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- Oct 13, 2003
I'm interested in surgery. Can I still talk about myself as a future physician? Or are the two terms technically exclusive of eachother?
That seems to be the case. All the "Physiscian and Surgeon" stuff I've seen had me confused though. \Originally posted by Sharky
As far as I know a surgeon is a physician. A physician=doctor and a surgeon is doctor so he is also a physician.
I think "medical" here refers to internal medicine. It probably doesn't mean to say that surgeons don't practice medicine.Originally posted by SoulRFlare
I guess it's similar to the distinction insiders make between the "medical service" and "surgical service"
jd = juris doctorate, just like an md = medical doctorate. it's the degree one gets for 3 years of law school.is physicianoctor as attourney:lawyer? what's all that stuff next to layer's names? jd, esq, etc.
Originally posted by Anka
As has already been pointed out, historically there is a very big difference between the 'surgeon' and the 'physician'. In the middle ages in Europe (which I know more about)
1. Surgery was a trade (controlled by a guild, taught by the apprenticship model), medicine was a profession (where you had to take at least minor orders, i.e. 'professed', in order to study at the university).
2. From (1), a surgeon could be a woman, whereas physicians men (!). Surgery, being a trade, could be inherited from a father or brother or husband, but a young woman could be apprenticed out also to an established tradesman outside the family (there are records of this, as well as of the practice of female surgeons).
3. Also from (1), a surgeon could be quite illiterate. The 'handbooks' of the time (which looped over your belt) for surgeons were a pictures only afair. A physician was Latinate, could read, etc.
So, how does this bear out today? Among other things, surgeons are still steriotyped as 'dumb', even though they are the smartest doctors in the hospital. There is still a very strong bias against the manual nature of their work, etc.
which would you rather choose:Originally posted by exmike
So does Columbia P&S also equal Columbia College of Physicians and Physicians?
doesnt sound as good i guess.
False. Nothing like trying to stop a stereotype by offering another one. Thanks for trying though!Among other things, surgeons are still steriotyped as 'dumb', even though they are the smartest doctors in the hospital.
Actually from what I know, many European countries as well as other countries around the world have their medical school be sort of their undergrad and medical school in one. I came from the Ukraine and there if you wanted to become a doctor, you went to a 7 year medical which is kind of like the 6-7 yr. MD program at some medical schools in the US like (Sophie Davis, SuNY Downstate, etc.). In the Ukraine, if you wanted to go into a field other than medicine, you went to a college or a technical university. Also, in many countries and in the Ukraine, High school ended at 10th grade and you were 17-18 and then you would go into med school if you wished. So, there you would graduate from med schoo at 24-25 yr. old. I like their system better because, here although I liked undergrad, I did take a lot of classes that were just a waste and that I didn't care about but had to take to graduate from college. There I wouldn't really have to take any classes that didn't deal with sciences and medical classes. Some people might disagree with me.while it wasn't the case for most of history, surgeons in the UK are called doctor, just like medical physicians. this all changed over the last hundred years or so. after all, those that graduate from med school in the UK receive an M.B.B.S. (Bachelor of Medicine, Bachelor of Surgery).
Look at the previous post and see this part of the quote.even weirder is that it's not customary to get a traditional bachelor's degree before you go to med school in the UK, unlike the US medical education system.