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mota tukra said:
Utah sent interviews in early feb,my friend interviewing there.
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I Have not heard from oklahoma,kaiser LA yet,They have sent rejections as per this web,i dont know if they have started interviewing yet.what does that means ?
 
anyone recieve rejections or interviews from the phily programs such as drexel etc ?
1 interview from tulane. any thoughts ?
 
Lankneau, Lehigh Valley, and Allegheny are inviting
I believe Albert einstein and upenn have sent rejections...don't know about any others...
 
BIDMC Rejection..by Snail Mail this AM
 
New interviews from UAB, Vandy and Beth Israel Deaconess (Boston) this week. BIDMC was by snail mail.
 
St Louis University sent invites last week via email.
 
Anyone heard from St. E's, St. Vincent's, or Baystate in MA? What NY programs have people heard from?
 
ariz77 said:
Well both of you guys have pointed some obvious and good points. How ever if you analyze this situation from a very neutral perspective there are a few things that I would like to mention.

1) There are no favours being done both ways. If it was not the for the IMGs half of the hospital in US would close down. IMGs provide an extremely valubale service to the US health care system. To produce an MD is an extremely expensive process and require a lot resources, and by bringing in IMGs and making them go through a standardized system, US health industry fill up the gap practicaly for free . To open up medical schools and make up for this deficit would cost an arm and a leg. So really the system is actualy benefiting rather than being altruistic here.

2) On the other hand IMGs come here as they do not have ample training opportunities in their own countries, again its sfor the IMGs own benefit which makes them move rather than a pure altruistic drive. As you said it is a symbiotic relationship.

3) Now having said all this, if the people who are investing quite a bit of their resources are not able to get what they aspire ( i.e AMGs) then the system would collapse and people would use their resources in some other venture rather than going to medical school, and that will bring the system down.

Never the less keeping in view all these factors, there should be some what more level playing field than it is currently as I personaly have heard discriminatory comments from the PDs.
I am not sure what that system should be though, but it should be more skewed towards benefiting merit.

No offence intended, just a dispasionate view of the situation.
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My potential conflict of interest: I am from India

Very interesting viewpoints. Thank you for sharing and stimulating thought. In my opinion, US should be seen in terms of its wide global appeal. People who were born here and schooled here will obviously believe that there stakes are more pronounced and should be given precedence. And I would have probably done that if I was born here and had faced hardships in securing positions at sought places. But what I would have ignored by doing that is the goliath intellectual and financial appeal of the grand American experiment that means a world to people around the planet. It is the land of opportunity that no other country can ever get close to become at least in near future. We can see how the wall street fall has taken the world with it and even not-so-US-friendly nations are frantically paging uncle sam.
Now these different point of views(global and national) create identity conflict among the people who come here to be a part of the experiment and also, among those who have been here. So there will always be discussions about who is more deserving. But whats worth celebrating here is that the system is purely merit based(and hence fair in my opinion) and works for the common good of everyone(all stakeholders including the patients) by attracting the best from within and from without.
Now if there is anything called the "IMG prejudice", isnt that expected in any human society? One may argue that the levels of such bias is lower than anywhere else. And one may justify it by providing a theoretical explanation. There is a definite need for a structured curriculum based training in a candidate's resume. IMGs may fall short of proving(proof=documentation in an acceptable format) that theirs was the case. Words(sincere though they may be) and research may not be able to convince a selection committee of one's motivation, training standards and cultural congruency. The only gold-standard way to show that, would be, by being raised and by being observed here. And hence US grads deserve the bias(if there is any assuming the need for workforce has been addressed) in a pragmatic universe. Any thoughts?
 
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My thoughts are that the US state and national governments need to stop being such cheapskates and actually fund some more medical school spots for US students so that we actually produce some number of graduating med students that is a bit closer to the number of residency spots that we have.

I have nothing against FMG's and in fact have several FMG friends, but our system in the US is just crazy. We have all these US college students who are qualified to go to med school, yet every year we are rejecting a whole bunch of them just because we have not nearly enough spots in med school to fill our residencies. We have people who got some of the highest academic honors in their colleges and then scored >> the national average on the MCAT and did all these volunteer hours in hospitals, etc. plus other service hours, yet still some of them just won't be able to get into ANY med school. They may give up, just wait another year, or become desperate and go to the Caribbean or some other country just to try and get a medical education. This is despite the fact that these students and their families have been paying taxes to the US and state governments which fund medical care and medical education. Yet every year we import thousands and thousands of students from other nations to fill up our residencies...I think IM has maybe at most 60-65% US students or so. It just doesn't make any sense from an objective standpoint. Sure, it makes sense to have some level of immigration, particularly for faculty who are famous/brilliant in their fields, but it doesn't make sense to exclude lots and lots of bright, qualified young US students from the entire training system before they even begin, and then bring in an equal number of bright young people from other countries.

However, I certainly don't blame individual FMG's for coming here and taking advantage of a good opportunity, and most of them are very smart, given they all passed the USMLE and for some of them English is not even their 1st/main language.
 
dragonfly99 said:
My thoughts are that the US state and national governments need to stop being such cheapskates and actually fund some more medical school spots for US students so that we actually produce some number of graduating med students that is a bit closer to the number of residency spots that we have.

I have nothing against FMG's and in fact have several FMG friends, but our system in the US is just crazy. We have all these US college students who are qualified to go to med school, yet every year we are rejecting a whole bunch of them just because we have not nearly enough spots in med school to fill our residencies. We have people who got some of the highest academic honors in their colleges and then scored >> the national average on the MCAT and did all these volunteer hours in hospitals, etc. plus other service hours, yet still some of them just won't be able to get into ANY med school. They may give up, just wait another year, or become desperate and go to the Caribbean or some other country just to try and get a medical education. This is despite the fact that these students and their families have been paying taxes to the US and state governments which fund medical care and medical education. Yet every year we import thousands and thousands of students from other nations to fill up our residencies...I think IM has maybe at most 60-65% US students or so. It just doesn't make any sense from an objective standpoint. Sure, it makes sense to have some level of immigration, particularly for faculty who are famous/brilliant in their fields, but it doesn't make sense to exclude lots and lots of bright, qualified young US students from the entire training system before they even begin, and then bring in an equal number of bright young people from other countries.

However, I certainly don't blame individual FMG's for coming here and taking advantage of a good opportunity, and most of them are very smart, given they all passed the USMLE and for some of them English is not even their 1st/main language.
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Well, from a very local and individualistic perspective you do have a point, but unfortunately the economic policy makers do not think in terms of individuals, they think in terms of the system as a whole. If you open enough medical schools and facilities tp fill the gap the cost that would be required to foot the bill would be such that it would divert the resources spent on medicare, medicaid , reimbursements to doctors and other medical serivices . This in the bigger scheme of things is actually detrimental in the to the whole system. There might be a better balance perhaps but not completely in onbe direction. US goverment doesnt spend money on this because they are cheap, they dont do it because its not economicaly viable in t he worng run.

As far as the gentleman who spoke about the global experiment, which is America. All I can say its good to be a dreamer, but behind every dream there are some hard facts that someone has to deal with.🙂
No offence intended people🙂 Have a nice weekend.
 
ariz77 said:
Well, from a very local and individualistic perspective you do have a point, but unfortunately the economic policy makers do not think in terms of individuals, they think in terms of the system as a whole. If you open enough medical schools and facilities tp fill the gap the cost that would be required to foot the bill would be such that it would divert the resources spent on medicare, medicaid , reimbursements to doctors and other medical serivices . This in the bigger scheme of things is actually detrimental in the to the whole system. There might be a better balance perhaps but not completely in onbe direction. US goverment doesnt spend money on this because they are cheap, they dont do it because its not economicaly viable in t he worng run.

As far as the gentleman who spoke about the global experiment, which is America. All I can say its good to be a dreamer, but behind every dream there are some hard facts that someone has to deal with.🙂
No offence intended people🙂 Have a nice weekend.
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Thank you for your comments Dr Ariz77. I wish my comments were better dispatched(may be my wrong choice of words). What I was highlighting was, hard facts apart, most of us are driven by the dream. And this one can be the most overwhelming of all. IMGs may complain of hardships, but they rarely if ever regret coming here for again the level(almost) playing ground brings the best out of each. Dr William Osler was an IMG who was dragged( I think so) by the dream and build the leading intellectual shrine with his dedication. Many other Oslers made financially stable environments for themselves and their family. This may serve to answer as to "why". But yes, "how" is a continuous matter of debate. Hardfacts, as you said, are really enduring and sometimes devastating.
 
dragonfly99 said:
My thoughts are that the US state and national governments need to stop being such cheapskates and actually fund some more medical school spots for US students so that we actually produce some number of graduating med students that is a bit closer to the number of residency spots that we have.

I have nothing against FMG's and in fact have several FMG friends, but our system in the US is just crazy. We have all these US college students who are qualified to go to med school, yet every year we are rejecting a whole bunch of them just because we have not nearly enough spots in med school to fill our residencies. We have people who got some of the highest academic honors in their colleges and then scored >> the national average on the MCAT and did all these volunteer hours in hospitals, etc. plus other service hours, yet still some of them just won't be able to get into ANY med school. They may give up, just wait another year, or become desperate and go to the Caribbean or some other country just to try and get a medical education. This is despite the fact that these students and their families have been paying taxes to the US and state governments which fund medical care and medical education. Yet every year we import thousands and thousands of students from other nations to fill up our residencies...I think IM has maybe at most 60-65% US students or so. It just doesn't make any sense from an objective standpoint. Sure, it makes sense to have some level of immigration, particularly for faculty who are famous/brilliant in their fields, but it doesn't make sense to exclude lots and lots of bright, qualified young US students from the entire training system before they even begin, and then bring in an equal number of bright young people from other countries.

However, I certainly don't blame individual FMG's for coming here and taking advantage of a good opportunity, and most of them are very smart, given they all passed the USMLE and for some of them English is not even their 1st/main language.
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I think your comments need to be heard by those in power. I think they are valid. Schooling years, anywhere in the world, are tough and if a student sincerely wants to be a doctor and he/she volunteers, does research and most importantly is a motivated dreamer, he/she deserves to be one. Plus we can may be stop worrying about shortage of workforce. Again, the system may be crazy here but having experienced systems elsewhere, I think all have their in competencies. There is always a room for improvement.
 
I know its stressful time ,but please avoid any political statements hurting any body,whether IMG/AMG.Nearly every body here is immigrant,if not directly him/her, his or her parents or grand parents are!America is a nation of immigrants. Its the Greatness of this nation......IMG come here and they contribute to this society and we are proud of them.Obama is an example!!!!!!is not that cool!!!!!!!
 
i know that over the recent days the rate of interview invites has slowed but please refrain from turning this thread into a hot topic discussion, if you feel the need to continue this argument consider starting a new thread.

lets try to keep this thread focused on interview invites/rejects and related discussion. thanks. 😀
 
mota tukra said:
I know its stressful time ,but please avoid any political statements hurting any body,whether IMG/AMG.Nearly every body here is immigrant,if not directly him/her, his or her parents or grand parents are!America is a nation of immigrants. Its the Greatness of this nation......IMG come here and they contribute to this society and we are proud of them.Obama is an example!!!!!!is not that cool!!!!!!!
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Thanks Mota Tukra,

I am Kool, however programs think otherwise (just 3 invites)

Agree with Optimus prime, we should talk about interviews on this thread..

Do you guys think the game is over or can I expect more action in March?
 
Is it Cleveland Clinic, Cleveland or Florida.

Does anyone know if U of Toledo has started sending out invites or rejections???
 
Univ of Toledo..Interview..Just Now
 
university of louisville interview today
 
Rejection from Arizona today.
 
Please share
CCF Cleveland?
CWRU?
Beaumont?
UofM?
MSU?
St John?
Providence?
Henry Ford?
Wayne State?
U of Cinncinati?
Indiana State?
 
bulldog3 said:
Please share
CCF Cleveland?
CWRU?
Beaumont?
UofM?
MSU?
St John?
Providence?
Henry Ford?
Wayne State?
U of Cinncinati?
Indiana State?
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from your list-IVs at Beumont, Henry Ford last week by email. Cincinnatti said they have narrowed it down to 160 or so and will get back to us. Rejection at U of M. MSU on their website say they do not even review apps until march. hope that helps
 
gerald78 said:
from your list-IVs at Beumont, Henry Ford last week by email. Cincinnatti said they have narrowed it down to 160 or so and will get back to us. Rejection at U of M. MSU on their website say they do not even review apps until march. hope that helps
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Thanks Gerald for the reply.
 
bulldog3 said:
rejection from CCF, Mayo, URMC, IV from UofT.
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Hey Bulldog, did u contact CCF for application status or they sent you a rejection by itself. It seems like someone else got rejection 1-2 week back. I wonder if they are not going to say anything to rest of us if we dont contact them??
 
roxid said:
Hey Bulldog, did u contact CCF for application status or they sent you a rejection by itself. It seems like someone else got rejection 1-2 week back. I wonder if they are not going to say anything to rest of us if we dont contact them??
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I called them, and they said they will contact me..this was followed by a rejection.
 
bulldog3 said:
I called them, and they said they will contact me..this was followed by a rejection.
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That means, I am already rejected..they are just acting nice (or not nice) by not telling me...oh well!!!
 
OptimusPrime said:
i know that over the recent days the rate of interview invites has slowed but please refrain from turning this thread into a hot topic discussion, if you feel the need to continue this argument consider starting a new thread.

lets try to keep this thread focused on interview invites/rejects and related discussion. thanks. 😀
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Thats what i meant! all those who want to discuss any thing else they should start thread any where else.
 
Any one heard About invites from Kaiser permanente LA ,CCF...
 
Kaiser LA has given out IVs, i'm not sure but i think at this point if you're not rejected should consider yourself waitlisted
 
interview university of Louisville and NY methodist. rej u of a
 
Rejection from Jefferson today and IV at UMDNJ-RWJ last week.

But, Jefferson thinks my qualifications are exzcellent and they wished me success with my future endeavors.

So I have that going for me.
 
So I got sick of waiting around called several programs and got phone rejected by a good number, nothing good unfortunately.

FYI:
Montefiore - sending out interviews later this week
Advocate lutheran - all interviews have been sent out
Advocate masonic - will send out interviews later this week, early next week
Loyola - interviews still being sent out but majority have been sent
CPMC - down to 100 applicants, will start sending out interview invites later this week
USC - still making decisions
Kaiser Norcal - still making decisions
 
BIDMC (snail mail) and Jefferson(email)🙁
 
Rejections:

BIDMC
Thomas Jefferson
University of Toledo
 
Montfiore Interview Yesterday.

Rejections: Mayo, Thomas Jefferson, George Washington.
 
Just out of curiosity,

Does anybody have a sense of how competitive it is this year compared to prior years? Not that we have a way to really measure. I am just curious if anyone has heard anything through the grapevine (ie mentors or fellowship directors)

I guess I am just surprised how poorly I have done with interview invites compared to some of my colleagues in the past with not as strong of an application.
 
anyone hear from university of pittsburgh?
 
synergy32 said:
Just out of curiosity,

Does anybody have a sense of how competitive it is this year compared to prior years? Not that we have a way to really measure. I am just curious if anyone has heard anything through the grapevine (ie mentors or fellowship directors)

I guess I am just surprised how poorly I have done with interview invites compared to some of my colleagues in the past with not as strong of an application.
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Well I have heard at least in the boston area, there is an exceptionally large number of candidates from the local hospitals.
 
IV methodist, SUNY downstat, cincinnati
Re; U of myriland, U of arizona.
 
FYI: I know two people that have gotten Pitts interviews. They just haven't rejected anybody yet.
 
Did anyone else get this email from Montefiore:

"There have been a few questions posed in reference to the email that I sent out yesterday, so I am going to clarify.
By now you have received notice that you have been selected to interview at Montefiore Medical Center and hopefully you have been scheduled for that interview.
At this time I ask that if you have an addendum (something added, or a
supplement to) to your ERAS application please email it to me..."

Just curious, did they send this to everyone or just people they are interviewing. I never received a notice about an interview and can't get ahold of anyone there.

 
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