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What word did it say he stayed in? “He stayed in his own _____”
BOWWLING TOURNAMENT GAME THREAD
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justafluff
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I doubt there’s a strongman wolf. I had thought True’s friend was April and True died despite her protection. But then I remembered that April got locked in the bathroom the night true died. The “friend” was Mel and he couldn’t do anything, cause he could only offer day protection. There’s no evidence there’s a strongman other than Samac’s word.
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I don’t like this because your actions were conveniently focused on people who are now dead.
I mean I have to consider you with Mel’s flip.
I was tracked last night, alley is being truthful about this.
I don’t think it’s Lawpy with the zenge interactions.
It’s not sporty.
I think if you’re not involved, it has to be within the noobs. And if that’s the case there’s a serious deep wolf within them.
I think that would rule out AM being compatible with samacs
I totally get it. I understand why I have to be flipped.
Whether or not Samac is a wolf, we still have at least 1 more, likely 2 other wolves left. The last time we had a very large game like this was Bioshock, which had 4 wolves (including an alpha). However there were also 4 neutrals in that game, so the balancing was a bit different. The large game before that was the apocalypse game, which had 5 wolves and 2 3P for 30 players.
I could see there being 4 or 5 wolves total in this game, and we’ve only definitively found 2 of them, hopefully 3 after today.
4/23= 17%, which is a bit low for SDN wolf numbers (typically 20-25%)
5/23= 21.7%, which makes more sense to me for the wolf numbers.
A lot of people left have been soft cleared because of their interactions with Zenge and Vis. I’m still thinking on who else could be a wolf with them, and who is compatible with Samac as well.
I could see there being 4 or 5 wolves total in this game, and we’ve only definitively found 2 of them, hopefully 3 after today.
4/23= 17%, which is a bit low for SDN wolf numbers (typically 20-25%)
5/23= 21.7%, which makes more sense to me for the wolf numbers.
A lot of people left have been soft cleared because of their interactions with Zenge and Vis. I’m still thinking on who else could be a wolf with them, and who is compatible with Samac as well.
This feels village code-y and I don’t want to incur mod wrath, but it was the end of the lane.
I mean I did kill one of them so
justafluff
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Samac revealed she shot Genny when you prompted everyone who was a vig to reveal. After VMH got shot.
@Lawpy can you elaborate about finding the remaining wolf/ves based off of D2 wagons? I’m not sure if I missed a post or if you fully explained it
There could be inclusive or friendly 3Ps in play that add to those numbers
I’m not sure if it proves anything one way or another. The word you used doesn’t match up with the word I had in my results from Fluffy.
@SportPonies what was the actual flavor of your tracking that you received on N2 when VMH tracked you?
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I haven’t discussed this in detail yet but it serves as a basis of why i want to look into puppy and pshelty if the game continues after a wolf!samacs flip. But i’m prioritizing pshelty over puppy first
Basically i think fluffy is village and wolves were orchestrating attacks on her and took advantage of zenge’s acceleration of the fluffy D2 wagon.
I just hope they’re inclusive and not exclusive ughhhh
If I have to 3P hunt after we find the wolves I’m going to yeet myself off of a cliff /s
justafluff
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Also Samac claimed her bowling average went down, after AM said so, and I commented it was due to Zenge’s intimidation ability. It would be easy for a wolf to lie about it at this point
I guess that's fair. I also (now) think fluff is village, but at the time I had my doubts and wasn't feeling strongly about Vis (obviously incorrectly). I can't help that I'm apparently just not good at finding wolves.
No ma’am, pretty sure I said it when it first happened.
No, you didn't. AM had already stated her bowling average went down a specific night and it would've been really easy for you to go back and look at which night that was and infer it was due to Zenge's intimidation.
Someone with clicky bowling shoes followed my every turn
justafluff
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It doesn’t match my results when tracking alley either.
But what also really terrifies me is the possibility of YK being a wolf given how deepwolf crazy the wolves are behaving in this game.
You responded over an hour after AM and fluff had already talked about this.
I just realized this can’t be the case if alley is a village tracker
justafluff
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Do you want me to dig up the quotes?
I thought alley's tracking ability was 1x?
I don’t think Zenge and Vis were particularly deepwolfing
justafluff
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Blah PSV is fast
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Way ahead of you 😉
If samacs flips wolf, we have a disturbing situation where wolves basically handicapped one of their packmates by depriving them of their votes
This in turn could naturally allow for vissy’s bizarre behavior towards YK, especially with the working premise that vissy vs YK D3 wagons could be W/W
This in turn could naturally allow for vissy’s bizarre behavior towards YK, especially with the working premise that vissy vs YK D3 wagons could be W/W
Is that what she said? I read backup and backup to Vmh and assumed normal backup.
Would be a weird mechanic for a backup to only get a 1x use off of a universal use ability
I'm not sure. I just re-read the quote and I could see it either way.
Deepwolfing can reflect in their actual behavior though and zenges vote restricting a wolf!samacs is a disturbing problem in itself. Vissy is a known busser.
Did I not share that my score went down when I first shared I lost my ability to vote? I honestly don’t remember and don’t care to go through my own posts to defend myself.
Zenge literally intimidated himself to try and clear his name so I think anything's possible at this point.
After AM and I discussed on thread about it being a wolfy ability and AM said it’s all WIFOM from here on out.
Okay sure, you did share that. But we're not dumb. Zenge absolutely could've told you his PR would drop bowling averages when he acted on you, so this doesn't clear you.
This is well after the fact though and came after AM’s comments that once an ability is correctly identified as wolfy, any future targets are WIFOM. The fact that zenges restricted samacs being a problem stands.
If I was a wolf I would have known what Zenge’s ability was anyway. I don’t get the point you’re making here.
My night result told me my score was reduced.
I don’t how else talking in circles about it is going to change that.
This was discussed earlier so the fact that this actually being a thing is alarming.
I'm not seeing it being particularly problematic to take away a fellow wolf's ability to vote so early in the game when none of the confirmed wolves were particularly under fire at that point to claim village cred later on. I guess continuing to debate this is devolving into WIFOM but I think the three wolves (assuming samac flips wolf) have played enough WW games to plot ahead.
The way it’s phrased in my role PM says that I can one time conditionally revive a villager PR. I thought that meant I can only use it once? But I’m not actually sure which is true because it could also mean I can only pick one power to revive. I did just ask the mods if I can use the tracking again.
Yeah I don’t really see that it’s deepwolfy. It’s just strategic.
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In the advent of deepwolfing, is there a reason yk would be excluded versus just assuming noobs?
Honestly?
I keep forgetting they’re not a noob and grouping them together with the noobs and kind of forgetting they exist.
I think regardless of what the mods say you should keep it to yourself.
I don’t think they’re mutually exclusive. It was a strategic play yes but it’s still a wolf handicapping their packmate by depriving them of their ability to vote (and this was well before the ability was discussed in detail on thread). It’s the antagonistic nature of that play that’s deepwolfy to me
justafluff
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I’ve felt good about PSV esp in her defense of April.I guess that's fair. I also (now) think fluff is village, but at the time I had my doubts and wasn't feeling strongly about Vis (obviously incorrectly). I can't help that I'm apparently just not good at finding wolves.
I hadn’t paid attention to April’s hinting that she was a protector until PSV hinted at that. Then I tried to figure out if what she hinted conflicted with Mel being the “friend” in the write up. PSV said it doesn’t and I remembered April got locked in the bathroom. But I guess just that interaction with me and PSV was enough for the wolves to get the hint, since PSV was April’s pm partner.
My point is I’m as guilty as her for drawing attention to April and I’m sorry 😞
