MD & DO co'21 Residency Panic thread

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M&L said:
ok, i am sorry i am "late to the party", and as an M2, i am not tracking the issues. Do you mind me asking for a one sentence summary of whats happening?
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People, some of whom are not currently applying, have been having off topic political arguments in this thread, and have politely been asked to stop thrice now.
 
kraskadva said:
People, some of whom are not currently applying, have been having off topic political arguments in this thread, and have politely been asked to stop thrice now.
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I think she meant the issues with the match.
 
efle said:
Have you ever lived somewhere like Scandinavia to compare to our cities? I have. If reincarnation is real and my soul is getting recycled, I'd much rather be born to a random family in Copenhagen or Stockholm, than St. Louis or Baltimore....
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Yeah, actually, I have. My dad is an immigrant to this country and I've lived in 3 different continents myself. I was fortunate enough to be born here and eventually come back for college and med school.

Of course there are lots of nice places on Earth and there are certainly countries I would consider living in. Any place would, of course, be a serious downgrade from the US. It just makes my blood boil when I see the entitled brats soaking up all their unbeknownst freedom while spewing anti-American BS. And when it comes from a soldier that is especially disheartening. Kinda like the rare anti-vaxxer physician (believe it or not they exist) - it's just like what are you doing?!?

It truly takes blinders or a naivety that I can't comprehend to actually believe this isn't the best place on Earth. ESPECIALLY for practicing medicine. I can't believe I even have to make this argument lol.

To soldierboy and anyone else who thinks I'm off base with unrelenting patriotism: please leave, thanks bye.
 
scrublyfe21 said:
+1 please tell us what other countries you’ve travelled to please. America is #1 in obesity, gun ownership, waste per capita, and not much else. Even our “strong” economy is propped up and based on so much debt I feel like if I sneeze wrong it’ll fall apart.

Keeping it related to the thread, I’m interviewing at a program with a NP fellowship wish me luck.
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So why are you still here then??
 
Certain posters are completely ignoring the guidelines in this thread and are about to ruin it for everyone else who did what they’re supposed to.

This thread is America.
 
kraskadva said:
M-not4s are, as always, perfectly welcome to watch and ask questions/discuss in these threads, but this is primarily a thread for current residency applicants to discuss our current cycle issues
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oh, i definitely respect that. I meant whats happening with the match? i am concerned, of course, about whatever issues you guys are having to spill into next year or two.
 
Dr. Rafiki said:
I can't believe I even have to make this argument lol.

To soldierboy and anyone else who thinks I'm off base with unrelenting patriotism: please leave, thanks bye.
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You don't have to make this argument because your initial reply was in response to someone saying America can do better not that they hate America. Your response was a non-sequitur.

Get your liberty university vitriol out of this thread.
 
Ho0v-man said:
Certain posters are completely ignoring the guidelines in this thread and are about to ruin it for everyone else who did what they’re supposed to.

This thread is America.
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Yeah I’m not even going to respond. Not worth it and would just further derail.

So how widespread is the disparities between specialties in doing always or not doing them or not having guidance? Seems like some said not to do any and others didn’t put out guidance.
 
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M&L said:
oh, i definitely respect that. I meant whats happening with the match? i am concerned, of course, about whatever issues you guys are having to spill into next year or two.
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Sorry, but I'm not gonna summarize 87pgs of thread for you, there's too much.
Some issues will spill down, some won't - too early to tell which are which.
 
kraskadva said:
Sorry, but I'm not gonna summarize 87pgs of thread for you, there's too much.
Some issues will spill down, some won't - too early to tell which are which.
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For me, I think the only thing that can spill down for an M2, specifically, would be secondaries being more popular (vomit inducing) and possibly more people doing this virtually. Prelims/ TYs should absolutely be virtual going forward. I cannot emphasize that enough.

Maybe others see different things.
 
Matthew9Thirtyfive said:
Are y’all going to have in person match days? Or do they not know yet?
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We are and it will probably be mandatory. DO schools seem to make graduation (and everything else lol) mandatory.

Edit: read this wrong... Match day I don't think so. Graduation, hell yeah they gotta feel good about themselves for giving us the privilege to get bent over by them for 4 years and then getting in the way every step of the way lol.
 
Neopolymath said:
We are and it will probably be mandatory. DO schools seem to make graduation (and everything else lol) mandatory.

Edit: read this wrong... Match day I don't think so. Graduation, hell yeah they gotta feel good about themselves for giving us the privilege to get bent over by them for 4 years and then getting in the way every step of the way lol.
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Would you go to graduation if you didn’t have to and it wasn’t a pandemic? A lot of people seem like they’d rather skip it.
 
Neopolymath said:
We are and it will probably be mandatory. DO schools seem to make graduation (and everything else lol) mandatory.

Edit: read this wrong... Match day I don't think so. Graduation, hell yeah they gotta feel good about themselves for giving us the privilege to get bent over by them for 4 years and then getting in the way every step of the way lol.
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It's funny I was looking at my interviews from former AOA/DO IM programs and basically all of them have more wards months, ICU, call, other mandatory things. The DO tax is like herpes it doesn't go away
 
Matthew9Thirtyfive said:
Would you go to graduation if you didn’t have to and it wasn’t a pandemic? A lot of people seem like they’d rather skip it.
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Personally, I would not attend for a few different reasons. DO schools also seem to prioritize graduation over match day from what I have seen at my school and people say at others.

I think it had to do with having AOA and NRMP matches breaking up the festivities until recently unlike MD schools. Maybe they will start taking it seriously as the more important day going forward now that the merger got rid of the AOA match. Idk though. DO schools don't seem to realize the whole point of med school is to match. They seem to think the point is to go to XYZ COM and graduate their brand. That also explains why there are so many regressive people and policies involved.
 
Neopolymath said:
Personally, I would not attend for a few different reasons. DO schools also seem to prioritize graduation over match day from what I have seen at my school and people say at others.

I think it had to do with having AOA and NRMP matches breaking up the festivities until recently unlike MD schools. Maybe they will start taking it seriously as the more important day going forward now that the merger got rid of the AOA match. Idk though. DO schools don't seem to realize the whole point of med school is to match. They seem to think the point is to go to XYZ COM and graduate their brand. That also explains why there are so many regressive people and policies involved.
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My school didn’t have a match day celebration until like two years ago.
 
I'm already talking to a realtor in my target place trying to will it into existence haha thank god neuro is easy to match in the midwest. Kinda nice to know approximately what the market is because I'm planning on buying since I'll be there 4-5 years minimum
 
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Chibucks15 said:
I'm already talking to a realtor in my target place trying to will it into existence haha thank god neuro is easy to match in the midwest. Kinda nice to know approximately what the market is because I'm planning on buying since I'll be there 4-5 years minimum
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I'm also thinking about ranking the lowest cost of living areas at the top because you can get an amazing deal right now. Living in a proper 2000sqft house with a yard >> renting a shoebox in "desirable locations"

My new thing to do during down time on interview days is browse Zillow in that area. It is straight up insane how much house you can buy in the midwest for the same monthly payment as a studio apartment in SF/NYC/Boston
 
efle said:
I'm also thinking about ranking the lowest cost of living areas at the top because you can get an amazing deal right now. Living in a proper 2000sqft house with a yard >> renting a shoebox in "desirable locations"

My new thing to do during down time on interview days is browse Zillow in that area. It is straight up insane how much house you can buy in the midwest for the same monthly payment as a studio apartment in SF/NYC/Boston
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Yeah do not underestimate how awesome living in a low COL area and having more space is.
 
efle said:
I'm also thinking about ranking the lowest cost of living areas at the top because you can get an amazing deal right now. Living in a proper 2000sqft house with a yard >> renting a shoebox in "desirable locations"

My new thing to do during down time on interview days is browse Zillow in that area. It is straight up insane how much house you can buy in the midwest for the same monthly payment as a studio apartment in SF/NYC/Boston
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Why are many interested in high cost of living areas though? Like it's mind boggling
 
efle said:
I'm also thinking about ranking the lowest cost of living areas at the top because you can get an amazing deal right now. Living in a proper 2000sqft house with a yard >> renting a shoebox in "desirable locations"

My new thing to do during down time on interview days is browse Zillow in that area. It is straight up insane how much house you can buy in the midwest for the same monthly payment as a studio apartment in SF/NYC/Boston
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I'll see you at U Miss my friend
 
efle said:
I'm also thinking about ranking the lowest cost of living areas at the top because you can get an amazing deal right now. Living in a proper 2000sqft house with a yard >> renting a shoebox in "desirable locations"

My new thing to do during down time on interview days is browse Zillow in that area. It is straight up insane how much house you can buy in the midwest for the same monthly payment as a studio apartment in SF/NYC/Boston
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Welcome to the Midwest my friend 😎
 
Lawpy said:
Why are many interested in high cost of living areas though? Like it's mind boggling
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Baffles me too dude. I have multiple friends who didn't apply to the big midwestern and southern academic centers because they refuse to even consider living there. Yet, they were down to spend half their 20s in one of the most violent and impoverished cities in the country. Makes zero sense.
 
efle said:
I'm also thinking about ranking the lowest cost of living areas at the top because you can get an amazing deal right now. Living in a proper 2000sqft house with a yard >> renting a shoebox in "desirable locations"

My new thing to do during down time on interview days is browse Zillow in that area. It is straight up insane how much house you can buy in the midwest for the same monthly payment as a studio apartment in SF/NYC/Boston
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Preach!!
I need that real estate. Metropolitan centers and their warped housing costs and density is greatly influencing my ranking. I’ll take small town/more rural any day as long as I can buy somewhere with acres.

I’m consistently encouraging my classmates in similar specialty to pursue the cities— go flock NYC/San Fran/LA/Chicago —I need more room.
 
Lawpy said:
It looks like don't trust SDN info and ignore guidelines to maximize as many interviews as possible.

That's really stupid.
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This is generally a bad place to come to for advice lol. I have discovered this on several occasions. What other time in life would you ask strangers for life/career advice? Ha it’s funny if you think about it.
 
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LutGholein said:
Preach!!
I need that real estate. Metropolitan centers and their warped housing costs and density is greatly influencing my ranking. I’ll take small town/more rural any day as long as I can buy somewhere with acres.

I’m consistently encouraging my classmates in similar specialty to pursue the cities— go flock NYC/San Fran/LA/Chicago —I need more room.
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One of my classmates told me he withdrew his app from one of my top choices because it was in the midwest. Then apologized as if it was gonna offend me! Meanwhile I'm mentally celebrating that my app wont be compared to his international-grant-winning ass anymore.
 
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efle said:
One of my classmates told me he withdrew his app from one of my top choices because it was in the midwest. Then apologized as if it was gonna offend me! Meanwhile I'm mentally celebrating that my app wont be compared to his international-grant-winning ass anymore.
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Yessss!! I’ve had this happen when buddies in the same specialty couldn’t envision living in certain southern/Midwestern academic centers because it’s out of their comfort zone. More for me. I’ve told them “I’m not ranking your tops, if I end up in NYC I’ve done something horribly wrong”.
 
Lawpy said:
Why are many interested in high cost of living areas though? Like it's mind boggling
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High cost of living areas tend to have more nightlife, restaurants, bars, festivals, etc. If you're single, more dating options. I think it all comes down to priorities tbh.

Personally, I would prefer to live in a smaller more expensive downtown apartment with lots of activities around me than a larger cheaper house in the midwest. I wouldn't say all southern/midwest cities are bad though. Dallas and Nashville come to mind as desirable places to live.
 
Nucleophile1 said:
High cost of living areas tend to have more nightlife, restaurants, bars, festivals, etc. If you're single, more dating options. I think it all comes down to priorities tbh.

Personally, I would prefer to live in a smaller more expensive downtown apartment with lots of activities around me than a larger cheaper house in the midwest. I wouldn't say all southern/midwest cities are bad though. Dallas and Nashville come to mind as desirable places to live.
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I think covid completely destroyed enthusiasm for all those. I'd def agreed otherwise 🙁
 
Nucleophile1 said:
High cost of living areas tend to have more nightlife, restaurants, bars, festivals, etc. If you're single, more dating options. I think it all comes down to priorities tbh.

Personally, I would prefer to live in a smaller more expensive downtown apartment with lots of activities around me than a larger cheaper house in the midwest. I wouldn't say all southern/midwest cities are bad though. Dallas and Nashville come to mind as desirable places to live.
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Do ppl at your med school actually make use of the stuff around downtown? My class started out on the dating apps and going out but after first year everybody ended up dating each other within the medschool and we just drink at people's houses now
 
efle said:
Do ppl at your med school actually make use of the stuff around downtown? My class started out on the dating apps and going out but after first year everybody ended up dating each other within the medschool and we just drink at people's houses now
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Yes! Pre-Covid, the festivals were one of me and my friends favorite things to do. We would often run into other groups of classmates while there. We all had our favorite bars, brunch spots, etc. We'd also go to the clubs after exams.
 
efle said:
Do ppl at your med school actually make use of the stuff around downtown? My class started out on the dating apps and going out but after first year everybody ended up dating each other within the medschool and we just drink at people's houses now
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.... and they still want to match at high COL areas?
 
Lawpy said:
.... and they still want to match at high COL areas?
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I mean if that's where they grew up then it makes sense. To each their own and all that. I honestly feel like people want to live in these places though just to say they do. And I've kinda seen People on the coasts seem to see the midwest as just an entirely white, racist farming place haha yes there are parts like that but even the smaller cities have a lot going on. Although I grew up here, drink Busch Light, cheap whiskey, and eat the midwestern meat potatoes and butter diet so I don't need much. Plus I'm sure snow and all that is a bit scary too. More for us!
 
Chibucks15 said:
I mean if that's where they grew up then it makes sense. To each their own and all that. I honestly feel like people want to live in these places though just to say they do. And I've kinda seen People on the coasts seem to see the midwest as just an entirely white, racist farming place haha yes there are parts like that but even the smaller cities have a lot going on. Although I grew up here, drink Busch Light, cheap whiskey, and eat the midwestern meat potatoes and butter diet so I don't need much. Plus I'm sure snow and all that is a bit scary too. More for us!
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Lol for real. Like where do they think all their food and **** comes from?
 
scrublyfe21 said:
Go back a couple pages and you’ll see my response to this exact question.

Anyone else both super hyped and super worried about match day?
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Yesss!!! Simultaneously feel like it’s the best, most exciting day of my life... and also terrified.
 
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efle said:
Baffles me too dude. I have multiple friends who didn't apply to the big midwestern and southern academic centers because they refuse to even consider living there. Yet, they were down to spend half their 20s in one of the most violent and impoverished cities in the country. Makes zero sense.
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Same. My top choices are in the Midwest. Who cares if there’s an awesome nightlife or whatever if you can’t afford it?
 
efle said:
Do ppl at your med school actually make use of the stuff around downtown? My class started out on the dating apps and going out but after first year everybody ended up dating each other within the medschool and we just drink at people's houses now
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Yes definitely. Have med school in one of the biggest cities in the country; had an absolute blast with all the stuff around, even though COL was much higher. But I also see the appeal of a bigger house/place. I think it's not just NYC/LA/Chicago vs. the rest. There are tons of medium sized cities all over the USA that have plenty to do.


For a lot of people it also comes down to where they are from/where family is. Lots of people live in the major metros by definition.
 
gamerEMdoc said:
How do you know this is the case? Is there proof that "many EM programs" are "ignoring the guidelines"? I think the majority of applicants limited their number of rotations. I think the majority of programs expected students to do so. People can point to outliers, but that doesn't make it a widespread reality.
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I know a program here in town that still took lots of rotators, and I met no less than 6 EM applicants when I was doing an EM rotation, all from different schools, and all of them had done at least 4 aways.
efle said:
I'm also thinking about ranking the lowest cost of living areas at the top because you can get an amazing deal right now. Living in a proper 2000sqft house with a yard >> renting a shoebox in "desirable locations"

My new thing to do during down time on interview days is browse Zillow in that area. It is straight up insane how much house you can buy in the midwest for the same monthly payment as a studio apartment in SF/NYC/Boston
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Seriously. Zillow is my new SDN
 
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Banco said:
Yes definitely. Have med school in one of the biggest cities in the country; had an absolute blast with all the stuff around, even though COL was much higher. But I also see the appeal of a bigger house/place. I think it's not just NYC/LA/Chicago vs. the rest. There are tons of medium sized cities all over the USA that have plenty to do.


For a lot of people it also comes down to where they are from/where family is. Lots of people live in the major metros by definition.
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yes exactly. Medium cities / suburbs are where it's at. I neither want rural nor NYC/LA/Bay Area/Chicago/Miami.
 
sunshinefl said:
yes exactly. Medium cities / suburbs are where it's at. I neither want rural nor NYC/LA/Bay Area/Chicago/Miami.
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You know I never thought I’d like it rural until I lived in rural small town Texas. Fell in love with it.
 
All you need for nightlife is a dive bar with good beer on tap, good food, and a pool table. Preferably within walking distance haha I found my perfect bar here and I know I’ll have to move and I’m unusually sad. Especially since I haven’t been much due to COVID
 
Lawpy said:
Why are many interested in high cost of living areas though? Like it's mind boggling
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There’s got to be a balance.

The town my third year rotation site in doesn’t have a Target, Starbucks, or Panera. I mean I don’t have to live in NYC, but goshdarnit I am dying to carry a salted caramel cold brew around while I open my mind to what Target tells me I need to buy. And Target is even better after stopping at Panera for a you pick two with a Greek salad and a modern caprese. Oh god.

The upside is probably everywhere I match for residency (unless I match here of course) is gonna look like San Francisco after this.

I’ll take my matchbox that‘s a five minute walk to everything I could possibly need over than having to make a two-hour round trip drive just to find a Target, and being limited to the same maybe 10 restaurants to eat at other than fast food places. As a person who never carries cash, I have yet to even have Chinese food here because there’s only one Chinese place, they’re cash only, and my bank doesn’t have any ATMs here LMFAO. send halp.
 
All virtual match day, graduation day, capstone course they force us all to take.... there's a fun non-medicine job I'm so tempted to do for the next 4 months instead of the electives I have lined up (I'm already done with everything I need for graduation). Maybe it's silly to do anything other than relax, but it's probably my last chance in a while to do something other than what I'll likely (if everything works out) be doing the rest of my working life...

Agree that small cities are where it's at. We moved from the NYC area to one and all our friends joked about where we were going and how terrible it would be....I still don't have the heart to let them know just how much better life is/ how much more they'll get for their money. If you don't actually experience it for yourself it's hard to believe (or you justify that what's on offer those places just isn't as good - not true at all in my experience). Suburbs are interesting...my spouse and I both grew up in suburbs but have opposite reactions to them. I personally am not a fan but my spouse loved childhood and definitely wants it for our future. I guess one of us will be won over eventually? I am not aiming for the northeast cities, but one silver lining would be a functional public transportation system. I have poured so much money into my beat up old car in med school... it would be nice to live somewhere for a while that I didn't need one.

Not intending to derail this thread again, but I for one am grateful for intelligent, reflective, independent thinkers in the US armed forces. I didn't grow up around military folk (kind of the opposite, anti-war hippie vibe honestly) but I have been so impressed by classmates who have served and generally bring a more mature perspective. First-hand experience of conflict shapes one's POV and generally folks seem to realize there's more nuance to global politics than just what us civilians get to see on the nightly news. Thank you for your service.
 
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