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Social Security employees knew the billionaire’s claim had no basis in fact. After journalists followed up, staff members began drafting a response correcting the record.

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Great example of how the right-wing machine uses deliberate lies and fraud to brainwash MAGA into supporting their destruction.

“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”​

 
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I don't guys...based on this Trump seems to think that Putin actually fought in WW2.


Donald trump along with other candidates Harris, Biden even. John Kerry, George Bush 43 pretty much prove you can be poor or below average student and he elected for major official offices like us senator or even president.

Agree or disagree?

All C students. All of them not the brightest bulbs in the world. I don’t even think Obama even released his high school grades.

Shows you that you can be showman or show woman and get ahead in the world.
 


Not surprised. I’m shocked Cruz took the interview. He’s an AIPAC tool like most major American politicians.

I’m sure the Trump voters here will find a way to bend their Gumby-like moral and ethical spine to defend his decision on Iran, but it’s insane. It doesn’t benefit America at all to get involved here! Stay away! Let the warmonger Netanyahu (and war criminal…) fight his own battles.

Where’s the evidence Iran had nukes or were even close??? Regime change? I hope this sounds familiar to you all….
 
Not surprised. I’m shocked Cruz took the interview. He’s an AIPAC tool like most major American politicians.

I’m sure the Trump voters here will find a way to bend their Gumby-like moral and ethical spine to defend his decision on Iran, but it’s insane. It doesn’t benefit America at all to get involved here! Stay away! Let the warmonger Netanyahu (and war criminal…) fight his own battles.

Where’s the evidence Iran had nukes or were even close??? Regime change? I hope this sounds familiar to you all….

Also Trump demands “UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER” of Khamenei from his social media? Are you freaking kidding me? Israel ATTACKED Iran!! Is a country who is attacked not allowed to defend themselves in Trump/Netanyahu world? This is insanity!!
 
Are you actually serious with this nonsense?
My point is most of our elected politicians were not good students. Mainly C students in high school and probably even college.

Agree or disagree?

It just shows you anyone can wing it and become a politicians. And we all know Obama likely checked the minority box to get into college and law school. Let’s not kid ourselves.

Huge uproar on a Maryland high school campus where half Asian half Africa kid got into elite school. With average grades and schools (for those elite college) You wanna bet which race they check 6-7 years go to get into that school?
 
My point is most of our elected politicians were not good students. Mainly C students in high school and probably even college.

Agree or disagree?

It just shows you anyone can wing it and become a politicians. And we all know Obama likely checked the minority box to get into college and law school. Let’s not kid ourselves.

Huge uproar on a Maryland high school campus where half Asian half Africa kid got into elite school. With average grades and schools (for those elite college) You wanna bet which race they check 6-7 years go to get into that school?
I don’t waste my critical thinking on school report cards of other people. Didn’t when I was in school so why the heck would it suddenly matter 20+ years later?

And your position regarding that school kid story is that they should have left every box blank? With that crazy logic Tiger Woods is neither Black nor Asian.
 
I don’t waste my critical thinking on school report cards of other people. Didn’t when I was in school so why the heck would it suddenly matter 20+ years later?

And your position regarding that school kid story is that they should have left every box blank? With that crazy logic Tiger Woods is neither Black nor Asian.
Because you know as I know for academic admission checking black means better chance than checking Asian on the school admissions application. Let’s not play dumb here

2. If you mess up anywhere in college you likely will end up at Caribbean med school if you are white or Asian. There are no second chances after you mess up with grades trying to go to get into med school school if Asian or white.

3. You can mess up anytime and become a politician. Like poor performing students like trump, Biden , Kerry , Harris etc. these are our so called leaders. Who have no clue what they are doing. And making policy decisions.
 

A good article from state media. Read what Dr. Mike says about ultra processed foods and why those foods fail us from a health perspective. Also read why he believes Kennedy isn’t fit to lead HHS.
 
Dint
My point is most of our elected politicians were not good students. Mainly C students in high school and probably even college.

Agree or disagree?

It just shows you anyone can wing it and become a politicians. And we all know Obama likely checked the minority box to get into college and law school. Let’s not kid ourselves.

Huge uproar on a Maryland high school campus where half Asian half Africa kid got into elite school. With average grades and schools (for those elite college) You wanna bet which race they check 6-7 years go to get into that school?
Didnt know C students routinely get into harvard and Columbia..

And if someone got into an elite school with "average grades for that elite college" then by definition, they were better than 49% of the other kids at that elite college. So thats normal
 
Donald trump along with other candidates Harris, Biden even. John Kerry, George Bush 43 pretty much prove you can be poor or below average student and he elected for major official offices like us senator or even president.

Agree or disagree?

All C students. All of them not the brightest bulbs in the world. I don’t even think Obama even released his high school grades.

Shows you that you can be showman or show woman and get ahead in the world.

Because you know as I know for academic admission checking black means better chance than checking Asian on the school admissions application. Let’s not play dumb here

2. If you mess up anywhere in college you likely will end up at Caribbean med school if you are white or Asian. There are no second chances after you mess up with grades trying to go to get into med school school if Asian or white.

3. You can mess up anytime and become a politician. Like poor performing students like trump, Biden , Kerry , Harris etc. these are our so called leaders. Who have no clue what they are doing. And making policy decisions.
Thank you much for the constant reminders that other people have done bad things, or come from privilege, etc etc. I hope it is comforting for you as the current admin causes irreparable and unfortunately for you indefensible harm to the country and the world. Deflect, deflect deflect.

Economy is worse, debt is worse, even more regressive tax system proposal, no health care reform, emerging gestapo, anti-vax at highest level of govt, self-enrichment to the tune of billions of dollars in a matter of months, utter failure of DOGE resulting in deaths, changing world order for one that is FAR less stable, multiple emerging or worsening conflicts, ignoring court orders written even by conservative appointees, president not knowing about constitutional responsibilities, removal of cybersecurity measures and data protection so that it is in the hands of others, no sensible AI regulation work (instead going with whatever the tech bro oligarchs want), gutting health and technology research funding. Pathetic.
 

A good article from state media. Read what Dr. Mike says about ultra processed foods and why those foods fail us from a health perspective. Also read why he believes Kennedy isn’t fit to lead HHS.
Who’s doctor Mike? Is he even any good as a regular FP? Many of those who go to social media really aren’t good clinicians to began with.

Would you trust Dr Sanjay operating on your spine multi levels anymore?

So Dr Mike’s comments hold no value to most of us. Just another interest wanna be.
 
Thank you much for the constant reminders that other people have done bad things, or come from privilege, etc etc. I hope it is comforting for you as the current admin causes irreparable and unfortunately for you indefensible harm to the country and the world. Deflect, deflect deflect.

Economy is worse, debt is worse, even more regressive tax system proposal, no health care reform, emerging gestapo, anti-vax at highest level of govt, self-enrichment to the tune of billions of dollars in a matter of months, utter failure of DOGE resulting in deaths, changing world order for one that is FAR less stable, multiple emerging or worsening conflicts, ignoring court orders written even by conservative appointees, president not knowing about constitutional responsibilities, removal of cybersecurity measures and data protection so that it is in the hands of others, no sensible AI regulation work (instead going with whatever the tech bro oligarchs want), gutting health and technology research funding. Pathetic.
You guys always use the word deflect when I make
My points.

Yes or no. Our leaders aren’t exactly the brightest ? And these are the leaders making policy. And I’m not even disagreeing trump is an idiot. It’s that you guys refuse to admit Biden Harris are just as idiotic as trump when it comes to education levels.

The debt is worst became of long time democratic policies. Especially Medicare. Medicare is 1.5 trillion dollars now. That’s the 1965 democratic policies no one wants to touch.

Defense and Medicare spending. That’s how you control the deficit. No one listens to

Regressive tax? 40% pay no federal taxes thanks to bush 43. Yet Obama with super majority with a stroke of a pen had opportunity to roll back the bush tax cuts to Clinton era taxes. Yet he was chicken to roll it back.

So who’s at fault for our deficit…drums roll. Everyone is at fault. Democrat or republican.

Fair and balance reporting.
 
Who’s doctor Mike? Is he even any good as a regular FP? Many of those who go to social media really aren’t good clinicians to began with.

Would you trust Dr Sanjay operating on your spine multi levels anymore?

So Dr Mike’s comments hold no value to most of us. Just another interest wanna be.
Doctor Mike is actually pretty sensible and well rounded in his opinions. Evidence based.

What opinion is he incorrect about? Is that just a useless overgeneralization?
 
Who’s doctor Mike? Is he even any good as a regular FP? Many of those who go to social media really aren’t good clinicians to began with.

Would you trust Dr Sanjay operating on your spine multi levels anymore?

So Dr Mike’s comments hold no value to most of us. Just another interest wanna be.

Dude your posts are intolerable these days. Go find some happiness in the world before the Israeli war machine blows it up.

Step 1 - read the article
Step 2 - decide whether or not you agree with his actual words
Step 3 - go from there
 
Don’t we have one of the most progressive tax systems in the world?
Yes and no. Uk France etc. their citizens actually pay taxes. 40% of Americans pay zero federal income taxes.

It’s been a big problem since bush 43 tax cuts no one wants to change the tax structure for the bottom 40%. Once you get use to not paying federal taxes no one wants to change it. Obama and Biden didn’t touch the bottom 40% either

Our best tax collecting years were with Clinton when Everyone paid taxes. The bottom 40%. The top 1% paid!

Go figure. When everyone contributes. We all help each other.
 
Doctor Mike is actually pretty sensible and well rounded in his opinions. Evidence based.

What opinion is he incorrect about? Is that just a useless overgeneralization?
No useless when the vast majority of these tv personalities have no clinical skills.

Big talk. Little skills. You should know that
 
Because you know as I know for academic admission checking black means better chance than checking Asian on the school admissions application. Let’s not play dumb here

2. If you mess up anywhere in college you likely will end up at Caribbean med school if you are white or Asian. There are no second chances after you mess up with grades trying to go to get into med school school if Asian or white.

3. You can mess up anytime and become a politician. Like poor performing students like trump, Biden , Kerry , Harris etc. these are our so called leaders. Who have no clue what they are doing. And making policy decisions.
Mommy and Daddy’s money can have a bigger impact. You are quite myopic despite proclaiming your omnipotence.

 
No useless when the vast majority of these tv personalities have no clinical skills.

Big talk. Little skills. You should know that
Clinical skills are irrelevant because we have no way to assess them remotely..unless you have specific info to question his credentials or training.

Again, your statement is a useless overgeneralization without specific evidence or expert opinion/consensus regarding his capabilities
 
Clinical skills are irrelevant because we have no way to assess them remotely..unless you have specific info to question his credentials or training.

Again, your statement is a useless overgeneralization without specific evidence or expert opinion/consensus regarding his capabilities
Dr Mike offers zero solutions. Just double speak with more research.

He’s no expert.

Everyone claims to be an expert when they are just talking out of their heads. And yes. I watched the video.

Saying that. Rfk doesn’t know what he’s doing either.

We have a country no one knows what’s they are doing.
 
Dude your posts are intolerable these days. Go find some happiness in the world before the Israeli war machine blows it up.

Step 1 - read the article
Step 2 - decide whether or not you agree with his actual words
Step 3 - go from there
I disagree with everyone. Dr Mike. Rfk etc.

No one knows what they are doing.
 
Mommy and Daddy’s money can have a bigger impact. You are quite myopic despite proclaiming your omnipotence.

USC isn’t exactly a top university. It’s basically for kids who couldn’t get into UC school. And yes. Half my family lives in California. Some attended UC undergrad and med schools (Berkeley and ucsf)

You only consider usc if u get rejected from the big UC schools.

So USC just wants the cash.
 
You guys always use the word deflect when I make
My points.

Yes or no. Our leaders aren’t exactly the brightest ? And these are the leaders making policy. And I’m not even disagreeing trump is an idiot. It’s that you guys refuse to admit Biden Harris are just as idiotic as trump when it comes to education levels.

The debt is worst became of long time democratic policies. Especially Medicare. Medicare is 1.5 trillion dollars now. That’s the 1965 democratic policies no one wants to touch.

Defense and Medicare spending. That’s how you control the deficit. No one listens to

Regressive tax? 40% pay no federal taxes thanks to bush 43. Yet Obama with super majority with a stroke of a pen had opportunity to roll back the bush tax cuts to Clinton era taxes. Yet he was chicken to roll it back.

So who’s at fault for our deficit…drums roll. Everyone is at fault. Democrat or republican.

Fair and balance reporting.
Your points are ignored because you are making them in the context of absolutely insane s*** going on. It is a stupid point to make that politicians are not the best and brightest. All of them have self interest and got to where the got through some type of machiavellianism. That is not news or noteworthy in the setting of all the crap I listed. Biden had plenty of flaws. He promised he would be a one term president, didn't honor that particularly well. He passed some significant infrastructure and technology legislation, as well as for climate change (which you conservatives acknowledged in the 2000s until corporations changed their minds). He did plenty of nonsense too. It is not black and white. Happy now? We are going to disagree on specifics, but yeah, he wasn't perfect. Basically everyone would have preferred the alternative candidates.

Conservatives have had 80 years to do anything about this. It is an issue of both parties.

Agree about defense and medical care controlling the deficit, but am sure we disagree about the specifics.

The deficit is less of an issue than you make it out to be, per a majority of economists. The more pressing, actually important issues, which Trump is failing on, are more prescient and important. You love to deflect to this stuff way too much.
 
I disagree with everyone. Dr Mike. Rfk etc.

No one knows what they are doing.
Well thats your problem right there. If you disagree with everyone, then you are disagreeing with correct as well as incorrect statements.

If, on the other hand, you are sufficiently knowledgeable on the subject matter at hand, then its pretty easy to discern correct from incorrect opinions.

Now we have solved why most of your statements make little overall sense!
 
You guys always use the word deflect when I make
My points.

Yes or no. Our leaders aren’t exactly the brightest ? And these are the leaders making policy. And I’m not even disagreeing trump is an idiot. It’s that you guys refuse to admit Biden Harris are just as idiotic as trump when it comes to education levels.

The debt is worst became of long time democratic policies. Especially Medicare. Medicare is 1.5 trillion dollars now. That’s the 1965 democratic policies no one wants to touch.

Defense and Medicare spending. That’s how you control the deficit. No one listens to

Regressive tax? 40% pay no federal taxes thanks to bush 43. Yet Obama with super majority with a stroke of a pen had opportunity to roll back the bush tax cuts to Clinton era taxes. Yet he was chicken to roll it back.

So who’s at fault for our deficit…drums roll. Everyone is at fault. Democrat or republican.

Fair and balance reporting.
Republicans have by far increased the deficit more than Democrats since Reagan. Including now when Trump is trying to increase it to $3.4 trillion annually despite simultaneously gutting every positive institution in America. And your "both sides" deflections are stupid because they deliberately ignore the magnitude of a problem (or just outright lie) so you can pretend like Trump is not far more harmful. The kind of stuff that would get an eye roll in high school debate.
 
Dint

Didnt know C students routinely get into harvard and Columbia..

And if someone got into an elite school with "average grades for that elite college" then by definition, they were better than 49% of the other kids at that elite college. So thats normal
Technically, that would be the median.
 
Which countries have more progressive tax systems for the middle class? Genuinely curious on that
Lots of Europe, for starters
 
Republicans have by far increased the deficit more than Democrats since Reagan. Including now when Trump is trying to increase it to $3.4 trillion annually despite simultaneously gutting every positive institution in America. And your "both sides" deflections are stupid because they deliberately ignore the magnitude of a problem (or just outright lie) so you can pretend like Trump is not far more harmful. The kind of stuff that would get an eye roll in high school debate.
The interest alone adds to the deficit each year. We have what’s equivalent to a negative amortization home loan.

We have an aging population and Medicare spending is out of control (despite liberals claims it’s not costing as much as it should be). 1.5 trillion in 2025 vs 600 billion under bush 43. Whose fault is that? You see it doesn’t matter who the president is. It will continue growing. The spending caused by the 1965 democratic passed legislation.

No one can fix it. No one wants to fix it.
 
Your points are ignored because you are making them in the context of absolutely insane s*** going on. It is a stupid point to make that politicians are not the best and brightest. All of them have self interest and got to where the got through some type of machiavellianism. That is not news or noteworthy in the setting of all the crap I listed. Biden had plenty of flaws. He promised he would be a one term president, didn't honor that particularly well. He passed some significant infrastructure and technology legislation, as well as for climate change (which you conservatives acknowledged in the 2000s until corporations changed their minds). He did plenty of nonsense too. It is not black and white. Happy now? We are going to disagree on specifics, but yeah, he wasn't perfect. Basically everyone would have preferred the alternative candidates.

Conservatives have had 80 years to do anything about this. It is an issue of both parties.

Agree about defense and medical care controlling the deficit, but am sure we disagree about the specifics.

The deficit is less of an issue than you make it out to be, per a majority of economists. The more pressing, actually important issues, which Trump is failing on, are more prescient and important. You love to deflect to this stuff way too much.
It’s been evenly split who’s been in charge the last 80 years.

Both parties are to blame.

Trump will be gone and you will still have problems.

Trump was gone for 4 years and we still had deficit problems which kept growing. And I’m not even addressing the inflation.
 
I’m sure the Trump voters here will find a way to bend their Gumby-like moral and ethical spine to defend his decision on Iran, but it’s insane.
It'd be funny if it wasn't so depressingly predictable. Literally every single policy they voted for, except decreasing the rate of cross-border illegal immigration, has gone 180 degrees the other way. Just like we told them it would.

Well, maybe they'll get their desired tax cuts, at the expense of ballooning the deficit they used to pretend to care about.

Where’s the evidence Iran had nukes or were even close??? Regime change? I hope this sounds familiar to you all….
We'd be better off rationally planning for a world in which Iran has nuclear weapons, than clinging to the delusion that we can prevent their acquisition.
 
It’s been evenly split who’s been in charge the last 80 years.

Both parties are to blame.

Trump will be gone and you will still have problems.

Trump was gone for 4 years and we still had deficit problems which kept growing. And I’m not even addressing the inflation.
This will remain tangential if you leave it at this, but I am hoping we can get into circumstantial thoughts if you manage to bring it back to a relevant topic
 
Lol there's the classic aneftp response where he just ignores contradicting evidence and says the same thing over again like that will make it true.
 
This will remain tangential if you leave it at this, but I am hoping we can get into circumstantial thoughts if you manage to bring it back to a relevant topic
You guys deflect blame to any republican agenda. Yet think democrats share no responsibility for this mess we are in.

Zero responsibility.
 
Lol there's the classic aneftp response where he just ignores contradicting evidence and says the same thing over again like that will make it true.
What’s the evidence? Who passed the biggest spending problem we have? Medicare… who passed it. Think of the core of our problems.
 
You guys deflect blame to any republican agenda. Yet think democrats share no responsibility for this mess we are in.

Zero responsibility.
You are responding, apparently, to a diaspora when you respond to me? I am responding directly to you. Perhaps it would make more sense to respond to the content of individual posts and not what Fox News tells you is the hidden agenda behind every argument I or others make.
 
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