tolerate more taxes without affecting quality of life?

In the end we have to cut or raise revenue. Cuts sound nice but other than massive cuts to health and defense, the only way is to tax the rich.

Tax cuts do help the poor, they just don't help them enough. They help the rich too much. And damage the future financials of the county.

That's what you maga don't seem to understand
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You are Dealing with raw numbers

The bottom 40% pay zero federal taxes most years.
40% of Americans are on some
Type of single pay govt healthcare (medicaid/chip/medicare)

You can tax the rich 100% and it still
Doesn’t touch the deficit but the feds still need the middle class tax base. Now what is middle class. It’s people who actually pay federal taxes. Those who make 30k single /50k head of household and 65k married. And up. And that’s assuming no kids

What you want is close to communism and even advance societies Ike Denmark make those lower class citizens pay more. In exchange for more social safety nets.

I’ve always cited Vermont failure of single payer healthcare. 17-18% tax. Lawmakers got freaked out. But that’s what it takes to fix healthcare.

What your propose is to let the other guys pay for the programs. Ok….raise the cap on social security. That still doesn’t fix social security because the program was designed at a time when people only live to age 60 in 1935.

Without drastic cuts to programs like healthcare and defense. There is no end in sight for the budget programs and tackling the deficit.

And the rich can always escape. Remember that. Maryland had a millionaire’s tax back in 2008. All of the state of Maryland projected increased tax revenues to try to pay for programs in the blue state.

Tax filings for millionaires in Maryland tumbled by 30%! So Maryland was stuck expecting more revenue.

Some thing with trying to raise taxes on the top 1. They will escape. Than your projected tax revenues you expected to pay for programs evaporated.

Europeans have learned how the super rich escape taxes. They reside in other counties legally.
 
ucladoc2b said:
With the caveat that the CIA has low confidence in its assessment…

Most scientific consensus says otherwise.
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They join the FBI and department of energy with this determination.

A determination that has been largely politicized and suppressed since the outbreak, in case anybody needed a reminder of why Fauci got a pardon. The suppression of scientific inquiry is something we should all oppose.
 
UscGhost said:
It's pretty simple. A general goal of a government is to maximize the benefits to as many folks as possible. As a share of after-tax income, tax cuts at the top — for both households in the top 1 percent and the top 5 percent — are more than triple the total value of the tax cuts received for people with incomes in the bottom 60 percent.[2]

So if you had $10 in tax revenue revenue...

Neutral plan
$5 healthcare
$2 defense
$2 social services for the poor (welfare, Medicaid
$1 misc


GOP plans
$3 to rich
$1 to poor
$5 healthcare
$2 defense
$1 only for social services for poor
Borrow $2

Dem dream plans
$-1 to rich
$ 2 to poor
$ 5 healthcare
$ 2 defense
$ 2 to social services for poor

Which plan helps the poor more?
Which plan is better for national budget?
Can the rich tolerate more taxes without affecting quality of life?

In the end we have to cut or raise revenue. Cuts sound nice but other than massive cuts to health and defense, the only way is to tax the rich.

Tax cuts do help the poor, they just don't help them enough. They help the rich too much. And damage the future financials of the county.

That's what you maga don't seem to understand
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Yes all of this works well in Europe. Burgeoning and growing economies without much problem attracting large venture capital investment.

For what it’s worth trump tax cuts helped residents way more than they helped attendingd at the time. Seems like it was the biggest middle class boon in my lifetime.

If I was a resident or teacher or police officer now I’d be outraged to see the trump cuts expired
 
PainInTheAnes said:
Yes all of this works well in Europe. Burgeoning and growing economies without much problem attracting large venture capital investment.

For what it’s worth trump tax cuts helped residents way more than they helped attendingd at the time. Seems like it was the biggest middle class boon in my lifetime.

If I was a resident or teacher or police officer now I’d be outraged to see the trump cuts expired
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The big standard deduction and 750k cap on mortgage interest deduction favors those in cheaper homes or renters.

The salt 10k deduction generates more revenue for the govt as well and hurts attendings with homes property tax over 10k and high state income taxes states.

Lower middle class people are not affected by it
 
aneftp said:
The big standard deduction and 750k cap on mortgage interest deduction favors those in cheaper homes or renters.

The salt 10k deduction generates more revenue for the govt as well and hurts attendings with homes property tax over 10k and high state income taxes states.

Lower middle class people are not affected by it
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Mostly talking standard deduction increase. SALT cap was a tax on the rich and I think appropriate. However now I will profit either way if tax cuts expire but I’m used to the current system, which is definitely better for middle class households

Mortgage interest deduction is one of the more clear taxes on younger people now too. Too expensive to buy a home now and the older generations reap the tax benefit.

Any conversation about taxing the upper class more starts with getting rid of the mortgage tax deduction imo
 
VA Hopeful Dr said:
He won and the GOP has both houses of Congress.
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I agree. Winning is what matters, not the score. A win in overtime is still a win. So is a win by 40 points. With a win comes the laurels. Arguing over how big the win was is snarky and borders on pedantry. Same for the winner bragging about a mandate.
 
PainInTheAnes said:
Mostly talking standard deduction increase. SALT cap was a tax on the rich and I think appropriate. However now I will profit either way if tax cuts expire but I’m used to the current system, which is definitely better for middle class households
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Correct. I really don’t understand the liberals on these message boards.

I think the trump taxes don’t really help many docs making 250-700k (which covers 95% of docs)

So the top 5-10% bracket don’t get much benefit especially in blue collar states

The bottom 80% get the benefits

The top 1% get the benefit.

Most docs are in no man land with trump tax cuts.
Many docs have property taxes over 10k plus pay more in state income taxes

A 2%tax cut for a doc making 700k is pretty inconsequential especially if they losing a massive 65k California state income tax deduction
 
DocMcCoy said:
The CIA, in the twilight of the Biden presidency, concludes lab leak as the leading theory of COVID 19 origin.

www.bbc.com

Covid-19: CIA says lab leak most likely source of outbreak - BBC News

But the US intelligence agency cautions it has "low confidence" in this new determination.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com

www.theguardian.com

CIA now backs lab leak theory to explain origins of Covid-19

Analysis released by new director, John Ratcliffe, suggests the agency believes totality of evidence makes a lab origin
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

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No new information, just a new conclusion.
 
DocMcCoy said:
They join the FBI and department of energy with this determination.

A determination that has been largely politicized and suppressed since the outbreak, in case anybody needed a reminder of why Fauci got a pardon. The suppression of scientific inquiry is something we should all oppose.
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Has anyone actually released any evidence of an actual lab leak? No.

There’s plenty of evidence in the natural origin/human zoonotic crossover theory (like all other viral pandemics).
 
TRUMP SAYS WILL IMPOSE EMERGENCY 25% TARIFFS ON ALL COLOMBIAN GOODS COMING INTO THE UNITED STATES, WILL RAISE THAT TO 50% IN ONE WEEK

Their main export to us is petroleum
 
ucladoc2b said:
Has anyone actually released any evidence of an actual lab leak? No.

There’s plenty of evidence in the natural origin/human zoonotic crossover theory (like all other viral pandemics).
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Well it’s been an uphill battle since the beginning. Remember, it started as a crackpot conspiracy theory.

Would be pretty easy to disprove with China’s help.

The fact is politicization of the pandemic led to gross mismanagement and bad science. And that’s true from both parties.
 
Too many wins to count.

Columbia refused planes carrying violent illegal immigrants send by DJT. DJT said, we have a bigger stick then you and you will take them while liking it. Columbia now sends the presidential plane to do our bidding.

Good to be and act like the most powerful country in the world. Too much winning.

South America see they are not dealing with a weakened POTUS anymore. Play ball the American way or let your country rot like Venezuela.
 
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ucladoc2b said:
Has anyone actually released any evidence of an actual lab leak? No.

There’s plenty of evidence in the natural origin/human zoonotic crossover theory (like all other viral pandemics).
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Occam's Razor:

1. There just happens to be a virology research lab at the location of the outbreak.
2. Somebody ate an undercooked bat or had sex with a pangolin.

Which one is more likely?
 
DocMcCoy said:
lol. that’s how science works to you?
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Does the CIA conduct science experiments?

Also let's say it is a lab leak--so what? What exactly is the big response to that information going to be precisely? Nuke China? Declare war on them? Put sanctions on them when they are responsible for almost all the cheap **** in our stores? Why are we expending any resources on this question at all at this point?
 
Lab leak deniers are like flat earthers. Just myopic and don't care to even think that it is possible. I don't even care about this, its over, tens of thousands of Americans died and can't bring them back.

Columbia just bowed to the DJT. Mexico Bowing. Canada Bowing. DJT knows how to play hardball and lead
 
chessknt said:
Does the CIA conduct science experiments?

Also let's say it is a lab leak--so what? What exactly is the big response to that information going to be precisely? Nuke China? Declare war on them? Put sanctions on them when they are responsible for almost all the cheap **** in our stores? Why are we expending any resources on this question at all at this point?
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Are you serious? Some people think the truth is important. It would be worth it just for the scientific community to have to say we got this one wrong. Admitting politics got in the way of science means we might do better next time. It will be worth it just to see the bias narrative be forced to change. I’ll be interested to see how the wiki entries regarding COVID origins change over the coming years.

As for China, if they accidentally detonated a couple nukes in major cities across the globe resulting in millions of deaths there would be immediate and severe consequences. If the lab leak theory is true, that’s essentially what they did. The world is entitled to answers and China should be held accountable.

Some of yall are happier to blame hillbillies that didnt want to wear masks or get vaccines. They didn’t cause the problem.
 
DocMcCoy said:
Are you serious? Some people think the truth is important. It would be worth it just for the scientific community to have to say we got this one wrong. Admitting politics got in the way of science means we might do better next time. It will be worth it just to see the bias narrative be forced to change. I’ll be interested to see how the wiki entries regarding COVID origins change over the coming years.

As for China, if they accidentally detonated a couple nukes in major cities across the globe resulting in millions of deaths there would be immediate and severe consequences. If the lab leak theory is true, that’s essentially what they did. The world is entitled to answers and China should be held accountable.
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That's a lot of flowery language--what is president Trump supposed to do if it is confirmed exactly? Like what specific action or set of actions should be taken if this is proven to be true?

There are a lot of things we don't ever get to know the truth about that we have to live with so pretending like some quest for truth for the sake of it is the reason for obsessing over this is disingenuous.

If China blew up a few cities and we all retaliated in kind the world would be over even if it was the right thing to do. What is the right thing to do here? Should we form a giant one world army and destroy them? Some more hilariously ineffective tariffs? Just write it down in a journal so we can all know it happened then do nothing else and we're all satisfied with that?
 
chessknt said:
That's a lot of flowery language--what is president Trump supposed to do if it is confirmed exactly? Like what specific action or set of actions should be taken if this is proven to be true?

There are a lot of things we don't ever get to know the truth about that we have to live with so pretending like some quest for truth for the sake of it is the reason for obsessing over this is disingenuous.

If China blew up a few cities and we all retaliated in kind the world would be over even if it was the right thing to do. What is the right thing to do here? Should we form a giant one world army and destroy them? Some more hilariously ineffective tariffs? Just write it down in a journal so we can all know it happened then do nothing else and we're all satisfied with that?
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There is a lot of information available on the topic. They need to be held accountable for recklessness. Sanctions, expropriating Chinese property in foreign countries, international human rights courts, canceling treasury debt, reorganization of international supply chains, freaking banning them from the Olympics, increase worldwide engagement with Taiwan, even a worldwide public shaming would be something. Point is, it makes zero sense to throw up our hands and say we can’t do anything about it.
 

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chessknt said:
Also let's say it is a lab leak--so what? What exactly is the big response to that information going to be precisely?
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OK, This is evidence #100 but for this 2 year old thread the greatest DTJ derangement syndrome/Dems never do bad/JB good post I have ever seen. Please Left brothers, please defend this. Physicians are scientists at heart. We practice medicine based on facts.

But yet, we think putting our head in the sand and just ignore what could/likely have caused the biggest cause of death in our generation is OK? If this was a lab leak, then we are just going to be ok waiting for the next potenitaly worse leak? I don't say this lightly but will try nicely, but are you just plain dumb?
 
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MirrorTodd said:
I mean who doesn't love a good ole-fashioned trade war between countries? Am I right people? Like that's DEFINITELY gonna help the economy right?
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Ehhh, what trade war. The US dictates rules and S. America follows. It just depends how much the Boss wants to push. I hope America likes a strong POTUS because I sure like seeing it.
 
crna2006 said:
You realize this already happened in the past with Jordan, they had a cool civil war with the Palestinians. I doubt Jordan wants to do it a second time.
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They could just accept them and be nice to each other. The UN could provide all the humanitarian aid they need. Everyone could get enough food and shelter assuming Jordan doesn’t tie up all the aid like mean old Israel has been doing. Seems like a better solution

After all, the gazan civilians are not Hamas and are completely separate with their own agency. In fact they are yearning to be free and live in peace

Right?
 
MirrorTodd said:
It's all fun and games until the countries band together against the US.
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Wake me up when this happens. Please, wake me up. Always looking for the worse outcome.

DJT strong - no wars
JB weak - Israel + Russia.
DJT strong - Israel cease fire + Russia war will be over in the next year or two.
 
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