D.O. contemplating NYU psychiatry

[Taty]

Actually, I never said he didn't have a chance at NYU. I definitely said it was unlikely (and considering the residency classes from 2010-2014 don't have DOs), I still maintain that. Since this whole thread is about semantics, I feel fine asking you to find me the post where I say he doesn't have a shot at NYU.

(Oh, and don't assume that because I've said it's difficult, I said impossible. Just another disclaimer for you guys since you all like to jump down my throat about the assumption thing)

Now, if someone can prove Columbia accepts DO applicants (and looks at them, doesn't just accept an ERAS app), I'll gladly eat crow. I'm going DO, I'll be very happy if I find out a residency doesn't automatically close its doors to DOs. Considering Columbia hasn't taken DOs in the past 14 classes, though, I think I'm pretty safe. As much as you want to say I've lied, you simply can't until you've proven I'm wrong. Burden is on you, my friend. The prevailing opinion on SDN is that NYC schools are anti-DO. If you can prove Columbia actually looks at DO applicants, I'll happily accept it.

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[EagerToBeMD]

Now, if someone can prove Columbia accepts DO applicants (and looks at them, doesn't just accept an ERAS app), I'll gladly eat crow.

How, pray tell, is someone going to prove that Columbia looks at applications from DOs? I can tell you they do and you won't believe me. Short of a Columbia PD coming here with a webcam attached to his desk to show him reviewing a DO application, there's no way anyone can prove that to you. But don't be fooled. Just because we can't prove it, doesn't mean it's untrue. The problem isn't that you want to BELIEVE it's untrue. The problem is that you're telling people it's untrue.

(Edit- I'm done, by the way. As a result of a rather innocuous statement, a huge debacle ensued. You were so quick to assume I was being deliberately disingenuous, which was clearly not the case. Amazing how judgmental some can be...the holier than thou attitude is ridiculous. Anyways, it's worthless to continue this...I think we'll all be happier if we just add each other to the ignore list)

See above. The problem wasn't with you stating what you believed to be true. The problem was with you acting as if it actually was true, even when others pointed out the problem with your argument. As a complete bystander here and not a DO student, even I was irked by it.

 

[Just Joshin]

Now, if someone can prove Columbia accepts DO applicants (and looks at them, doesn't just accept an ERAS app), I'll gladly eat crow

DMU just matched someone in IM at Stamford Hospital/Columbia University College of Physicians & Surgeons. Does that count?

 

[DrWBD]

DMU just matched someone in IM at Stamford Hospital/Columbia University College of Physicians & Surgeons. Does that count?

No.

 

[Just Joshin]

Why not?

 

[LesBois88]

Because it's Stamford Hospital- a Columbia affiliate.

It's like matching Harvard south shore for psychiatry- still has the name, but it isn't "really" Harvard.

 

[Just Joshin]

Because it's Stamford Hospital- a Columbia affiliate.

It's like matching Harvard south shore for psychiatry- still has the name, but it isn't "really" Harvard.

I haven't gone through the match. I don't understand the distinction.

 

[judasreznor]

I haven't gone through the match. I don't understand the distinction.

Those programs are much less competitive than their "real" counterparts. You'll usually see lots of FMG's at at those types of programs.

 

[MedStudentWanna]

Those programs are much less competitive than their "real" counterparts. You'll usually see lots of FMG's at at those types of programs.

This is true, but we weren't talking about competitiveness. The issue was whether or not Columbia even considers DOs for residency spots.

 

[judasreznor]

This is true, but we weren't talking about competitiveness. The issue was whether or not Columbia even considers DOs for residency spots.

If you read the two posts above mine, you will understand what I was responding to. I was not responding to the OP, merely informing the poster directly above me what was meant by affiliate programs not being the same as getting a spot at "real" places (e.g. Harvard and Columbia affiliates vs. Brigham and Women's etc.).

 

[MedStudentWanna]

If you read the two posts above mine, you will understand what I was responding to. I was not responding to the OP, merely informing the poster directly above me what was meant by affiliate programs not being the same as getting a spot at "real" places (e.g. Harvard and Columbia affiliates vs. Brigham and Women's etc.).

I did read the posts, but it's my interpretation that the poster above you wasn't asking about what affiliate programs were or how competitive they were. The poster was asking why it wouldn't count as a spot at Columbia as it is a Columbia-affiliated hospital. And I have that same question.

 

[judasreznor]

I did read the posts, but it's my interpretation that the poster above you wasn't asking about what affiliate programs were or how competitive they were. The poster was asking why it wouldn't count as a spot at Columbia as it is a Columbia-affiliated hospital. And I have that same question.

That's what I thought they meant, too, and that's the question I answered. Technically, I guess it does count because the institution's name is on the name of the residency hospital, but I think what the other person was saying is that it doesn't count due to the competitiveness of getting into the "real" places. It isn't really the same thing. It is somewhat misleading because a school saying, "One of our students got a spot at Harvard", but that student really got a Harvard affiliate doesn't tell the whole story.

 

[DrWBD]

I did read the posts, but it's my interpretation that the poster above you wasn't asking about what affiliate programs were or how competitive they were. The poster was asking why it wouldn't count as a spot at Columbia as it is a Columbia-affiliated hospital. And I have that same question.

Hospital affiliations don't imply anything about academic reputation. Having an "elite" institution's name on an otherwise unremarkable GME program does not magically grant such a program any special quality in terms of education and training.

 

[Gheorgia]

I did read the posts, but it's my interpretation that the poster above you wasn't asking about what affiliate programs were or how competitive they were. The poster was asking why it wouldn't count as a spot at Columbia as it is a Columbia-affiliated hospital. And I have that same question.

The reason why the affiliate program might not count as part of the main residency program at the "prestigious" institution is because the affiliate program really has nothing to do with the main institution's residnecy program. Unless it's a combined program or one where the residents train together at both institutions, the affiliate residency likely has a different chairman, program coordinator, faculty, and even educational training style. Based on my experience (I'm not making any judgement calls about Columbia's program or any other residency programs), the affiliate hospitals are usually smaller regional hospitals that are cash-strapped and on the brink of bankruptcy when they merged or were bought by the larger prestigious institutions.

Some of the affiliate programs are totally separate and actually compete or have conflicts with the main hospitals - I know that some of the chairman at the main institution even complain about having their "prestigious" names attached to a what they regard as an inferior and separate program at the affiliate hospitals. Obviously, this isn't always the case and I'm not trying to make any judgement calls, but unless the main residency programs and affiliate programs both share historical ties or merged long, long ago, they usually don't share anything in common except for their names.

 

[Melomare17]

Now that the merger has gone thru--is it safe to say that DO students can apply and get accepted to NYU's psych program at the same level that the MD students are viewed?

(yes I know it's a bump but relevant today)

 

[metopic]

Now that the merger has gone thru--is it safe to say that DO students can apply and get accepted to NYU's psych program at the same level that the MD students are viewed?

(yes I know it's a bump but relevant today)

No.

 

[Melomare17]

No.

Because..??

 

[Dharma]

Because..??

Old ways. Ivory Towers will not be affected by this at all. Nothing will change for a long time in their kingdom. They have enough top applicants and I guess it just makes it easier to screen the masses with a simple "no DOs". Not to mention the perception that a program with DOs or IMGs must be subpar. I don't agree with this notion, but it's quite common. Example: was reading about Cleveland Clinic the other day in one of the residency forums and the commenter noted something alone the lines of: "I don't know what's happening at Cleveland Clinic. They seem to have a lot of DOs and IMGs now, so something must be up." A merger will not change this attitude for a long time to come. There will always be a perception of difference in the minds of some to some degree. I would not expect that to go away.

So, no chance (or at best a very very very very long shot) at NYU, Columbia, or any other places that have traditionally stayed away from DOs. Maybe in a couple of decades… hope I'm wrong.