Case presentation during ward rounds or bedside teaching

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Hi Everyone. I'm currently in my paeds posting for the first time, this is my second posting after community medicine. So, I really need help on how to do and what to include in case presentations to the specialist. Firstly, i tend to include all the info i obtained from history taking. But i got scolded from the lecturer saying that i must only include relevant and important points and don't waste his time. The problem is i don't know how to judge the importance of the points that should be included in the case presentation. Please help me. Thank you.
 
In general don't do a full H&P for patients who are not brand new -- there's nothing more painful or irrelevant than hearing a student list a 6-day-old review of systems. Just do a SOAP-style presentation (although you should certainly try and know the full backstory).

As far as knowing what's pertinent, it should be part experience and part common-sense; pertinent positives/negatives are going to be different for every disease process and that part takes experience, but it's common sense to associate a disease with a particular set of body systems and highlight your presentation accordingly. A child with asthma for example, obviously highlight the respiratory system. Vitals (always vitals), breath sounds, presence/absence of retractions, chest X-ray findings, subjectively how the patient feels, etc. Not so important would be their MCV or %monocytes, right?

Later on the experience parts kicks in, and you'll know that steroid treatments for example cause certain things to happen in the labs and maybe on physical exam, and you can add this information to your presentation. You might learn the way we classify asthma and put it together with the child's history to really add something to the assessment/plan.

For now though, clues can come from several sources. The previous day's note should be your first go-to, as it should clearly spell out the pertinent stuff to be done that day. The next is a textbook; you should be looking up information on diseases processes at every opportunity, and this information should guide you in what to be looking for each day. Finally, run the case by your intern each morning. Students often uncover tidbits that we may have overlooked ('cause we're carrying 7 patients instead of just 2), and generally we can give you a little insight and some tips (Dr. X loves to ask about the difference between drugs y and z). That way everybody looks good and the patient gets better care.
 
Thank you so much Tic. That really helped me a lot. Now i'm much more confident during my case presentations and the lecturer praised me for the improvements. Its all due to your advice, i really appreciate it a lot. One more thing, to arrive to a provisional or differential diagnosis, i usually start by analysing the signs and symptoms and work out from there. Its fine with me but its time consuming to go through each and every symptom if the list goes to about 4 or 5, you know. Is there any other simpler ways to do it during the ward rounds? Anyone out there with any ideas or advice or perhaps past experience? Thanks a lot, this is a great site to learn and share our medical knowledge. Well done.
 
Its fine with me but its time consuming to go through each and every symptom if the list goes to about 4 or 5, you know. Is there any other simpler ways to do it during the ward rounds?

What brought the patient to the hospital? What things can cause that? What can we do about it? What is the patient's baseline (what is the goal, the point at which the patient has reached maximum practical benefit of being here)? Keeping these things in mind will help you not get lost in the daily minutiae of care.

You see a pt in the ED c/o shortness of breath. Your further questioning and chart biopsy will unearth a crapload of other symptoms/complaints/problems. You're not going to magically cure this person of being a 85 years old. You can't cure his insomnia, his constipation, his occasional headache or joint pain. It's important to note these things in your A/P so your intern can maybe write for a sedative, stool softener, and oral pain med. But there's no reason to formulate a huge differential on insomnia because it doesn't matter, his insomnia didn't bring him to the hospital and shouldn't keep him from going home.

That's the easy patient, the common sense kind of thing like I was talking about before. You'll very quickly learn to identify the different bread-and-butter causes of bread-and-butter complaints for each specialty. Abdominal pain on surgery, vaginal bleeding on OB, chest pain on medicine, whatever. These things will gradually group together in your mind to form the 'routine' patient, and you'll be able to rattle off those differentials no sweat. Then when you get a patient who doesn't fit snugly into a picture it sort of becomes second nature to pay closer attention to the 'other' symptoms and modify your care and your differential accordingly.
 
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