15+ Year Member
- Oct 13, 2003
I'm interested in surgery. Can I still talk about myself as a future physician? Or are the two terms technically exclusive of eachother?
Originally posted by Sharky
As far as I know a surgeon is a physician. A physician=doctor and a surgeon is doctor so he is also a physician.
I think "medical" here refers to internal medicine. It probably doesn't mean to say that surgeons don't practice medicine.Originally posted by SoulRFlare
I guess it's similar to the distinction insiders make between the "medical service" and "surgical service"
is physicianoctor as attourney:lawyer? what's all that stuff next to layer's names? jd, esq, etc.
Originally posted by Anka
As has already been pointed out, historically there is a very big difference between the 'surgeon' and the 'physician'. In the middle ages in Europe (which I know more about)
1. Surgery was a trade (controlled by a guild, taught by the apprenticship model), medicine was a profession (where you had to take at least minor orders, i.e. 'professed', in order to study at the university).
2. From (1), a surgeon could be a woman, whereas physicians men (!). Surgery, being a trade, could be inherited from a father or brother or husband, but a young woman could be apprenticed out also to an established tradesman outside the family (there are records of this, as well as of the practice of female surgeons).
3. Also from (1), a surgeon could be quite illiterate. The 'handbooks' of the time (which looped over your belt) for surgeons were a pictures only afair. A physician was Latinate, could read, etc.
So, how does this bear out today? Among other things, surgeons are still steriotyped as 'dumb', even though they are the smartest doctors in the hospital. There is still a very strong bias against the manual nature of their work, etc.
Originally posted by exmike
So does Columbia P&S also equal Columbia College of Physicians and Physicians?
doesnt sound as good i guess.
Among other things, surgeons are still steriotyped as 'dumb', even though they are the smartest doctors in the hospital.
while it wasn't the case for most of history, surgeons in the UK are called doctor, just like medical physicians. this all changed over the last hundred years or so. after all, those that graduate from med school in the UK receive an M.B.B.S. (Bachelor of Medicine, Bachelor of Surgery).
even weirder is that it's not customary to get a traditional bachelor's degree before you go to med school in the UK, unlike the US medical education system.