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Abc pulled kimmel because the FCC threatened Disney. Then republicans as well as Dems came out and blasted the FCC for suppression of free speech. Then ABC brought him back.

If ABC didn't like Kimmel, then they wouldn't have brought him back (like Gina carano, or schilling)

Its really not hard
It’s different culture
2016 vs 2025

And I will use ur own words …the fcc never formally put a notice to pull abc license.

Just like no criminal charges ever filed against Biden family. Only threats of it.

So the Feds never did anything to abc formally.

You are just suggesting theoretical that the feds pull the license and we will never know like u mention the Biden crimes
 
It’s different culture
2016 vs 2025

And I will use ur own words …the fcc never formally put a notice to pull abc license.

Just like no criminal charges ever filed against Biden family. Only threats of it.

So the Feds never did anything to abc formally.

You are just suggesting theoretical that the feds pull the license and we will never know like u mention the Biden crimes
Fcc literally came out and threatened (unheard of) and Trump supported it. Republicans came out against the fcc.

Thats a lot of noise for a fake threat. But remember, the true threat was the FCC not approving the merger. They just used the license as a smokescreen

Again, its apparent to everyone, except you.

ABC suddenly had a change of heart right after Republicans supported their right to free speech. If ABC didn't like Kimmel, it wouldn't have changed
 
Fcc literally came out and threatened (unheard of) and Trump supported it. Republicans came out against the fcc.

Thats a lot of noise for a fake threat. But remember, the true threat was the FCC not approving the merger. They just used the license as a smokescreen

Again, its apparent to everyone, except you.

ABC suddenly had a change of heart right after Republicans supported their right to free speech. If ABC didn't like Kimmel, it wouldn't have changed
Where is the formal notice to withdraw abc license? Nope. Don’t see it.

Just like u said for me to show criminal charges against the Biden family. Nope. Don’t see anything.

Like u told me. It’s all in theory. Show me the notice to pull the license.

And irs funny u say it’s apparent to everyone except me what’s trump is doing with the fcc

when it’s apparent to everyone except u what Biden did with his pardons of his family.

Becuase now. I’m just playing stupid as u play stupid. How the tables have turned.
 
Where is the formal notice to withdraw abc license? Nope. Don’t see it.

Just like u said for me to show criminal charges against the Biden family. Nope. Don’t see anything.

Like u told me. It’s all in theory. Show me the notice to pull the license.

And irs funny u say it’s apparent to everyone except me what’s trump is doing with the fcc

when it’s apparent to everyone except u what Biden did with his pardons of his family.

Becuase now. I’m just playing stupid as u play stupid. How the tables have turned.
No wonder multiple people on this board accuse you of being a bot. You seem to fail to grasp the nuances. Which explains why your comparative examples are usually way off.

I just wont respond anymore. Its not interesting
 
No wonder multiple people on this board accuse you of being a bot. You seem to fail to grasp the nuances. Which explains why your comparative examples are usually way off.

I just wont respond anymore. Its not interesting
Becuase I proved my point well and clear. You just choose to play ignorant to principals of talking points I make and you know I’m right on this particular subject matter. Throwing your exact same words right back at you. When your words are used against you and you don’t find it interesting anymore. I’ve proven my point.

If I’m a bot. Why do I meet up with people on these messages boards in real life.
 
He did a pretty good job inciting the violence on jan 6.

That’s debatable since he wasn’t convicted on any incitement charge. One man’s incitement is another man’s hyperbole.

But hey, sounds like you think that leaders have no influence on the actions of their followers and their supposed enemies. That would contrary to all of human history.

But your viewpoint is an example of why stochastic violence works. Trump uses hateful language that's vague enough that it gives him (and his maga defenders) plausible deniability but at the same times, serves to embolden and enrage.

Sure leaders influence action, like get rational people to vote, donate, or volunteer. Rational people don’t assassinate their political rivals because the TV told them to. Crazy people always going to be crazy.

Ya, Trump isnt Charles Manson’ing his way through his presidency. Trump’s “stochastic violence” sounds like a convenient scapegoat to justify the current political climate. That should be evident in the lefts response to Kirk’s assassination. Masses cheering his demise based on a few misquoted and often taken out of context comments interpreted as “racism” and “hate” that never existed. The same thing is largely done with Trump. Stochastic violence propagated in extremist social media echo chambers is exponentially more destructive than the words coming out of Trumps mouth.
 
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Trump is vile.

We've all known that for more than a decade. Some people just don't care.

He's delighted Kirk is dead. It's a media distraction from him and Epstein, his criminal activity, his economic failures, his foreign policy failures, the dark side of his immigration policy failures (actually touted to be "success" by the newspeak crowd), and most important it's fuel for him to rile up his base and stoke the fires some more.
You’ve really changed. You are going off the deep end.

You are openly demonizing political opponents. You want us to believe that the president is happy that the person who got him elected is dead? Project much? And I shouldn’t believe that the left is happy about his death, right? Even though 1000s of videos of the left, podcasters, hosts and journalists saying so. This is prime “accuse the other side of what you are doing”.
 
Trump at Kirks funeral

He did not hate his opponents. He wanted the best for them. That’s where I disagreed with Charlie. I hate my opponent, and I don't want the best for them. I'm sorry. I am sorry, Erika. But now Erika can talk to me and the whole group, and maybe they can convince me that that's not right, but I can't stand my opponent."

Encouraging peace and love for his fellow man? Just the type of stuff people should hear when the nation should be trying to unite
That is what Trump said. That is probably what 99% of people would say especially after their opponent murdered their friend. Which is why it was more powerful that his wife forgave the killer. She was amazing and they should have ended the funeral after her speech. Her and her husband are amazing people. The left attacking them damages the left more than it damages them. Please continue doing so
 
Wait, ppl still listen to Benny Johnson? Wasn’t he found to be Russian mouthpiece and paid directly by RT?
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Personally, I’ve always found him to be lite version from the brief bits I’ve seen him or his posts. But he was good last night. Erika was best. Ben Carson and whoever was Charlie’s spiritual mentor were also great.
 
The left is at a crossroads in American politics. The tide can change quickly.

The republicans were left scrambling after November 2012 when a much more mild manner mitt Romney lose to Obama. Obama destroyed Romney on the Latino vote, the youth vote and obviously the black voters. By a whopping 44 points.

Republicans thought they won’t get those voters back. Like forever. So did the democrats. Who took these voters for granted.

Fast forward to Trump. Trump reinvents himself. He got the youth voters back. He got the majority Hispanic male voter and overall Hispanics voting population close to 45%. He increased the black voters especially the black males. He doubled his black voters support by almost 100% from 2020 to 2024 (8% to 15% support)

The republican party’s is more and more inclusive. Which democrats would find shocking.
 
Eh. His comments were reported everywhere


But as i said, his hateful comments will tend to cause thoughts of retribution from the radical left and further embolden the radical right.

If you are as concerned as about political violence as you say, then you should be concerned about the president making provocative comments like this
Yes bc words are violence. Silence is also violence. But the assaults, burning, riots and murder is not violence. You have to be consistent with your condemnation

Plus, much to hate Trump for over the years but those comments were more of a joke and attempt at levity. And self deprecating (as much as he ever could be). If you watched last nights church service, hymns and forgiveness then walk away saying how hateful it is- you may be the problem.
 
You ... think ... the only place comments made by the President Of The United States are talked about is far left Reddit, and here? C'mon.

It was nice to see the rest of the event was less, well, bitter.

I'll give Charlie Kirk some credit - he freely and politely talked to people with opposing viewpoints, in public, in their own communities. He was probably among the best of what the right had to offer, a stark contrast to Trump and his MAGA cult. He said some repugnant **** as rhetorical devices and to stir up his followers, but whatever else he believed, he believed in free exchange of ideas and arguing with people. I can respect that.
Genuinely…Please point me to someone on the left that is more openly engaging and polite. I will happily listen.

PS- “less bitter”. That was tons of grace and forgiveness. Give ppl their due
 
Abc pulled kimmel because the FCC threatened Disney. Then republicans as well as Dems came out and blasted the FCC for suppression of free speech. Then ABC brought him back.

If ABC didn't like Kimmel, then they wouldn't have brought him back (like Gina carano, or schilling)

Its really not hard
You sir have lost it. You said ABC was forced to get rid of him. Despite what they said themselves, you just knew it. And there was nothing ABC could do about it. Lo and behold he is coming back. And it is the exact opposite of what you said. But you find that this even further supports your made up narrative.

Literally anything can happen and you will spin it to support your false narrative. This is how I know your conversion is genuinely and truly complete.
 
That’s debatable since he wasn’t convicted on any incitement charge. One man’s incitement is another man’s hyperbole.



Sure leaders influence action, like get rational people to vote, donate, or volunteer. Rational people don’t assassinate their political rivals because the TV told them to. Crazy people always going to be crazy.

Ya, Trump isnt Charles Manson’ing his way through his presidency. Trump’s “stochastic violence” sounds like a convenient scapegoat to justify the current political climate. That should be evident in the lefts response to Kirk’s assassination. Masses cheering his demise based on a few misquoted and often taken out of context comments interpreted as “racism” and “hate” that never existed. The same thing is largely done with Trump. Stochastic violence propagated in extremist social media echo chambers is exponentially more destructive than the words coming out of Trumps mouth.
Hard to convict someone on an incitement charge when they use generic language. But its clearly effective and experts have known that for years..hence jan 6. Mere coincidence that jan 6 happened right after a Trump speech? What a coincidence eh?

Or, more realistically, the far right crazies were inspired by his words.

So you think Trumps words will encourage far right radicals...to go out and vote? Is that what they discuss at white supremacist meetings and the radical right depths of Discord? Voter turnout?? Please

Kirk was widely known for his provocative speech...it earned him alot of money. And thats exactly what that type of speech does..its provocative and inflammatory. Radicals on both sides aren't interested in diving deep into the context and debating over the nuances of the words Trump and Kirk use. They are often unstable and angry people.

If leadership was all about peace and love and acceptance of everyone, then its pretty hard for a crazy person to misinterpret that. But when you talk about fringe conspiracy theories, replacement theory, "my opponent", "someone should be a hero" and bail out the man who assaulted Pelosis husband..it stokes violence and hate from both sides.

Whether Trump intends to do it or not, does not relieve him of the responsibility for his words.
 
Only minutes before Erika Kirk took the stage and forgave her husband’s killer in front of a national audience. Probably the biggest and most graceful move she could have made to unite rather than divide. NOTHING in the Charlie Kirk memorial sans maybe a one liner from Trump did anything to sow division or discord.
I take it you didn't see Stephen Miller if you thought that or are you so deep in the right wing media you didn't pick up on his Hitler-esque dehumanization of the proverbial enemies Trump references?

I notice you like to fixate on her comments as the theme of the memorial yet she invited these people to speak there and has yet to repudiate what they said so I would actually assume implicit agreement with their comments instead of benevolence as you are.
 
You sir have lost it. You said ABC was forced to get rid of him. Despite what they said themselves, you just knew it. And there was nothing ABC could do about it. Lo and behold he is coming back. And it is the exact opposite of what you said. But you find that this even further supports your made up narrative.

Literally anything can happen and you will spin it to support your false narrative. This is how I know your conversion is genuinely and truly complete.
You said he was cancelled because he violated the FCC. Now suddenly 3 days later, he didn't violate the law anymore?

Its easy. Trump used the FCC to threaten ABC. It backfired and Republicans stood up for free speech (they openly said that the FCC shouldn't be used to target free speech). So Trump had to back down.

ABC never wanted to cancel him. If they did, he would still be cancelled!! Now ABC is more confident that their merger will go through since Trump backed down and the public supports ABCs right to free speech
 
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Genuinely…Please point me to someone on the left that is more openly engaging and polite. I will happily listen.

PS- “less bitter”. That was tons of grace and forgiveness. Give ppl their due
Miller directed much of his speech to the enemy camp. “And to those trying to incite violence against us, those trying to foment hatred against us,” he said, “what do you have? You have nothing. You are nothing. You are wickedness. You are jealousy. You are envy. You are hatred. You are nothing. You can build nothing. You can produce nothing. You can create nothing.” In case any member of the audience had dozed off, which seems unlikely given the volume at which he spoke, Miller reiterated the point a few sentences later: “And what will you leave behind? Nothing. Nothing. To our enemies, you have nothing to give. You have nothing to offer. You have nothing to share but bitterness.”

Lots of grace and forgiveness in there eh? Lol.

So, if a far right radical listens to this..who do you think he will see as the enemy? They will see anyone who doesnt share their beliefs as the enemy. If a far left radical listens to this..you dont think they would be inspired to retaliate after being called wicked, envious, bitter and an enemy?

This is what stochastic violence sounds like
 
You said he was cancelled because he violated the FCC. Now suddenly 3 days later, he didn't violate the law anymore?

Its easy. Trump used the FCC to threaten ABC. It backfired and Republicans stood up for free speech (they openly said that the FCC shouldn't be used to target free speech). So Trump had to back down.

ABC never wanted to cancel him. If they did, he would still be cancelled!! Now ABC is more confident that their merger will go through since Trump backed down and the public supports ABCs right to free speech
You are slippin. Everyone that read your posts isn’t buying your lies. You can eat humble pie or be seen as a dishonest liar. Frankly you were warned you were jumping to conclusions but you disagreed. You doubled down and cited unnamed reports. Now you are exposed

Your supposition is the dictator, hitleresque Trump is backing down bc he was told no? You are coming apart at the seams. Just bc the party is taking on water doesn’t mean you have to go down with the ship. I think you can be intelligent akin to Bill Maher and keep certain points but eschew the crazier ones.
 
ard to convict someone on an incitement charge when they use generic language. But its clearly effective and experts have known that for years..hence jan 6. Mere coincidence that jan 6 happened right after a Trump speech? What a coincidence eh?


Jan 6 was planned out by extremist groups and social media long before Trump spoke. There was nothing coincidental about it at all. Again shows how these outlets plan a much greater roll in stochastic violence than anything that comes out of Trumps mouth.


Kirk was widely known for his provocative speech...it earned him alot of money. And thats exactly what that type of speech does..it’s provocative and inflammatory. Radicals on both sides aren't interested in diving deep into the context and debating over the nuances of the words Trump and Kirk use. They are often unstable and angry people.

If leadership was all about peace and love and acceptance of everyone, then it’s pretty hard for a crazy person to misinterpret that. But when you talk about fringe conspiracy theories, replacement theory, "my opponent", "someone should be a hero" and bail out the man who assaulted Pelosis husband..it stokes violence and hate from both sides.


Nah. In the same vein, if “leadership” was all about hate, that would be hard for a crazy a crazy person to misinterpret as well. I think you are grasping at straws here as well as pointing out a main criticism of the problem of how subjective words that supposedly stoke violence and hate can be. Just because you want it to be offensive and claim it’s provocative and violent, doesn’t mean most people would agree, especially in Kirk’s case when most of that speech comes in the form of an open conversation with the opposing viewpoint. It just gives an excuse to use any speech you don’t agree with to justify violence towards, or cancel, etc., the people you disagree with


Whether Trump intends to do it or not, does not relieve him of the responsibility for his words.

Again, the law would disagree with you, as intent is part of the high bar that would make Trump responsible for his words. But, regardless of what Trump says, it doesn’t relieve those that commit political violence of the much lower legal bar of being responsible for their actions.
 
Miller directed much of his speech to the enemy camp. “And to those trying to incite violence against us, those trying to foment hatred against us,” he said, “what do you have? You have nothing. You are nothing. You are wickedness. You are jealousy. You are envy. You are hatred. You are nothing. You can build nothing. You can produce nothing. You can create nothing.” In case any member of the audience had dozed off, which seems unlikely given the volume at which he spoke, Miller reiterated the point a few sentences later: “And what will you leave behind? Nothing. Nothing. To our enemies, you have nothing to give. You have nothing to offer. You have nothing to share but bitterness.”

Lots of grace and forgiveness in there eh? Lol.

So, if a far right radical listens to this..who do you think he will see as the enemy? They will see anyone who doesnt share their beliefs as the enemy. If a far left radical listens to this..you dont think they would be inspired to retaliate after being called wicked, envious, bitter and an enemy?

This is what stochastic violence sounds like
I asked genuinely: “Please point me to someone on the left that is more openly engaging and polite. I will happily listen.”

I’m not sure what your answer above was but I’m waiting if you know of anyone.

(PS- you are advocating that nonviolent ppl change their speech so that violent ppl won’t be as violent. I think the real issue is ppl aren’t able to handle truth and diversity of thought)
 
I take it you didn't see Stephen Miller if you thought that or are you so deep in the right wing media you didn't pick up on his Hitler-esque dehumanization of the proverbial enemies Trump references?

I notice you like to fixate on her comments as the theme of the memorial yet she invited these people to speak there and has yet to repudiate what they said so I would actually assume implicit agreement with their comments instead of benevolence as you are.

Miller directed much of his speech to the enemy camp. “And to those trying to incite violence against us, those trying to foment hatred against us,” he said, “what do you have? You have nothing. You are nothing. You are wickedness. You are jealousy. You are envy. You are hatred. You are nothing. You can build nothing. You can produce nothing. You can create nothing.” In case any member of the audience had dozed off, which seems unlikely given the volume at which he spoke, Miller reiterated the point a few sentences later: “And what will you leave behind? Nothing. Nothing. To our enemies, you have nothing to give. You have nothing to offer. You have nothing to share but bitterness.”

Lots of grace and forgiveness in there eh? Lol.

So, if a far right radical listens to this..who do you think he will see as the enemy? They will see anyone who doesnt share their beliefs as the enemy. If a far left radical listens to this..you dont think they would be inspired to retaliate after being called wicked, envious, bitter and an enemy?

This is what stochastic violence sounds like


You guys are either so soft you shouldn’t leave the house without bubble wrapping your cranium, or you are being completely disingenuous. Anything I don’t agree with is stochastic terrorism! If you see this as stochastic violence, you are the far left radicals my friends.
 
Becuase I proved my point well and clear. You just choose to play ignorant to principals of talking points I make and you know I’m right on this particular subject matter. Throwing your exact same words right back at you. When your words are used against you and you don’t find it interesting anymore. I’ve proven my point.

If I’m a bot. Why do I meet up with people on these messages boards in real life.

Naw. You're not worth the effort. 90% of your response to my post was BS, my time is finite and the effort is would take to work through your post with an intelligent response explaining nuances you won't appreciate is futile.
 
Jan 6 was planned out by extremist groups and social media long before Trump spoke. There was nothing coincidental about it at all. Again shows how these outlets plan a much greater roll in stochastic violence than anything that comes out of Trumps mouth.





Nah. In the same vein, if “leadership” was all about hate, that would be hard for a crazy a crazy person to misinterpret as well. I think you are grasping at straws here as well as pointing out a main criticism of the problem of how subjective words that supposedly stoke violence and hate can be. Just because you want it to be offensive and claim it’s provocative and violent, doesn’t mean most people would agree, especially in Kirk’s case when most of that speech comes in the form of an open conversation with the opposing viewpoint. It just gives an excuse to use any speech you don’t agree with to justify violence towards, or cancel, etc., the people you disagree with




Again, the law would disagree with you, as intent is part of the high bar that would make Trump responsible for his words. But, regardless of what Trump says, it doesn’t relieve those that commit political violence of the much lower legal bar of being responsible for their actions.
Has someonenever been convicted of stochastic violence? Is that a crime?

Jan was planned out in response to the stop the steal, election fraud nonsense conspiracy..championed by..your buddy DJT. Typical example of stochastic violence..textbook in fact.
 

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You are slippin. Everyone that read your posts isn’t buying your lies. You can eat humble pie or be seen as a dishonest liar. Frankly you were warned you were jumping to conclusions but you disagreed. You doubled down and cited unnamed reports. Now you are exposed

Your supposition is the dictator, hitleresque Trump is backing down bc he was told no? You are coming apart at the seams. Just bc the party is taking on water doesn’t mean you have to go down with the ship. I think you can be intelligent akin to Bill Maher and keep certain points but eschew the crazier ones.
Lol.

No facts or logical arguments in there at all. Just lots of feels
 
I think ABC brought Kimmel back because of litigation he might bring for wrongful termination and 1st ammendment violations. I understand his contract is up in Jan. Might be cheaper to keep him and just non renew his contract. They dont need cause for that and Kimmel would have few options for a lawsuit.
 
I thought the firework effects at Charlie Kirk's memorial service were well done.

Really helped capture the somber nature of the event when his grieving wife came out to pyrotechnics.

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Personally, I’ve always found him to be lite version from the brief bits I’ve seen him or his posts. But he was good last night. Erika was best. Ben Carson and whoever was Charlie’s spiritual mentor were also great.
It’s Ad hominem
And that wasn’t the point
 
Lol.

No facts or logical arguments in there at all. Just lots of feels
FYI- You are difficult to talk to bc you change statements then you want the person to reply to your altered statements. Very disingenuous. It is not working towards common ground. Your goal seems to be to waste the other persons time with these alterations until they stop replying. I’m not sure if it is knowingly, but you use Saul Alinsky’s rules/tactics repeatedly.
 
I thought the firework effects at Charlie Kirk's memorial service were well done.

Really helped capture the somber nature of the event when his grieving wife came out to pyrotechnics.

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I think her shoe selection disproves their cause as well.

It is apparently something Charlie/TPUSA did. Not that you truly care.

If that bothers you, you are going to be appalled at some of the stuff they do on the left
 
I think her shoe selection disproves their cause as well.

It is apparently something Charlie/TPUSA did. Not that you truly care.

If that bothers you, you are going to be appalled at some of the stuff they do on the left

Not bothered at all.

It's just like any other spectacle.
 
I think… if your take away from a 10 hour memorial, where the grieving wife forgives the killer, is OMG Trump!… C’mon.
It's on brand for him to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, and to taint everything he touches.

It's remarkable that you're bewildered and confused that he did this.

I didn't watch the memorial. Just listened to the segment in which my president spoke. Maybe if they didn't want him to be the headline, they shouldn't have invited him. They know what he is, too.
 
Has someonenever been convicted of stochastic violence? Is that a crime?

That’s kind of the point. It’s a vague sort of can’t prove or can’t disprove it concept that is easily corrupted and overused to the point it doesn’t really mean anything other than an expedient label for any type of speech one doesn’t agree with while failing to hold individuals accountable for their own actions.


Jan was planned out in response to the stop the steal, election fraud nonsense conspiracy..championed by..your buddy DJT. Typical example of stochastic violence..textbook in fact.


See if you would have stopped there you would have a little bit of an argument of a single instance that points toward “stochastic terrorism”. Then you tried to paint Charlie Kirk with the same broad brush and the argument falls apart.
 
t's on brand for him to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, and to taint everything he touches.

It's remarkable that you're bewildered and confused that he did this.

Not confused, bewildered, or surprised at all. Not at Trumps comments. And definitely not at the lefts presumptive response.

I’m also not really sure what he tainted (this time). Even you would have to admit his comments were fairly benign compared to a lot of the stuff that comes out of his mouth. Pretty weak example of promoting violence
 
I thought the firework effects at Charlie Kirk's memorial service were well done.

Really helped capture the somber nature of the event when his grieving wife came out to pyrotechnics.

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Omg can you believe it!! And that outfit! They had live music too! And people were having a good time! Not one single traditional Latin sermon! My grade school catholic nuns are rolling in their graves, rulers in hands!
 
Omg can you believe it!! They had live music too! And people were having a good time! Not one single traditional Latin sermon! My grade school catholic nuns are rolling in their graves, rulers in hands!

For sure. It was a lively affair with excellent performances. Good spectacle. Like a Kid Rock concert, campaign rally or WWE event. I think the crowd left happy.
 
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For sure. It was a lively affair with excellent performances. Good spectacle. Like a Kid Rock concert, campaign rally or WWE event. I think the crowd left happy, not sure if there was an encore.


Sometimes you have to take a step back man and say what the h*ll am I even going on about. This is one of those times.
 
Sometimes you have to take a step back man and say what the h*ll am I even going on about. This is one of those times.

Jokes man, humor is legal again thanks to Trump.

I can't cheapen the event more than they did.

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What campaign rally memorial wouldn't be complete without digressions on tariffs, autism, and crime in DC.
 
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Genuinely…Please point me to someone on the left that is more openly engaging and polite. I will happily listen.

Compared to who?

Trump? Virtually everyone.

Kirk? Not many. As I've said many times, he was an excellent representative for conservatives. He deserves great credit for going TO people who disagree with him, in public, in their own communities, for the purpose of talking to them.

I don't agree with everything he said (brace yourself now ... there some things I actually do), but I've no real quarrel with him.

PS- “less bitter”. That was tons of grace and forgiveness. Give ppl their due
Absolutely.

I understand the rest of the day, apart from Trump being Trump, was different.

Its too bad they invited him.
 

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They, in essence, blamed the mothers (and doctors) for their children’s autism based on flawed studies so they could have the definitive cause they promised.

Yeah but... could have been worse right?

I wonder how many compromises had to be made to get this BS.

Low expectations.
 
That’s kind of the point. It’s a vague sort of can’t prove or can’t disprove it concept that is easily corrupted and overused to the point it doesn’t really mean anything other than an expedient label for any type of speech one doesn’t agree with while failing to hold individuals accountable for their own actions.





See if you would have stopped there you would have a little bit of an argument of a single instance that points toward “stochastic terrorism”. Then you tried to paint Charlie Kirk with the same broad brush and the argument falls apart.
Thats exactly why its effective! Its vague enough where the speaker avoids direct blame. But its easily corrupted by radicals on both sides and serves as motivation for violence from them.

For example, Kirk was a proponent of the nonsense Great replacement theory. Did he invent it? No. Did he tell any specific person to commit a specific act of violence related to it? No. But he certainly talked about it and promoted it. So when the Buffalo shooter cited it in his manifesto as a reason for the grocery store shooting of... immigrants...the link is there. Is it 100% his fault? Of course not. But the event is linked to all who created and promoted that theory

Same with jan 6. The jan 6 planners were followers/inspired by the stolen election and election fraud theories. All heavily promoted by Trump and his allies. So the link is there

Another example, would be Trump saying that Haitians were eating people dogs. Placing a target on Haitians specifically, and immigrants generally. Did he advocate for a specific violent act? No. But certainly some wacko could have been inspired by those words.

Now lets look at the definition of stochastic violence

Stochastic violence, more commonly known as stochastic terrorism, refers to the public demonization of a person or group through mass communication, which provokes statistically probable but individually unpredictable acts of violence. The name comes from the statistical term "stochastic," which describes a random variable that can be analyzed statistically but not individually predicted.

Public demonization of a person or group through mass communication? Haitians eating dogs and great replacement theory. Check

Provokes probable but unpredictable violence? Buffalo shooting. Check. Haitians? Over 30 bomb threats called into Springfield schools after his comments...many with anti Haitian messages. Check

Now lets look at some of the characteristics of stochastic violence


Rhetoric from an influential figure: The process begins with a public figure using hostile language that vilifies and dehumanizes a specific person or group. The language is often indirect and uses "plausible deniability" to avoid explicit calls for violence.

Check

Amplification by media: Mass media and social media platforms spread and intensify this rhetoric, fostering a climate of fear and anger among the figure's followers.

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Motivated audience: Some individuals or "lone actors" who are susceptible to radicalization interpret the rhetoric as a green light for violence. Experts argue this is not a coincidence but a statistically predictable outcome of the rhetorical strategy.

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Avoidance of responsibility: After the violence occurs, the instigator can condemn the act or claim it was random, thereby maintaining plausible deniability and avoiding blame.

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So as you can see, the speech patters from Trump and Kirk fit exactly within the definition of stochastic violence. Does it mean its only their fault or all their fault? Of course not. Does it mean they should be victims of violence themselves? Absolutely not. And of course they can say whatever they want

But to deny that their speech is part of the problem, is simply wrong. I didn't invent the term.

And i am sure you could find examples within some far left movements that also fit the bill. Its not unique to the far left or far right...but the far right is far more successful with it
 
Yeah but... could have been worse right?

I wonder how many compromises had to be made to get this BS.

Low expectations.
Worse? I guess.
But imagine you’re a mother of an autistic child. Now you’ve been told this is bc you took acetaminophen while pregnant (even though that’s potentially/likely not true).
Acetaminophen is one of the most well studied medications in pregnancy. It is the only pain reliever and fever reducer that is allowed to be taken and about 2/3 of women take it at some time during their pregnancy.
There is a reason we use the scientific method vs just announcing random unproven theories as fact.
 
Worse? I guess.
But imagine you’re a mother of an autistic child. Now you’ve been told this is bc you took acetaminophen while pregnant (even though that’s potentially/likely not true).
Acetaminophen is one of the most well studied medications in pregnancy. It is the only pain reliever and fever reducer that is allowed to be taken and about 2/3 of women take it at some time during their pregnancy.
There is a reason we use the scientific method vs just announcing random unproven theories as fact.

I'm worried you're under the impression I don't think the Trump administration is callous, dumb, and very willing to mislead America on scientific research.

I was concerned this announcement was going to be unveiling a new anti-vax policy by RFK and MAHA under the guise of the CDC research.
 
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Even you would have to admit his comments were fairly benign compared to a lot of the stuff that comes out of his mouth. Pretty weak example of promoting violence
Sure, on the Trump scale, I'll concede it was more cringy and pathetic than vile. And at least he wasn't wearing a tan suit! 😉

I didn't say he was promoting violence.

I'm not really one to tell people how to grieve. If they filled a stadium for the rally, clearly lot of people felt very moved and affected by the loss.

It's just odd that they made a memorial service into a political rally, and I'm surprised hat you think having the president come and speak like that is normal.

Maybe you're just desensitized to it at this point.
 
I will repeat it concisely. Your premise is: Trump, as unyielding as you have described him, backed off bc republicans told him to?
Sept 15- kimmel spoke about Kirk

On September 17, 2025, FCC Chairman Brendan Carr threatened regulatory action against ABC and its affiliates during an appearance on a conservative podcast.

Later that same day..ABC suspends him. I wonder why they didn't do it before the FCC threat...

Sept 19/21 Republican Senators Cruz and Rand Paul spoke out against the FCC. Said it was inappropriate for the FCC to make threats

Two days later
Sept 22
At the Concordia Summit in New York on Monday morning, Carr denied he had threatened to pull licenses of ABC stations if they did not fire Kimmel. He said that “did not happen in any way, shape or form.”. FCC backs down the day after GOP speak out against them

Sept 23. ABC reinstates him

Seems pretty clear that the FCC threat was the issue. If ABC didn't like Kimmel (and they didn't care about the FCC) then they would have suspended him on the 15th or 16th and would not have reinstated him.

Has Trump suddenly had a change of heart and supports Kimmel? Clearly no.

Now what can the FCC threaten? Well, if as you said, the FCC had a legal ability to suspend ABC license..then that didnt magically change in the last week. Did Trump suddenly change his mind and he likes Kimmel? No. So the FCC, in your world, could still suspend their license.

ABC would always be able to win a free speech case against the government. Its a slam dunk. So they were never worried about it. FCC knows as well, and wouldn't even try. So why worry about the FCC and then suddenly not worry about them? Because now ABC has support from the GOP and the public. And if the FCC stops their merger, then ABC can point to this and say "The FCC decided against us as retaliation and not based on the merits.
 
That is what Trump said. That is probably what 99% of people would say especially after their opponent murdered their friend. Which is why it was more powerful that his wife forgave the killer. She was amazing and they should have ended the funeral after her speech. Her and her husband are amazing people. The left attacking them damages the left more than it damages them. Please continue doing so
Just remember…

The left is the most intolerant group in this country.

They don’t like civil discourse or debate or being open minded.

The left simply cannot understand what being a friend is like or what forgiveness looks like.

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“Notably high proportions of self-identified political liberals told us they’d be willing to sever ties with a friend (Figure 1) or family member (Figure 2) if they thought their political views were “inappropriate.” Specifically, 45% of GenZ liberals and 39% of Millennial liberals told use they’d be willing to sever ties with friends, and over a third of both groups told use they’d be willing to sever ties with family.

By contrast, 10% or less of GenX and of Boomer moderates told us they’d sever close ties with friends or family over politics.”

 
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