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If this Trump-brokered Middle East peace deal really goes through, my hat goes off to him. He finally did something right in his second presidency.
 
Obama got a nobel peace prize 8 months into his presidency for doing nothing

Will leftists meltdown if Trump received one for the israel hamas deal?

Not happening. Obama wasn't sending the military to patrol cities, blowing up boats off the coast of Venezuela, persecuting transgender people, or perverting the justice system by using it to go after his political opponents.
 
That's the hypocrisy of the whole thing. He is not sending troops to Republican states with cities that have high crime rates. He is only sending them to Democratic states. How can you not see that for what it is?
I agree that he is not doing that to republican states, but my point was I would not mind if he does it for the whole country.
 
You don't see the next step in this logic sequence? If they are allowed to arrest people for committing crimes they don't have the authority to enforce then the next step is....?
I hope they would stop at that.

Detain them and then give them to the cops...
 
Trump is talking about implementing the Insurrection Act. With that authority, the military can act as police. The Supreme Court left it solely to POTUS to judge when there is a national emergency that justifies implementing the Insurrection Act. There's your authority.
 
Well ya, that’s because they can’t arrest. There is evidence that hot spot policing works. There is also some evidence, though debatable, that crime rates were down during their presence.
Thats why the army patrols the streets in China...

Wonder why no national guard in red states? Vastly higher rates of violence there...
 
I hope they would stop at that.

Detain them and then give them to the cops...
what motive would there be to stop there? There are no rules any more, relying on the republican honor code is how we got fascist federal military forces harassing citizens in liberal cities immune to repercussions. The right, from the scotus to the complicit right members of congress, have any integrity. They are selling you this promise of security but you paid a lot more than you will ever get back.
 
FTFY

It was (and is) the Democrats' election to lose. Trump was and is weak ... it's just that his opponent was historically weak.

We'll see how the midterms go. A lot can happen in a year, either way. Prognostications about what would "actually" happen if/if/if are kind of silly at this point.


Might be interesting to see how the Virginia elections go next month. Virginia isn't really a presidential swing state any more, and state elections sidestep a lot of federal/presidential baggage, but it's still fairly purplish.
Correct. Trump has won against two participation trophy candidates (Hillary and Kamela) from the democratic side. Let’s not forget Hillary was suppose to be the democratic candidate in 2008. The elite dems did everything they could to stop Obama from getting the nomination. But the will of the democratic common people voting won over the elitist Politburo of the Democratic Party.

If trump can knock out enough govt jobs on the northern Virginia side and never bring them back. He can turn the state red again. But northern Virginia is the sole reason Virginia is currently blue.

I don’t know what to expect of the mid terms anymore. I figure it would be a democratic cake walk to take control of the US house. But it really depends on how many people turn out to vote.
 
I never understand why Obama was worthy of the prize, honestly.
Same reason Dems think Trump is worthy of the prize. I think u have tunnel vision.

Everyone knows how much I do not like Obama. Because he lied repeatedly just to get himself elected. You can keep ur healthcare. BS. He canceled many people healthcare due to his law. I will repeal bush tax cuts. That was just another bs lie. He kept it for 99% of people cause he knew the poison pilll bush tax cuts did giving 40% of people the right to never pay federal income taxes. He just couldn’t bring it to himself to bring back bill Clinton tax bracket which would have generated far more tax revenue. He played the game just like politician.
 
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Obama got a nobel peace prize 8 months into his presidency for doing nothing
Which was ridiculous.

Will leftists meltdown if Trump received one for the israel hamas deal?
Hardly a leftist, but I would genuinely celebrate any success he has in brokering a hostage release along with the unconditional surrender of Hamas. Can't say I'm real optimistic about disarming Hamas though.
 
What is your position? Is deploying the NG to DC a good use of resources and tax payer money?

Is it good at reducing tensions within the country?

If you just want to tout it's benefits without acknowledging the steep tradeoffs and how fundamentally wasteful it is... well that seems in line with the previous conversation you had.

(I did point out that they did detain someone. Presumably that was within their power as citizens to detain someone actively committing a felony, I didn't read the specifics. Also presumably, they could make citizen's arrests in a similar capacity if the need arose.)


Ive been on the receiving end of bullsht deployments, its a terrible waste of money in my mind. As it was when they were deployed for five months following J6. Just keeping the keep then conversation honest, arguably there are some benefits that extend beyond not turning into another Kent State.
 
That's the hypocrisy of the whole thing. He is not sending troops to Republican states with cities that have high crime rates. He is only sending them to Democratic states. How can you not see that for what it is?
What republican run cities are you speaking of that are overrun with crime? Eager to learn.
 
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Not happening. Obama wasn't sending the military to patrol cities, blowing up boats off the coast of Venezuela, persecuting transgender people, or perverting the justice system by using it to go after his political opponents.
Obama secretly killed more people via drone strikes than any other presidency, he is NOT deserving of any nobel peace prize.
 
I don’t think the word rate means what you think it does.
So, your premise is, to deal with high crime rates, we should flood the country with millions more people who will dilute the numbers such that, even though the overall crime goes up, the crime "rate" per individual might go down? This is what the democrats advocate for? You want to flood the country with illegal immigrants so that additional crime will be committed (much of it violent crime), but with hopes that the rate of crime per individual will go down? Twenty years ago, if someone pitched that logic to you, what would you have said? If you would have seen it as nonsensical, then ask yourself, "what changed to make you think it makes sense today?"
 
Highest US Murder Rates (2024-2025 Data)
Sounds like Jackson, MS could use an influx of illegal immigrants to solve their crime problem...


As of October 2025, the mayor of Jackson, Mississippi, is Democrat John Horhn. A former state senator, Horhn was elected in 2025 after defeating incumbent Mayor Chokwe Antar Lumumba in the Democratic primary runoff election. Horhn assumed office on July 1, 2025. Lunumba, a democrat, was mayor from 2017-2025. Tony Yarber, Democrat, was Jackson's Mayor from 2014-2017. The last Republican mayor of Jackson, Mississippi, was Dale Danks Jr., who served from 1977 to 1989.
That tracks.
 
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Sounds like Jackson, MS could use an influx of illegal immigrants to solve their crime problem...


As of October 2025, the mayor of Jackson, Mississippi, is Democrat John Horhn. A former state senator, Horhn was elected in 2025 after defeating incumbent Mayor Chokwe Antar Lumumba in the Democratic primary runoff election. Horhn assumed office on July 1, 2025. Lunumba, a democrat, was mayor from 2017-2025. Tony Yarber, Democrat, was Jackson's Mayor from 2014-2017. The last Republican mayor of Jackson, Mississippi, was Dale Danks Jr., who served from 1977 to 1989.
That tracks.
Even better.

Trump can send the National guard, waste more tax dollars, and not solve either problem?
 
So, your premise is, to deal with high crime rates, we should flood the country with millions more people who will dilute the numbers such that, even though the overall crime goes up, the crime "rate" per individual might go down? This is what the democrats advocate for? You want to flood the country with illegal immigrants so that additional crime will be committed (much of it violent crime), but with hopes that the rate of crime per individual will go down? Twenty years ago, if someone pitched that logic to you, what would you have said? If you would have seen it as nonsensical, then ask yourself, "what changed to make you think it makes sense today?"
And your premise would be to spend billions of dollars to deport immigrants, decimate the economy, create a labor crisis along with accelerating a demographic crisis...which would cause crime and poverty rates to soar

Twenty years ago, if someone pushed that logic, the US economy would have lost trillions in GDP. If you would have seen it as nonsensical, then ask yourself, "what changed to make you think it makes sense today?"
 
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Not for the poor I guess

These big cities are usually good for upper class and rich people.

I remember when people were bad mouthing LA, I traveled there and spent 5 days. I said to myself where are the homeless people are talking about? I had to remind myself that I was staying and hanging out in the nicer parts of town.

These cities are the best for rich people.
 
Not for the poor I guess

These big cities are usually good for upper class and rich people.

I remember when people were bad mouthing LA, I traveled there and spent 5 days. I said to myself where are the homeless people are talking about? I had to remind myself that I was staying and hanging out in the nicer parts of town.

These cities are the best for rich people.
Like every thing else, yes, it’s better for rich people. Stick to one argument: are these cities burning to the ground and over run by violent crime? The stats and individuals’ observations would indicate no. At the worst of the pandemic and post-pandemic economic downturn, when the cameras were focused on SF and the doom loop and all the drugs and violence, those of us that lived there scratched our heads. Yeah, there are rough blocks here and there, as always, but the experience of living there did not match the public narrative one bit. I’d go on a limb and say the same is true in these other so called blue cities.
 
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That is named by Conde Nast and is related to tourist attractions. That seems different than living there. I go there a lot and think it is a very cool city. The bad parts of Chicago are pretty terrible, though and they protest and disrupt at the drop of a hat. One time, their protests blocked the entrance to O'Hare and caused many flight disruptions. As with Marion Barry's Washington D.C., "If you take out the killings, Chicago actually has a very, very low crime rate."
 
That is named by Conde Nast and is related to tourist attractions. That seems different than living there. I go there a lot and think it is a very cool city. The bad parts of Chicago are pretty terrible, though and they protest and disrupt at the drop of a hat. One time, their protests blocked the entrance to O'Hare and caused many flight disruptions. As with Marion Barry's Washington D.C., "If you take out the killings, Chicago actually has a very, very low crime rate."
Live there now. Yes we peacefully protest as is everyone’s right. O’Hare once being blocked in the past isn’t really justification for sending in the troops now. It’s all political theater for the people who have never and will never live here.
 
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Circumcision highly linked to autism per RFK Jr
Man, and we are only 10 months in...what a joke

Wonder how many infants will end up in the ER because mom is afraid to give them tylenol...and then refuses to allow the docs to give Tylenol as well. No Tylenol after peds surgical procedures?

Peds anesth going to have to deal with frivolous lawsuits from parents of autistic kids who received tylenol intraop?
 
Like every thing else, yes, it’s better for rich people. Stick to one argument: are these cities burning to the ground and over run by violent crime? The stats and individuals’ observations would indicate no. At the worst of the pandemic and post-pandemic economic downturn, when the cameras were focused on SF and the doom loop and all the drugs and violence, those of us that lived there scratched our heads. Yeah, there are rough blocks here and there, as always, but the experience of living there did not match the public narrative one bit. I’d go on a limb and say the same is true in these other so called blue cities.
I disagree. Blue cities attract poor people due to the entitlement programs available from higher taxes on the rich.

The super rich are shielded from these high taxes as most had homes in zero state income states like Nevada and Florida.
 
So L James the Ny attorney general finally got indicted. It’s a weak case just like Alvin Bragg weak trump case

But by the letter of the law. She lied on her mortgage application. It’s crazy how many defend her actions.

It’s like drunk driving. Everyone does it. Hardly anyone ever gets caught driving drunk. But James did. She lied on her mortgage application to get favorable terms. Oh my. Isn’t that what she nailed Trump business. For lies to get favorable mortgage terms.
 
So L James the Ny attorney general finally got indicted. It’s a weak case just like Alvin Bragg weak trump case

But by the letter of the law. She lied on her mortgage application. It’s crazy how many defend her actions.

It’s like drunk driving. Everyone does it. Hardly anyone ever gets caught driving drunk. But James did. She lied on her mortgage application to get favorable terms. Oh my. Isn’t that what she nailed Trump business. For lies to get favorable mortgage terms.
Admittedly, I haven't looked at any of that stuff, but does the phrase "innocent until proven guilty" mean anything to you?
 
Admittedly, I haven't looked at any of that stuff, but does the phrase "innocent until proven guilty" mean anything to you?
Correct. Same liberals who call for Trump to be convicted with the manhattan case. I barely heard the same innocent till proven guilty when the charges were brought. Do a search. Zero innocent till proven guilty by any of the normal liberal posters when Bragg indicted Trump. And it was a really weak criminal case.

Two way street man. And reason 2000 why Biden had to pardon his family. Any hint of criminal wrongdoing can make criminal charges appear. The left calls it a witch hunt revenge. I call it justice. James wanted to bring any charges against Trump. People forget that as well

Funny how ideology plays. So the left thinks Trump deserves it. But thinks he’s after the little people.

Justice has to be fair and everyone treated eventually.

I don’t know where the trial will be held. If it’s in Richmond or Norfolk. She’s done. Just like Trump trial in Manhattan. Very liberal jury demographics in Manhattan. Just by voting records alone.
More conservative red areas outside of northern Virginia.
 
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I found this interesting. I think this is probably an accurate analysis of the events. It feels like lawfare and retaliation, but, considering the actions against Trump, perhaps justified. The whole thing is dripping with karma.




 
Are you serious?

WTF, man.
His statement, as written is hyperbolic and not true, but he may have been making a point, but stating it incorrectly. There is a widely accepted belief that the average person arrested drove drunk about 80 times before they were arrested for it. I believe this is based upon self confessions of those who were arrested, so the study may not be completely accurate, but is widely quoted. I think the point is valid that many people drive drunk a whole bunch before they are ever caught. It has also been estimated that 10% of drivers on the road on a weekend late evening will test positive for alcohol and that maybe 3% are severely impaired. There is a lot of data out there that drunk driving is prevalent.

"On average, a drunk driver will drive 80 times under the influence before their first arrest.^[Centers for Disease Control. “Vital Signs: Alcohol-Impaired Driving Among Adults — United States, 2010.” Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report. October 4, 2011]"

So, I think if he had stated his point correctly, it would be a valid comparison. A lot of people are deceptive in their business dealings related to mortgage loans and see it as not a big deal and a very low likelihood to get them in trouble. Similarly, a lot of people drive impaired and think they are just fine to drive or they only have to go a few miles and think the risk of getting caught or causing an accident is low. So, in both scenarios, they knowingly do something wrong because they feel the risk is low. The reality seems to be that they are correct. The risk is very low. But, when caught, the penalty can be high. I think this sort of thing is common in humans in a lot of areas. We are all flawed. For AG James, it is particularly embarrassing because she had very publically gone after someone who is very high profile and had a stated vendetta. To find out that she had (allegedly) done the same thing is an unfortunate outcome for her.
 
I found this interesting. I think this is probably an accurate analysis of the events. It feels like lawfare and retaliation, but, considering the actions against Trump, perhaps justified. The whole thing is dripping with karma.





If she broke the law, I'm totally cool with her getting prosecuted for it, and any ill-gotten funds clawed back.

Shrug

As someone who doesn't cheat on taxes or submit fraudulent loan applications or rip people off in general, I don't have any sympathy for people who willingly and knowingly break those laws.

The tax system is complex and mistakes happen (often), so the appropriate remedy is almost always going to be correction of the error and payment of what was owed, not criminal prosecution though. Intent is hard to prove.


And not to be a complete dick, but that sentiment also goes for anesthesiologists who hire their children and spouses to help run their ever-so-complicated 1099 locums gigs and then deduct their plane tickets for the family ski trip, er, I mean "corporate retreat".
 
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