choosing b/w and MD and DO

[J1515]

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wow i feel quite enlightened. i'm glad to know people would chose to become a fake doctor over a real one b/c of ******ed reasons like the ones listed in that forum.

You should probably throw away your Temple and Maryland acceptances then because they have a bunch of those "fake doctors" working at their affiliated hospitals. Take a look at the psych, neuro, anesth, pulmonology, emergency medicine, etc.. departments

How does it make you feel that they will be ordering you around during your third and fourth years? 😀

 

[medhacker]

You should probably throw away your Temple and Maryland acceptances then because they have a bunch of those "fake doctors" working at their affiliated hospitals. Take a look at the psych, neuro, anesth, pulmonology, emergency medicine, etc.. departments

How does it make you feel that they will be ordering you around during your third and fourth years? 😀

 

[J1515]

I have all the respect in the world for DOs, as I've seen a few in my own childhood -- they are usually better communicators than MDs,

lol please stop speaking. You have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Daydreamer2008]

QFT.

If you don't mind my asking, where is the east coast school? Granted, the biggest animation industry is in California, but that doesn't mean your boyfriend can't find a good job in certain East coast cities. For some examples, the company that makes some of the shows on Adult Swim on Cartoon Network is in Atlanta, Georgia, and Blue Sky, which is a studio that produced Ice Age and Robots is in White Plains, NY, near NYC.

I speak from experience here, though it's almost the other way around. Fiance has a bachelors in Media Arts and Animation and wants to get a masters in something more geared towards game design. Most game design companies are in California, but there are some in Texas, some in Canada and at least one in the Mid-Atlantic (Bethesda in MD, mainly). I'd love to settle in California because of the low malpractice, and it'd be great for him because of all the job opportunities, but we're really torn (him more than me) on moving so far away from our hometown, families and friends.

Well the problem is, my boyfriend has aspirations of becoming a director, he just started his own production company and is currently directing small jobs for a big time production company based here in LA. basically, LA is where he needs to make those connections to go on and actually direct a feature film. He has big dreams, 🙂 I guess that's why we connect so well. 😍

 

[NjD00]

DayDreamer -
may I ask which schools these two are?

I would by no means choose one school based upon DO vs. MD, since the quality of education is comparable and you could argue that forever. But what about the schools specifically? For instance, would you be turning down a Wake Forest or a Johns Hopkins on the east coast?

Also, as far as research goes, even if you go DO you can take the USMLE and match into an allopathic residency and easily have the same research potential as you would as an MD.

Just a couple thoughts.

 

[Daydreamer2008]

DayDreamer -
may I ask which schools these two are?

I would by no means choose one school based upon DO vs. MD, since the quality of education is comparable and you could argue that forever. But what about the schools specifically? For instance, would you be turning down a Wake Forest or a Johns Hopkins on the east coast?

Also, as far as research goes, even if you go DO you can take the USMLE and match into an allopathic residency and easily have the same research potential as you would as an MD.

Just a couple thoughts.

Sure. so far it's between EVMS for MD and Western for DO. Definitely not Wake or JHU😉 Just from visiting EVMS and Western, I know that I like the facilities/hospital at EVMS better (I fell in love with the children's hospital), not that Western's is all that bad (students rotate through numerous community hospitals). I am still waiting on some schools, and interviewing next week, but so far these are my only 2 acceptances. I hope there are more to come!! 🙂

 

[Depakote]

Sure. so far it's between EVMS for MD and Western for DO. Definitely not Wake or JHU😉 Just from visiting EVMS and Western, I know that I like the facilities/hospital at EVMS better (I fell in love with the children's hospital), not that Western's is all that bad (students rotate through numerous community hospitals). I am still waiting on some schools, and interviewing next week, but so far these are my only 2 acceptances. I hope there are more to come!! 🙂

I would try to make this decision on a few more levels than just the degree. Weigh all the aspects of the two programs you're comparing (include how well one will support your relationship goals over the other), make lists if you have to. Weight the pros and cons of each, talk it over with your BF. Then come to a decision.

 

[sunnyskies]

hey daydreamer-
I completely understand where your hard decision is coming from. My boyfriend (marriage a definite possibility) lives in a separate country, and I thought long and hard about going to school over there to be near him (He also isn't able to leave his location for the next few years). In the end I chose to do what was right for me alone. Regardless if we were to get married, 20 years down the road, we very well could be divorced and then I would have a foreign medical degree (Australia to be exact) and possibly trying to come back to the states. Most people would say that a US and Australian degree are the same, but there is still a really stupid stigma, similar to DO. I am not starting a flame, but you obviously seem to think that you would rather have an MD than a DO. Regardless of if they are the same thing or not, you need to do what you want. If your relationship is really meant to be, then you will be able to withstand a long distance relationship. Its hard, especially when you can only see each other like 4 times a year, but in the end, you will make it work. I really would say go for the MD, because you wouldn't be asking yourself (and all of us) this question if you truly believed that you would be equally as happy at the DO school. But take any advice you get from a stranger online as you will. We don't know you, your relationship, or your personality. Everyone here only replies as to what they would do themselves.

 

[NjD00]

And remember this is a mostly pre-med forum, which means that 95% of people would pick their career and chances for prestige over their loved ones.


Ps. a foreign degree and moving to another country is a much different story than a DO in the USA.

 

[soccerpunk60]

You should probably throw away your Temple and Maryland acceptances then because they have a bunch of those "fake doctors" working at their affiliated hospitals. Take a look at the psych, neuro, anesth, pulmonology, emergency medicine, etc.. departments

How does it make you feel that they will be ordering you around during your third and fourth years? 😀

haha, well i was kidding about the "fake doctor" part. i'm adding fuel to the fire for more entertainment reasons than anything else. but i do stand by what i believe though, that choosing DO over MD is dumb.

 

[Geekchick921]

Oh, I know it's not easy, or he would have gotten one already. 😉 While computer animation is a subset of the computer industry, he's more in the art industry, and he loves to write. If we were to get a job at a game studio, I think he's just as likely to get a job as a concept artist or game designer as a computer animator, though he does have that skillset.

Trust me, we both love NYC, and would have no problem settling down there instead, especially if some progress is made with the malpractice rates in a number of the places we've thought about putting down roots. If you don't mind my asking, where does your brother work? What company? I'm sure fiance would be interested to know.

I have always told my brother to go where the money goes. It is not easy to find a job; a job that is not just a contract job but a job with full-time permanent position with benefits. My brother is in New Media (Computer Animation and more) and he had problems finding a job in California, especially where we live, Northern California. All he could get was contract jobs, even though he landed great gigs with big companies. It sucks to find a new job every 3 months, 6 months, and so forth. Not to mention they like to give the axe out of no where and you can be jobless the very next day. Honestly, you can't build a career if you have to change jobs frequently. But it was not until he moved to NYC he landed a permanent job, with benefits. And he said, it was easier for him to get a job there because there is more demand for his skillset.

So my point is: Computer Animation is very small segment of the computer industry. There are not many companies to choose from. As a result, you are most likely to go with the big companies. Unfortunately, as my brother said, most of the jobs in these top companies are filled through referrals. For example, if you know someone at Pixar, you are in luck. And USC has a VERY VERY good alumni network. And USC is VERY rich. So stay where the demand is high, especially for Computer Animation.

 

[lex]

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Trust me, we both love NYC, and would have no problem settling down there instead, especially if some progress is made with the malpractice rates in a number of the places we've thought about putting down roots. If you don't mind my asking, where does your brother work? What company? I'm sure fiance would be interested to know.

MTV Networks. Times Square, Manhattan. There are tons of different things that they do there. Sparks TV is also part of MTV and it also has jobs. My brother has computer science background, so I'm guessing knowing how to code also helps. NYC also has hi-tech area called Sillicon Alley where you can pretty much go door-to-door. It is similar to what we have in Northern California: Sillicon Valley.

As for NYC, yep, he loves it there and despite the exorbitant living cost, he does not want to go back to Cali.. ever! 😀

 

[J1515]

haha, well i was kidding about the "fake doctor" part. i'm adding fuel to the fire for more entertainment reasons than anything else. but i do stand by what i believe though, that choosing DO over MD is dumb.

To me, "dumb" is being away from your family, friends, and significant other for 2 years of living in a third world country while you can accomplish the same goal by staying in the US. Your goal is to see patients and provide them with healthcare, correct?

 

[soccerpunk60]

To me, "dumb" is being away from your family, friends, and significant other for 2 years of living in a third world country while you can accomplish the same goal by staying in the US. Your goal is to see patients and provide them with healthcare, correct?

i thought we were talking about people who choose DO vs American MD?

 

[zmeister22]

Daydreamer2008,

I'd suggest taking a few deep breaths. It's good that you are talking to people and getting some professionals opinions. Though you have to take everything with a grain of salt of course.

Read up on the whole DO thing. It will give you some perspective on the issues & history surrounding osteopathic & allopathic medicine.
Osteopathic medicine in the U.S.
Comparison of allopathic and osteopathic medicine

My personal opinion, from what you've described, I believe you can do all the things you want to do as a D.O. But I would suggest you investigate this thoroughly for yourself.

As far as "respect" goes, I feel compelled to express a strong personal opinion. The idea that D.O.s are "less respected" is just plain ridiculous. Seriously.

bth

You, Sir, are a thunderous voice of reason that is much appreciated. Props, bro.

 

[MedicineMan168]

Learn more about each school and their faculty/rotations. Remember when they told you where you went for undergrad was so important? It turned out all that mattered was your GPA, LORs, and MCAT. Same story all over again..... GPA, LOR, USMLE.

Most pre-meds that hate end up maturing after four years and realizing that a lot of D.O.s whooped them on the boards and ended up securing a residency they couldn't get. They usually shut up after that.👍

 

[Timmythemic22]

How many times can premeds rehash the same argument? The OPs situation is not nearly unique enough to warrant ANOTHER thread to this tired topic. This is just one more opportunity for intellectual masturbation by a bunch of insecure and neurotic medical hopefuls.

I was in the position only a year ago, but only now do I see how entertaining these threads are. Flame on, you future leaders of medicine.

👍

 

[J1515]

i thought we were talking about people who choose DO vs American MD?

I was talking about in general, pre-meds should think about why they're really going into medicine and what their ultimate goal is. So yes, telling someone to be away from their husband/wife, fiance, serious long term bf/gf, for 2 years (which is doable, but may not be necessary) just so they could have different initials behind their name is "dumb" in my eyes.

 

[DeadCactus]

Arguing MD v DO is like arguing City College v State College. There's good arguments to go to either, but you'll never here those because a bunch of clowns are too busy shouting and pretending a better sports team somehow makes them a better person.

Worry about doing well where ever you end up going; not a name or some letters so you can cling to other people's success...

 

[gmard33]

wow i feel quite enlightened. i'm glad to know people would chose to become a fake doctor over a real one b/c of ******ed reasons like the ones listed in that forum.

Wow. You must be the most narrowminded person on SDN.

In case you've been living under a rock (which it sounds like you have) DOs are licensed physicians just like MDs. I'm sure you can look it up!👍

 

[NewmansOwn]

I was talking about in general, pre-meds should think about why they're really going into medicine and what their ultimate goal is. So yes, telling someone to be away from their husband/wife, fiance, serious long term bf/gf, for 2 years (which is doable, but may not be necessary) just so they could have different initials behind their name is "dumb" in my eyes.

And when they do think about it, their reasons might not be so eye-rollingly Draconian and simplistic as yours.

And if you think I don't know what I'm talking about, shoot me a PM and we'll discuss it -- we're trying to keep this thread civil.

 

[Gut Shot]

In case you've been living under a rock (which it sounds like you have) DOs are licensed physicians just like MDs.

Alas, were only so simple. Being licensed is one thing, but being boarded in your specialty of choice is the real goal of your education. Like it or not, MDs and DOs do not currently have equivalent status in obtaining residency training in many specialties. Committed to family practice? Fine, the DO degree will get you exactly where you want to be, no problem. My only beef is the exorbitant cost of some osteopathic medical schools relative to the low pay of family practice doctors.

As for more competitive specialties, obviously being a DO isn't going to automatically hose you. But it likely does make it harder to succeed, especially in a training world still dominated by allopaths.

Is any of this fair? Of course not, but that's how things are. Peruse some of the residency threads where people are looking for DO-friendly programs if you don't believe me.

P.S. Before somebody jumps me, I would like to state that I work with two excellent DOs and have nothing against osteopathic medicine. I simply feel that someone making a MD vs. DO decision needs to consider all available information, even the ugly stuff.

 

[Lokhtar]

Alas, were only so simple. Being licensed is one thing, but being boarded in your specialty of choice is the real goal of your education. Like it or not, MDs and DOs do not currently have equivalent status in obtaining residency training in many specialties. Committed to family practice? Fine, the DO degree will get you exactly where you want to be, no problem. My only beef is the exorbitant cost of some osteopathic medical schools relative to the low pay of family practice doctors.

As for more competitive specialties, obviously being a DO isn't going to automatically hose you. But it likely does make it harder to succeed, especially in a training world still dominated by allopaths.

Is any of this fair? Of course not, but that's how things are. Peruse some of the residency threads where people are looking for DO-friendly programs if you don't believe me.

P.S. Before somebody jumps me, I would like to state that I work with two excellent DOs and have nothing against osteopathic medicine. I simply feel that someone making a MD vs. DO decision needs to consider all available information, even the ugly stuff.

I completely agree. If I decide to be a FP either with allo or osteo, you can bet that I'll be heading to an underserved area for five years where they reimburse up to $70-$100k in loans.

 

[gmard33]

Alas, were only so simple. Being licensed is one thing, but being boarded in your specialty of choice is the real goal of your education. Like it or not, MDs and DOs do not currently have equivalent status in obtaining residency training in many specialties. Committed to family practice? Fine, the DO degree will get you exactly where you want to be, no problem. My only beef is the exorbitant cost of some osteopathic medical schools relative to the low pay of family practice doctors.

As for more competitive specialties, obviously being a DO isn't going to automatically hose you. But it likely does make it harder to succeed, especially in a training world still dominated by allopaths.

Is any of this fair? Of course not, but that's how things are. Peruse some of the residency threads where people are looking for DO-friendly programs if you don't believe me.

P.S. Before somebody jumps me, I would like to state that I work with two excellent DOs and have nothing against osteopathic medicine. I simply feel that someone making a MD vs. DO decision needs to consider all available information, even the ugly stuff.

If you compare the cost of osteopathic schools to that of out-of-state tuition at public schools or private schools, it's really not exorbitant. Out-of-state tuition is actually a lot higher than osteopathic schools at some public med schools.

Also, I'm curious - if you are doing a residency that is " DO friendly " (since you are working with two DOs) which specialty are you pursuing?

 

[Auron]

M.d......

 

[Lokhtar]

If you compare the cost of osteopathic schools to that of out-of-state tuition at public schools or private schools, it's really not exorbitant. Out-of-state tuition is actually a lot higher than osteopathic schools at some public med schools.

Also, I'm curious - if you are doing a residency that is " DO friendly " (since you are working with two DOs) which specialty are you pursuing?

I could be mistaken, but I think he said he was PM&R.

 

[medhacker]

Alas, were only so simple. Being licensed is one thing, but being boarded in your specialty of choice is the real goal of your education.

Osteopathic medicine has its own boards for each specialty.

Also, when students ask for DO friendly programs, they are referring to programs where other DOs have been accepted before, for the sake of instant association, more than looking for a place w/o discrimination. Any uneasiness a PD may feel about a DO applicant, more often, has to do with unfamiliarity than with an inherent despise for the degree. These are things that with enough planning and mentorage any DO student may successfuly remedy for.

All the other issues have been addressed by others already.

 

[sqeeks83]

Why is dermatology so competitive? Also, why not open more spots for residents aspiring to be dermatologistss? Hey, maybe if that happened I wouldn't have to wait two months to see one.

 

[armybound]

Osteopathic medicine has its own boards for each specialty.

Also, when students ask for DO friendly programs, they are referring to programs where other DOs have been accepted before, for the sake of instant association, more than looking for a place w/o discrimination. Any uneasiness a PD may feel about a DO applicant, more often, has to do with unfamiliarity than with an inherent despise for the degree. These are things that with enough planning and mentorage any DO student may successfuly remedy for.

All the other issues have been addressed by others already.

doesn't looking for a program lacking bias or discrimination assume that the two aren't treated equally?

 

[TheRealMD]

Lol, this isn't even about MD vs. DO. Never make a decision based on a significant other unless you are already married for a while (intending to be married or engaged does not count).

And the fact that you have this conflict means you really know the answer already.

 

[Gut Shot]

Osteopathic medicine has its own boards for each specialty.

Yes, but the question is whether becoming boarded in certain osteopathic specialties is likely or even desirable.

Also, when students ask for DO friendly programs, they are referring to programs where other DOs have been accepted before, for the sake of instant association, more than looking for a place w/o discrimination. Any uneasiness a PD may feel about a DO applicant, more often, has to do with unfamiliarity than with an inherent despise for the degree. These are things that with enough planning and mentorage any DO student may successfuly remedy for.

What armybound said.

 

[AKu2984]

Daydreamer2008, the was I look at it is this...you only live ONCE. Do what makes you happy. Both of my parents are MD's, and they each say that DO's are increasing in popularity...this is to say that, so long as you are a hard-working individual and you make the best of your education, you can accomplish everything you want--in other words, whether you have an MD or DO behind your name will not make or break you. You will still be a doctor...you will still have patients who trust you. This is a tough choice to make...I am currently facing something similar. But, I am a pre-med who will follow her heart above all...I live to be happy, not to let a four year graduate degree determine my life and how important I am. If you know you will be a good doctor, it really doesn't matter where the degree comes from.

 

[bth7]

doesn't looking for a program lacking bias or discrimination assume that the two aren't treated equally?

Not really. It implies that people are looking for programs that are a good match for them. It's like people asking for a "family-friendly" program or a "out-of-state friendly," "women friendly," "LGBT friendly," "Drexel-grad-friendly" etc.

When you start applying to residency programs, you realize that each one sort of has a "culture" associated with it. The people in the program at the moment, the current residents, is a little window into what that program is like, and who they tend to admit. Some programs are intense, some are laid-back, some are aggressive, some are all about people having time off to start a family, at others this is out of the question.

Residencies programs are small, much smaller than a med school; you spend years of your life working side by side with your fellow residents and the attendings - they tend to match people that they think will fit in at their program, whatever that means. Program directors tend to have subjective biases that applicants try to figure out and exploit. A program that has admitted 10 students in the past 5 years from a particular med school is probably "friendly" towards that school. People will try to use this to their advantage. The same is true with DO's, people look to see which programs have some DOs in their ranks, and they perceive this to give them a little boost of having a successful match on their rank list.

How much this really matters is fairly subjective, but everyone does it, talks about it, and (in some cases) obsesses about it.

Like I said, talk to your friends, your parents, your friends parents, etc. But take all the hearsay with a grain of salt, and do some reading for yourself. There's quite a few well researched articles on the topic, try checking out some of them:

Resources List 1
Resources List 2

bth

 

[StunnaDocMD]

The choice is simple. if you care about residency (which you should) then you go for M.D. if you dont care about residency then D.O. It's an obvious fact that M.D. residency placements are much better than DO's

 

[singinfifi]

The choice is simple. if you care about residency (which you should) then you go for M.D. if you dont care about residency then D.O. It's an obvious fact that M.D. residency placements are much better than DO's

Really?

...I uh...haven't really seen that....and it's not that I haven't been looking at match lists, because I have...oh so many match lists (MD and DO).

Could you direct me to where you found that?
I'd be very interested to read it. The impression I've gotten is that it's not any more difficult to match to whatever residency you want as a DO then it is as an MD....if you are a solid candidate...you are a solid candidate.

I'm not trying to "flame" you or anything, I'm just very curious. I find it *really* hard to believe that none of the people going for DO's care about residency placement. From what I've seen you can match whereever with either...I do see more primary care docs coming out of (some) DO schools then (some) MD schools, but I had chalked that up to the fact that the idea of preventitive and primary medicine is a big part of DO training and that because of that it attracts a lot of people who are interested in that area of medicine...(that came out sounding like primary care was somehow "less"...that's not what I was going for...)

I could be wrong though, It's happened before.

 

[RosesRainbows]

Great guys don't come along everyday. I don't believe the "meant to be" stuff-- this is real life, not a fairytale. A relationship requires work, not fate. There are plenty of single, older, career women, who I'm sure would love to "not be as respected" in exchange for a spouse and children (not that the respect thing should matter, once you're a doctor, you're a doctor and all people care about is if you can cure them). I mean, don't any of you ever feel sorry for Condoleezza Rice?

 

[Gut Shot]

Not really. It implies that people are looking for programs that are a good match for them. It's like people asking for a "family-friendly" program or a "out-of-state friendly," "women friendly," "LGBT friendly," "Drexel-grad-friendly" etc.

Which in itself implies some level of discrimination against people with children, OOSers, women, LGBTs and Drexel grads.

I don't agree with DO discrimination, but it does exist, and it can be yet another obstacle on this road.

 

[CDO2012]

Let me get a few things off of my chest:

1) This guy is a an idiot
2) In America MD = DO
3) The only people who don't respect DOs as much as MDs are premeds and old/crusty MDs
4)You wouldn't cripple your career by going DO
5) If you want to do research, you'll probably want to go to a research oriented school, is the MD school you were accepted to research oriented?
6) The degree is not arguably superior, its the same
7) You have to make a choice, what is more important to you? Is the MD worth the long distance relationship, which probably will result in failure. If you stay in Cali, is there a REAL possibility that you will get married. Do you want to sacrifice an important aspect of your personal life for your career? What will make you happiest?
8) I like lists
9) This guy is an idiot
10) I also like personal attacks, its worth the notice

I agree!

 

[CDO2012]

Goodness, guys -- I know there are DO dermatologists. I'm not saying it's impossible. The point is, the vast majority of competitive specialty spots are filled by MDs, overall.

Maybe its because there are MANY more MDs that graduate a year, so the majority of the applicants for those spots are MDs....

 

[175961]

This decision needs to come from a long, thoughtful conversation with your boyfriend, not with a bunch of pre-meds who think the world revolves around how highly ranked your future school is.

when all is said and done on this thread i think this is the best piece of advice. cuz if youre not happy it wont matter what title you hold.

 

[Dr. Pickle]

If you are interested in orthopedic surgery you actually might really like going to the DO school. At Western COMP you could get into the OMM fellowship which might give you a deeper insight to the musculoskeletal system. I'm assuming you are talking about WesternCOMP- which is a great school (that's were i'm going). Also, just kick *** on your USMLE and you'll do fine! Best of luck to you with making your decision. Career is important, but if you have found the person of your dreams you can't let that go either! 😍

 

[Ccomdoc79]

ha

 

[karizma098]

i'm most likely going to end up at a d.o school,
( waitlisted at a few md's and at ccom )

but i dont think its necessarily right to say that md's get better residencies than d.o's. both m.d's and d.o's match into competitive residencies. YES, if you get into m.d, go m.d - it makes it EASIER for a good residency later, but it's asanine to say that m.d is the only way to get a good residency. both md's and d.o's have to work really hard to get good residencies, and if you work hard and get good board scores, you will match well either way. i personally wouldnt' waste another year of my life, another year of missing out on salary, another year of paying for tuition on a masters or extra classes, and not have a gaurantee of an m.d acceptance anyways.

* i only say this bc i waited a year, am doing my M.S, and i feel like i wasted my time when i could have been at a d.o as an Ms1 already..

just my 2 cents.

 

[Jolie South]

i'm most likely going to end up at a d.o school,
( waitlisted at a few md's and at ccom )

but i dont think its necessarily right to say that md's get better residencies than d.o's. both m.d's and d.o's match into competitive residencies. YES, if you get into m.d, go m.d - it makes it EASIER for a good residency later, but it's asanine to say that m.d is the only way to get a good residency. both md's and d.o's have to work really hard to get good residencies, and if you work hard and get good board scores, you will match well either way. i personally wouldnt' waste another year of my life, another year of missing out on salary, another year of paying for tuition on a masters or extra classes, and not have a gaurantee of an m.d acceptance anyways.

* i only say this bc i waited a year, am doing my M.S, and i feel like i wasted my time when i could have been at a d.o as an Ms1 already..

just my 2 cents.

i agree. i'm not a reapplicant, but sitting out this year and working at a job that i don't like is not fun. taking some time off is great, but if you're ready to start now, it's not worth it wait around and hope when you could just start at a DO school.

 

[bth7]

One factor to consider, the number of applicants per year to DO schools is on the upswing. Applicants are increasingly much faster than available seats. With nearly 20% yearly increases in the number of applicants, there may be some increase in the competitiveness of DO admissions over the next few years.

Just something to consider if you're thinking of playing the waiting game.

bth

 

[Gut Shot]

but it's asanine to say that m.d is the only way to get a good residency.

Where was this stated?

 

[Moniker]

If you are interested in orthopedic surgery you actually might really like going to the DO school. At Western COMP you could get into the OMM fellowship which might give you a deeper insight to the musculoskeletal system.

Also, just kick *** on your USMLE and you'll do fine! Best of luck to you with making your decision.

god I hate it when people say bull**** like this. as if it's just that easy to "just kick *** on your USMLE". and even if you did, in more competitive specialties, you'll be competing against MD students who also kicked *** on the USMLE.

I mean come on.


Bottom line: if you want the MD, do what you have to to go to MD school. if you don't care and "just want to be a doctor" and have come to terms with having a DO for the rest of your life and not an MD, then go DO.

 

[Pinkertinkle]

DO's are way better docs than MD's. They're more personable, easier to get along with, have more interesting life backgrounds and are generally less nerdy.

 

[tkim]

DO's are way better docs than MD's. They're more personable, easier to get along with, have more interesting life backgrounds and are generally less nerdy.

That's a gross generalization. I hope you're kidding. I think you are. I hope you are.

 

[Pinkertinkle]

That's a gross generalization. I hope you're kidding. I think you are. I hope you are.

You do know that some DO schools are more competitive than some MD schools right?