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evajaclynn said:
Phleebie - its good to have you back! I was wondering where you were to help me support our Jayhawks! 🙂

Perhaps opponents think our court is ugly because they hardly ever win at Allen Fieldhouse. Kansas has an all time record of 564-102 at Allen Fieldhouse and since the 1984 season, Kansas' record at home is an amazing 282-22 (93%).

Since the start of the Big 12, Kansas has lost just five conference games at home and never more than one in a season.

Bottom line: We don't give a damn if you think our court is ugly. More than likely you will lose whenever you enter the Allen Fieldhouse doors.


Its still ugly. But this "home court we are awesome" argument is sooooo tired. I am from MN but live in WI, and have to hear this same garbage about the Badgers (38 game home win streak, blah blah) No tournament games are played at home, and who the heck cares about the regular season? I mean, everyone wins at home, especially any halfway decent teams, and at the end of the year its meaningless, cause road/neutral games are a much stronger indicator. If Kansas were to play the entire tourny at Allen, sure, I'd pick em, but I'd probably pick the Badgers if the whole tourny was at the Kohl Center. Conference titles mean so little, as does regular season record, except when pertaining to a seed. Oh, and by the way, Kansas aint gonna get a #1, cause Kentucky is gonna roll through SEC tournament and lock it up, whereas Kansas is gonna lose in semis of Big 12. Oops....

P.S. I am a Gopher fan, so go ahead and rip me, I am pleased as punch we just are gonna make the dance for eht first time lin like 5 years. M-I-N-N-E-S-O-T-A, Minnesota! Minnesota! YAAAAAAAY GOPHERS!
 
vhawk01 said:
Its still ugly. But this "home court we are awesome" argument is sooooo tired.


Say what you want, we still have the best home court advantage in the nation.

This may not come into factor during tournament time, but it sure make games a lot of fun to watch when you're a Jayhawk fan at home. 🙂 👍
 
phleebie said:
further proof that you really dont have a pulse on college basketball. a little refresher for you: earlier this season, KU beat Kentucky without our best player, Wayne Simien, IN LEXINGTON. when the ncaa tournament committee gets together for the selection process, they dont gloss over things like this.

what a novel idea--when determining the better of two teams, look to see who won their head-to-head matchup. brilliant.

Check this out

Beating Kentucky that early on doesn't help too much right now. Early season games are significant, but with Kentucky's performance as of late, as well as "KU's" performance as of late, Kentucky gets the nod...sorry. It matters who you beat and where you beat them, but WHEN you beat them is significant as well. Kansas was already a veteran team because of their age; however, Kentucky was a relatively young team.
 
VPDcurt said:
Check this out

Beating Kentucky that early on doesn't help too much right now. Early season games are significant, but with Kentucky's performance as of late, as well as "KU's" performance as of late, Kentucky gets the nod...sorry. It matters who you beat and where you beat them, but WHEN you beat them is significant as well. Kansas was already a veteran team because of their age; however, Kentucky was a relatively young team.


By the way, I love the UK v KU argument. Goes to show who the majority of people in sports consider the true power
 
evajaclynn said:
Perhaps opponents think our court is ugly because they hardly ever win at Allen Fieldhouse.

No they think it's ugly because it looks disgusting.
 
VPDcurt said:
No they think it's ugly because it looks disgusting.

Nice, really nice. Your comments don't fool anyone.
 
evajaclynn said:
Nice, really nice. Your comments don't fool anyone.

I'm just being honest. I was referring to the actual design of the court - not the atmosphere in Allen Fieldhouse.
 
fightingsaint said:
Kentucky's going to lose to Florida tomorrow, which should take them out of contention for a #1 seed.

Wow, how'd you predict that one? Looks like a sad day for many top seeds - Illinois, Kentucky, Kansas, OSU. Would never have predicted all of those losses.
 
evajaclynn said:
Wow, how'd you predict that one? Looks like a sad day for many top seeds - Illinois, Kentucky, Kansas, OSU. Would never have predicted all of those losses.

Yeah I can't believe all of those teams lost too. UNC almost lost to Duke too, but they were able to come back and win it in the end. I guess this could make the conference tournaments a little more interesting.
 
OSUdoc08 said:
You do realize that Kansas is number 7, right?

1. Illinois
2. North Carolina
3. Kentucky
4. Wake Forest
5. Boston Coll.
6. Duke
7. Kansas

At least 4 of those teams above them have a better record. Sorry---no number 1 sead for Kansas. Their strength of schedule really doesn't interest me, by the way. This isn't the BCS.

well, you're probably right at this point. unless ku can win the big 12 tournament, i dont think we'll get a #1 seed.

you're still entirely incorrect on a couple things, though. for one, it doesn't matter whether you're "interested" in strength of schedule rankings (or rpi ratings for that matter), because you're not on the ncaa tournament commitee--whether people like it or not, the committtee relies heavily on these ratings (along with road/neutral court records and a team's record over their last 10 regular season games) to determine tournament seeding. it's not all based on overall records and polls alone.

BUT, because there are possibly eight or so teams that could make a viable case for a number #1 seed (illinois and north carolina are virtual locks), i think that the conference tournaments are going to be looked at a lot more closely this year, moreso than previous years.
 
Woohoo Heels! :d
 
VPDcurt said:
I guess a flight from North Carolina to Albuquerque isn't considered "trans-national" then? They do the best they can come selection sunday, but this is meaningless because regions are predetermined. There is no telling who gets a #1 seed prior to that. If all teams were East Coast teams that get #1s, someone is going out west. It is common sense.

barring any major upsets in conference tournaments, i think this is how things will work out: illinois will play in chicago, north carolina will play at the carrier dome in NY, a second ACC team (most likely wake forest) will be shipped to austin, TX, and the fourth #1 seed will have to travel to new mexico. i don't think we'll get a clear idea of who the fourth #1 seed will be until after the conference tournament winners are crowned.
 
VPDcurt said:
Bottom line: Kansas couldn't win it all with Collison and Hinrich, so there is no way they are going to pull it off this year. Sorry guys. Oh, by the way, I think Kansas also has the ugliest court in all of college basketball.

thats some strange logic you're using there. i didn't know a current team's fate depended on how the school fared a few years ago. do you even follow college basketball, or do you just like to make idiotic statements like this and try to pass it off as "insight."

sorry but i'm not biting. this year's team is actually deeper than that final four squad, which is what ultimately prevented us from winning it all. truth of the matter is, there have been plenty of ku teams good enough to win the title--but there are many other factors that come in to play in the tournament, most notably coaching, that can be the difference between winning and losing.

and you're right about ku's court--the gigantic jayhawk is borderline tacky and needs to be redesigned.
 
phleebie said:
you're still entirely incorrect on a couple things, though. for one, it doesn't matter whether you're "interested" in strength of schedule rankings (or rpi ratings for that matter), because you're not on the ncaa tournament commitee--whether people like it or not, the committtee relies heavily on these ratings (along with road/neutral court records and a team's record over their last 10 regular season games) to determine tournament seeding. it's not all based on overall records and polls alone.

The RPI is mostly "RIP" in the selection process
In all of our discussion of teams in the mock selection process, the RPI was never mentioned, except to note that it had not been mentioned. Members of the Committee are quick to say, that while the RPI is a big topic of conversation on television and radio, it is rarely uttered in the Committee's work.


Here is the rest of the article
 
VPDcurt said:
Kansas is not the jewel of college basketball. A simple analysis of their "initials" will reveal that they are not the "jewel." There is the University of Kentucky and the University of Kansas. Both should be considered UK. However, Kentucky gets the nod. Why? Because they have a much more storied and successful program, lasting longer than almost any other school in the nation. The University of Kansas has to settle for KU, which doesn't even accurately represent the name of the school.

i'm sorry, i dont mean to keep questioning your intelligence (because this is all just meaningless sports banter) but you've got to be kidding me.

you're going to base a program's place on the totem pole by comparing initials. you're not very bright, are you?

for one, there is actually a great story to this topic that every ku fan knows: kansas originally chose the acronym "KU" because it is a much more "phonetically pleasing" term to say or yell than "UK", and it was easier to rhyme words with in chants and in school songs. true story.

secondly, kansas' basketball program is actually older than kentucky's by a couple of years. are you forgetting that the inventor of the game, the man who started the entire sport on all levels, the honorable Dr. Naismith, was the first coach at KU?

also, Adolph Rupp, the coach who originally brought prominence to kentucky's program, learned the game as a jayhawk under the tutelage of phog allen.

The Kansas tradition is so overwhelming that not only is the Basketball Hall of Fame in Springfield, MA named for Naismith, but it includes eight Jayhawk players and coaches - more than from any other school.

and that "jewel of basketball" quote? i actually stole that from jay bilas, the espn analyst, who mentioned this when college gameday was held in lawrence earlier this year. jay bilas, if you don't know, is a former duke stand-out, and even he relents that kansas, is indeed, the most storied program in college basketball history.
 
phleebie said:
i'm sorry, i dont mean to keep questioning your intelligence (because this is all just meaningless sports banter) but you've got to be kidding me.

you're going to base a program's place on the totem pole by comparing initials. you're not very bright, are you?

for one, there is actually a great story to this topic that every ku fan knows: kansas originally chose the acronym "KU" because it is a much more "phonetically pleasing" term to say or yell than "UK", and it was easier to rhyme words with in chants and in school songs. true story.

secondly, kansas' basketball program is actually older than kentucky's by a couple of years. are you forgetting that the inventor of the game, the man who started the entire sport on all levels, the honorable Dr. Naismith, was the first coach at KU?

also, Adolph Rupp, the coach who originally brought prominence to kentucky's program, learned the game as a jayhawk under the tutelage of phog allen.

The Kansas tradition is so overwhelming that not only is the Basketball Hall of Fame in Springfield, MA named for Naismith, but it includes eight Jayhawk players and coaches - more than from any other school.

and that "jewel of basketball" quote? i actually stole that from jay bilas, the espn analyst, who mentioned this when college gameday was held in lawrence earlier this year. jay bilas, if you don't know, is a former duke stand-out, and even he relents that kansas, is indeed, the most storied program in college basketball history.

First of all, I wasn't being totally serious which you failed to pick up on. Second, I never said that Kentucky was older than "KU." All I said was that Kentucky was one of the oldest programs in the country. I like Jay Bilas, but what he said during College Gameday is meaningless. They always brag about the school from which they are broadcasting. On the first Gameday ever at UConn, they said that they were in the college basketball capital of the world. On saturday at OSU, they said that there is no better place than Stillwater for college basketball. Those things can't be taken seriously. It's like when commentators say things like, "he is the most underrated player in the Big 10." There is really no way of proving that. I am aware of the whole Naismith connection. I've been to the hall of fame a bunch of times. Kentucky has the most wins out of any school in the history of NCAA bball (entering this season with 1,876). We can go on all day, citing opinions on the most storied program. There will be many different variations. I was just stating my own opinion on the matter. Take it or leave it - I really don't care either way.
 
ornis4 said:
I think you're grossly underestimating other teams, especially Illinois in the sense that they have an amazing backcourt, and that is what wins in college basketball. I really don't think they're going to get upset by a cinderella team in a very early round, they're too good for that. Yes their conference is weak but they absolutely destroyed the non-conference opponents they faced, with some very good teams among them.

Second, you have got to get over the Roy Williams thing.

actually, i think illinois has a great team this year--dee brown is the best man-to-man defender i have seen in years. i give credit where credit is due, and illinois has certainly deserved its #1 ranking, but their loss yesterday proves that any great team can have a bad day.

you mentioned that you think illinois is "too good to lose to a cinderalla team."--i think illinois' loss to ohio state speaks for itself. i mean, ohio state is not even going to the big dance, nor are they headed to the NIT (albeit for self-imposed sanctions). no team is invincible, expecially in the tournament.

yet, i also think that illinois' loss was beneficial for them in some ways. now they can forget about all the "perfect season hooplah" and just concentrate on winning games. there will be less distractions coming from the media, and the target on their back is slightly smaller now.

and i am over roy williams, but you have to understand the magnitude of his departure. he flat-out lied to a nation of fans when he said he would finish his career at KU. it was the nature in which he left that left ku fans sour.
 
evajaclynn said:
Phleebie - its good to have you back! I was wondering where you were to help me support our Jayhawks! 🙂

:laugh: yeah, i was gone for awhile, and when i came back i noticed everybody bashing you and talking smack on the jayhawks. most of these people are clueless and i wont rest until the uninformed are corrected.
 
phleebie said:
:laugh: yeah, i was gone for awhile, and when i came back i noticed everybody bashing you and talking smack on the jayhawks. most of these people are clueless and i wont rest until the uninformed are corrected.

Haha. Calling someone clueless based on their opinion which can be validated with supporting information? Whatever floats your boat I guess. It's funny that Roy Williams ditched "the most storied program" in a heartbeat, and even after lying to you guys, to coach at UNC. That is probably why "KU" fans are so angry all the time (well, that and the design on the court). PS - that was a solid game against Missouri.
 
fightingsaint said:
They don't gloss over losses to Villanova and Iowa State either. Kansas will get a 2 seed, but not a 1. There will also not be an early exit for the Illini. Have you watched these guys play?

yes, after ku's loss to missouri, i must concede that we'll probably be given a #2 seed.

and yes, i have seen illinois play. in fact, i some them play yesterday, in a LOSS to ohio state.

when i posted that illinois would see an early exit, i meant earlier then everyone expects. i'm predicting that they'll make it to the elite eight, but that's it.

illinois has some serious size issues in the paint--james augustine is a fine, skilled player, but illinois is really lacking that bruising presence down low that championship teams must have. augustine leads the team in rebounding with a measly 7.0 boards per game. that ain't gonna cut it in the big dance. the loss also proved that illnois lacks any impact players off the bench.

ultimately, every team has its flaws and illinois is no exception. they have a good chance at winning the ncaa title this year, but i think it's foolish to put them (or any other team) on such a high pedestal.
 
phleebie illinois has some serious size issues in the paint--james augustine is a fine said:
I agree with most of this. However, I think that guards are more important in college. Syracuse won the title in 2003 and they had Craig Forth as a center. He is almost unbearable to watch. His lack of talent is painful. I think that you need a great 3 or 4 to make up for a lack of a big man though. I still think Illinois is the best team, but clearly everyone is vulnerable. I'm curious to see how they do in their conference tourney.
 
VPDcurt said:
Check this out

Beating Kentucky that early on doesn't help too much right now. Early season games are significant, but with Kentucky's performance as of late, as well as "KU's" performance as of late, Kentucky gets the nod...sorry. It matters who you beat and where you beat them, but WHEN you beat them is significant as well. Kansas was already a veteran team because of their age; however, Kentucky was a relatively young team.

i think both kentucky and kansas may have lost their #1 seeds yesterday. unc and illinois are locks, wake forest is probable, and the fourth spot is still up in the air.

like i posted earlier, i think the ncaa tournament committee is going to be paying close attention to the conference tournaments, moreso than they normally do because there really are several teams who have earned consideration for a #1 seed.

heck, if boston college can make a good showing in the big east tourney, they may end up with a #1 seed by default.
 
fightingsaint said:
Kentucky's going to lose to Florida tomorrow, which should take them out of contention for a #1 seed.

you called it, bud. 👍
 
VPDcurt said:
The RPI is mostly "RIP" in the selection process
In all of our discussion of teams in the mock selection process, the RPI was never mentioned, except to note that it had not been mentioned. Members of the Committee are quick to say, that while the RPI is a big topic of conversation on television and radio, it is rarely uttered in the Committee's work.


Here is the rest of the article

interesting article. i was always under the impression that RPI's had some sort of relevance. not that it matters now--time to throw all that stuff out the window and just play.
 
VPDcurt said:
First of all, I wasn't being totally serious which you failed to pick up on.

you've made plenty of boneheaded comments throughout this thread, so it's kind of hard to differentiate your sarcasm from your uninformed nonsense.
 
VPDcurt said:
PS - that was a solid game against Missouri.

thanks, it was actually a solid game, considering we didn't have one of our best players in keith langford (who injured his ankle early in the game).

missouri is our ultimate rival, and every game we play against them will be tough, no matter how good the teams are in any given year.

it wouldv'e been a close game even if we had a langford, and i thought ku showed alot of heart to stage a tremendous second-half comeback and make it a close in the end.
 
VPDcurt said:
I still think Illinois is the best team, but clearly everyone is vulnerable. I'm curious to see how they do in their conference tourney.

agreed. all of the major conference tournaments will be very interesting.

although i could definitely see illinois breezing through the big 10 tournament--that loss probably put a fire in the team's belly, so they'll be out for blood in their next few games.
 
ornis4 said:
That's just not true...in theory or reality. Think about it, you never know in a given year where the four top seeds are going to come from, yet the sites are spread out across the country and pre-determined. Teams are going to have to travel, it's inevitable...at least now they rank the number 1's and that at least gives the top one or two regional preference.

actually, it is true, both in theory and in reality. this quote was taken from the jay bilas article that someone posted in this thread:

"The Committee does its level best to protect the first four seed lines by sending those teams as close to home as possible while still adhering to the bracketing procedures. Here, as in many other aspects of the process, Shaheen's assistance is invaluable.

Through his computer, Shaheen has the ability to input a team and determine the closest and farthest regions for each team. From that, the Committee can make informed decisions about where to send each team, and Shaheen's computer programs alert him to any potential conflict with the bracketing procedures. He can then point that out to the Committee so it can make its decisions in an informed manner."

again, my main point is NOT that all #1 seeds will play in their backyards, but that the ncaa tournament committee tries its best to send them as close to home as possible. and like I posted earlier, the sites are predetermined, so not every #1 seed will be completely satisfied.
 
phleebie said:
conference rings may not mean a lot to you during tourney time, but they mean a whole lot to the ncaa tournament committee. bottom line is, osu has pretty much played itself out of a #1 seed. now i know that a #1 seed doesn't guarantee an ncaa crown, but it does guarantee a close, regional setting for all tournament games, except for the final four (which by the way is in st. louis this year). so it looks like jayhawk nation won't have to travel too far from home the entire rest of the season, including the ncaa championship game.

you are right about one thing though: if ku plays osu again, it won't be in historic allen fieldhouse. and you guys do still have a slim chance for a number #1 seed if you happen to win the big 12 tournament.

but it aint gonna happen brother! cause the tournament is in kemper arena, downtown KCMO this year, a return to the glory days where we would dominate this tourney every season (i mean, that's why we switch hosts every few years now, because non-jayhawk fans complained about the un-fair advantage). those are home games for us, man. besides, osu played the best game they could possibly put together and it still wasn't enough. i'm not worried about.

:laugh:

Oklahoma St 78
Kansas 75
 
fightingsaint said:
Kentucky's going to lose to Florida tomorrow, which should take them out of contention for a #1 seed.
what are you smokin?
 
OSUdoc08 said:
:laugh:

Oklahoma St 78
Kansas 75
My thoughts exactly.... I'm still bitter over the rockchalkjawhawk bullshiat as a KY fan... so we'll see u bitches in the tourney. this time, we'll get revenge.

warning: loyalty on SDN, may be larger in real life
 
virilep said:
what are you smokin?

I posted that like a week ago...the day before Kentucky's season-ending loss to Florida. But I think Florida has a good shot to win today too. They're hot, and a win today would really help their seed. If Duke beats G Tech, they should get a 1 seed and look out...that last 1 seed could go to OSU if they win and Kentucky loses to FL.

phleebie...nice delayed reply to my post once something has happened that you can use as an argument. Hey, whatever works. That Ohio State loss was a surprise to everybody, and it really doesn't matter that much. Duke lost to unranked Maryland twice this year...UNC almost lost to Clemson the other day...Wake lost to Florida St earlier in the season. All the top teams have had bad games, but Illinois at their best will be a hard team to beat. They better just hope they don't have to meet up with Gonzaga.
 
VPDcurt said:
Haha. "KU" got a 3 seed.

Boo-yah!

and OSU got a #2.....

have fun with connecticut and north carolina, kansas.....
 
OSUdoc08 said:
Boo-yah!

and OSU got a #2.....

have fun with connecticut and north carolina, kansas.....

I'm happy too - UConn fan here. I wasn't expecting a #2. I still think OSU should have got the #1 over Washington. I guess they picked Washington as a sympathy case.
 
VPDcurt said:
I'm happy too - UConn fan here. I wasn't expecting a #2. I still think OSU should have got the #1 over Washington. I guess they picked Washington as a sympathy case.

Yeah, Wash was kinda random....they aren't even in the top 10.
 
fightingsaint said:
I posted that like a week ago...the day before Kentucky's season-ending loss to Florida. But I think Florida has a good shot to win today too. They're hot, and a win today would really help their seed. If Duke beats G Tech, they should get a 1 seed and look out...that last 1 seed could go to OSU if they win and Kentucky loses to FL.

phleebie...nice delayed reply to my post once something has happened that you can use as an argument. Hey, whatever works. That Ohio State loss was a surprise to everybody, and it really doesn't matter that much. Duke lost to unranked Maryland twice this year...UNC almost lost to Clemson the other day...Wake lost to Florida St earlier in the season. All the top teams have had bad games, but Illinois at their best will be a hard team to beat. They better just hope they don't have to meet up with Gonzaga.
I have "officially" bit my tongue.

check out the bracket thread. SDN Bracket Group
 
Bucknell 64
Kansas 63

Ha ha. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
 
phleebie said:
actually, it is true, both in theory and in reality. this quote was taken from the jay bilas article that someone posted in this thread:

"The Committee does its level best to protect the first four seed lines by sending those teams as close to home as possible while still adhering to the bracketing procedures. Here, as in many other aspects of the process, Shaheen's assistance is invaluable.

Through his computer, Shaheen has the ability to input a team and determine the closest and farthest regions for each team. From that, the Committee can make informed decisions about where to send each team, and Shaheen's computer programs alert him to any potential conflict with the bracketing procedures. He can then point that out to the Committee so it can make its decisions in an informed manner."

again, my main point is NOT that all #1 seeds will play in their backyards, but that the ncaa tournament committee tries its best to send them as close to home as possible. and like I posted earlier, the sites are predetermined, so not every #1 seed will be completely satisfied.


Bucknell???


Go Pokes ! !
 
Stank811 said:
If you are wondering what the hell I am talking about...bottom of page five of this post
Solid prediction of page 5, but I love the Badgers and am excited at the prospects of 2 Wisconsin teams in the sweet 16 providing Madison can dispatch Bucknell tomorrow.
 
Oh my gosh!!!! Wake Forest, you TOTALLY let me down!
 
After a rough 24 hours(Syracuse/BC), and lots of questioning by the TV "experts", West Virginia got a huge win for the Big East tonight. My brackets are basically shot to hell already, so it's about rooting for my beloved UConn and lots of the little guys, and the Big East in general. A few thoughts:
Syracuse...pathetic effort. 57 points after 45 minutes of basketball is hard to comprehend...and if you saw the game, you might be surprised they even reached 57.
BC is shaky, has been all year, played the easiest possible Big East schedule...as compared to UConn, Cuse, Pitt, etc. who all played each other twice. They were exploited tonight, not only as an absurdly demonstrative and almost confrontational group, but a dumb one as well. Stupid basketball, poor execution...and all that after the refs tried repeatedly to let them back in the game.

Kansas....well, I know there are a lot of loyal Jayhawks folks here, so I'll take it easy. Poor performance by an experienced and extremely talented group...let's leave it at that.

UConn...they have to play much better basketball tomorrow to have any chance of moving on. Injuries/suspensions/backcourt depth are problems, but their talent should carry them through...and with a favorable draw now, they really should reach the regional final.

I know there's a lot of talk about parity...and to some extent I agree. But a lot of "elite" teams appear to be playing very poorly or inconsistently thus far as well. Really only UNC, Washington, and maybe Illinois at times have looked completely superior to their competition. The rest of the top teams have had to struggle for everything already. Still, that Wake-WVa game was the game of the tournament, very well played. After the first day, the tournament was lacking excitement, but the upsets last night and the finish tonight brought the intensity level up dramatically.
Let's go UConn...
 
YzIa said:
Solid prediction of page 5, but I love the Badgers and am excited at the prospects of 2 Wisconsin teams in the sweet 16 providing Madison can dispatch Bucknell tomorrow.

Yeah, that would be amazing since the Wisconsin bball showing has been confined to Madison lately. I miss the days when Marquette was also a force in the tourney 🙁 .
 
ornis4 said:
Kansas....well, I know there are a lot of loyal Jayhawks folks here, so I'll take it easy. Poor performance by an experienced and extremely talented group...let's leave it at that.

Thanks for being kind. We ended our season pretty poorly. 🙁
 
evajaclynn said:
Thanks for being kind. We ended our season pretty poorly. 🙁

Well, my UConn followed suit, although this was supposed to be a "rebuilding" year. Still, bad losses all around. Unless Villanova comes up huge, UNC appears to have an open road to St. Louis.
 
VPDcurt said:
As a Pac-10 team, I am willing to guarantee you that they don't make it to the Elite 8.

Posted on 2/28/05. Great call - it's so easy and effective to bet against the Pac-10.
 
Way to go Cats! WHOOO!
 
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