MD & DO co'21 Residency Panic thread

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Yeah this is the big hang up I have. It has nothing to do with training, but going to the community program will close some doors in that regard.

The community place has sporadically put people in Vasc, CRS, breast, etc, but it would be so much easier to land a fellowship from the university programs.
Some programs like CMC and Houston Methodist are better than academic programs and routinely put people into those competitive fellowships. I know someone who went to a small community and matched to a large highly ranked plastics program. But you always want to give yourself the better chance if you think those other sub-specialties are appealing. Just think!!!
 
Sure. Go ask Pd/chair at one of sub surgical specialty at one of those top programs. Obviously not every PD/chair take it positively as evidenced by what happened to OP.

Btw, I have my own opinion...I can do and say what I want...you know I don’t have to stop just because you say so right? 🤦‍♀️ This is a open forum.

Also, I lived at places where people said have amazing things and foods...that is absolutely not true in my experience. People can have different life experience, culture, background and expectation...so few people tell me they love the city may not align with my own standard and expectation. Hence why I said I can better research those on my own to see it fits with what I look for....compared with taking the risk and pissing of PD/chair. If you have more important thing you want to know about a chair/PD than how they like a place, you gotta try harder. They are all very well accomplished there are so much things I can learn from them and obviously always good to give your interviewers to brag about themselves...who not like an opportunity to brag about themselves vs talking about the city they live in huh?

this is my opinion. You can disagree. I don’t care. Do what you want obviously because it is your interviews and your future.
I know this was an unpopular opinion, but as someone who is applying to a competitive surgical subspecialty, I agree. There are many PDs/Chairs who would be ticked off by these types of questions to them and it would absolutely affect how they view/rank you. You have maybe 2 questions to ask someone who is a renowned leader in the field and you waste that opportunity asking about food or the weather in the area. They want to see well thought out questions and I agree. Of course read the room, but save these questions for the residents or google.
 
I know this was an unpopular opinion, but as someone who is applying to a competitive surgical subspecialty, I agree. There are many PDs/Chairs who would be ticked off by these types of questions to them and it would absolutely affect how they view/rank you. You have maybe 2 questions to ask someone who is a renowned leader in the field and you waste that opportunity asking about food or the weather in the area. They want to see well thought out questions and I agree. Of course read the room, but save these questions for the residents or google.

Well, one thing this thread has been good for is helping me figure out which fields not to go into.

mostly joking 🙃
 
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I know this was an unpopular opinion, but as someone who is applying to a competitive surgical subspecialty, I agree. There are many PDs/Chairs who would be ticked off by these types of questions to them and it would absolutely affect how they view/rank you. You have maybe 2 questions to ask someone who is a renowned leader in the field and you waste that opportunity asking about food or the weather in the area. They want to see well thought out questions and I agree. Of course read the room, but save these questions for the residents or google.
Definitely good points here. There are Attending/PD appropriate questions about the program, procedural exposure, didactics, research funding, mentorship etc that I tend to ask first. However, I have had 30 min interview where the PD/APD started with "what questions do you have for me". After exhausting my list of attending appropriate questions, I move to general stuff about the area, food and hobbies , which they didn't mind. I guess if you have 5-10 mins left in an interview and get an opportunity to ask questions, I wouldn't open with questions about food or the area.
 
Definitely good points here. There are Attending/PD appropriate questions about the program, procedural exposure, didactics, research funding, mentorship etc that I tend to ask first. However, I have had 30 min interview where the PD/APD started with "what questions do you have for me". After exhausting my list of attending appropriate questions, I move to general stuff about the area, food and hobbies , which they didn't mind. I guess if you have 5-10 mins left in an interview and get an opportunity to ask questions, I wouldn't open with questions about food or the area.
And this was exactly the scenario. I just ran out of program type questions. Heck there was even a big educational thing given prior to interviews beginning that answered a lot of typical stuff. 5 minutes left in an interview and they’ve literally done nothing but answer questions and didn’t ask me a thing. I was just out of ideas.
 
And this was exactly the scenario. I just ran out of program type questions. Heck there was even a big educational thing given prior to interviews beginning that answered a lot of typical stuff. 5 minutes left in an interview and they’ve literally done nothing but answer questions and didn’t ask me a thing. I was just out of ideas.
I feel you dude. It's also problematic when the attending/PD/APD gives short, quick answers to my general questions, making me burn through my list faster.
 
I know this was an unpopular opinion, but as someone who is applying to a competitive surgical subspecialty, I agree. There are many PDs/Chairs who would be ticked off by these types of questions to them and it would absolutely affect how they view/rank you. You have maybe 2 questions to ask someone who is a renowned leader in the field and you waste that opportunity asking about food or the weather in the area. They want to see well thought out questions and I agree. Of course read the room, but save these questions for the residents or google.
Thank you. I literally took this opportunity and asked for their advice to become as successful as they are...etc...who would not like the opportunity to brag about themselves...🤣
 
And this was exactly the scenario. I just ran out of program type questions. Heck there was even a big educational thing given prior to interviews beginning that answered a lot of typical stuff. 5 minutes left in an interview and they’ve literally done nothing but answer questions and didn’t ask me a thing. I was just out of ideas.
Nah man the other constantly argumentative poster is right. You are a radiology nitwit who blurted out "men, women or both?" to the PD right after they introduced themselves. Their ire is warranted and not a reflection on their character. 😉
 
In other news, that moment when you realize you are at your dream hometown TY interview but later find out every other applicant there is derm superstar...

Then you realize you have no chance of matching this undisputed #1 place that happens to be right next to where you have always lived close to family.

Aaaaaaaah
Dude the TY cycle has been kicking my butt. It honestly feels like random TYs in flyover country are more competitive than the biggest names in DR. I shouldn't be surprised that the Derm crowd is eating all the spots
 
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I know this was an unpopular opinion, but as someone who is applying to a competitive surgical subspecialty, I agree. There are many PDs/Chairs who would be ticked off by these types of questions to them and it would absolutely affect how they view/rank you. You have maybe 2 questions to ask someone who is a renowned leader in the field and you waste that opportunity asking about food or the weather in the area. They want to see well thought out questions and I agree. Of course read the room, but save these questions for the residents or google.
Agree with this 100%. At my program applicants have been crossed off the list in the past because they asked questions like these to the chair or PD when they should have been asking questions that were program and leadership specific. It’s about knowing who you’re talking to and what is appropriate. That said, if the PD were to be openly upset with you for asking these questions it may be a red flag. In this zoom world we live in I don’t think you can fault someone like @Ho0v-man for just trying to maintain conversation with this kind of stuff.
 
Dude the TY cycle has been kicking my butt. It honestly feels like random TYs in flyover country are more competitive than the biggest names in DR. I shouldn't be surprised that the Derm crowd is eating all the spots
Totally agree. Thankfully I got some non-cush ones on the list that work geographically that didn't have a bunch of superstars. Dermies would rank low because of location and not cush. My number 1 TY just happens to have people that want to live there and apparently it's cush. Really sucks as it would allow SO to keep job and not move. Wish it sucked more now haha.

Also intern interviews questions are more serious than DR interviews by an order of magnitude which is hilarious. Like, it's one year of being a note hoe. Be chill, guys.
 
Agree with this 100%. At my program applicants have been crossed off the list in the past because they asked questions like these to the chair or PD when they should have been asking questions that were program and leadership specific. It’s about knowing who you’re talking to and what is appropriate. That said, if the PD were to be openly upset with you for asking these questions it may be a red flag. In this zoom world we live in I don’t think you can fault someone like @Ho0v-man for just trying to maintain conversation with this kind of stuff.

Yeah, I agree with this. I think it totally depends. If the interview was literally like 30 mins of the PD wanting you to ask questions and you're at minute 25 and running out of things to say, I think that is a totally reasonably thing to ask and a red flag if they get pissed. But if you have an interview and just a short time at the end to ask questions, then yeah maybe don't ask those softballs.
 
Y’all are getting TY interviews??
But no joke I only have 2 TY interviews and 2 prelim lol I’m probably soaping surgery
I have 4 TYs out of 30 applied, and they're all in pretty weird/undesirable locations. I'm doing much better with "top tier" DR programs than I am with 1-year internships in the middle of nowhere. Can't make any sense of it, unless it's because hundreds of superstar derm applicants are hoarding all the spots
 
I have 4 TYs out of 30 applied, and they're all in pretty weird/undesirable locations. I'm doing much better with "top tier" DR programs than I am with 1-year internships in the middle of nowhere. Can't make any sense of it, unless it's because hundreds of superstar derm applicants are hoarding all the spots
Maybe those random TY spots are saved for the soap? Maybe I’m confused about TY vs TRI vs Prelim.
 
Maybe those random TY spots are saved for the soap? Maybe I’m confused about TY vs TRI vs Prelim.
One does not simply soap into a (edit: good) TY spot.

Prelim: be the IM or surgery department's bitch for a year of pain.

TRI: not really a thing anymore (DO things lol)

TY: that moment when you realize some people have a relatively enjoyable general intern year before going to their actual specialty.
 
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Anyone else get asked a question but answer something totally different but somewhat related, and then secretly fist bump yourself because you didn't totally screw that up?
 
I have 4 TYs out of 30 applied, and they're all in pretty weird/undesirable locations. I'm doing much better with "top tier" DR programs than I am with 1-year internships in the middle of nowhere. Can't make any sense of it, unless it's because hundreds of superstar derm applicants are hoarding all the spots
I’m in pretty much the same boat. Happy with my DR interviews but feeling like I way under applied prelim/TY. I did around 15 of each and I think that was a big mistake
 
One does not simply soap into a TY spot.

Prelim: be the IM or surgery department's bitch for a year of pain.

TRI: not really a thing anymore (DO things lol)

TY: that moment when you realize some people have a relatively enjoyable general intern year before going to their actual specialty.
There were actually over 200 unfilled TY positions last year that filled through soap
 
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For those curious, here are some numbers from this AMA page

"The preliminary specialties that filled the most unfilled residency slots through SOAP were:

Preliminary surgery—430
Preliminary medicine—105
Preliminary obstetrics and gynecology—7
Preliminary pediatrics—3
In addition to SOAP, 110 applicants matched into one-year transitional programs, which typically offer residents rotations in surgery and internal medicine specialties."

So apparently SOAPing into a TY is just as common as SOAPing into a Medicine-Prelim.

I never would have guessed that!
 
There were actually over 200 unfilled TY positions last year that filled through soap
I stand corrected but I will quantify that a lot of these are probably just prelims disguised as TYs. Just a hunch after looking at a lot of TY websites.

I do want to add that I know 1 person who did a prelim peds year before DR lol. That sounds pretty interesting.
 
I was debating earlier whether I should send LOIs to a couple programs that didn't interview me yet, but at an interview today the program coordinator said she really only wants communication from applicants who she has invited to interview. She said she receives so much unsolicited email from applicants who have not been invited that it becomes a real headache to even read the e-mails.

I think that at a lot of academic centers, a pre-interview letter of intent might actually negatively impact you. I won't be sending any LOIs.
 
I was debating earlier whether I should send LOIs to a couple programs that didn't interview me yet, but at an interview today the program coordinator said she really only wants communication from applicants who she has invited to interview. She said she receives so much unsolicited email from applicants who have not been invited that it becomes a real headache to even read the e-mails.

I think that at a lot of academic centers, a pre-interview letter of intent might actually negatively impact you. I won't be sending any LOIs.
Idk as of today, only one program I sent an LOI to didn't send me an interview invite. I think it helps even at big academic centers
 
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Got 2 interview invites while interviewing this morning. Good thing I can feign interest, because the person interviewing me had no idea I was scheduling them. Felt like a baller

Hmm...


If you're going to be texting on your phone while you're being interviewed, make sure it's not in the field of view of your camera.
 
I can give y'all an example.

Local "chill" prelim medicine program: 9 months of wards/ICU/nightfloat, 11 weeks of electives
Recent TY interview: 5 months of wards/ICU. No nights. A couple chill ambulatory/ED months, and then almost half the year is electives.

So like nabbing a TY spot is literally months more of doing 9-5 M-F stuff instead of 6 days/week on a call rotation
 
Anyone else get asked a question but answer something totally different but somewhat related, and then secretly fist bump yourself because you didn't totally screw that up?
No. I was with you until the fist bump. I actually look back on those times and think that they won’t appreciate my side-stepping question-adjacent politician response.
 
No. I was with you until the fist bump. I actually look back on those times and think that they won’t appreciate my side-stepping question-adjacent politician response.

100% agree. I’ve caught myself giving longer answers or adding in stuff that wasn’t necessary and I look back and kick myself. All you can do is reflect on things you want to change and implement those changes on your next interview. Definitely not fist bumping myself for circumventing questions with an answer that isn’t relevant
 
Anybody have really short or really long interview times? I have a program that's doing 20 minutes each, but with 6 people for a total of 2 hours of actual interviewing. This sounds terrible.

edit: Interview was super relaxed and zoomed by.
 
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Alright I'm gonna come out and say, there are always a couple people on each interview day that look disheveled. And I am in no way saying that physical appearance has anything to do with competence as a doctor, but I think you should try a bit harder with just the basics during interview day. Let me give examples:

-Unkempt facial hair/stubble/neckbeards (I don't mean something that is well maintained, which it is most of the time)
-Unkempt/uncombed hair (just why...)
-Wrinkled shirts/ties (I saw a dude the other day with a straight up upwards bent collar on both sides and the top button unbuttoned)
-No suit jacket for men (why)



The vast majority of applicants are totally fine, but some things I've seen are jarring, and first impressions count. These are things I have always considered common sense but I guess not. It's also mostly men lol...
 
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Alright I'm gonna come out and say, there are always a couple people on each interview day that look disheveled. And I am in no way saying that physical appearance has anything to do with competence as a doctor, but I think you should try a bit harder with just the basics during interview day. Let me give examples:

-Unkempt facial hair/stubble/neckbeards (I don't mean something that is well maintained, which it is most of the time)
-Unkempt/uncombed hair (just why...)
-Wrinkled shirts/ties (I saw a dude the other day with a straight up upwards bent collar on both sides and the top button unbuttoned)
-No suit jacket for men (why)



The vast majority of applicants are totally fine, but some things I've seen are jarring, and first impressions count. These are things I have always considered common sense but I guess not. It's also mostly men lol...
Yup.....on my interview yesterday one of my fellow applicants had a great background with all the guitars he plays mounted on the wall....it broke the ice for him to be sure.....but he was wearing a shirt with the top button untied and his tie was loosened. Not how I'd imagine anyone should interview for a professional job.
 
Alright I'm gonna come out and say, there are always a couple people on each interview day that look disheveled. And I am in no way saying that physical appearance has anything to do with competence as a doctor, but I think you should try a bit harder with just the basics during interview day. Let me give examples:

-Unkempt facial hair/stubble/neckbeards (I don't mean something that is well maintained, which it is most of the time)
-Unkempt/uncombed hair (just why...)
-Wrinkled shirts/ties (I saw a dude the other day with a straight up upwards bent collar on both sides and the top button unbuttoned)
-No suit jacket for men (why)



The vast majority of applicants are totally fine, but some things I've seen are jarring, and first impressions count. These are things I have always considered common sense but I guess not. It's also mostly men lol...
Every interview makes me realize just how low the bar is to make a positive impression because there are people doing these things regularly. That and the stories from residents about the nonsense that applicants do at the dinner too. Literally have heard stories about applicants relentlessly hitting on residents wives for example...Who the hell are these people?
 
Yup.....on my interview yesterday one of my fellow applicants had a great background with all the guitars he plays mounted on the wall....it broke the ice for him to be sure.....but he was wearing a shirt with the top button untied and his tie was loosened. Not how I'd imagine anyone should interview for a professional job.
Are you interviewing for IM or is there just multiple people out there hanging guitars up behind them lmao
 
Every interview makes me realize just how low the bar is to make a positive impression because there are people doing these things regularly. That and the stories from residents about the nonsense that applicants do at the dinner too. Literally have heard stories about applicants relentlessly hitting on residents wives for example...Who the hell are these people?
I've been really distracted/surprised by some of the crazy stuff people are doing just on zoom interviews so in person would've been a sight. It really isn't as hard to spot blatant psychos or people who just don't care as I would've thought prior to interview season. Person in one of my interviews was eating oatmeal (or soup?) and a banana in front of their iphone camera angled upwards from a desk while he talked to their roommate in the background here and there. Proceeded to then lick the spoon on camera and sniff their fingers pretty aggressively. It was really something to watch and I can't remember a single thing the PD said during it because I was so distracted lmao.
 
I've been really distracted/surprised by some of the crazy stuff people are doing just on zoom interviews so in person would've been a sight. It really isn't as hard to spot blatant psychos or people who just don't care as I would've thought prior to interview season. Person in one of my interviews was eating oatmeal (or soup?) and a banana in front of their iphone camera angled upwards from a desk while he talked to their roommate in the background here and there. Proceeded to then lick the spoon on camera and sniff their fingers pretty aggressively. It was really something to watch and I can't remember a single thing the PD said during it because I was so distracted lmao.
lmfao
 
Every interview makes me realize just how low the bar is to make a positive impression because there are people doing these things regularly. That and the stories from residents about the nonsense that applicants do at the dinner too. Literally have heard stories about applicants relentlessly hitting on residents wives for example...Who the hell are these people?
Idk but I wish everything was in person so they could all be late and act stupid instead of faking everyone out on zoom for 15 minute interviews. It would certainly help me look good haha
 
I've been really distracted/surprised by some of the crazy stuff people are doing just on zoom interviews so in person would've been a sight. It really isn't as hard to spot blatant psychos or people who just don't care as I would've thought prior to interview season. Person in one of my interviews was eating oatmeal (or soup?) and a banana in front of their iphone camera angled upwards from a desk while he talked to their roommate in the background here and there. Proceeded to then lick the spoon on camera and sniff their fingers pretty aggressively. It was really something to watch and I can't remember a single thing the PD said during it because I was so distracted lmao.

omg wat
 
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