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Splenda88 said:
I spent a total of 6 yrs of my life in 2 Spanish countries. I speak the language. Their culture is more male centric than the US.
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Even more black men voted for trump in 2024 than in 2020. Every single African American and Hispanic male anesthesiologist is a trump supporter within my circle. But the minority female annesths are anti trump.

Trump resonates with the male population even traditionally minorities.
 
PainInTheAnes said:
I know this is like fresh meat for liberals on computers looking for an outrage hit though
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I mean, I assume everyone in America cares about the rights of actual Americans. Rather sad you brush it off as ‘owning the libs’. Guilty until proven innocent I guess.

I’ll ask again. Does ICE have the authority to arrest Americans. Released immediately after? Who cares. Where would they take the guy anyway? Some detainment center? He’s an American citizen.
 
aneftp said:
Even more black men voted for trump in 2024 than in 2020. Every single African American and Hispanic male anesthesiologist is a trump supporter within my circle. But the minority female annesths are anti trump.

Trump resonates with the male population even traditionally minorities.
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It seems like minorities are tired with the women and LGBTQ+ movements.
 
Southpaw said:
I mean, I assume everyone in America cares about the rights of actual Americans. Rather sad you brush it off as ‘owning the libs’. Guilty until proven innocent I guess.

I’ll ask again. Does ICE have the authority to arrest Americans. Released immediately after? Who cares. Where would they take the guy anyway? Some detainment center? He’s an American citizen.
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I honestly don’t know what ICE is allowed to do or not, but I don’t know for sure that ICE arrested the guy either or what he was doing that led to it. The story is all according to the person in question, so you’ll excuse me not rushing to believe it 100% right off the bat.

If his rights were violated he’s in luck. He’ll be in line for a multi million dollar settlement as is tradition in America when the authorities do something wrong. Every lawyer in California will jump to take his case just like any other wrongful arrest that gets media attention
 
PainInTheAnes said:
Darn fascists then released him immediately afterwards
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Gotcha. So you are ok with them dragging a US citizen out of his vehicles, slamming him to the ground, cuffing him...because they realized they ****ed up and let him go afterwards?

Hopefully nobody pulls you over and does the same..
 
UscGhost said:
Gotcha. So you are ok with them dragging a US citizen out of his vehicles, slamming him to the ground, cuffing him...because they realized they ****ed up and let him go afterwards?

Hopefully nobody pulls you over and does the same..
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I’m saying that I’ll wait for the police/ICE report and actual news coverage before I start my escape from the US plan. Not take the word of some aggrieved activist
 
PainInTheAnes said:
I’m saying that I’ll wait for the police/ICE report and actual news coverage before I start my escape from the US plan. Not take the word of some aggrieved activist
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So there is a middle ground between liberals losing their hair over their anxiety or you not caring at all if your US Citizen neighbor is ‘arrested’ or ‘detained’ by ICE (who per Gemini has no authority over US citizens) while mowing his yard minding his own business. You can say something to the effect of ‘yeah we don’t have all the details but ICE shouldn’t be arresting US citizens’.

This reminds me of your posts on starving Gazans in a food line (after a 3 month blockade by Netanyahu) getting shot because they wandered into an area they shouldn’t be in (with an arbitrary line likely made up by Israel with their new plan of occupying Gaza).
 
Southpaw said:
So there is a middle ground between liberals losing their hair over their anxiety or you not caring at all if your US Citizen neighbor is ‘arrested’ or ‘detained’ by ICE (who per Gemini has no authority over US citizens) while mowing his yard minding his own business. You can say something to the effect of ‘yeah we don’t have all the details but ICE shouldn’t be arresting US citizens’.

This reminds me of your posts on starving Gazans in a food line (after a 3 month blockade by Netanyahu) getting shot because they wandered into an area they shouldn’t be in (with an arbitrary line likely made up by Israel with their new plan of occupying Gaza).
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Like I said, he’ll get a multi million dollar settlement out of it if it’s as bad as you make it out to be, and as clear cut with so much evidence in his favor.

If he was wronged, it sounds like he’s in line for serious restitution based on your reaction.
 
PainInTheAnes said:
Like I said, he’ll get a multi million dollar settlement out of it if it’s as bad as you make it out to be, and as clear cut with so much evidence in his favor.

If he was wronged, it sounds like he’s in line for serious restitution based on your reaction.
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As I’ve as I’ve made it out to be? Got it. Here’s
my statement “ICE doesn’t have the authority to arrest or detain US Citizens.”
 
Southpaw said:
ICE has no authority over US Citizens. There was a time when conservatives felt actions like this were a sign of clear government overreach.
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Mostly true statement. If us citizens are assisting illegals. Than ice does have some authority in that matter.

So if the LA dodgers are subcontracting out illegals for say parking lot duties. (Contract sub contracts out this work usually) (even if they don’t know about it). Ice could claim they have a right to intervene.

There are legal loopholes. And that’s why we have the court system of Checks and balances
 
Southpaw said:
Do you support the arrest of American citizens by masked ICE officers who don’t identify themselves and as far as I can tell don’t have the authority to arrest American citizens? If you do not support that then you shouldn’t allow a passive acceptance, which you did with your post. If you do support that, wth is wrong with you?

I really don’t understand posts like yours. Have the cajones to call something very obviously wrong, wrong.
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Don't forget the bogus assault charges if you don't fall limp while you are being kidnapped or manhandled or try to say or do literally anything. The lack of outcry from the right maga base is embarrassing. If ice broke in to your house and tried to arrest you because they ****ed up would you just lay there like a dead fish because if not you would probably 'assault' them by virtue or touching one of them.
 
chessknt said:
Don't forget the bogus assault charges if you don't fall limp while you are being kidnapped or manhandled or try to say or do literally anything. The lack of outcry from the right maga base is embarrassing. If ice broke in to your house and tried to arrest you because they ****ed up would you just lay there like a dead fish because if not you would probably 'assault' them by virtue or touching one of them.
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Reminds me of people getting put on no fly lists for “Not following FAA regulations” when they refused to put on masks on airplanes (except when eating or drinking of course because that always made sense that the germs didn’t hurt you while you were snacking duhhh).

I know which government overreach I prefer. I’ll let you know if ICE or any other law enforcement ever shows up at my house with bad intentions.
 
PainInTheAnes said:
Like I said, he’ll get a multi million dollar settlement out of it if it’s as bad as you make it out to be, and as clear cut with so much evidence in his favor.

If he was wronged, it sounds like he’s in line for serious restitution based on your reaction.
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Conservatives overestimate the number of million dollar settlements and underestimate the number of times cops/Feds get qualified immunity.
 
rowsdower88 said:
Conservatives overestimate the number of million dollar settlements and underestimate the number of times cops/Feds get qualified immunity.
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Liberals overestimate just how much any of the bottom 95% of the income brackets care about ICE mistakenly arresting and then releasing someone.

Look around you, it's beautiful outside in 3/4 of the country this week. No one cares about some random person in LA getting an injustice done to them. The real injustice there is the housing costs and regulations, which no one here seems nearly as outraged by, and the government has far more control over.

Sorry to deflect but there are so many nothingburgers discussed here that no one cares about except the chronically online with a neuralink hooked to CNN, MSNBC, and Pod Save America.

When liberal pundits make real issues the center of their politics again and stop screaming that we're seconds away from the Fascist States of America, regular people will take them a lot more seriously.
 
PainInTheAnes said:
Liberals overestimate just how much any of the bottom 95% of the income brackets care about ICE mistakenly arresting and then releasing someone.

Look around you, it's beautiful outside in 3/4 of the country this week. No one cares about some random person in LA getting an injustice done to them. The real injustice there is the housing costs and regulations, which no one here seems nearly as outraged by, and the government has far more control over.

Sorry to deflect but there are so many nothingburgers discussed here that no one cares about except the chronically online with a neuralink hooked to CNN, MSNBC, and Pod Save America.

When liberal pundits make real issues the center of their politics again and stop screaming that we're seconds away from the Fascist States of America, regular people will take them a lot more seriously.
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Just like conservatives vastly over estimate the utility and benefits of owning a gun and go ape **** every time someone tries to pass some common sense reforms
 
Today is a beautiful day. June 14 was also a beautiful day.


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Why is the pOTUS allowed to unilaterally wage war without Congress when we weren't attacked? I know the constitution only matters when it pertains to far right social issues but I believe there is some kind of process that exists that requires congress to authorize the use of our war machinery against another nation state yes?
 
chessknt said:
Why is the pOTUS allowed to unilaterally wage war without Congress when we weren't attacked? I know the constitution only matters when it pertains to far right social issues but I believe there is some kind of process that exists that requires congress to authorize the use of our war machinery against another nation state yes?
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War vs military action. It’s been debated forever. But what president in recent history hasn’t conducted military action without congressional approval?
 
chessknt said:
Why is the pOTUS allowed to unilaterally wage war without Congress when we weren't attacked? I know the constitution only matters when it pertains to far right social issues but I believe there is some kind of process that exists that requires congress to authorize the use of our war machinery against another nation state yes?
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That ship has sailed. Bush/Obama/Biden did it.
 
Splenda88 said:
Another stupid war.
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Depends on why they did this.

Would it be unreasonable to think that they actually were close to a nuke and had real intention to use it? I have to imagine Russia and china were informed on this since Iran is a sort of kind of ally with them.

I would bet there isn’t a single country on earth that wants a 7th century theocracy to have a nuclear weapon.

If the WMD story doesn’t add up then we’ll have to see how upset china and Russia get at a strike with no reasoning.

Will be watching closely!
 
PainInTheAnes said:
Depends on why they did this.

Would it be unreasonable to think that they actually were close to a nuke and had real intention to use it? I have to imagine Russia and china were informed on this since Iran is a sort of kind of ally with them.

I would bet there isn’t a single country on earth that wants a 7th century theocracy to have a nuclear weapon.

If the WMD story doesn’t add up then we’ll have to see how upset china and Russia get at a strike with no reasoning.

Will be watching closely!
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It would be since our intelligence said 2 months ago they have enriched 60% uranium but they have not made the decision to have a bomb.

No country would use WMD to attack the US. We all know that. We are fighting a war for Israel. Don't pretend that Iran would attack the US if they had a bomb.
 
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Splenda88 said:
Another stupid war.
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Wars stimulate economies (artificially). That’s the reason fdr kept getting re elected.

The reason bush 43 started the Iraq war on false pretenses as well.

Trump is trying to do something.
 
aneftp said:
Wars stimulate economies (artificially). That’s the reason fdr kept getting re elected.

The reason bush 43 started the Iraq war on false pretenses as well.

Trump is trying to do something.
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What is he trying to do?
 
PainInTheAnes said:
Depends on why they did this.

Would it be unreasonable to think that they actually were close to a nuke and had real intention to use it? I have to imagine Russia and china were informed on this since Iran is a sort of kind of ally with them.

I would bet there isn’t a single country on earth that wants a 7th century theocracy to have a nuclear weapon.

If the WMD story doesn’t add up then we’ll have to see how upset china and Russia get at a strike with no reasoning.

Will be watching closely!
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Intention to get a nuke? Maybe. Probably

Close to getting one? Maybe

Actually intended to use one? Wouldnt be useful against the US. However, given that religions penchant for suicidal attacks..never know

They could just not develop one and avoid the hassle.
 
Splenda88 said:
What is he trying to do?
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I have tons of Persian friends especially out west. Some in Florida I met also.

Anyways most younger folks on this message do not understand Iran was a close USA ally. The shah got sick and was dying and that’s when the revolution took place.

Trump is trying to destabilized Iran. Many Iranians consider themselves aryan and not middle eastern as people here think they are. It’s very complex. .
 
aneftp said:
I have tons of Persian friends especially out west. Some in Florida I met also.

Anyways most younger folks on this message do not understand Iran was a close USA ally. The shah got sick and was dying and that’s when the revolution took place.

Trump is trying to destabilized Iran. Many Iranians consider themselves aryan and not middle eastern as people here think they are. It’s very complex. .
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Is that a good thing?

Well, Europe should be prepared to have a flood a refugees at their doorsteps if everything blows up in our face.
 
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Splenda88 said:
It would be since our intelligence said 2 months ago they have enriched 60% uranium but they have not made the decision to have a bomb.

No country would use WMD to attack the US. We all know that. We are fighting a war for Israel. Don't pretend that Iran would attack the US if they had a bomb.
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I think a nuclear attack on Israel carries a lot of risk for a world ending conflict, I don’t mind the idea of getting ahead of that possibility. I do not think USA is at risk of being attacked, neither terrorist nor conventional ways
 
PainInTheAnes said:
I think a nuclear attack on Israel carries a lot of risk for a world ending conflict, I don’t mind the idea of getting ahead of that possibility. I do not think USA is at risk of being attacked, neither terrorist nor conventional ways
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PainInTheAnes said:
I’m saying that I’ll wait for the police/ICE report and actual news coverage before I start my escape from the US plan. Not take the word of some aggrieved activist
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I just don’t get why you’d take the word of nameless, faceless government stooges over that of an “aggrieved activist.”
 
I'm not knowledgeable about this stuff but I'm not really seeing what the upside here is. Iran knew the attacks were coming so the sites were evacuated. Based on OSINT, it's extremely unlikely the bombs did anything more than superficial damage to these sites anyways. They may block the strait of Hormuz which will lead to an oil crisis. Current reporting suggests that they don't have a nuke and were not developing nukes either. Also, it would be my feeling that this attack would make Iran prioritize getting nukes even more, while deprioritizing diplomacy.
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Ezekiel2517 said:
I'm not knowledgeable about this stuff but I'm not really seeing what the upside here is. Iran knew the attacks were coming so the sites were evacuated. Based on OSINT, it's extremely unlikely the bombs did anything more than superficial damage to these sites anyways. They may block the strait of Hormuz which will lead to an oil crisis. Current reporting suggests that they don't have a nuke and were not developing nukes either. Also, it would be my feeling that this attack would make Iran prioritize getting nukes even more, while deprioritizing diplomacy. View attachment 405485
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The art of the deal.
 
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I have a hard time believing that all the reporting around this is complete lies.

If it is, then why would you trust people who said they weren’t making progress on this instead? Why is their info more accurate to you?

I’m struggling to get why anyone should trust a repressive, non democratic, America hating theocracy that has kidnapped Americans just for being American on anything either.

I mean geez, they’ve got the western liberals convinced that there’s a “genocide” in Gaza for the past 80 years, while the population in Gaza has like quadrupled in that period. I never could figure that out.

Maybe everyone does live in their own ecosystem of facts now. Weird time to watch the news.
 
PainInTheAnes said:
I have a hard time believing that all the reporting around this is complete lies.

If it is, then why would you trust people who said they weren’t making progress on this instead? Why is their info more accurate to you?

I’m struggling to get why anyone should trust a repressive, non democratic, America hating theocracy that has kidnapped Americans just for being American on anything either.

I mean geez, they’ve got the western liberals convinced that there’s a “genocide” in Gaza for the past 80 years, while the population in Gaza has like quadrupled in that period. I never could figure that out.

Maybe everyone does live in their own ecosystem of facts now. Weird time to watch the news.
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I think they have been on the verge but much like Charlie Brown always has been on the verge of kicking the football, Lucy Netanyahu yanks it away at the last second.

I definitely do not want the current government of Iran to have nuclear weapons. Not because I think they will use them; they will gift them to someone who wants to martyr themselves in a big way.
 
PainInTheAnes said:
I have a hard time believing that all the reporting around this is complete lies.

If it is, then why would you trust people who said they weren’t making progress on this instead? Why is their info more accurate to you?

I’m struggling to get why anyone should trust a repressive, non democratic, America hating theocracy that has kidnapped Americans just for being American on anything either.

I mean geez, they’ve got the western liberals convinced that there’s a “genocide” in Gaza for the past 80 years, while the population in Gaza has like quadrupled in that period. I never could figure that out.

Maybe everyone does live in their own ecosystem of facts now. Weird time to watch the news.
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There hasn’t been a genocide in Gaza for 80 years. How ridiculous. There is one now though. What’s Israel’s plan for Gaza (land that isn’t theirs!!)? Now it’s occupation apparently. How about the West Bank? More settlements. Israel’s plan is absolutely clear and I have no idea why anyone would dispute it - expand their borders. The big questions is what are they gonna do with all of those dirty Palestinians? They’re absolutely trapped and at Israels mercy. The world has woken up to the ugliness of Israel and they’ve done so while Israel continues to not allow foreign journalists into Gaza because Israel doesn’t want the atrocities documented. Why you defend them is a mystery. Israeli life and Israeli land must be more important to you than Palestinian.

I’ll likely get labeled an anti-Semite bc that’s par for the course these days when someone disagrees with Israeli foreign policy. I guess Jewish people who disagree with Israeli foreign policy and the treatment of Palestinians are also anti-semites. How bewildering.

I don’t need to trust the government of Iran who is an awful repressive government that would absolutely kill Americans given the opportunity. Can I not trust American spy intelligence? The word of DNI Gabbard (who has OF COURSE backtracked - she should resign)? How about the word of IAEA inspectors? How about the fact that Iran signed the NPT?

Israel can’t be the only country in the Middle East with a nuke. Either they all get rid of them or Israel continually bombs countries when they determine ‘they’re close’ and get rightfully labeled as a warmonger. And at some point WWIII will break out.
 
PainInTheAnes said:
I have a hard time believing that all the reporting around this is complete lies.

If it is, then why would you trust people who said they weren’t making progress on this instead? Why is their info more accurate to you?

I’m struggling to get why anyone should trust a repressive, non democratic, America hating theocracy that has kidnapped Americans just for being American on anything either.

I mean geez, they’ve got the western liberals convinced that there’s a “genocide” in Gaza for the past 80 years, while the population in Gaza has like quadrupled in that period. I never could figure that out.

Maybe everyone does live in their own ecosystem of facts now. Weird time to watch the news.
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Because they actually were complying with all the terms of Obama agreement with inspections. It is not realistic to tell them they are to be humiliated and “completely surrender”. There is a long history of distrust. We helped overthrow their democratically elected leader in Mossadegh mainly because he was pro nationalizing their oil away from foreign companies and supported the dictator Shah. His brutal oppression led to the theocracy now in power. We are not just neutral good guys. If we are serious about not letting them have nuclear bombs, then it takes a process of building trust and deescalation. Iran complied with all the terms and the US (Trump) trashed it. Now the US, without any congressional authority of a declared war, bombed a sovereign nation. Is it a huge stretch to see why this could destabilize the situation even more? Netanyahu has always been beating the war drum and that will never deescalate this.
 
aneftp said:
Wars stimulate economies (artificially). That’s the reason fdr kept getting re elected.

The reason bush 43 started the Iraq war on false pretenses as well.

Trump is trying to do something.
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It's incredible that in this day and age of limitless information, with the sum of all human knowledge available on everybody's phone, that there are people who still earnestly believe the broken window fallacy.
 
PainInTheAnes said:
I think a nuclear attack on Israel carries a lot of risk for a world ending conflict, I don’t mind the idea of getting ahead of that possibility. I do not think USA is at risk of being attacked, neither terrorist nor conventional ways
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Israel-ending, sure. And an ending for the country that nuked them, or was believed to have nuked them.

I hardly see Russia, the USA, and China emptying the silos over it at each other, though.

Again, I think the only plausible nuclear risk to the USA is a Pakistani bomb falling into the hands of some true believers.


This was a dumb decision by Trump, in a long line of dumb decisions. Here we are, 6 months into his presidency. For the first few months you (collective "you" i.e. SDN Trump voters and apologists) earnestly demanded we "let him cook" because he had a mandate from the people. Well, he's cooking. Russia-Ukraine is as bad as ever, Israel-Gaza is as bad as ever, and now we're attacking Iran. Economic chaos from tariffs, no deals in sight. Despite having control of both the House and Senate, and a 6-3 SCOTUS majority to backstop their legislative work, his Big Beautiful Bill is an absolute deficit-exploding mess that hasn't gone anywhere. But b-b-b-but-Biden and Kamala were warmongers!

But hey, at least you guys got the border closed and deportations going, right? Are you tired of winning yet?
 
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