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Official Frame 2 Vote Tally

Vis (1) - LAwpy (cont.)
Meats (2) - AM, Zenge

Ineligible - Samac

Missing: Many

Vote close Saturday 10PM ET

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If you think it might be a village vig who made the shot, might be best not to go hunting after them and leave a trail for the wolves to follow

And usually people who aren't wolves with shots make those shots because they think they're catching a wolf, not necessarily because they feel threatened
Makes me wonder if it was a one-time ability or not, because if I had one bonus kill I sure as heck wouldn't have felt comfortable using it on the first night with very little information.
 
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What if you aren't really assuming they're village but are saying so to see how they react? It seems like a legitimate way to feel out people.
I approve of reaction tests, as long as people know what it is they’re testing for. There’s a number of players who heavily roll their eyes at reaction tests due to improper use of the term. Just doing something intentionally weird and not knowing what to conclude given different possible responses isn’t a reaction test, it’s just confusing and antivillage.
 
Makes me wonder if it was a one-time ability or not, because if I had one bonus kill I sure as heck wouldn't have felt comfortable using it on the first night with very little information.
It's best to use a vig ability as soon as possible because there's no guarantee you'll be alive to use it later. Wolves don't holster (even if they're not 100% certain on who's a PR) so why should villagers holster (even if they're not 100% certain on who's a wolf)?
 
One thing I'll note from yesterday is that I voted for @Viscernable, and unless I missed it (very likely) she never tried to talk me out of it or argue against it.

Which gives me village energy? Is that crazy?
 
I agree that stoat has said a lot of weird pingy things, but I actually think the bolder/looser play recently feels more like how she was in the noob game as a villager. I was a bit more weirded out earlier yesterday because she felt more toned down than the last game, and this morning she's reading genuine to me
 
One thing I'll note from yesterday is that I voted for @Viscernable, and unless I missed it (very likely) she never tried to talk me out of it or argue against it.

Which gives me village energy? Is that crazy?
It's NAI to me. Both villagers and wolves have a reason to want to live.
 
Samac, lawpy - village
Visc, AM, Alley, Zenge, Pubdog, VMH
Dubz*, genny, The True True^, PSV, April
anyone I don’t specifically name- neutral
Zuri, VV, YK,
Fluffernutter, Sporty - woofy

*I will easily reverse this, she’s being TOO helpful and it makes my skin crawl.
^Thank you, I almost NEVER get to make this reference



I might be giving out village cred too easily. I feel like this many people in my village ish pile is not good, but then again its a big game...

edit: I'm updating as I read because I'm pretty sure I'm the only one awake besides maybe AM.

Edit 2: 33 mins after original post, AM is the first person to like this post. Go figure 😆
Why is sporty in your wolfreads?
 
I agree that stoat has said a lot of weird pingy things, but I actually think the bolder/looser play recently feels more like how she was in the noob game as a villager. I was a bit more weirded out earlier yesterday because she felt more toned down than the last game, and this morning she's reading genuine to me
I can say because I live with her that she just wasn't feeling physically great yesterday 😅

Not sure if saying that is an inappropriate use of out of game knowledge or not
 
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She's also in mine, for the same reason you are. Very visibly active through mostly insubstantial, questioning comments that make it feel like you're looking for wolves while mostly stirring things and casting doubt.
Not my wolf read but i need to get back to cell culture more later
 
@Truenamer moving away from wolf reads, who do you feel least motivated to yeet/who would you put in a village pot right now?
 
Since we haven’t had any actual flips yet these are mostly just leans and feels for where I’m at on everyone.

Village:
Animal Midwife - Feels like village!wife. Her pushes and responses make sense from what I would expect from village!wife.

WildZoo - Not really seeing Wolf Dubz here. It feels like wolf!Dubz likes to drive the thread a little more than this.

alleycat03 - I want to village read her from her early D1 activity. Felt like genuine village game solving. Would have liked to have seen more from her later on in the cycle though. It felt like she sort of disappeared.

samac - Feels like village samac to me. Not as active as we’ve seen before but you can’t expect every game to have the same level of activity, with varying irl obligations. But her posts felt like her chaotic village energy.

Truenamer - Seems like a village nooblet. Idk what to say, just has that game 1 village noob energy. I’d be shook if there’s a wolf here.

potentialsheltervet - Overall I’m agreeing with their posts and I can follow their logic and thought process. Feels like it’s coming from a village mindset.

Neutral:
Lawpy - Top of my neutrals. I’ve legitimately never seen wolf!Lawpy so I’m not sure what to look for this early on, but feels genuine and village.

Aprilthearab - April is pinging me enough to make me think this is probably village April. There hasn’t been anything so far that makes me go “holy cow this is so wolfy. This has to be village April” so I’m leaving her in neutrals for the moment, but tentative village side of neutrals.

Melchizedek - I didn’t like the April vote without reasoning (at the time of the vote) and then dip but the response he gave me when asked about it was what I’d expect village Mel to say. Mel always seems wolfy to me but I’ll leave him as neutral.

SportPonies - I often find sporty to be very wolfy regardless of affiliation, and maybe I’m getting used to that and learning to read it better. Still not sure overall. Neutral.

Viscernable - I can see the arguments against Vissy. I’ve also seen those arguments made against village!Vissy so I’m hesitant to wolf read her. Neutral for now. Hoping to get a better idea from this cycle.

justafluff - Still not sure overall but I’ve come out of my tunnel and I’m willing to admit I could have been wrong. I liked a lot of Fluffy’s posts later in the cycle and found them to be agreeable. Will keep an eye out going forward since what I liked came after pressure was applied.

bluestoat - Not sure. A lot of her posts are wigging me out, but I remember she was a bit of a loose cannon in her noob game too. I could see this going either way tbh.

genny - Not sure overall yet. Didn’t like her pressuring me to vote on thread when she was keenly aware of my thought process on people. Didn’t like that she convinced me off the Kal vote, but I do get the reasoning of wanting to give Kal a chance when she hasn’t played in a while. I’m a sucker for that and Genny knows it. Wolf side of neutrals.

Wolfy:
vetmedhead - Didn’t like the April vote, or reasoning for it. Didn’t like her take on Alley either, especially because Alley is usually low hanging fruit but I’ve felt really good about her play this game. Overall VMH’s posts and pushes just feel off to me. There’s not a lot of content to analyze but what there is, I’m not a big fan of.

They’ve all posted a few things that have pinged me, and they’re more wolfy than not. But with so few posts between them I need to see more and will focus on their play today. I think there’s probably at least in wolf hiding in here, probably more:
violetvett
IvyMoose
zuriburi
puppydogtor
OctopusDoctorpus
Youngkal


Won’t Vote Here:
WorthlessOxygen - Hasn’t really posted much to get a good read but I wouldn’t have the heart to vote for my own noob their first game after the noob game.
I think these reads are reasonable although i think samacs is more in the neutral side for me. I could see why meaty is wolfy though
 
Taking note of vis at the top of this list
And you up there right after them. I realize a simple wolf strategy would be to geet someone with an inaccurate list to draw suspicion to the top but the way that everyone’s responding to this situation has at least these top 2 as my top 2 wolfs.

Yeet viscernable
 
And you up there right after them. I realize a simple wolf strategy would be to geet someone with an inaccurate list to draw suspicion to the top but the way that everyone’s responding to this situation has at least these top 2 as my top 2 wolfs.

Yeet viscernable
I just realized Dubz might have to give up her April reading card 🤔
 
Wait how am i stirring things or casting doubt? I ask questions as part of the wolfhunting process
Lawpy it's nothing specific and it's just a feeling, but it feels like whenever I see you comment it's this kind of thing. Feels like how a wolf would demonstrate participation. But I'm new, I don't know you well yet.

Edit- Christ, there were like 10 comments that were supposed to be attached to this. Stupid app. Give me a sec.
 
Wait what?

@vetmedhead @OctopusDoctorpus @WorthlessOxygen would like to hear more from you pls

I await your explanation too :cat:

why are YK and puppy in your wolfreads?

Yeah i’m curious on your reasons for zenges and octos reads or if they have changed (and why). Interesting reads overall

Explain casually

Hmm interesting 🤔
This kind of thing, this is what I mean when I say that your posts are frequent but mostly just question or cast doubt
 
Lawpy it's nothing specific and it's just a feeling, but it feels like whenever I see you comment it's this kind of thing. Feels like how a wolf would demonstrate participation. But I'm new, I don't know you well yet.

Edit- Christ, there were like 10 comments that were supposed to be attached to this. Stupid app. Give me a sec.
This kind of thing, this is what I mean when I say that your posts are frequent but mostly just question or cast doubt
Questions are important to assess player interactions but i’m not seeing where casting doubt or pot stirring are coming here.
 
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Galactic Bowling (Night) Frame 1
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As the sun went down, the lights went up! A spectacular laser show unfolded and cheers and jeers spread all around. The night time, however, unfortunately brings out the crazies. As one wee bowler tried to lift her six pound ball off the rack, she was struck from behind with a much heavier ball, cracking her cranium. Another bowler was bragging all night about how great she was. When morning came she was found inexplicably lying lifeless in one of the gutters. I guess it doesnt pay to be a good bowler sometimes.

@WildZoo, Gutter Ball, a vanillager, who started with a lower average than most bowlers, and who was given a 1x watching ability out of pity.

@genny, a Strike, a vanillager, who started with a higher average than most bowlers.

21 players remain

Lane 1 @Lawpy
Lane 2 @youngkal
Lane 3 @alleycat03
Lane 4. @vetmedhead
Lane 5 @genny
Lane 6 @Zenge142
Lane 7 @WildZoo
Lane 8 @bluestoat
Lane 9 @Truenamer
Lane 10 @justafluff
Lane 11 @Viscernable
Lane 12 @samac
Lane 13 @Melchizedek
Lane 14 @IvyMoose
Lane 15 @SportPonies
Lane 16 @Animal Midwife
Lane 17 @Aprilthearab
Lane 18 @potentialsheltervet
Lane 19 @violetvett
Lane 20 @zuriburi
Lane 21 @puppydogtor
Lane 22 @OctopusDoctorpus
Lane 23 @WorthlessOxygen


Snacking on the Sideline

7.@WildZoo, Gutter Ball, vanillager, 1x watcher
5.@genny, Strike, vanillager


It is now Frame 2.

Voting ends SATURDAY at 10PM ET
Based on the writeup and D1 events, i think WZ was likely wolfkilled, but genny could also be wolfkilled or something else happened. Not sure. WZ was coming across as more clearly village than genny.
 
You died before I could dig up the quote. That was a dirty kill. I’m trying not to tunnel new players, but half the roster is new players and this reeks of noob!wolf getting spooked by power villaging.

Don’t think WZ was vig’d because she was on most people’s village lists I believe
Honestly, most players are intimidated by dubz so I severely doubt it was a noob exclusive move.
I’m going to start by yeeting meats, but I had the same thought as Mel here:


Yeet Meats
Hmm i think it’s a mix of both in the context of noob-driven but veteran approved.
 
. WZ was coming across as more clearly village than genny
Which makes me feel like Genny was a 3p or villager/vig kill rather than a wolf kill. I feel like the wolves wouldn't want to shoot down a possible scapegoat.
On my phone so can't quote the post but re: Vis at the top of Dubz's reads, I think it would be more of a noob move to panic in a corner and retaliate by killing Dubz just since she was suspicious of Vis. She didn't even wind up voting to yeet Vis ultimately. Seems like Dubz was killed to set someone up OR because the wolves thought she would sniff them out.
 
genny barely had any posts and this is really all I could pick up on. Makes me think that genny was killed by village/neutral and that maybe ivy, zenge, or fluff felt a little threatened. I do also think that might not be what happened, as the info on genny is small and since I've narrowed down to three people so quickly it feels very ballsy and not something I could see fluff or zenge doing. Ivy however I am stuck on, due to them wanting to cause a three way tie, I don't think I would be as surprised if they were involved with this
I like that logic a lot. It might be a villager. Genny was on my wolfier list as well and I was going to investigate her today. So maybe one of the villagers thought that indeed they are catching a wolf. It could also be that Ivy is a wolf, and Genny was an experienced and bold enough player. But she wasn't really onto Ivy that much, so it would be very risky for Ivy to have gone after genny just because genny yeeted her for inactivity
 
Can you point it out?

These posts. I don’t know if sporty is reaching here or whether she has a valid point.

Oh yeah
Unyeet puppy


Saw genny Unyeet and realized I was still on my joke vote.

unyeet mommy
yeet samac


doesn't feel villagey; weird tingles with her joke vote unyeet

Her "oh yeah guess I should unyeet my joke" followed by her expanation when I hmm'd it was weird.
Her explanation being "genny jumped off a joke vote which reminded me"

Original post sounded insincere, explanation is questionable given that there were several un-yoten jokes that she had seen at that point.

Oooooooor I’m just busy and wasn’t thinking about it until genny did it.
 
I was going to investigate her today
This is the second time you've mentioned "investigating" someone. Do you mean search for more evidence against them, or are you trying to hint at a PR? If the latter, that's odd since you earlier insisted you were a vanillager and you've previously been adamant about not role-revealing unless your back's against the wall. Most people are considering you village so I don't know why you would keep dropping hints like that.
 
These posts. I don’t know if sporty is reaching here or whether she has a valid point.

quotes
to be clear, I haven't read anything since day close yesterday but I will say that samac sounded a bit better later last night but I'm not sure if it's enough for me to step off. I still think she wasn't sounding her normal village earlier in the day cycle and there was at least one instance where someone unyeeted a joke vote and samac posted 1-2 posts later without any recognition that she was still on hers. Which is why I thought it was so weird when suddenly several hours later it was an "oh yeah"
 
A Dubz NK doesn't surprise me all that much I suppose, but I do think a genny NK is interesting given how she is one of the easier veterans to misyeet.

I think I saw someone else say that it smells of threatened noob wolf pack but I'd be pretty surprised if the pack was 100% noob wolves driving the NKs. It's unlikely based on RNG alone, and I'd also be surprised if KD or cubs allowed RNG to dictate a fresh noob pack.
 
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This is the second time you've mentioned "investigating" someone. Do you mean search for more evidence against them, or are you trying to hint at a PR? If the latter, that's odd since you earlier insisted you were a vanillager and you've previously been adamant about not role-revealing unless your back's against the wall. Most people are considering you village so I don't know why you would keep dropping hints like that.
Oh no I meant looking into her posts. Theres a lot of people I have very little opinion about because I don't remember what they posted or who they were after.
 
Since you're online, could you explain what this reason you're feeling is? That was super cryptic and now I am very curious
Long story short, I'm not seeing the same type of play from you as I did in the noob game. I don't know if that's because I was privy to behind the scenes information or if it's because you're a wolf. You were just felt much more intuitive.

Dubz pointed out different reasons than I was feeling, however.
 
Long story short, I'm not seeing the same type of play from you as I did in the noob game. I don't know if that's because I was privy to behind the scenes information or if it's because you're a wolf. You were just felt much more intuitive.

Dubz pointed out different reasons than I was feeling, however.
If I were a wolf I'd try pretty hard to sound like my noob game! And to amuse fellow wolves in our secret treehouse. This is bland!stoat, the most boring of all stoats
 
Also I'd try to bandwagon Truenamer, for the lulz

And try to implicate Fluffy, because they'd be my favorite wolf ever. Bloodthirsty bun would be very funny to me. BUT AGAIN, I will aim to respond in full to all my critics tonight, with tea in paw.