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I'm a measly 2nd assist (aka do the same 'responsibilities' as clinical rotations) as a nontrad premed. This surgeon is a complete pain in the you know where, pimps like no other then makes fun, degrades, openly says women should not be surgeons, treats all the med students like sh** (you know the drill) EXCEPT for his favorite pet project.

Well this big-headed attending is also a perfection controlling soccer coach to his 5-year-old son's team at a YMCA. Literally, he makes them run 4 miles at practice. They are FIVE. The best part? I volunteer there and help the sports coordinator maintain the soccer teams.

After a long day of cases I go up to the OR board and notice big-headed attending had an open belly case. Knowing that all med students run away from this attending, I knew someone had to assist him, but figured his pet project boy would automatically get the spot. Or so I thought. Apparently pet project boy had to leave early to go to class, so who gets the case? ME. Shocked and not knowing why pet project boy was not in the case, I sarcastically told the surgeon I figured he wanted his boy to assist (one benefit on not receiving a grade /eval). He turns around with his cocky little attitude and said, "well yeah, of course I want the cities most talented second assist on my team". That's like saying, "yeah, I want the best retractor B on my team" seriously what differentiates the superior ability to hold a retractor? I can hold my bladder for 24 hours. I stood there and stared at him as if I was represented all the med students he belittled every day for the past god knows how many years and decided that NO I was not going to allow him to bully me today. The great thing is, I knew his weak spot: his pursuance at being the best at SPORTS.

The convo:

ME (randomly): so did your son make the all-star team?
DR: ALL STAR TEAM? What are you talking about ? There is NO all star team!
ME: Well the YMCA strives to decrease tension and competitiveness between the leagues, but the coordinators do select an all-star team from each YMCA to represent their location to play the other YMCA all-star teams.
DR: Why havent I heard of this?!?
ME: I guess you never had a player nominated .....

.....SILENCE.......😕😕

ME: we usually only pick the kids we like, you know, like our PET PROJECTS

...............SILENCE................😱😱

(no throwing of instruments, no degrading words, no cursing, no slapping on the hands)

DR: visibly upset Well EVERY player on my team should be on the ALL STAR team, we have the BEST kids on my team. Better than any other kid out there and my son is the BEST player on the BEST team.

ME: look up and smile (i win) ..... by the way, I have your balls.
DR: All my balls?! I've been looking for them!

For the first time I've made jerk face the laughing stalk of the room

ME: Yeah, so be nice or I'll be sure to cut the sack give them to the less fortunate kids at the Y

Oh yeah, there is no such thing as an all-star team. I made it up to see him sweat at the though that he was inferior. :naughty:

I feel like I won a small victory for all med students everywhere that face the worst ego surgeons and can't do anything about it. 😎🙄
 
High five broski.
 
I'm sure it felt good, there are definitely some attendings out there that need this. Have a feeling it will bite you in the butt though...

Survivor DO
 
Not sure how much I believe this story, but high five. I hated the bully surgeons and sometimes I def feel like it would have been worth it to stand up to them (was not usually my experience on surgery, but still).

Granted, this could totally hurt you later on.
 
Vachata said:
I'm a measly 2nd assist (aka do the same 'responsibilities' as clinical rotations) as a nontrad premed. This surgeon is a complete pain in the you know where, pimps like no other then makes fun, degrades, openly says women should not be surgeons, treats all the med students like sh** (you know the drill) EXCEPT for his favorite pet project.

Well this big-headed attending is also a perfection controlling soccer coach to his 5-year-old son's team at a YMCA. Literally, he makes them run 4 miles at practice. They are FIVE. The best part? I volunteer there and help the sports coordinator maintain the soccer teams.

After a long day of cases I go up to the OR board and notice big-headed attending had an open belly case. Knowing that all med students run away from this attending, I knew someone had to assist him, but figured his pet project boy would automatically get the spot. Or so I thought. Apparently pet project boy had to leave early to go to class, so who gets the case? ME. Shocked and not knowing why pet project boy was not in the case, I sarcastically told the surgeon I figured he wanted his boy to assist (one benefit on not receiving a grade /eval). He turns around with his cocky little attitude and said, "well yeah, of course I want the cities most talented second assist on my team". That's like saying, "yeah, I want the best retractor B on my team" seriously what differentiates the superior ability to hold a retractor? I can hold my bladder for 24 hours. I stood there and stared at him as if I was represented all the med students he belittled every day for the past god knows how many years and decided that NO I was not going to allow him to bully me today. The great thing is, I knew his weak spot: his pursuance at being the best at SPORTS.

The convo:

ME (randomly): so did your son make the all-star team?
DR: ALL STAR TEAM? What are you talking about ? There is NO all star team!
ME: Well the YMCA strives to decrease tension and competitiveness between the leagues, but the coordinators do select an all-star team from each YMCA to represent their location to play the other YMCA all-star teams.
DR: Why havent I heard of this?!?
ME: I guess you never had a player nominated .....

.....SILENCE.......😕😕

ME: we usually only pick the kids we like, you know, like our PET PROJECTS

...............SILENCE................😱😱

(no throwing of instruments, no degrading words, no cursing, no slapping on the hands)

DR: visibly upset Well EVERY player on my team should be on the ALL STAR team, we have the BEST kids on my team. Better than any other kid out there and my son is the BEST player on the BEST team.

ME: look up and smile (i win) ..... by the way, I have your balls.
DR: All my balls?! I've been looking for them!

For the first time I've made jerk face the laughing stalk of the room

ME: Yeah, so be nice or I'll be sure to cut the sack give them to the less fortunate kids at the Y

Oh yeah, there is no such thing as an all-star team. I made it up to see him sweat at the though that he was inferior. :naughty:

I feel like I won a small victory for all med students everywhere that face the worst ego surgeons and can't do anything about it. 😎🙄
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You're my hero.
 
I don't doubt this guy is a jerk, but there are people who have no idea how to retract, just like there are medical students who don't know how to use scissors or suction. I'd say half the time when someone complains about an attending like this, they really don't have a good perspective to understand what is going on and the reality is the guy is pretty darn normal.
 
mimelim said:
I don't doubt this guy is a jerk, but there are people who have no idea how to retract, just like there are medical students who don't know how to use scissors or suction. I'd say half the time when someone complains about an attending like this, they really don't have a good perspective to understand what is going on and the reality is the guy is pretty darn normal.
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You are right, there are plenty of med students who do not know (yet) how to retract. However, I do this as my JOB - I'm a camera holder/retracter/assister B for a living. Cardio and vascular surgeries are how I RELAX. After retracting for all the surgeons all day, every day, you know exactly what they like and you definitely know how to retract. Not being egotistical (bc come on, I'm the absolute lowest on the totem pole at the table), but I've assisted in every specialty except neuro. There are other horrible Attendings, one even has a rep for making over 90% of his RESIDENTS pass out, that I'm okay with. I can handle mean and yelling, especially when they are trying to correct me. It prepares me to be a better (potential) future med student and resident.

This guy even makes management not allow the other general surgeons to use the flex cameras and other instruments. He isn't even employed by the hospital, all the other attendings HATE him and he was fired from his previous group.

And yeah, the attending's pet project boy always tries to get me fired and the attending always takes his side. I research all forefront surgeries, procedures and really try to learn when I'm assisting, so all the other surgeons appreciate my work and stand up for me. I have 5 different private practices offering me a job, so I think I will be okay. Also, I'm President of a nonprofit and have 4 attendings on my board. Partially why I've been brave enough to not allow this doucher to walk over me like a doormat.
 
ArcGurren said:
Not sure how much I believe this story, but high five. I hated the bully surgeons and sometimes I def feel like it would have been worth it to stand up to them (was not usually my experience on surgery, but still).

Granted, this could totally hurt you later on.
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Come on, do you think if I made up a story I would have made it much more..... fascinating? At least a better story line, have him yell at me, me break scrub and walk out half way through the procedure or something ?

See above how it bites me in the butt with the addition of not really getting the opportunity to scrub in for him, but I really don't like to be around him anyways. 👎
 
Vachata said:
You are right, there are plenty of med students who do not know (yet) how to retract. However, I do this as my JOB - I'm a camera holder/retracter/assister B for a living. Cardio and vascular surgeries are how I RELAX. After retracting for all the surgeons all day, every day, you know exactly what they like and you definitely know how to retract. Not being egotistical (bc come on, I'm the absolute lowest on the totem pole at the table), but I've assisted in every specialty except neuro. There are other horrible Attendings, one even has a rep for making over 90% of his RESIDENTS pass out, that I'm okay with. I can handle mean and yelling, especially when they are trying to correct me. It prepares me to be a better (potential) future med student and resident.

This guy even makes management not allow the other general surgeons to use the flex cameras and other instruments. He isn't even employed by the hospital, all the other attendings HATE him and he was fired from his previous group.

And yeah, the attending's pet project boy always tries to get me fired and the attending always takes his side. I research all forefront surgeries, procedures and really try to learn when I'm assisting, so all the other surgeons appreciate my work and stand up for me. I have 5 different private practices offering me a job, so I think I will be okay. Also, I'm President of a nonprofit and have 4 attendings on my board. Partially why I've been brave enough to not allow this doucher to walk over me like a doormat.
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Please tell me where this was so I can avoid working with both of you.
 
Vachata said:
I'm a measly 2nd assist (aka do the same 'responsibilities' as clinical rotations) as a nontrad premed. This surgeon is a complete pain in the you know where, pimps like no other then makes fun, degrades, openly says women should not be surgeons, treats all the med students like sh** (you know the drill) EXCEPT for his favorite pet project.

Well this big-headed attending is also a perfection controlling soccer coach to his 5-year-old son's team at a YMCA. Literally, he makes them run 4 miles at practice. They are FIVE. The best part? I volunteer there and help the sports coordinator maintain the soccer teams.

After a long day of cases I go up to the OR board and notice big-headed attending had an open belly case. Knowing that all med students run away from this attending, I knew someone had to assist him, but figured his pet project boy would automatically get the spot. Or so I thought. Apparently pet project boy had to leave early to go to class, so who gets the case? ME. Shocked and not knowing why pet project boy was not in the case, I sarcastically told the surgeon I figured he wanted his boy to assist (one benefit on not receiving a grade /eval). He turns around with his cocky little attitude and said, "well yeah, of course I want the cities most talented second assist on my team". That's like saying, "yeah, I want the best retractor B on my team" seriously what differentiates the superior ability to hold a retractor? I can hold my bladder for 24 hours. I stood there and stared at him as if I was represented all the med students he belittled every day for the past god knows how many years and decided that NO I was not going to allow him to bully me today. The great thing is, I knew his weak spot: his pursuance at being the best at SPORTS.

The convo:

ME (randomly): so did your son make the all-star team?
DR: ALL STAR TEAM? What are you talking about ? There is NO all star team!
ME: Well the YMCA strives to decrease tension and competitiveness between the leagues, but the coordinators do select an all-star team from each YMCA to represent their location to play the other YMCA all-star teams.
DR: Why havent I heard of this?!?
ME: I guess you never had a player nominated .....

.....SILENCE.......😕😕

ME: we usually only pick the kids we like, you know, like our PET PROJECTS

...............SILENCE................😱😱

(no throwing of instruments, no degrading words, no cursing, no slapping on the hands)

DR: visibly upset Well EVERY player on my team should be on the ALL STAR team, we have the BEST kids on my team. Better than any other kid out there and my son is the BEST player on the BEST team.

ME: look up and smile (i win) ..... by the way, I have your balls.
DR: All my balls?! I've been looking for them!

For the first time I've made jerk face the laughing stalk of the room

ME: Yeah, so be nice or I'll be sure to cut the sack give them to the less fortunate kids at the Y

Oh yeah, there is no such thing as an all-star team. I made it up to see him sweat at the though that he was inferior. :naughty:

I feel like I won a small victory for all med students everywhere that face the worst ego surgeons and can't do anything about it. 😎🙄
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Jesus, I have never been so embarrassed for someone while reading their post before. You are cringeworthy beyond words.
 
i am sure that surgeon is in his position because he paid his dues. there is nothing wrong with being competitive. life is too short to be a dick to people and that's a personal choice, but you made a lie at someone's expense...what if that interfered with his procedure? what if he pressures those kids to work harder and they get dissuaded from playing sports?

if he rips on you, then it is because you are probably inadequate in some/multiple ways. he is an established surgeon. you're a retractor/premed. you might not even get into medical school. know your role and shut your mouth.
 
Trogghunter said:
i am sure that surgeon is in his position because he paid his dues. there is nothing wrong with being competitive. life is too short to be a dick to people and that's a personal choice, but you made a lie at someone's expense...what if that interfered with his procedure? what if he pressures those kids to work harder and they get dissuaded from playing sports?

if he rips on you, then it is because you are probably inadequate in some/multiple ways. he is an established surgeon. you're a retractor/premed. you might not even get into medical school. know your role and shut your mouth.
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Eh, it sounds like the guy will figure out the truth sooner or later and realize he's been punked by this guy. I completely sympathize with people who have been walked over by dickhead surgeons and I detest the hierarchy and enormous egoes that some surgeons have, whether or not they've "paid their dues", so I don't really feel bad for a surgeon who makes other peoples' lives miserable... you reap what you sow. That being said I don't believe a word of this.
 
Vachata said:
Come on, do you think if I made up a story I would have made it much more..... fascinating? At least a better story line, have him yell at me, me break scrub and walk out half way through the procedure or something ?

See above how it bites me in the butt with the addition of not really getting the opportunity to scrub in for him, but I really don't like to be around him anyways. 👎
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Yeah you pretty much lost any trust I had in your story when you said you were the president of a nonprofit with several attendings working under you and yet your job is a second assist.
 
If I were you I wouldn't gloat about that.

The most *****hole surgeons are the ones who will write you the best recommendation letters. They are usually picking on you because they know that you have potential and want to see you rise to the challenge. If you were a below-average med student, they would just ignore you. They recognize your brilliance and want to challenge it.

It's fine to want to stand up for yourself but...any time a surgeon b*tches you out, you just look at them in the face and say "I understand. It won't happen again. I'm willing to learn. Thank you for teaching me." THAT's what a strong man/woman does. Not fluff out your chest and bite the hand that feeds.

You just screwed yourself over.
 
PrettyDoc82 said:
If I were you I wouldn't gloat about that.

The most *****hole surgeons are the ones who will write you the best recommendation letters. They are usually picking on you because they know that you have potential and want to see you rise to the challenge. If you were a below-average med student, they would just ignore you. They recognize your brilliance and want to challenge it.

It's fine to want to stand up for yourself but...any time a surgeon b*tches you out, you just look at them in the face and say "I understand. It won't happen again. I'm willing to learn. Thank you for teaching me." THAT's what a strong man/woman does. Not fluff out your chest and bite the hand that feeds.

You just screwed yourself over.
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Um, the OP is not a med student. She is actually employed as a second assist.
 
Trogghunter said:
if he rips on you, then it is because you are probably inadequate in some/multiple ways. he is an established surgeon. you're a retractor/premed. you might not even get into medical school. know your role and shut your mouth.
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[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETShkg-65fY[/YOUTUBE]
 
PrettyDoc82 said:
If I were you I wouldn't gloat about that.

The most *****hole surgeons are the ones who will write you the best recommendation letters. They are usually picking on you because they know that you have potential and want to see you rise to the challenge. If you were a below-average med student, they would just ignore you. They recognize your brilliance and want to challenge it.

It's fine to want to stand up for yourself but...any time a surgeon b*tches you out, you just look at them in the face and say "I understand. It won't happen again. I'm willing to learn. Thank you for teaching me." THAT's what a strong man/woman does. Not fluff out your chest and bite the hand that feeds.

You just screwed yourself over.
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That can be true in some cases, however, I don't believe that's universal. As stated previously, there are other surgeons that are very difficult to work with whom I enjoy getting the opportunity to second assist. My favorite surgeries to assist on are the resident's first solo surgeries. The attending is usually screaming at them the entire time, the resident is usually nervous and shaking and it makes my job more difficult (but in the end, I learn more).

Honestly, this surgeon cheated on his ex-wife with a nurse, who the nurse is his now wife. She is somewhat controlling in regards to she quit her job to be his second assist and did not like any other females working with him (afraid he would cheat on her as she was his mistress when he was married). She is now pregnant and not working, requiring him to use the hospital's second assist (us). His "pet project" is a guy and the other assist and I are females. 😎 Again, he openly states that females shouldn't become surgeons, so I'm pretty sure he doesn't want us in his OR, but he can't technically control who works with who. That doesn't make it right that he treats us like ****.

That would be an ignorant move on my part to try to get him to write a LOR. I have an abundance of quality letter writers who are very knowledgeable in my capabilities that I am confident will write supporting letters.

In regards to being President of a nonprofit and working as a second assist: Long story short, I worked in surgery because 1. I enjoy it 2. I want to learn 3. I believe it's great experience for medical school. A surgeon believed in the work I've been doing on a public national/federal level and decided to found a private local/state nonprofit, making him and I co-founders, him the Chair and I as the president. He is very well-known and well-liked in our medical community, so he asked his colleagues to join the nonprofit. The subject manner of our nonprofit is outside the medical atmosphere. Due to the subject manner being my career, I am very well-versed in the topic, hence, how I am head of the board and physicians.
 
Winged Scapula said:
Wouldn't it be cool though if he did?

:corny:
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but as a female general surgeon, wouldn't you want to stand up for yourself to fellow colleagues who question your ability based on your gender?

If not the smallest, I'm close to be the smallest worker on the OR floor. Those 300 lb + ortho cases, I take full-on because the male second assist gets nauseous in ortho. In vascular, I'm usually the first to help hold up a leg the size of me when they are doing an amputation. In those 8+ hour cardio surgeries-- I'm there and enjoying it, immediately excuse people when they ask if I need a break. Colon resections when feces is just running down my gown, yeah those too. In my down time I'm on the floor getting patients and taking them to pre-op and I don't know if you've ever pushed a patient in a bed on carpet from one end of the hospital to the next, but it's difficult. Clearly, I do not view any of the that as inferior ability to my male counterpart. I get the job done, I seek out opportunities to give a lending hand, I research the majority of the cases and forefront procedures and I round with the physicians on my free time.

I'm not screaming feminism by any means nor do I feel like I'm seeking to be "babied" -- I didn't give up superior job opportunities thinking the world of surgery was going to be easy.
I just don't feel the need to sit back and allow people to say females are inferior in surgery because of our gender (or the fact that he bullies almost every other general surgeon). :eyebrow: All the other surgeons/cases, I'm appreciative of the learning opportunity. Heck, I moved across the street from the hospital and take every possible call I can get just to learn.
 
Sheeeeeeeeeeeeesh.

I'm sure you mean well (maybe) OP, but you sound super annoying to be around IRL. That's all I have to say about that.
 
GuyWhoDoesStuff said:
Jesus, I have never been so embarrassed for someone while reading their post before. You are cringeworthy beyond words.
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👍 I'm glad I wasn't the only one feeling uncomfortable for OP while reading.
 
I dunno. For some reason this entire story is cringe-worthy and screams "loser"

That surgeon will ruin your career, I can guarantee you that...
 
PrettyDoc82 said:
I dunno. For some reason this entire story is cringe-worthy and screams "loser"

That surgeon will ruin your career, I can guarantee you that...
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Howso?

While I agree that the story is absurd, I don't see any way that the surgeon is going to "ruin" the OP's career. They're not a medical student (yet).
 
PrettyDoc82 said:
If I were you I wouldn't gloat about that.

The most *****hole surgeons are the ones who will write you the best recommendation letters. They are usually picking on you because they know that you have potential and want to see you rise to the challenge. If you were a below-average med student, they would just ignore you. They recognize your brilliance and want to challenge it.

It's fine to want to stand up for yourself but...any time a surgeon b*tches you out, you just look at them in the face and say "I understand. It won't happen again. I'm willing to learn. Thank you for teaching me." THAT's what a strong man/woman does. Not fluff out your chest and bite the hand that feeds.

You just screwed yourself over.
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This is the correct answer. I got yelled at by my surgeon for the first time yesterday. It was pretty brutal, but that's exactly what I said and then thanked everyone in the OR and left. I could have easily said many things to elevate me and also give counter-arguments, but I chose not to. Being humble in the face of arrogance is the most difficult thing to do.
 
shadowfox87 said:
This is the correct answer. I got yelled at by my surgeon for the first time yesterday. It was pretty brutal, but that's exactly what I said and then thanked everyone in the OR and left. I could have easily said many things to elevate me and also give counter-arguments, but I chose not to. Being humble in the face of arrogance is the most difficult thing to do.
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What happened that would warrant the surgeon to treat you like that? How does the surgeon normally treat you on a day to day basis?
 
shadowfox87 said:
This is the correct answer. I got yelled at by my surgeon for the first time yesterday. It was pretty brutal, but that's exactly what I said and then thanked everyone in the OR and left. I could have easily said many things to elevate me and also give counter-arguments, but I chose not to. Being humble in the face of arrogance is the most difficult thing to do.
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I never ever learned anything from surgeons who degraded and yelled and humiliated the students and residents during my surgery rotation. The best ones were the ones who walked me through how to do things, calmly and patiently corrected my errors, and taught things to me in the OR in a professional and courteous manner. This tough guy act crap that people are willing to put up with baffles me and just stinks of perpetuation of a terrible culture that surgery has been trying to rid itself of for several years.
 
this thread should be moved to pre-allo! the OP is a pre-med and this has nothing to do with clinical rotations despite what the OP may think.
 
skinMD said:
this thread should be moved to pre-allo! the OP is a pre-med and this has nothing to do with clinical rotations despite what the OP may think.
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It would certainly have a better chance of getting the slow-clap response the OP expected/wanted there. Here...not so much. Would have gotten more "cool story bro" gifs, too.
 
PrettyDoc82 said:
I dunno. For some reason this entire story is cringe-worthy and screams "loser"
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Bingo. It's amazing how many people are harping on "you're a meanie, that wasn't nice to do" and completely glossing over how mindblowingly cringeworthy and awkward the OP's post (in both content and in writing style) is. I expect that kind of garbage in the pre-allo section, but when it bleeds over here it's rather unpleasant.
 
Vachata said:
I'm not screaming feminism by any means nor do I feel like I'm seeking to be "babied" -- I didn't give up superior job opportunities thinking the world of surgery was going to be easy.
I just don't feel the need to sit back and allow people to say females are inferior in surgery because of our gender (or the fact that he bullies almost every other general surgeon). :eyebrow: All the other surgeons/cases, I'm appreciative of the learning opportunity. Heck, I moved across the street from the hospital and take every possible call I can get just to learn.
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Oh for the love of ****. How did I miss this gem?

We've all been trolled. Goddammit.
 
shadowfox87 said:
This is the correct answer. I got yelled at by my surgeon for the first time yesterday. It was pretty brutal, but that's exactly what I said and then thanked everyone in the OR and left. I could have easily said many things to elevate me and also give counter-arguments, but I chose not to. Being humble in the face of arrogance is the most difficult thing to do.
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Thanks! Exactly. I got screamed at continuously all throughout my rotations but at the end they always told me I did a great job, was super prepared, and wrote me great recommendation letters, and told me I should consider applying to a residency program there in the future.

You never know. :luck:
 
Vachata said:
I'm a measly 2nd assist (aka do the same 'responsibilities' as clinical rotations) as a nontrad premed. This surgeon is a complete pain in the you know where.
The convo:

ME (randomly): so did your son make the all-star team?
DR: ALL STAR TEAM? What are you talking about ? There is NO all star team!
ME: Well the YMCA strives to decrease tension and competitiveness between the leagues, but the coordinators do select an all-star team from each YMCA to represent their location to play the other YMCA all-star teams.
DR: Why havent I heard of this?!?
ME: I guess you never had a player nominated .....

.....SILENCE.......

ME: we usually only pick the kids we like, you know, like our PET PROJECTS

...............SILENCE

(no throwing of instruments, no degrading words, no cursing, no slapping on the hands)

DR: visibly upset Well EVERY player on my team should be on the ALL STAR team, we have the BEST kids on my team. Better than any other kid out there and my son is the BEST player on the BEST team.

ME: look up and smile (i win ..... by the way, I have your balls.
DR: All my balls?! I've been looking for them!

For the first time I've made jerk face the laughing stalk of the room

ME: Yeah, so be nice or I'll be sure to cut the sack give them to the less fortunate kids at the Y

Oh yeah, there is no such thing as an all-star team. I made it up to see him sweat at the though that he was inferior.

I feel like I won a small victory for all med students everywhere that face the worst ego surgeons and can't do anything about it.
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:beat::beat::beat::beat::beat:


:diebanana::diebanana::diebanana::diebanana::diebanana:
 
What if he goes home and starts yelling at his 5 year old for not making the "all-star team."

For want of a nail etc.
 
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