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BOWWLING TOURNAMENT GAME THREAD
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Huh, maybe not
@Animal Midwife has vmh bussed before?
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justafluff
Good skelegg
That it is pretty wolfy. She was catching up (possibly reading last few pages), and maybe she chose to yeet vis cause she thought vis was the most suspicious - vis wasn't defending herself much, while youngkal and stoat were trying. But creating a 3-way tie could have been very destructive if all 3 of them are village. Like Dana repeatedly said in the noob game, why waste a yeet when you can take out one more villager; in this scenario, why just 2 villagers when you can take out 3?
So now that I'm pondering, @IvyMoose why did you vote vis again?
Yes.
justafluff
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Its about as much content as D2 in this game! I will read it at night to self-soothe lolHere you go. You can read it now, or wait for the audiobook version.
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First off, surprised no one else thinks that this bandwagon is pretty obvious. I'm such an easy yeet target for the wolves right now from inactivity and jokiness and lots of you are just going with it. It's really funny to me, but props to any wolves successfully instigating that.
I was going to summarize everything, but you know what, why not. Mel, this is on you, you asked for this 🙃
To summarize my thoughts up to page 20, though, pshelty, meats, and samac have mostly been posting agreements or other nonsubstantial claims. Maybe this will change? Lawpy is doing the same thing asking lots and lots of questions with no substance, but I think they post a little more useful stuff later. As said before, fluff is being paranoid which is normal. YK has been acting weird and defensive from the Ivy vote, stoat and a couple others have noted this. Lots of looking at Zenge's posting history right now (honestly not sure how this is super relevant, but dubz was leading this initiative). Dubz, lawpy, and potential also started looking at stoaty for the YK thing.
Hopping ahead until after the deaths because this is getting too long, even for me. Hopefully it showed my thought process a little. I lost the quotes directed towards me and my answers in the save process, but ultimately was trying to say that I somewhat defended fluff because she's one of the only players here that I've played with and she seemed to be acting like she did as a villager. I know zero (0) metas so I was trying to go off the little evidence I have. This is also my first time doing D1 alone, I had a mason buddy to bounce ideas off during the noob game so I'm really in the dark here.
Also, some people were saying genny's nk doesn't make sense, but I think it does. If it was a vig shot, yep makes sense, she wasn't very active and there's not a lot to go off. Wolf nk also makes sense since wolves might think she's quiet because she doesn't want to draw attention to a PR. Which she didn't have luckily.
Posting all of this now to break it up. Don't worry, more incoming.
I was going to summarize everything, but you know what, why not. Mel, this is on you, you asked for this 🙃
To summarize my thoughts up to page 20, though, pshelty, meats, and samac have mostly been posting agreements or other nonsubstantial claims. Maybe this will change? Lawpy is doing the same thing asking lots and lots of questions with no substance, but I think they post a little more useful stuff later. As said before, fluff is being paranoid which is normal. YK has been acting weird and defensive from the Ivy vote, stoat and a couple others have noted this. Lots of looking at Zenge's posting history right now (honestly not sure how this is super relevant, but dubz was leading this initiative). Dubz, lawpy, and potential also started looking at stoaty for the YK thing.
(That was towards AM super early on. I know there was debate on whether the AM-genny debate was jokey but with hindsight, it makes ya wonder...)
Hmmmm
HMMMMMM. Bad reasons all around, not a fan.
Ok, fine, you're still lowkey bandwagoning though.
lol pshelty you're doing the same thing right now, all questions with vague opinions
Erm, what? That's very awkward and agreeable, Ivy. Acknowledging that it's outdated doesn't make it not outdated.
Wow, guys, how novel and original. (Lawpy noted this weirdness, too.)
Last post before WZ's death and not too soon later...
Hmmmmm. If you're a wolf thinking about killing WZ, it sure seems like a smart idea to vote for their top suspect to throw off the scent.
Oh, that scares me. I actually totally forgot about April until reading this post, weird.
Hopping ahead until after the deaths because this is getting too long, even for me. Hopefully it showed my thought process a little. I lost the quotes directed towards me and my answers in the save process, but ultimately was trying to say that I somewhat defended fluff because she's one of the only players here that I've played with and she seemed to be acting like she did as a villager. I know zero (0) metas so I was trying to go off the little evidence I have. This is also my first time doing D1 alone, I had a mason buddy to bounce ideas off during the noob game so I'm really in the dark here.
Also, some people were saying genny's nk doesn't make sense, but I think it does. If it was a vig shot, yep makes sense, she wasn't very active and there's not a lot to go off. Wolf nk also makes sense since wolves might think she's quiet because she doesn't want to draw attention to a PR. Which she didn't have luckily.
Posting all of this now to break it up. Don't worry, more incoming.
I see the word bandwagon being thrown around a lot so I wanted to clarify the definition.
A bandwagon is when several votes accrue in a small window of time (like 5 new votes for one person within 15 minutes). Not every wagon is a bandwagon.
A bandwagon is when several votes accrue in a small window of time (like 5 new votes for one person within 15 minutes). Not every wagon is a bandwagon.
I agree. Parts of it fell forced and without a lot of actual game substance.
The one thing I notice in her favor is she’s saying ivy made the 3 way tie, but her vote was too late.
I would expect a wolf to pay closer attention, but the layer of noobness makes it harder for me.
What made you go back to this post hours later?
I resisted the urge to skip another 7 pages. Everyone doing okay? Had water and snacks?
That’s my nooblet
All of vmh's mentions of violet
Kind of felt like that vote came out of the blue once violet was gaining some sus but there were only three votes on violet before that and it's not exactly late in the cycle
Kind of felt like that vote came out of the blue once violet was gaining some sus but there were only three votes on violet before that and it's not exactly late in the cycle
Frame 2 Official Voting Tally (as of post 1963)
Vis (1) - zuri
Meats (1) - AM
Violet (5) - April, Lawpy, puppy, meats, blue
OctoDoc (1) - True
zuri () -
Sporty (1) - Mel
Oxygen (1) - Octodoc
Leading: @violetvett
Ineligible: samac
10/20: many missing votes
@alleycat03 @youngkal @justafluff @Viscernable @IvyMoose @SportPonies @potentialsheltervet @violetvett @WorthlessOxygen @Zenge142
Day close: ~4.25 hours: 10PM EST/9PM CST/7PM FANTASYLAND
Vis (1) - zuri
Meats (1) - AM
Violet (5) - April, Lawpy, puppy, meats, blue
OctoDoc (1) - True
zuri () -
Sporty (1) - Mel
Oxygen (1) - Octodoc
Leading: @violetvett
Ineligible: samac
10/20: many missing votes
@alleycat03 @youngkal @justafluff @Viscernable @IvyMoose @SportPonies @potentialsheltervet @violetvett @WorthlessOxygen @Zenge142
Day close: ~4.25 hours: 10PM EST/9PM CST/7PM FANTASYLAND
Day 1 all I’ve got to go off is feels 99% of the time. Genny felt wrong. Her arguement with AM felt wrong and her tone felt wrong. I vote there.
Then stoats acted hella weird. The vissy/zenge voting thing pinged the **** out of me. I voted who I thought is the wolfiest at that time. Best I can do as a villager.
I’m also getting tired of the NKA of why genny died. continuing to go in those circles are gonna go nowhere.
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To me it reads like a whole lot of words that don't really amount to much
Sporty was on my radar initially for her Samac push. Samac feels village based on stuff I pointed out earlier and has continued to read that way. Sporty's most recent posts haven't moved her closer to village in any way. Lots of hedging. I especially didn't like the real quick 180 on True True.
AM, IDK. Maybe I'm just sick of losing to her and am being jumpy about her
When you say "list" do you mean sus list? Why shelty and samac?
Quoting this to go back to and read when I have more time
They just do. Can’t explain it, just a tone thing
I’m curious about the argument against violet if someone wants to give me a TLDR. I just got home.
I guess I don’t have much on her besides the impression she kinda was flying under the radar but that’s not necessarily wolfy
I guess I don’t have much on her besides the impression she kinda was flying under the radar but that’s not necessarily wolfy
justafluff
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I saw it as I was waking up (I'm on the west coast) and didn't have time to reply cause I had to join a biochem class online. I meant to reply but wanted to see what else meats had to say about me.
This feels like PR hunting and it spooks me
Yeah I know that in my head in regards to how RNG works, but I feel like with how my reads have been that it must be like 1-2 veterans and 3 noobs. If it is all noobs or something I feel really bad for that wolfpack.
This post makes me feel a lot better about Puppy, and her thought process seems genuinely village to me.
idk why I quoted this, but I think I liked Puppy's answer.
I don't get your point about how fluff reading you determines how other people read you? Idk I am really not a fan of how concerned you are with how many noobs are reading you as wolf. I feel like you're not seen as anywhere near as wolfy as you're claiming you are. I know you were up for yeet on D1, but you're acting like a large chunk of the roster is wolfreading you and that's not the case.
I don't like it at all. Seems like a very wolfy defense, promising to give us more info later as long as we let her stick around. I completely understand catching up, but the semi-bargaining like that just seems quite wolfy to me.
I'm about to get in the car for the next few hours. I'm not driving, so as long as I have service I will still be around.
Yeet Violet
Yeet Violet
Thanks for catching this! I missed it since I didn't get the ping on the original post!
@puppydogtor Since you mentioned me. I'm going to break my thoughts down on this post point by point. I don't know everything others have said at the moment since I was on a walk to placate my stomach and I'm about a page and a half behind but here goes.
Right off the bat, the first chunk is very passive-aggressive and feels more like a wolf-cover joke than a frustrated villager joke. I recognize part of this may be because tone is difficult to decipher through the internet but I don't like the wording.
It's totally understandable to get busy with school and I wouldn't expect anyone to put their mental health aside for a game. But why bring up ~the miya situation~ when no one was drawing attention to it in any sort of way? I didn't even think to draw parallels until you mentioned it, so now I'm more suspicious than I would've been had you said nothing. It's okay to be busy with school and not posting much. You didn't need to throw in "but it's not like with that wolf in the noob game!" because now it's like you're being too defensive.
The game is more exciting when you're under suspicion, so I can't argue with this part. It's also insanely frustrating to know you're village and have people suspect you and not listen to what you're saying, so I wouldn't say it's fun.
I can't argue with this either. The noob game ties were a dumpster fire so I accept the clarification that you were joking, but I'm going to be honest and say I don't even remember you making a joke about this. All I remember is Ivy yeeting Vis past yeet close in an apparent effort to make a 3 way tie for some ungodly reason. I also don't remember seeing anyone calling you out for the joke but please quote some if I missed it. I've been skimming parts of the thread because people won't stop posting and it's hard to keep up. I didn't realize how much the noob game eased us into that part! But it's worth noting that Ivy DIDN'T make a 3 way tie because they posted after yeet close, and I'm baffled as to how you didn't realize that.
I would've preferred you not mention that you're "getting suspects" based on the dubz/genny deaths N1. We don't know for sure which one, if either, or both were wolf kills. Basing your whole player analysis on the assumption that we know why they died and who killed them is tenuous, to say the least. It also concerns me that you're alluding to the fact you'll be writing it up and won't answer any questions until you're done because it makes me feel like you're consulting with others to get your write-up clear, like it wolfchat.
So I'd like you to address my points here. At the moment I'm finding this fairly incriminating but I want to see how you respond to what I've said.
That was not my intention. I just thought it was a really weird role to brainstorm up, and I thought the creativity was unique. Not actually PR hunting, but I can see how my phrasing of the sentence came off that way.
Hm, I’m glad alley pointed that post from fluff out, though. I missed the implications of it earlier. Considering fluff had a PR in the noob game and most of our discussion was about interpreting night action results, she knows that results from night actions are not received immediately.
I'm not convinced that it's all noobs, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's only one vet
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I'd back a Violet, Fluff, or Sporty vote today. I still don't think Visc is a wolf.
I just don’t understand why bring up “it sounds like they have knowledge of this role existing”
Idk where I mentioned YK; I only recall responding to a remark about Ivy from Vis. Can you point out where I wrote that?
Truenamer
Toothy, Furry Villager
Sorry that I was away! To explain, from my understanding there are like 4-5ish wolves, and 20ish of us total. Fewer, after D1. So the chance of throwing a dart and hitting a wolf is ~20%.
Me feeling that you're more like 60% to be a wolf is a big jump, in that regard.
And, likewise, when I said that AM was ~85-90% villager it wasn't a massive jump from the baseline in my mind.
Most of us are village.
justafluff
Good skelegg
Actually, I did not know that. My action in the noob game was to protect. I don't know how seering brings results. Anyway, the point I wanted to make was that neither Genny or Dubz were seered and killed, cause like people have said, it's more likely for wolves to go after PRs if they can discover them, and both Genny and Dubz were vanilla.
dubz wasn't vanilla.
Regardless, there's no way of knowing for certain which actions were used on either of them even if both were wolf kills.
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This was concerning me, but I’m wavering on whether it feels like intentionally going for low-hanging fruit (noobs, a returning player new to most of us, and meats) or just falling into the same mental bias that I fear I can feel myself falling into of reading noob unfamiliarity as wolfy. I haven’t caught up to her response to my question yet, hoping it will clarify my read on her once I do.
Dang it violet, another long post I want to break down.
It's not a bandwagon yet. Still a few hours until yeet close so it's not like it is materializing out of thin air. Those who have voted you have given valid reasons. Also, I don't know why you assume wolves are behind people voting you. I'm finding your answers highly suspicious and they don't read very villagey to me, so unless your packmates are hardcore bussing you I think it's fair for villagers to be looking at you.
What YK thing? Please be specific because I don't know what you're referring to. I wouldn't say fluff was intensely paranoid in the noob game because she assembled her village bloc early on and then utterly trusted those players until it got her killed by Dana. She was faithful to her village bloc to the end. I'm also not sure what the point of mentioning dubz looking at Zenge's posting history is because that wound up being a dead end essentially with dubz concluding Zenge was village based on the timing of the posts.
Makes you wonder that AM is a wolf who killed genny out of malice, you mean? We don't know why genny died or who killed her so I think it's moot for now.
Not really? Samac was saying genny felt weird to her but she didn't have a reference since she'd never been in a game with genny as a wolf. Are you now implying samac killed genny? Also, why does it matter since even if samac did kill genny that wouldn't prove she's a wolf?
I already expressed my issue with this line of thinking before, but it isn't always bad to bandwagon if you think that player is a wolf. Yeet who you think is a wolf.
I ISO'd myself and this is just literally not true.
I don't see the point of including this.
I don't think this bland comment adds anything.
You jump from Lawpy is being useful to immediately saying you think Lawpy is a wolf and planning to kill dubz. Massive leap. You can't think someone is village and also a wolf.
It actually didn't, in my opinion. You just sort of grumbled about some posts.
You have zuri you could be PMing with. They may be a noob but you can still chat with them, so this feels odd. We've clearly established (and fluff herself has admitted!) that fluff is NOT acting like she did in the noob game also.
NKA is not relevant at this point. Why are you so focused on this point?
I like this poast. WIFOM arguments engage my eyebrows when they’re made as a defense or as a “we can never read into anything ever, give up” flop; pointing out that you’ve seen a post made by wolves and would make that post yourself as a wolf has nothing to do with that sort of WIFOM in my eyes
justafluff
Good skelegg
Oww ok. I thought vanilla meant vanillager whether or not they have 1x ability. my bad.
All vanillagers are vanilla, but the only way to be vanilla is if you have zero abilities.
*Ignore the "WZ last post before death", I misread the time, I've been here for 4 hours and my brain is a puddle. Lawpy weirdness still stands regardless.*
TLDR on my vote, @SportPonies : Violet should be yeeted because of a dumb joke she made.
(10 pages left, yay!!!)
Page 31 is an influx of Octo votes, mainly because of inactivity. Voters include stoat, True, and an imaginary one from samac.
I don't want to quote it all, but I still like Alley's posts and reasoning and logic on page 35 at 2am. Village-leaning.
True COULD be pulling a Dana with the Sporty iso so I'm trying to not pay a lot of attention to that right now.
Octo has been quiet in the main thread, but active in the PM hmmmm.
Hey, Alley, what about Ivy? You know, the actually tie-attempter?
Octo's gone missing until...
Realized I'm kind of aggressive and probably overly defensive in this post, but realizing that people are voting me because of a dumb joke I made is pretty infuriating. Especially considering how fluff made a dumb joke and we all realized maybe that wasn't the best way to go around things.
We're 3 hours from a vote. Do we want a role reveal, gang? Seems like a suitable time to do it, but if you want to find out the hard way I'm village, by all means go right ahead. Who am I to deny the bloodlust of the masses?
TLDR on my vote, @SportPonies : Violet should be yeeted because of a dumb joke she made.
Agreed, I noted this earlier.
Yeah this is village paranoia behavior. Wolf would have kept their mouth shut and waited to see if fluff would slip some more. Pshelty is back to neutral.
Backpedaling and mostly agreeing with some others.
(10 pages left, yay!!!)
Page 31 is an influx of Octo votes, mainly because of inactivity. Voters include stoat, True, and an imaginary one from samac.
Good question.
My name's thrown back into the mix after a long time. Yesterday evening. BUT it's consistent so far, April voted me yesterday.
I don't want to quote it all, but I still like Alley's posts and reasoning and logic on page 35 at 2am. Village-leaning.
True COULD be pulling a Dana with the Sporty iso so I'm trying to not pay a lot of attention to that right now.
Octo has been quiet in the main thread, but active in the PM hmmmm.
Lawpy brings me up first this morning. Arguably the origin of my yeets.
Which "other reasons"?
Here's lawpy again bringing me up. I made a joke about ties and somehow that's wolfier than attempting a tie vote? Hey lawpy, what about Ivy??? You literally haven't mentioned her once yet.
Oh boy, not again. You guys are literally going to misyeet me because of a dumb joke I made 🤦♀️ Sigh.
Hey, Alley, what about Ivy? You know, the actually tie-attempter?
Um, what are you confused about? It was because of the strange tone that fluff noted, even I remember that from like 20 pages ago. Woofy.
Yeah, puppy's right, that's weird, Octo.
Beetlejuice much? Didn't we already go over this, too? I think we're all in agreement ties aren't good, this contributes nothing to the conversation.
Boom, a popular vote starts. I've explained my absence already. This seems like an easy shot and is also weirdly personal? "Fluff was just the wolfiest to me at that time." Yeah, and I didn't like your reasoning, so I voted for you. "Clear cut evidence" was an overstatement, as I agree no one had any evidence. I try stay away from the "tonal" arguments.
Oh hey, Ivy's name finally shows up! And no one pays attention to this.
Octo's gone missing until...
This is...very insightful for a noob. Huh. Odd. Someone mentioned before Octo seemed "coached" and I have to agree. Puppy, have you talked about something like this with Octo?
Realized I'm kind of aggressive and probably overly defensive in this post, but realizing that people are voting me because of a dumb joke I made is pretty infuriating. Especially considering how fluff made a dumb joke and we all realized maybe that wasn't the best way to go around things.
We're 3 hours from a vote. Do we want a role reveal, gang? Seems like a suitable time to do it, but if you want to find out the hard way I'm village, by all means go right ahead. Who am I to deny the bloodlust of the masses?
For purposes of official roles and mechanics her role is considered vanilla, but had a 1x ability modifier. But feel free to debate the semantics.
what?
I don’t even get where this game from.
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I’m not reading AM as wolfy this game, but for future reference (including this game if you do later hear her howling): don’t give in to AM powerwolfing. GGoats, Donuts, and Criminal Minds she forced her way into the village bloc, then was impossible to yeet once someone figured it out while the rest of village was drinking the kool-aid. Reverse the curse, do what we could not.
justafluff
Good skelegg
I feel similarly about Sporty too tbh. Waiting for her to vote to see what's up.
Anywayyyyy, yeet @IvyMoose
Ivy has been 100% missing and not said anything really helpful. Everyone has ignored this and piled on me instead.
This is super defensive, like wolf-level-defensive. Ivy doesn't apologize or anything later and just asks again why people don't understand their reasoning? And everyone ignores it? Odd.
This post has zero helpful content and just drags back the AM-Genny thing from page 2.
Ivy has been 100% missing and not said anything really helpful. Everyone has ignored this and piled on me instead.
Frame 2 Official Voting Tally (as of post 1998)
Vis (1) - zuri
Meats (1) - AM
Violet (6) - April, Lawpy, puppy, meats, blue, alley
OctoDoc (1) - True
zuri () -
Sporty (1) - Mel
Oxygen (1) - Octodoc
Ivy (1) - violet
Leading: @violetvett
Ineligible: samac
12/20 missing:
@youngkal @justafluff @Viscernable @IvyMoose @SportPonies @potentialsheltervet @WorthlessOxygen @Zenge142
Day close: 3 hours 10PM EST/9PM CST/7PM FANTASYLAND
Vis (1) - zuri
Meats (1) - AM
Violet (6) - April, Lawpy, puppy, meats, blue, alley
OctoDoc (1) - True
zuri () -
Sporty (1) - Mel
Oxygen (1) - Octodoc
Ivy (1) - violet
Leading: @violetvett
Ineligible: samac
12/20 missing:
@youngkal @justafluff @Viscernable @IvyMoose @SportPonies @potentialsheltervet @WorthlessOxygen @Zenge142
Day close: 3 hours 10PM EST/9PM CST/7PM FANTASYLAND
i changed my mind on stoat. It’s not backpedaling, it’s evolving reads.
I have a PM with her.
