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I'm an e-mail hoarder and felt like doing a quick search. Found something:I was asking a serious question so that perhaps all of us who either don’t remember or weren’t in college during this could hear about it. And when I said “but not too much happened” I was asking a question based off of what I remembered going through and hearing on the news. But I seriously appreciate the snark.
April 2009 e-mail said:Concern about swine flu is growing in the United States and internationally The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and the World Health Organization are working closely with health officials throughout the United States, Canada, and Mexico, as well as other countries reporting isolated cases of the swine flu, to provide guidance and technical support to address this emerging health threat. While there is no immediate cause for alarm on campus, [School Police] and University Health Center personnel are in direct contact with county and state health officials to ensure that the institution and the community are prepared to address issues related to the flu, particularly if there are signs that the influenza virus is spreading into the state.
May 2009 e-mail said:The [University] is doing its part to help minimize the potential impact of the H1N1 virus while globally health care and public health professionals work to contain the virus. As a result, and solely as a precautionary measure, the commencement ceremony will include a cordial and congratulatory nod of the head from the university president instead of the traditional handshake.
To limit possible spread of any virus and safeguard the health of those in attendance, notices will be posted at all entrances to the [place] asking persons who exhibit any flu-like symptoms to please go home to minimize exposure to others. They are encouraged to view the event by following steps outlined at [website]
August 2009 e-mail said:Dear [School] Students,
The nation is expecting a recurrence of H1N1, often referred to as swine
flu, during the fall and winter. As the flu season approaches, we want
to share information to help you stay healthy as much as possible and
also prevent the spread of illness. In cooperation with local, state and
national sources, our University Health Center staff continues to
monitor the flu situation, both seasonal and H1N1, and will share
updates as needed throughout the academic year. As an initial step this
fall, we appreciate you taking time to read this message.
Stay Informed:
The more you know about H1N1 and precautions that will help you avoid
infection the better. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control (CDC) and
Prevention has established a web site that provides details about H1N1,
how it is spread and tips for treatment and prevention,
CDC H1N1 Flu | H1N1 Flu and You. Another helpful site is
http://flu.gov. You can also go to the health center’s web site,
[website] for additional information and campus updates
regarding H1N1.
The symptoms of this flu virus are similar to seasonal flu symptoms.
Therefore, the University Health Center urges anyone experiencing
symptoms of fever, body aches and lethargy, and /or respiratory symptoms
of coughing, sneezing and eye irritation to STAY HOME, self-isolate and
avoid unnecessary contact with others. Treatment is the same as with any
flu-like illness: keep the fever down and stay well hydrated.
Have a Plan for Temporary Isolation in Case of Illness:
The CDC is strongly recommending self isolation for those who have flu
like illness for a period of at least 24 hours after they no longer have
fever symptoms without aid of fever-reducing medicine. Students should
consider a plan that allows them to isolate, either in their room or
family’s home, should they become ill.
Vaccine:
Students are urged to get the seasonal flu shot as well as the H1N1
vaccine, when it becomes available. The H1N1 vaccine will require two
separate vaccinations, given three weeks apart. Although the
availability and timeline of the H1N1 vaccine is uncertain at this time,
seasonal flu shots are expected to be available early this fall. The
University Health Center will keep the campus community informed of
vaccine availability. With a time lapse between the start of fall
semester and vaccine availability, it’s especially important to remember
to take proper precautions to help you stay healthy.
Best Practices:
Even healthy people need to remember that basic practices can help to
prevent the spread of illness:
Cover your nose and mouth when coughing or sneezing
Cough/sneeze into a tissue (and throw it away) or cough into your sleeve
[YouTube video of proper coughing lol]
Avoid toughing your eyes, nose and mouth
Frequent hand washing with soap and water, or use alcohol based hand
cleaners
Important Contacts:
Should you become ill or have health concerns, please call the
University Health Center at [number].
Any questions or concerns can be directed to [Person] RN, BSN
We hope this information is helpful. By following these important steps,
you can help contribute to a healthy campus. Your assistance is greatly
appreciated.
September 2009 e-mail said:[School] Students:
In response to the H1N1 flu situation:
1) [School]'s Class Attendance Policy has been modified for Academic Year
2009-10. Please click here [link to PDF]) to read it.
2) If you have questions about the revised class attendance policy in
effect for AY 2009-10, please discuss with your individual class
instructor
Maybe I could have asked it a little more straightforward, but my question was posed in a way that was insinuating that that was my experience, but I was wondering if that was everyone’s experience. There was no need for you to come at me like that, and the fact that you see nothing wrong with how you handled yourself in what has up to now been a perfectly normal and professional discussion is concerning.If you were sincerely asking a question, I don't really think saying "this is what happened (not much), right?" is the best way to go about doing so. Because it sorta just looks like you were looking for people to agree with you, and now it looks like you're not even appreciative for the information I DID provide you (probably because I disagreed). If you ask sincere questions, expect to not always be correct
Thank you for the detailed response. I really appreciate it. It seemed like there wasn’t a ton being done at the time as far as cancelling classes and shutting down schools went, but I was only in middle school at the time so I was way less perceptive to it than I am now.I'm an e-mail hoarder and felt like doing a quick search. Found something:
I had a ton of e-mails from a summer camp I worked at that had disruption, but I can't find them.
Overall bad but not nearly as severe as SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19 that's going on right now.
I don't remember being particularly worried or freaked out about morbidity or mortality at all. I think I was too busy freaking out about paying rent and servicing my $45k credit card debt on $0 income and studying for school than some silly pig flu. To be honest I don't remember my state of mind so I could probably look at my SDN posts to jog my memory. (I'm not downplaying the people who did get sick or die.)Thank you for the detailed response. I really appreciate it. It seemed like there wasn’t a ton being done at the time as far as cancelling classes and shutting down schools went, but I was only in middle school at the time so I was way less perceptive to it than I am now.
JR Sx is done for the year so they won’t have to do anything with thatHere at Illinois we haven’t heard much besides that they are preparing for a potential disruption to face to face instruction.
They didn’t mention any plans for anatomy labs or junior surgery, but they did state that as of now there is no plan to disrupt clinicals.
I say go because can they really keep almost everyone off campus for 2 weeks for domestic travelI still haven't decided if I'm going to go to florida like 3 days from now because I don't know if they'll let me back on campus for clinics afterwards
I want someone to decide for me. Right now we're banned from campus for 14 days after international travel, but for domestic travel, they basically said "we'll need to think about it," which is the most nebulous guidance they could possibly give.
I was a college senior in Southern California at a very large university. No school events were cancelled, bleach and Lysol weren’t sold out, and while it was talked about on the news, it didn’t seem to be as big of a deal as this. Much less hype from what I recall.Serious question - what was the 2009 swine flu outbreak like for those of you who experienced it? Did it feel similar to this? Were people as freaked out? Were as many public events and schools canceled?
I was living on an isolated Caribbean island in 2009 and it didn’t affect us so not many people talked about it at the time.
I posted my experience in posts 53 and 56 above. First post had several emails from my school over most of 2009. It wasn't tragic really. No handshake at commencement, big whoop, yanno?Serious question - what was the 2009 swine flu outbreak like for those of you who experienced it? Did it feel similar to this? Were people as freaked out? Were as many public events and schools canceled?
I was living on an isolated Caribbean island in 2009 and it didn’t affect us so not many people talked about it at the time.
I mean I am still confused because H1N1 affected people globally, in over 200 countries per WHO's definition. Last I saw coronavirus was a bit over 100 (though it's still early)^I think this was what I was trying to get at.
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I'll just leave it that I disagree that we have never seen something similar in the last century.
I was a senior in high school at the time, I don't remember people being nearly as freaked out or any significant closures/cancellations happening. I'm pretty sure I got H1N1, I don't think I was officially tested but I was pretty sick for a week. But even then my biggest concern was whether I'd still be able to perform in the school play the following week (don't worry, I recovered in time!).Serious question - what was the 2009 swine flu outbreak like for those of you who experienced it? Did it feel similar to this? Were people as freaked out? Were as many public events and schools canceled?
I was living on an isolated Caribbean island in 2009 and it didn’t affect us so not many people talked about it at the time.
I also think I had H1N1 in high school. Was a ****ty week with a fever and a cough that wouldn’t go away, but otherwise, my experience was similar.I was a senior in high school at the time, I don't remember people being nearly as freaked out or any significant closures/cancellations happening. I'm pretty sure I got H1N1, I don't think I was officially tested but I was pretty sick for a week.
I love this infographic to give us perspective.... my only nitpick is I think the chart is being too conservative by saying R0 = 1.5 to 3.5. I've seen R0 twice that, easily, especially for the S-type strain of this virus. We'll see. Edit: And if asymptomatic transmission is indeed possible and there's no social distancing, it's no wonder one oblivious person can spread it to 7+ people at work or at a conference or public transportation. Or a cruise ship. Or a doctor/nurse without PPE who is asymptomatically spreading it to others.Right, but this has officially been classified by the WHO as a pandemic now and it’s one of the more contagious viruses.
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Yeah, I’m inclined to believe that the R0’s closer to 3 more recently.I love this infographic to give us perspective.... my only nitpick is I think the chart is being too conservative by saying R0 = 1.5 to 3.5.
Serious question - what was the 2009 swine flu outbreak like for those of you who experienced it? Did it feel similar to this? Were people as freaked out? Were as many public events and schools canceled?
I was living on an isolated Caribbean island in 2009 and it didn’t affect us so not many people talked about it at the time.
I've heard rumors of hospitals at other schools going to emergency only, which I feel like they'd have to do here if students weren't allowed to come in.
If it got to the point that they weren't allowing 4th years to come in, it would be to limit the number of people in the hospital to essential personnel in order to reduce spread of the virus. I'm just saying that I don't think our hospital would be able to function at a normal capacity without students, but if they were only allowing true emergency cases it would probably be okay. It's a nice thought, but I feel like bringing in new people would just make things more difficult, at least here. Even though you have experience, every hospital works somewhat differently.I'm a pre-vet living near a vet school. Is it worth it for me to contact them and see if they could use the help (if they cancel for students)? Or are they also closing hospitals to get everyone out of them? I have vet assistant experience and will have to leave my research job (at my undergrad that's too far to commute from home) if my region gets to that point anyway.
Re-read the email. Not all finals will be online it just says "whenever possible". Honestly their email is so wishy-washy it's hard to even make sense of it lol. Doesn't seem like a firm stance really.Oregon State just announced online only classes starting next term, for the first ~10 days then they'll reevaluate. Finals next week are supposedly online only as well. The dean of the vet school just sent an email though saying that all finals will take place as scheduled, so not really sure what that means.
Edit: they're allowing in person finals as long as the room has capacity for 3x the number of students, so it seems like we'll take our finals in smaller groups throughout the day.
Yeah 100% thisI think another difference this time around is the amount of media sensationalization. As in, I think there may be more of it with COVID-19 as opposed to in the past, which makes it seem worse than what it is.
Eh that’s a campus wide email. I have never used zoom with the exception of zooming main campus OSU to get ONID passwords when I had no phone. So nothing at the vet school.Oof, Oregon State is using Zoom. Zoom had a really egregiously nasty security flaw like 2 years ago. I think maybe on macOS but memory's fuzzy. Like terrible backdoor.
I think some online tests I might take this year might require Zoom for the webcam part. Ugh.
our anatomy professors use zoomOof, Oregon State is using Zoom. Zoom had a really egregiously nasty security flaw like 2 years ago. I think maybe on macOS but memory's fuzzy. Like terrible backdoor.
I think some online tests I might take this year might require Zoom for the webcam part. Ugh.
Tbh I wouldn't go unless you are ok with the possibility of having to self-quarantine when you get back, because cases could pop up while you're thereI still haven't decided if I'm going to go to florida like 3 days from now because I don't know if they'll let me back on campus for clinics afterwards
I want someone to decide for me. Right now we're banned from campus for 14 days after international travel, but for domestic travel, they basically said "we'll need to think about it," which is the most nebulous guidance they could possibly give.
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meh problem solved: they just sent out additional guidelines saying we need to fill out a risk assessment form every time we go more than 50 miles from campus. It asks us to justify our reason for going and we need to cite resources at the county level, so... I am not gonna make more homework for myself on top of feeling guiltyTbh I wouldn't go unless you are ok with the possibility of having to self-quarantine when you get back, because cases could pop up while you're there
I actually need to go read over the guidelines myself. I'm driving everywhere at least, so less exposure,
Serious question - what was the 2009 swine flu outbreak like for those of you who experienced it? Did it feel similar to this? Were people as freaked out? Were as many public events and schools canceled?
I was about to say, the main thing I remember is I was one of the first groups to get the H1N1 shot because I was a high-risk group (asthma). I was ~14 at the time.I had to get the H1N1 flu shot back in 2009 when swine flu was big. They weren’t letting people outside of healthcare fields and their families get the vaccine because it was so limited. My dad works in healthcare and sees a ton of patients a day (majority are children) and is fully booked daily, so if anyone in my family got the swine flu he couldn’t go to work for at least 2 weeks, which would have been an absolute cluster to reschedule that many patients when they book 6-8 weeks out.
I apparently also have asthma but just never was diagnosed with it until this yearI was about to say, the main thing I remember is I was one of the first groups to get the H1N1 shot because I was a high-risk group (asthma). I was ~14 at the time.
Why is it crazy to go to Japan over other places? They have has as many cases and deaths as the US does. Although, much smaller country and closer to China. I have a couple friends that were planning to do research in Japan this summer but now they aren't sure if they will be allowed toUC Davis is not cancelling anything at the vet school, at least at this point. The most we got was a very vague email about handwashing and to stay home if sick. The undergraduates are "encouraged" to transition to online instruction and they've cancelled their finals, but that doesn't extend to the vet school. Personally, I think it's really irresponsible of the administration to have us coming in for didactics considering there active cases in the Bay Area and the counties surrounding Davis, and UC Berkeley, San Jose State, and Stanford have all moved online. And I know of many classmates who are still planning on going on recreational travel over spring break, which starts in a few days (including at least one going abroad to Japan, which is bananas) so I think things are only going to get worse after the break. And there have been no directives to self-quarantine after travel. I really love my school but I think they are making the wrong call right now.
It's one of the few countries that has a CDC travel warning. Currently there are 4 counties with a level 3 warning, Japan alone has a level 2 warning, and a handful of places have level 1 warnings. So, Japan essentially looks like the 5th riskiest country to be in right now.Why is it crazy to go to Japan over other places? They have has as many cases and deaths as the US does. Although, much smaller country and closer to China. I have a couple friends that were planning to do research in Japan this summer but now they aren't sure if they will be allowed to
I currently have spring break plans and no real intention to cancel, but I guess we'll see how the next couple days go :/ if nothing else I'm not going more than a day's drive from here