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[anbuitachi]

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Hate to say it, but when you're right, you're right.

Mandy Kaling's (Kelly Kapoor from the office) brother got into medical school by pretending he's Black.

Mindy Kaling's brother 'pretended to be black' to get into medical school

Almost Black - The True Story Of An Indian American Who Got Into Medical School Pretending To Be An African American

his AMCAS application transcript, noticed the "self dec: black"



I can't believe this is real... he got in to Wash U in St. Louis, haha easily top 10 med school.

"only be honest about everything on my application, EXCEPT my race."

Man that makes the system look real bad

 

[bellevueperson]

In other countries teachers are paid more too.

But in this country private school teachers are paid a lot too 🙂

You can make a difference by signing up for Big Brothers Big Sisters of America. One of the most rewarding experiences of my life. Teach your little sib what you want to see as the change in the communities.

Having taught science in an underserved, inner-city high school for two years, I at least began to see the myriad challenges that teachers and students face. There's the difference in pay and respect the teaching profession receives in our country versus others; it's hard to recruit top talent when there are tech companies, investment banks, and other companies offering college grads so much more. There are the socioeconomic struggles kids and their families deal with (health issues, parents working multiple jobs, having to work or take care of siblings, etc.); so many of them are already light-years behind their more affluent peers by the time they reach middle school in terms of basic math, reading, and writing skills. There's also some mismanagement of resources in terms of classroom sizes, inept leadership, use of professional development money, unused computers, etc. I agree that I did see stigma towards the "smart" or hard-working students: the cool or tough kids were respected, and while the "nerds" weren't bullied, they certainly weren't popular.

Certainly eye opening and rewarding to feel like you're at least making a small difference in some of their lives.

 

[deleted171991]

Nerds are not popular anywhere in the world. Children are as envious as adults. They never wonder why the "nerd" is better at stuff. This nerd used to spend 4-5 hours daily doing math and science homework, for many years, while I could hear my peers playing outside. But the dynamics between the "nerds" and the "cool kids" were very similar.

Not coincidentally, "nerds" (and most hard-working people) are (closet) introverts. In a country that treats introverts like witches (we even have books to reassure people that it's good to be introvert), it's not surprising that those specific cultures flourish which appreciate "eggheads" (e.g. Asians, Jews, hard-working immigrants).

@bellevueperson, my mom grew up in a very poor family. She became the first of her family to go to college and then the first to grad school, because my grandma (who could not finish more than 6 classes - had to support her family) swore that her children will go to college. And they did. So A LOT depends on the parents. But also on the state offering (equal) opportunities. I have 10 years of university education (not counting residencies) in a country where education was cheap and meritocratic.

 

[dchz]

@bellevueperson, my mom grew up in a very poor family. She became the first of her family to go to college and then the first to grad school, because my grandma (who could not finish more than 6 classes - had to support her family) swore that her children will go to college. And they did. So A LOT depends on the parents. But also on the state offering (equal) opportunities. I have 10 years of university education (not counting residencies) in a country where education was cheap and meritocratic.

On this eve of Father's day, let's give thanks to our parents.

My mom grew up in the poor country side and my dad grew up with a single parent (which is a huge stigma in the chinese society) in China. They were the first class of people to have higher education after the cultural revolution. After becoming physicians in China they decided to uproot themselves to come to America... our houshold income when i was in middle school was about $20k for 3 people. My mom went from a upper middle class pediatrician to a waitress making $1.25 base pay (sometimes not above minimum wage after the tips) just so she could help out the family, at the age of 39. My Dad went from a nephrologist to a basic researcher that just washed lab equipment for $18k a year at the age of 36....

I never really understood why they did that... but
I don't complain when things are hard because of such ridiculous role models growing up. I was lucky because I thought that kind of work ethic and humility was normal. That's what i tried to instill in my "little sib" - Think for yourself, work for what you want. Nothing is fair in life. It's not where you started but what you achieved at the end through hard work.

I'm thankful for my parents.

 

[anbuitachi]

On this eve of Father's day, let's give thanks to our parents.

My mom grew up in the poor country side and my dad grew up with a single parent (which is a huge stigma in the chinese society) in China. They were the first class of people to have higher education after the cultural revolution. After becoming physicians in China they decided to uproot themselves to come to America... our houshold income when i was in middle school was about $20k for 3 people. My mom went from a upper middle class pediatrician to a waitress making $1.25 base pay (sometimes not above minimum wage after the tips) just so she could help out the family, at the age of 39. My Dad went from a nephrologist to a basic researcher that just washed lab equipment for $18k a year at the age of 36....

I never really understood why they did that... but
I don't complain when things are hard because of such ridiculous role models growing up. I was lucky because I thought that kind of work ethic and humility was normal. That's what i tried to instill in my "little sib" - Think for yourself, work for what you want. Nothing is fair in life. It's not where you started but what you achieved at the end through hard work.

I'm thankful for my parents.

To continue the trend, my mom was a pediatrician before moving to US. As a pediatrician, she made the equivalent of 75 USD a month. Dad was MD PhD working as a professor, he made 60 USD a month. We were considered middle class. Both of my parents were first generation college graduates and grew up in very poor families (no running water, no electricity, often without food and had to starve). After coming to US, my mom couldn't find a job so she was unemployed for a decade. Dad made 13k a year in a lab to support the family of 3. Great role models. Very proud and thankful for my parents.

Sounds like some of us have similar backgrounds =)

 

[dchz]

As a pediatrician, she made the equivalent of 75 USD a month. Dad was MD PhD working as a professor, he made 60 USD a month. We were considered middle class.

I looked up the GDP numbers, they were middle class..... damn i had it harder than i thought huh...

Sounds like some of us have similar backgrounds =)

Umm... Speak for yourself peasant! My mom had food because she worked in the field for 3 hours before she went to school starting at the age of 8. 😛

 

[Psai]

Look at these poor mferslol

 

[qwerty89]

Scorching hot take alert:

I have a feeling in Asian countries communities it’s cool to be the smartest kid on the block and this is probably the same in other communities that traditionally do well academically.

There is a problem in the black community in that “smart guy” is the one who will get joked on and it continues in middle and high school to an extent. That’s something that we as black people need
to figure out a way to change in our community. It’s interest but I used to listen to this podcast called “The Champs” that was hosted by Neal Brennan. He was one of the creators of Chappelle Show and was one of Chappelles writing partners. He’s a white guy and they interviewed only black comedians and celebrities. An interesting trend was that many successful black people in this country grew up, as they would put “effing with white people” meaning that’s who they grew up around, hung with, and importantly knew how to interact with. It’s straw man argument likely but think of the effect of growing up and not having people clown you because you got an A on the test.

It’s a hot take but I thinks there’s validity to it. It’s a problem that we must figure out a way to solve among ourselves in the black community. The kids need to know it’s more important to be able to do calculus than recite Migos lyrics. But hey, that’s all easier said than done.

I may have digressed some from topic but it felt pertinent

Thomas Sowell would agree.


Also regarding affirmative action
Attacking the Truth, by Dr. Thomas Sowell

"Much empirical research over the years has confirmed Justice Scalia's concern that admitting black students to institutions for which their academic preparation is not sufficient can be making them worse off instead of better off.

I became painfully aware of this problem more than 40 years ago, when I was teaching at Cornell University, and discovered that half the black students there were on some form of academic probation.


These students were not stupid or uneducable. On the contrary, the average black student at Cornell at that time scored at the 75th percentile on scholastic tests. Their academic qualifications were better than those of three-quarters of all American students who took those tests.

Why were they in trouble at Cornell, then? Because the average Cornell student in the liberal arts college at that time scored at the 99th percentile. The classes taught there — including mine — moved at a speed geared to the verbal and mathematical level of the top one percent of American students.

The average white student would have been wiped out at Cornell. But the average white student was unlikely to be admitted to Cornell, in the first place. Nor was a white student who scored at the 75th percentile.

That was a "favor" reserved for black students. This "favor" turned black students who would have been successful at most American colleges and universities into failures at Cornell.

None of this was peculiar to Cornell. Black students who scored at the 90th percentile in math had serious academic problems trying to keep up at M.I.T., where other students scored somewhere within the top 99th percentile.


Nearly one-fourth of these black students with stellar qualifications in math failed to graduate from M.I.T., and those who did graduate were concentrated in the bottom tenth of the class.

There were other fine engineering schools around the country where those same students could have learned more, when taught at a normal pace, rather than at a breakneck speed geared to students with extremely rare abilities in math."

 

[deleted171991]

For those who cannot properly read the graph, it shows that, while the number of 18-21 year-old Asians has almost doubled, the percentage of Asian enrollment has stayed the same in almost all Ivy League universities. You know, the people who invented admission interviews in the 30's, because the meritocratic admission exams allowed too many Jews. 😉

 

[doctalaughs]

Thomas Sowell would agree.


Also regarding affirmative action
Attacking the Truth, by Dr. Thomas Sowell

"Much empirical research over the years has confirmed Justice Scalia's concern that admitting black students to institutions for which their academic preparation is not sufficient can be making them worse off instead of better off.

I became painfully aware of this problem more than 40 years ago, when I was teaching at Cornell University, and discovered that half the black students there were on some form of academic probation.


These students were not stupid or uneducable. On the contrary, the average black student at Cornell at that time scored at the 75th percentile on scholastic tests. Their academic qualifications were better than those of three-quarters of all American students who took those tests.

Why were they in trouble at Cornell, then? Because the average Cornell student in the liberal arts college at that time scored at the 99th percentile. The classes taught there — including mine — moved at a speed geared to the verbal and mathematical level of the top one percent of American students.

The average white student would have been wiped out at Cornell. But the average white student was unlikely to be admitted to Cornell, in the first place. Nor was a white student who scored at the 75th percentile.

That was a "favor" reserved for black students. This "favor" turned black students who would have been successful at most American colleges and universities into failures at Cornell.

None of this was peculiar to Cornell. Black students who scored at the 90th percentile in math had serious academic problems trying to keep up at M.I.T., where other students scored somewhere within the top 99th percentile.


Nearly one-fourth of these black students with stellar qualifications in math failed to graduate from M.I.T., and those who did graduate were concentrated in the bottom tenth of the class.

There were other fine engineering schools around the country where those same students could have learned more, when taught at a normal pace, rather than at a breakneck speed geared to students with extremely rare abilities in math."

THIS. We need to concentrate resources on early education and cultural changes, not lowering the bar for people based on race once they reach adulthood.

The graph posted earlier about admission scores/grades for different races says it all. They arent lowering the bar a little, it’s a MASSIVE handicap (more than 1 standard deviation). You can whine all you want about looking at the “whole” application, but those are the cold hard statistics - besides, hand-waving “whole application” arguments somehow magically assume the black/hispanic students somehow have *on average* better “other non-score/grade”factors than white and asian applicants, which clearly is pure fiction.

Again- try to even to disparity with early education and cultural shifts but affirmative action only perpetuates bias (because bias is then confirmed by fact- the minority candidate WAS less qualified). I would go so far as to say affirmative action was THE major reason people elected Trump, even if it’s not mentioned much.

 

[qwerty89]

For those who cannot properly read the graph, it shows that, while the number of 18-21 year-old Asians has almost doubled, the percentage of Asian enrollment has stayed the same in almost all Ivy League universities. You know, the people who invented admission interviews in the 30's, because the meritocratic admission exams allowed too many Jews. 😉

and Caltech does not use affirmative action.

 

[deleted171991]

and Caltech does not use affirmative action.

That explains why they were the only ones who apparently kept up.

Although that graph is a bit manipulative, because it uses percentages for Asian enrollment, but absolute numbers for the Asian youth population, the NYT article itself (from 2013) is clearer: Statistics Indicate an Ivy League Asian Quota - NYTimes.com. Unfortunately, it doesn't allow me to paste the interesting parts here.

 

[Twiggidy]

I think the point is being forgotten that places like Harvard, though still wanting elite students, want elite "well rounded" students. I'm not denying that there is some possible bias against Asians going on here as there very well may be, but we need to remember it isn't about hard numbers. This isn't like Derm haveing a 260 Step 1 cutoff. Harvard has sports teams, believe it or not "Arts", and other stuff that they consider contributing to the student body.So my advice to the Asian parents (or any parent in reality) who feels their kid with perfect academics may be oppressed is to encourage that kid to play a sport, join the drama club, or something that will show that the kid is not only academically elite, but will have something to contribute to the university. It's easy to say, "hey my kid has a perfect score over that other kid" but if "other kid" has even semi decent academics but can run real fast or jump real high or hell, even write a funny sketch (think Harvard Lampoon), "other kid" application may go to the definite pile faster while "perfect academics" kid's application sits in the maybe or reject pile.

It's not even different from when we interview applicants for jobs. For the most part, all the CVs look the same. They're all perfect, meaning, medical and residency are complete. Now you need separators. What makes applicant A better than B? I empathize where Asians are coming from feeling discriminated because Lord knows my people have been discriminated against for years (no matter how many people in the Sociopolitical forum want to deny it), but I'm also playing devil's advocate. Harvard still wants strong academics, but they also want to win the Ivy League in sports, they want future Olympians, and future TV writers as well as politicians, lawyers, and doctors, etc.

 

[nimbus]

I think the point is being forgotten that places like Harvard, though still wanting elite students, want elite "well rounded" students. I'm not denying that there is some possible bias against Asians going on here as there very well may be, but we need to remember it isn't about hard numbers. This isn't like Derm haveing a 260 Step 1 cutoff. Harvard has sports teams, believe it or not "Arts", and other stuff that they consider contributing to the student body.So my advice to the Asian parents (or any parent in reality) who feels their kid with perfect academics may be oppressed is to encourage that kid to play a sport, join the drama club, or something that will show that the kid is not only academically elite, but will have something to contribute to the university. It's easy to say, "hey my kid has a perfect score over that other kid" but if "other kid" has even semi decent academics but can run real fast or jump real high or hell, even write a funny sketch (think Harvard Lampoon), "other kid" application may go to the definite pile faster while "perfect academics" kid's application sits in the maybe or reject pile.

It's not even different from when we interview applicants for jobs. For the most part, all the CVs look the same. They're all perfect, meaning, medical and residency are complete. Now you need separators. What makes applicant A better than B? I empathize where Asians are coming from feeling discriminated because Lord knows my people have been discriminated against for years (no matter how many people in the Sociopolitical forum want to deny it), but I'm also playing devil's advocate. Harvard still wants strong academics, but they also want to win the Ivy League in sports, they want future Olympians, and future TV writers as well as politicians, lawyers, and doctors, etc.

The Asian kids getting rejected by Harvard ARE talented and well rounded and incredibly accomplished. Many are on state orchestra, captain of the tennis team, volunteering, newspaper editor, yada yada AND have near perfect SAT scores. They actually rate higher on extracurricular activities than any other group. When “holistic” admissions started, the Asian kids stepped up and made themselves well rounded. But according to the pompous geniuses on the Harvard admissions committee, these 17 and 18 year olds now score lower on measures of “personality” such as “courage” and “likability” whatever the f*** that means. This wouldn’t even have been revealed if it weren’t for a lawsuit filed on behalf of Asians by a conservative activist.

Really if they want to reject Asian kids to maintain some ideal racial balance in their incoming classes, they should just say so. Instead they made up a dubious “personality” category to manipulate the number of Asians they accept. Harvard should not be perpetuating some racist myth that Asian kids have inferior “personalities” compared to kids of other races. The absurdity is mind boggling. Think of your coworkers. Do the Asians really have worse personalities? Are they lazier or whinier or more dishonest or less cheerful than other races?

Harvard Rated Asian-American Applicants Lower on Personality Traits, Suit Says

 

[doctalaughs]

Twiggidy- so you are aasuming that asian students as a group somehow are less “well-rounded” have fewer “extra-curricular non-academic talents” compared to black or hispanic students?

And you are saying this, mind you, with zero hard evidence, zero statistics. Just some hand-waving to justify their PROVEN need to score one standard deviation above whites and two above blacks/hispanic students in order to gain equal admission chances?

Isnt that sort of, um racist?

 

[Twiggidy]

The Asian kids getting rejected by Harvard ARE talented and well rounded and incredibly accomplished. Many are on state orchestra, captain of the tennis team, volunteering, newspaper editor, yada yada AND have near perfect SAT scores. They actually rate higher on extracurricular activities than any other group. When “holistic” admissions started, the Asian kids stepped up and made themselves well rounded. But according to the pompous geniuses on the Harvard admissions committee, these 17 and 18 year olds now score lower on measures of “personality” such as “courage” and “likability” whatever the f*** that means. This wouldn’t even have been revealed if it weren’t for a lawsuit filed on behalf of Asians by a conservative activist.

Really if they want to reject Asian kids to maintain some ideal racial balance in their incoming classes, they should just say so. Instead they made up a dubious “personality” category to manipulate the number of Asians they accept. Harvard should not be perpetuating some racist myth that Asian kids have inferior “personalities” compared to kids of other races. The absurdity is mind boggling. Think of your coworkers. Do the Asians really have worse personalities? Are they lazier or whinier or more dishonest or less cheerful than other races?

Harvard Rated Asian-American Applicants Lower on Personality Traits, Suit Says

To be honest, I want to know what the "likability" and "personality" scores mean too.

 

[Twiggidy]

Twiggidy- so you are aasuming that asian students as a group somehow are less “well-rounded” have fewer “extra-curricular non-academic talents” compared to black or hispanic students?

And you are saying this, mind you, with zero hard evidence, zero statistics. Just some hand-waving to justify their PROVEN need to score one standard deviation above whites and two above blacks/hispanic students in order to gain equal admission chances?

Isnt that sort of, um racist?

"Harvard said it was implausible that Harvard’s 40-member admissions committee, some of whom were Asian-Americans, would conclude that Asian-American applicants were less personable than other races."

You're asking these questions to the wrong person....

 

[Twiggidy]

The Asian kids getting rejected by Harvard ARE talented and well rounded and incredibly accomplished. Many are on state orchestra, captain of the tennis team, volunteering, newspaper editor, yada yada AND have near perfect SAT scores. They actually rate higher on extracurricular activities than any other group. When “holistic” admissions started, the Asian kids stepped up and made themselves well rounded. But according to the pompous geniuses on the Harvard admissions committee, these 17 and 18 year olds now score lower on measures of “personality” such as “courage” and “likability” whatever the f*** that means. This wouldn’t even have been revealed if it weren’t for a lawsuit filed on behalf of Asians by a conservative activist.

Really if they want to reject Asian kids to maintain some ideal racial balance in their incoming classes, they should just say so. Instead they made up a dubious “personality” category to manipulate the number of Asians they accept. Harvard should not be perpetuating some racist myth that Asian kids have inferior “personalities” compared to kids of other races. The absurdity is mind boggling. Think of your coworkers. Do the Asians really have worse personalities? Are they lazier or whinier or more dishonest or less cheerful than other races?

Harvard Rated Asian-American Applicants Lower on Personality Traits, Suit Says

College Admission Is Not a Personality Contest. Or Is It?

It still doesn't truly answer how "personality" is measure. The interview? The letters of rec? The essay? The reality is that when schools, jobs, etc don't use simply "numbers" for their admission/hiring, everything else becomes subjective. Are they being racist? Hell, maybe. Probably. Likely being stereoptypical AF, but subjective matters are always easy to skate around, it just looks ugly when it's on paper, which seems to be what Harvard was/is doing.

That challenge is to ask, "how would I measure this myself?" Think about that thread not long ago about "what to ask in an interview?" and how our own colleagues come to conclusions about people's reliability and work either based on questions during an interview. one person said they wouldn't want someone for "asking about salary". I guess I'll have to keep this in mind next time I interview someone at our practice.

 

[dchz]

El Camino Hospital ED doc fired

I wonder who will derail this thread?

 

[dchz]

This thread has derailed into a discussion about race and medicine. While I found it therapeutic to actually voice some of my thoughts. I also want to take this time to draw attention to an organization for those that really want to make a difference.

Big Brothers and Big Sisters of America.
Volunteer and help an underprivileged child today.

 

[chocomorsel]

Thomas Sowell would agree.


Also regarding affirmative action
Attacking the Truth, by Dr. Thomas Sowell

"Much empirical research over the years has confirmed Justice Scalia's concern that admitting black students to institutions for which their academic preparation is not sufficient can be making them worse off instead of better off.

I became painfully aware of this problem more than 40 years ago, when I was teaching at Cornell University, and discovered that half the black students there were on some form of academic probation.


These students were not stupid or uneducable. On the contrary, the average black student at Cornell at that time scored at the 75th percentile on scholastic tests. Their academic qualifications were better than those of three-quarters of all American students who took those tests.

Why were they in trouble at Cornell, then? Because the average Cornell student in the liberal arts college at that time scored at the 99th percentile. The classes taught there — including mine — moved at a speed geared to the verbal and mathematical level of the top one percent of American students.

The average white student would have been wiped out at Cornell. But the average white student was unlikely to be admitted to Cornell, in the first place. Nor was a white student who scored at the 75th percentile.

That was a "favor" reserved for black students. This "favor" turned black students who would have been successful at most American colleges and universities into failures at Cornell.

None of this was peculiar to Cornell. Black students who scored at the 90th percentile in math had serious academic problems trying to keep up at M.I.T., where other students scored somewhere within the top 99th percentile.


Nearly one-fourth of these black students with stellar qualifications in math failed to graduate from M.I.T., and those who did graduate were concentrated in the bottom tenth of the class.

There were other fine engineering schools around the country where those same students could have learned more, when taught at a normal pace, rather than at a breakneck speed geared to students with extremely rare abilities in math."

Well hell, then let’s build us a bunch of minority colleges to cater to “our” 99th percentile students who struggle at places like Cornell and MIT.
But seriously though, do we just throw out the baby with the bath water because it may make some students “look bad”?
IDK.

 

[chocomorsel]

The Asian kids getting rejected by Harvard ARE talented and well rounded and incredibly accomplished. Many are on state orchestra, captain of the tennis team, volunteering, newspaper editor, yada yada AND have near perfect SAT scores. They actually rate higher on extracurricular activities than any other group. When “holistic” admissions started, the Asian kids stepped up and made themselves well rounded. But according to the pompous geniuses on the Harvard admissions committee, these 17 and 18 year olds now score lower on measures of “personality” such as “courage” and “likability” whatever the f*** that means. This wouldn’t even have been revealed if it weren’t for a lawsuit filed on behalf of Asians by a conservative activist.

Really if they want to reject Asian kids to maintain some ideal racial balance in their incoming classes, they should just say so. Instead they made up a dubious “personality” category to manipulate the number of Asians they accept. Harvard should not be perpetuating some racist myth that Asian kids have inferior “personalities” compared to kids of other races. The absurdity is mind boggling. Think of your coworkers. Do the Asians really have worse personalities? Are they lazier or whinier or more dishonest or less cheerful than other races?

Harvard Rated Asian-American Applicants Lower on Personality Traits, Suit Says

Well this is just crazy wrong. Personalities are so subjective and who’s to say a certain personality type is better than another?

 

[nimbus]

So what becomes of this "diverse", humanistic and well balanced incoming freshman class that the Harvard admissions committee purports to craft? Fully 1/3 go on to Wall Street to get jobs in finance and consulting. There they learn to skim as much money as possible off hardworking ER docs and anesthesiologists😉. Good job Harvard! Maybe they should just pick the kids with the highest test scores instead of the ones who are best at gaming "holistic" admissions criteria. Maybe, just maybe, they'd provide greater societal benefit by admitting more Asian premeds.

Harvard’s Wall Street Problem | Opinion | The Harvard Crimson

 

[Twiggidy]

Well this is just crazy wrong. Personalities are so subjective and who’s to say a certain personality type is better than another?

Well they said Asians "scored lower" but I want to know how that scoring works. I don't think Harvard will ever tell exactly how. On the surface it sounds like problems with interview skills, which as I said in my previous post, is something that we even deal with in our field when we interview candidates.

 

[nimbus]

Well they said Asians "scored lower" but I want to know how that scoring works. I don't think Harvard will ever tell exactly how. On the surface it sounds like problems with interview skills, which as I said in my previous post, is something that we even deal with in our field when we interview candidates.

On average, the Asian applicants actually performed very well on the alumni interviews. From the Harvard Crimson

“The report found that Asian American applicants performed significantly better in rankings of test scores, academics, and overall scores from alumni interviews. Of 10 characteristics, white students performed significantly better in only one—rankings of personal qualities, which are assigned by the Admissions Office.”

Internal Harvard Review Showed Disadvantage for Asian Applicants | News | The Harvard Crimson

 

[Twiggidy]

On average, the Asian applicants actually performed very well on the alumni interviews. From the Harvard Crimson

“The report found that Asian American applicants performed significantly better in rankings of test scores, academics, and overall scores from alumni interviews. Of 10 characteristics, white students performed significantly better in only one—rankings of personal qualities, which are assigned by the Admissions Office.”

Internal Harvard Review Showed Disadvantage for Asian Applicants | News | The Harvard Crimson

I will say this I saw a article where they used the words "passive", "rigid", "too quiet", "low impact" among others...
The Ivy League Asian Problem | HuffPost

I 1000% agree with you and say that is screwed up and they are playing stereotypes. On the other hand, if Harvard prides themselves is not only taking the academically strong but also developing the future leaders of wherever, then the applicants have to learn to be a better interviewee. This is the same stuff black folks have to go through when we battle stereotypes against us (loud, late, lack intelligence, etc). Basicially, you have to learn to play the game.

 

[nimbus]

I will say this I saw a article where they used the words "passive", "rigid", "too quiet", "low impact" among others...
The Ivy League Asian Problem | HuffPost

I 1000% agree with you and say that is screwed up and they are playing stereotypes. On the other hand, if Harvard prides themselves is not only taking the academically strong but also developing the future leaders of wherever, then the applicants have to learn to be a better interviewee. This is the same stuff black folks have to go through when we battle stereotypes against us (loud, late, lack intelligence, etc). Basicially, you have to learn to play the game.

If you read the quote, the alumni interviewers gave the Asian applicants higher interview scores than any other group. They interview very well.

The admissions offices constantly change the game. The Asian applicants adapt quickly, learn to play the new game and play it very well. And it’s still not enough.

 

[deleted162650]

If you read the quote, the alumni interviewers gave the Asian applicants higher interview scores than any other group. They interview very well.

The admissions offices constantly change the game. The Asian applicants adapt quickly, learn to play the new game and play it very well. And it’s still not enough.

Ya, but the admissions committee places a lotta weight on being able to make an “L” sound.





I kid, I kid.

 

[Twiggidy]

If you read the quote, the alumni interviewers gave the Asian applicants higher interview scores than any other group. They interview very well. They learned to play the game and play it very well and it’s still not enough.

Acknowledged. I misread the quote. I, and I'm sure everyone else, would still like to know more about those "personal qualities assigned by the Admissions Office". I'm saying this IN FAVOR of Asians, because yes, when someone is saying a particular group is scoring lower in a single subjective category, it points to discrimination.

 

[chocomorsel]

On average, the Asian applicants actually performed very well on the alumni interviews. From the Harvard Crimson

“The report found that Asian American applicants performed significantly better in rankings of test scores, academics, and overall scores from alumni interviews. Of 10 characteristics, white students performed significantly better in only one—rankings of personal qualities, which are assigned by the Admissions Office.”

Internal Harvard Review Showed Disadvantage for Asian Applicants | News | The Harvard Crimson

Total BS. Could be totally attributed to cultural norms that people outside that culture find “strange”.
Give me a break. We all need some cultural awareness here. This totally sounds racist.

 

[chocomorsel]

If you read the quote, the alumni interviewers gave the Asian applicants higher interview scores than any other group. They interview very well.

The admissions offices constantly change the game. The Asian applicants adapt quickly, learn to play the new game and play it very well. And it’s still not enough.

Well these Asians need to go up in there and act “black”. You know, loud, funny, street smart! Lol

Y’all gotta stay ahead of the White Man’s game!!

 

[Twiggidy]

Well these Asians need to go up in there and act “black”. You know, loud, funny, street smart! Lol

Y’all gotta stay ahead of the White Man’s game!!

So basically be Jeremy Lin

i'm kidding! come on guys. let's have a little fun......but seriously, if you're Asian, can shoot some ball and are pretty smart, you're probably gonna get in. if not my alma mater will take you in a heart beat because our basketball team SUUUUCKS (Harvard beat them fyi)

 

[doctalaughs]

Race-blind admissions. Completely remove name, demographics etc from the applications and let blinded committee rate them.

If you want to talk about your race in the essay then it could be reviewed by a separate blinded committee with instructions to not take race into account. It's the only way we eliminate discrimination (positive and negative) and admit students based on INDIVIDUAL MERIT.

 

[Psai]

Race-blind admissions. Completely remove name, demographics etc from the applications and let blinded committee rate them.

If you want to talk about your race in the essay then it could be reviewed by a separate blinded committee with instructions to not take race into account. It's the only way we eliminate discrimination (positive and negative) and admit students based on INDIVIDUAL MERIT.

Nah thats how you end up with too many jews

 

[Drangue]

Thank you. Minorities had a batter chance of getting in than me. Furthermore, I was a minority in Med school.

I'm confused by this statement. You are saying that minorities have a better chance getting accepted into medical school than you despite you being a minority yourself?

 

[vector2]

Seems like a no-win situation for Harvard...

*imagines the contra factual universe where Harvard admissions are purely merit based, the student body is now 40% Asian, and all the outrage threads are about how unfair that is.*


How about just making the only affirmative action category socioeconomic status? Anti-AA ppl will be happy because race is explicitly removed from the equation, pro-AA ppl will be happy because SES correlates highly with under-represented minorities but doesn't explicitly discriminate against the poor white from West Virginia?

 

[acidbase1]

I'm confused by this statement. You are saying that minorities have a better chance getting accepted into medical school than you despite you being a minority yourself?

I’m Caucasian. I was a minority in medical school. However, I had people with worse stats (minorities) get accepted to medical school over me the first time around. They weren’t Asian or Indian tho

 

[chocomorsel]

I’m Caucasian. I was a minority in medical school. However, I had people with worse stats (minorities) get accepted to medical school over me the first time around. They weren’t Asian or Indian tho

Did you go to an HBCU?

 

[Twiggidy]

Did you go to an HBCU?

 

[Psai]

I’m Caucasian. I was a minority in medical school. However, I had people with worse stats (minorities) get accepted to medical school over me the first time around. They weren’t Asian or Indian tho

"I was a minority in med school" ****ing lol

 

[deleted162650]

This whole conversation reminds me of a conversation I had with one of the locals I got to be friends/fishing buddies with back when I was a med student (Mid-Atlantic region). He told me, "I can always tell when you med students are out partying. You guy look like an F'n Benetton ad."

 

[TheLoneWolf]

'Dancing Doctor' agrees to 2.5-year suspension of medical license, records show - CNN

Indefinate suspension of medical licence but can petition the Georgia medical board after two and a half years to lift the suspension. I can imagine the board rewatching the twerking videos in the OR and stamping a big DENIED over the application.

 

[deleted171991]

Trump Officials Reverse Obama’s Policy on Affirmative Action in Schools