In some ways, they do. Nurses do a lot of the nitty, gritty stuff that doctors aren't willing to do and feel is beneath them. In some ways, they do work harder than doctors.
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Short term memory loss.WELL then how come you don't have a 545 MCAT???
Do you sthuffer from short term memb-memb-membory loss? ( Finding Dory)
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Yeah, but why bother rustling the jimmies?!? LOL
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I legitimately do. BTW my definition of working harder is doing the dirty work and longer hours. Nurse working 12 hr shifts cleaning a patient that **** himself is way worse than being a doctor lol
As a medical student, you should have your facts in order prior to making inaccurate statements (though it doesnt seem to impact the current president).
The term midlevel is formally opposed by the major American professional associations of Nurse Practitioners, Physician Assistants, and Nurses in general as well as some professional Physician Associations
American Academy of Physician Assistants
https://www.aapa.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Policy-Manual-16-17.pdf
HP-3100.1.3AAPA believes that, whenever possible, PAs should be referred to as “physician assistants” and not combined with other providers in inclusive non-specific terms such as “midlevel practitioner”, “advanced practice clinician”, or “advanced practice provider”.[Adopted 2008, reaffirmed 2013]
American Pediatric Surgical Nurses Association
http://c.ymcdn.com/sites/www.apsna....n-statements/PositionStatement_MLP_Final_.pdf
APSNA Position: APSNA endorses the consensus statement issued by AANP on the use of terms such as mid-level provider and physician extender.
Emergency Nurses Association
https://www.ena.org/SiteCollectionDocuments/Position Statements/Joint/AANPNPConsensusStatement.pdf
ENA Position: ENA endorses the consensus statement issued by AANP on the use of terms such as mid-level provider and physician extender.
Medicare/CMS
https://www.acep.org/Clinical---Practice-Management/Medicare-Mid-Level-Provider-FAQ/
FAQ 1. What is a Non-Physician Practitioner (NPP) and how does the definition apply in the ED? What is the appropriate terminology for NPs and PAs in the ED?
An NPP in the ED is defined by Medicare as either a nurse practitioner (NP) or a physician assistant (PA). Of note, there is no agreed upon terminology that encompasses NPs and PAs in the ED. In grouping these providers, the DEA uses the term "midlevels" while the Federal agencies use a variety of references. For the sake of this FAQ, NPs and PAs will be referred to as advanced practice providers (APPs), as this seems to be gaining favor.
American College of Emergency Physicians (in support of Society of Emergency Medicine Physician Assistants)
http://www.acepnow.com/title-physician-assistant
The policy of the Society of Emergency Medicine Physician Assistants (SEMPA) is that physician assistants should only be referred to by the title “physician assistant” or the common abbreviation PA. In the case of an emergency medicine physician assistant, the abbreviation EMPA is also acceptable.
SEMPA opposes the use of terminology such as mid-level provider, physician extender, physician’s assistant, and non-physician provider when referring to a physician assistant.
It should also be noted the term "Mid-Level-Provider" was formally defined and implemented as a final rule by the DEA in 1993 in order provide a classification for
"DEA registrations granting controlled substances privileges consistent with the authority granted them under state law." Undoubtedly, this is where the term flowed from down thru state regulation in order to closely match terminology from the DEA.
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But they do practice osteopathy as well , dont they?
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You're still an undergrad. Don't get cocky/entitled just yet. 😉
Do you seriously believe a doctor would be willing to clean a patient who s*** themselves? Do you really think nurses don't deserve recognition for that? You aren't even a medical student yet?
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It was a grumpy dog. It was to represent a grumpy face.
My kitten in a bowl is cuter.
ooo has this thread derailed to dog vs cat now?
yes. i find it ironic how you want others to stop stereotyping nurses/nps, while you are doing the same
yes. i find it ironic how you want others to stop stereotyping nurses/nps, while you are doing the same
okay sorry. It's just that some docs do consider that to be a "nurses job" while simultaneously degrading nurses. Kind of like when people say " stay in school or you'll be a loser who works at McDonalds" but still eats BigMacs at like 2 am.
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Nobody responded to this. I'm assuming everyone's content with this and agrees with it completely.
Hey if we're moving this onto a doggo v. cates debate lemme grab my meme flashdrive, I got a billion pics saved for this kinda stuff
No, we are ignoring a high school student who has not idea about anything.
@mwsapphire you are absolutely right.
the issue is that those people probably fail to realize that every role (whether it be PA, NP, MD, lab tech) is essential for a good healthcare team. there are different roles for a reason--doesn't mean one is "better" than another. it's just the way it has to be for us to give good patient care (which i am sure you know, but this is for all the people who think their education or position makes them "superior" to everyone).
but on the flip side, i also think that there are some nurses/pas/nps who should also give that same understanding towards physicians who are the leaders of the healthcare team. both sides are guilty of this, which possibly has the potential in hurting the patient in the long run
..and i'm all for doggo =)
the issue is that those people probably fail to realize that every role (whether it be PA, NP, MD, lab tech) is essential for a good healthcare team. there are different roles for a reason--doesn't mean one is "better" than another. it's just the way it has to be for us to give good patient care (which i am sure you know, but this is for all the people who think their education or position makes them "superior" to everyone).
but on the flip side, i also think that there are some nurses/pas/nps who should also give that same understanding towards physicians who are the leaders of the healthcare team. both sides are guilty of this, which possibly has the potential in hurting the patient in the long run
..and i'm all for doggo =)
I actually interpreted as having a dog in this fight, but it appears I was barking up the wrong tree
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Assuming you're somehow smarter than a high school student is pitiful, and a fallacy.
However it's clear in this case that, because my comment is completely correct, you don't have anything to say in response. You instead resort to childish insults and criticism because either: you're unsatisfied with some present life issues, or you feel that you'll suppress your inferiority complex by typing it out in an angry way.
I can be your therapist. Private message me.
lol. I hope you dont have a cringe induced heart attack reading this in 5 years.
Direction of this thread
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Don't be hatin' on my boy @libertyyne lol
What're the right reasons to get a thread locked? Is it partying too hard?
A lot of self-righteous premeds in this thread. Just post your opinion and move on, kids.
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Yessssss!
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It's true. Instead of refuting my comment, you're still talking like a sixth grader.
Grow up and comment against it, libertyyne. Don't disappoint your parents.
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Nuh uh!
You must be having a ruff time then
Man, I would start taking Asprin right now. It might just be a widow maker if you keep this up.
It doesn't make anyone an dingus, it's just one of those things that's mildly annoying to someone that's in a particular field, like calling an EMT an ambulance driver. It's just annoying, as it implies something different than reality, but no one's going to think much of it aside from an "ugh."
That's why we're osteopathic physicians. Osteopaths are not physicians, hence by calling a DO an osteopath, you are implying they are not physicians. It's a nomenclature thing, but, as jdh would say, words mean things.
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Absolutely pathetic. You're playing word games with a high school student instead of supporting your criticism against him.
I'm going to enroll you in IBSL Philosophy next semester...
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Dude. that was a joke XD
What is fascinating in this entire thing is that is that PA's arent offended by the term, it seems like NPs take the most offense. It might just speak to the political agenda NPs have to gain full autonomy.
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That would be surrendering your position and admitting defeat.
This thread has run its course.
Closing
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