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The point of posting that video was simply to highlight what people mean by "privilege". Fundamentally isn't a race thing but a socioeconomic thing that, within the general society of the USA, happens to grossly coincide with ethnicity. When an individual fails to appreciate the potentially enormous head start / leg up that they had because they were able to "stand on the shoulders" of their parents & ancestors, then they are at a loss to appreciate the hurdles faced by those that did not have such advantages.

This should never be about being punished for starting with an advantage; but rather, as you said, providing "equal opportunities". The key is understanding that for an opportunity to be truly equal, those additional hurdles must also be dealt with. Another way to examine the disparity is this cartoon:
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This girl paula sounds like my friend J. Paula kinda looks Asian too.

For what it's worth, America has an EXTREMELY upward mobile society. Compared to the other countries, the opportunities presented here are amazing. Which enables the Brain Drain phenomenon described above about the graduate hard science departments in academia.

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I know it's the nearly universal accepted "fact" that China's ascendancy is inevitable and imminent, but I don't believe it.

China is screwed for many reasons.

Provincial debt
Real estate bubble
One child policy = impending demographic catastrophe
Communist government
Culture of conformity
A billion people living in mud hut poverty
Their cheap labor is being undercut by southeast Asian countries
Nationwide environmental catastrophes are just picking up steam
Inability to project military power more than about 80 yards off their coast
Best Korea doing the things Best Korea does

Envy of China's place in the world, now or in our kids' lifetimes, is misplaced.

As someone that got lucky and escaped from that hell hole of a country, your post hit the nail on the head. I wanna be right here in 'Murica, even if it's racist.
 
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This girl paula sounds like my friend J. Paula kinda looks Asian too.

For what it's worth, America has an EXTREMELY upward mobile society. Compared to the other countries, the opportunities presented here are amazing. Which enables the Brain Drain phenomenon described above about the graduate hard science departments in academia.
As an immigrant, who landed with 2 suitcases and $2000 in my pocketses (AND a medical school diploma), I strongly agree.
 
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As someone that got lucky and escaped from that hell hole of a country, your post hit the nail on the head. I wanna be right here in 'Murica, even if it's racist.
All autocracies are hellholes. Communist, capitalist, doesn't matter. That's why people should be very careful whom they elect, even in a democracy. It took Hitler only about 3 years to start turning Germany into another hellhole.
 
I think sometimes people get way to hung up in "scores" or "GPA" and don't stop to think there is more to admissions/hiring/etc than numbers on a piece of paper. It's just my opinion but I think people are coming up with convenient excuses for why they didn't get something over someone else. For instance, with college admissions, unless a school does say they have a strict cutoff, then there's more to the packages than a perfect SAT score. Student A may want to take their perfect 1600 (is that still the high?) SAT and 4.0 GPA to Harvard or Princeton but have nothing else to offer in their package vs Student B who maybe had a 1400 and a 3.7 but was also Class President, captain of the baseball team, and volunteered at the soup kitchen while their single mother was working two jobs. Did Affirmative Action play a role? Maybe, but maybe Harvard also wants what Student B brings to their incoming class more than Student A's perfect scores. I always joke that "I'm a product of AA and proud of it" but I also had a "decent" SAT but a 4.0 and was a high school athlete and class vice president, therefore, I also think I was good enough for just about ANY college. I had a decent MCAT and pretty good GPA (most of you probably would think I shouldn't have gotten into med school) but i went to my home state school and had a high step 1 and graduated top 1/3 or my class. So maybe I was an AA case or maybe I wasn't

This is also a reason why once in med school (at least) affirmative action disappears. If to get an interview in ENT you need a 250 Step 1, then that's going to weed everyone below that out. For the most part colleges don't have cutoffs.

As for "privilege", I think it's been turned into this ugly word, but hell, I would LOVE to be privileged, which I guess as doctor, economically I am and my children will be. That's not a bad thing. That's a blessing for that child. The kid will still have to work, but it won't be that kid's fault that it has advantages over poor kid in the ghetto/trailer park. What needs to be taught is to not "stomp your feet when you don't get what you want" and I think that's where "privilege" gets thrown in people's faces. People need to learn how to take the "loss" and move on. So "rich kid A" didn't get into Harvard because they took "Javier". I'm can make a strong guess that "rich kid A" probably got into Yale and Columbia also. If "rich kid A" got denied from all the Ivys, then maybe "rich kid A" needs to examine their application instead of blaming affirmative action.
 
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I think sometimes people get way to hung up in "scores" or "GPA" and don't stop to think there is more to admissions/hiring/etc than numbers on a piece of paper. It's just my opinion but I think people are coming up with convenient excuses for why they didn't get something over someone else. For instance, with college admissions, unless a school does say they have a strict cutoff, then there's more to the packages than a perfect SAT score. Student A may want to take their perfect 1600 (is that still the high?) SAT and 4.0 GPA to Harvard or Princeton but have nothing else to offer in their package vs Student B who maybe had a 1400 and a 3.7 but was also Class President, captain of the baseball team, and volunteered at the soup kitchen while their single mother was working two jobs. Did Affirmative Action play a role? Maybe, but maybe Harvard also wants what Student B brings to their incoming class more than Student A's perfect scores. I always joke that "I'm a product of AA and proud of it" but I also had a "decent" SAT but a 4.0 and was a high school athlete and class vice president, therefore, I also think I was good enough for just about ANY college. I had a decent MCAT and pretty good GPA (most of you probably would think I shouldn't have gotten into med school) but i went to my home state school and had a high step 1 and graduated top 1/3 or my class. So maybe I was an AA case or maybe I wasn't

This is also a reason why once in med school (at least) affirmative action disappears. If to get an interview in ENT you need a 250 Step 1, then that's going to weed everyone below that out. For the most part colleges don't have cutoffs.

As for "privilege", I think it's been turned into this ugly word, but hell, I would LOVE to be privileged, which I guess as doctor, economically I am and my children will be. That's not a bad thing. That's a blessing for that child. The kid will still have to work, but it won't be that kid's fault that it has advantages over poor kid in the ghetto/trailer park. What needs to be taught is to not "stomp your feet when you don't get what you want" and I think that's where "privilege" gets thrown in people's faces. People need to learn how to take the "loss" and move on. So "rich kid A" didn't get into Harvard because they took "Javier". I'm can make a strong guess that "rich kid A" probably got into Yale and Columbia also. If "rich kid A" got denied from all the Ivys, then maybe "rich kid A" needs to examine their application instead of blaming affirmative action.


Using college admissions as an example, the average Asian male admitted to Princeton has an SAT score 150 points higher than his white counterpart. But white kids are never thought to be an affirmative action case. They aren’t made to feel like they are “taking the place” of a more qualified Asian kid. People don’t make assumptions that they are less qualified even though, on average, they have lower SAT scores. I’m pretty sure every white kid at Princeton feels like they earned their admission and didn’t displace someone more deserving. Black students should have the same privilege not not have to continuously justify their presence.

And according to te Princeton website, they only admit 9% of kids with SATs between 1500-1600 and only about half the applicants with a perfect 1600......meaning high SATs alone doesn’t mean s***. They could probably fill an entire freshman class with 1500+ students but thats not what they’re looking for and, imo, that is reasonable.
 
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Using college admissions as an example, the average Asian male admitted to Princeton has an SAT score 150 points higher than his white counterpart. But white kids are never thought to be an affirmative action case. They aren’t made to feel like they are “taking the place” of a more qualified Asian kid. People don’t make assumptions that they are less qualified even though, on average, they have lower SAT scores. I’m pretty sure every white kid at Princeton feels like they earned their admission and didn’t displace someone more deserving. Black students should have the same privilege not not have to continuously justify their presence.

And according to te Princeton website, they only admit 9% of kids with SATs between 1500-1600 and only about half the applicants with a perfect 1600......meaning high SATs alone doesn’t mean s***.
but they are still "spotting" points to people based on their race....and yes, any white kid who got in based on "we have too many asians, so raise their bar" should feel like they didn't earn their place because they didn't

no one has to justify their place in a pure meritocracy, ignore race altogether and let the chips fall where they may
 
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but they are still "spotting" points to people based on their race....and yes, any white kid who got in based on "we have too many asians, so raise their bar" should feel like they didn't earn their place because they didn't

no one has to justify their place in a pure meritocracy, ignore race altogether and let the chips fall where they may


That is one option. In my home country university admission is based on one high stakes standardized test. School grades don’t matter and they don’t even have letters of recommendation for university admission.

But here we have “wholistic” admission and white people only get up in arms about affirmative action and not about the “Asian tax” in college admission.
 
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That is one option. In my home country university admission is based on one high stakes standardized test. Grades don’t matter and they don’t even have letters of recommendation for university admission.

But here we have “wholistic” admission and white people only get up in arms about affirmative action and not about the “Asian tax” in college admission.
do you read what I type? I also don't like the "asian tax"....it's absolutely part of the affirmative action mess

racial discrimination is wrong
 
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I know it's the nearly universal accepted "fact" that China's ascendancy is inevitable and imminent, but I don't believe it.

China is screwed for many reasons.

Provincial debt
Real estate bubble
One child policy = impending demographic catastrophe
Communist government
Culture of conformity
A billion people living in mud hut poverty
Their cheap labor is being undercut by southeast Asian countries
Nationwide environmental catastrophes are just picking up steam
Inability to project military power more than about 80 yards off their coast
Best Korea doing the things Best Korea does

Envy of China's place in the world, now or in our kids' lifetimes, is misplaced.

Kinda disagree.

One child policy is gone. Yes there will be problems with the **** ton of old people but they'll get thru it
Communist government - it's not really a true communism like in the old days. I actually think US's democratic system will make us lag behind. Nothing gets done in this country. Just look at whats happening now.. Obama does xyz during his 8 years and the next president will just come along and get rid of it all. Things take 10 years to do here what China can do in 1 year because we are democratic. Sometimes for the society, i think it's better if someone just makes a decision and go with it
Cheap labor - not much of an issue since people are getting rich
Military power - China still lags behind the US obviously but it's definitely getting way better in certain areas like hacking. There'll be a lot of X factors in the next war, stuff that we haven't seen before. Some say cybertech is the key.

But mainly when i go visit china, the people i see are happy. And i think that means a lot. The streets are much safer than they are in the US. The US portrays the chinese government to be all bad, but it's actually not that bad IMO.
 
Kinda disagree.

One child policy is gone. Yes there will be problems with the **** ton of old people but they'll get thru it
Communist government - it's not really a true communism like in the old days. I actually think US's democratic system will make us lag behind. Nothing gets done in this country. Just look at whats happening now.. Obama does xyz during his 8 years and the next president will just come along and get rid of it all. Things take 10 years to do here what China can do in 1 year because we are democratic. Sometimes for the society, i think it's better if someone just makes a decision and go with it
Cheap labor - not much of an issue since people are getting rich
Military power - China still lags behind the US obviously but it's definitely getting way better in certain areas like hacking. There'll be a lot of X factors in the next war, stuff that we haven't seen before. Some say cybertech is the key.

But mainly when i go visit china, the people i see are happy. And i think that means a lot. The streets are much safer than they are in the US. The US portrays the chinese government to be all bad, but it's actually not that bad IMO.
"not getting anything done" is about the best thing any congress can do
 
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just saw an article about Umich (University Of Michigan Now Has Almost 100 Full-Time Staff Dedicated To "Diversity")
It talks about the rapid rise of administrators in university. It reminded me of what's happening in Medicine!
One thing that jumped out was "
1. The University of Michigan currently employs a diversity staff of nearly 100 (93) full-time diversity administrators, officers, directors, vice-provosts, deans, consultants, specialists, investigators, managers, executive assistants, administrative assistants, analysts, and coordinators.
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just saw an article about Umich (University Of Michigan Now Has Almost 100 Full-Time Staff Dedicated To "Diversity")
It talks about the rapid rise of administrators in university. It reminded me of what's happening in Medicine!
One thing that jumped out was "
1. The University of Michigan currently employs a diversity staff of nearly 100 (93) full-time diversity administrators, officers, directors, vice-provosts, deans, consultants, specialists, investigators, managers, executive assistants, administrative assistants, analysts, and coordinators.
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What the ****
 
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No kidding. This is a dermatologist playing plastic surgeon. To have such disastrous outcomes, it is obvious she is not practicing at a level remotely close to standard of care

Wow this thread went very off topic. I’m not here to discuss race, but to defend dermatology a little bit. I am a dermatologist but I don’t do liposuction or any cosmetic procedures for that matter.

First, liposuction was invented by an Italian gynecologist in 1974. Later, tumescent local anesthesia was developed in 1985 by the dermatologist Jeffery Klein which allowed dermatologists to perform liposuction safely with minimal bleeding without general anesthesia . When I finished my derm residency in 2001, there had never been a liposuction fatality at the hands of a dermatologist dating back to 1985. That’s because dermatologists were performing low volume tumescent anesthesia without general anesthesia. Since 2001 there have been very few dermatologist performed liposuction procedures leading to death (and this current case is the only one I know of).

The VAST number of liposuction related deaths have been associated with plastic surgeons. I’m not arguing that dermatologists are better than plastic surgeons, but I’m arguing that the risk of liposuction is directly related to high volume cases (excessive fluid loss/bleeding), multiple cosmetic procedures performed along with the liposuction, and the use of general anesthesia. These are all factors that usually occur with the large scale procedures that plastic surgeons perform, not that dermatologists perform. In addition, dermatologist-performed local tumescent cases require fairly gentle handling (the patient is awake after all). With large volume liposuction under general, some surgeons get pretty aggressive with the cannula. During my residency, a local plastic surgeon perfed a bowel leading to sepsis in a patient. Tragically, a few years ago another plastic surgeon in my city stuck the cannula in a young mother’s aorta and killed her.

Can liposuction be safe? Yes. Low volume with tumescent local anesthesia in a healthy patient in gentle hands. That pretty much sums up what most every case that dermatologists perform. Plastic surgeons are excellent at what they do but as a specialty they need to acknowledge the risks of high volume with general anesthesia, and liposuction added on with with tummy tucks. That’s the kind of thing that kills patients whether performed by plastic surgeon or dermatologist (see Dr Boutte).
 
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Wow this thread went very off topic. I’m not here to discuss race, but to defend dermatology a little bit. I am a dermatologist but I don’t do liposuction or any cosmetic procedures for that matter.

First, liposuction was invented by an Italian gynecologist in 1974. Later, tumescent local anesthesia was developed in 1985 by the dermatologist Jeffery Klein which allowed dermatologists to perform liposuction safely with minimal bleeding without general anesthesia . When I finished my derm residency in 2001, there had never been a liposuction fatality at the hands of a dermatologist dating back to 1985. That’s because dermatologists were performing low volume tumescent anesthesia without general anesthesia. Since 2001 there have been very few dermatologist performed liposuction procedures leading to death (and this current case is the only one I know of).

The VAST number of liposuction related deaths have been associated with plastic surgeons. I’m not arguing that dermatologists are better than plastic surgeons, but I’m arguing that the risk of liposuction is directly related to high volume cases (excessive fluid loss/bleeding), multiple cosmetic procedures performed along with the liposuction, and the use of general anesthesia. These are all factors that usually occur with the large scale procedures that plastic surgeons perform, not that dermatologists perform. In addition, dermatologist-performed local tumescent cases require fairly gentle handling (the patient is awake after all). With large volume liposuction under general, some surgeons get pretty aggressive with the cannula. During my residency, a local plastic surgeon perfed a bowel leading to sepsis in a patient. Tragically, a few years ago another plastic surgeon in my city stuck the cannula in a young mother’s aorta and killed her.

Can liposuction be safe? Yes. Low volume with tumescent local anesthesia in a healthy patient in gentle hands. That pretty much sums up what most every case that dermatologists perform. Plastic surgeons are excellent at what they do but as a specialty they need to acknowledge the risks of high volume with general anesthesia, and liposuction added on with with tummy tucks. That’s the kind of thing that kills patients whether performed by plastic surgeon or dermatologist (see Dr Boutte).

Appreciate your input but this thread (although derailed into a race/AA discussion) is more about the professionalism/conduct of this in that OR. I don't care who's doing the procedure (ok, maybe I do) no one should post videos of themselves dancing with a patient under anesthesia and no anesthesia provider should bail on a patient.
 
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Appreciate your input but this thread (although derailed into a race/AA discussion) is more about the professionalism/conduct of this in that OR. I don't care who's doing the procedure (ok, maybe I do) no one should post videos of themselves dancing with a patient under anesthesia and no anesthesia provider should bail on a patient.

Agreed. The conduct was deplorable. But the decisions that were made before the surgery began doomed the patient. The dancing was an unfortunate sideshow.
 
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Using college admissions as an example, the average Asian male admitted to Princeton has an SAT score 150 points higher than his white counterpart. But white kids are never thought to be an affirmative action case. They aren’t made to feel like they are “taking the place” of a more qualified Asian kid. People don’t make assumptions that they are less qualified even though, on average, they have lower SAT scores. I’m pretty sure every white kid at Princeton feels like they earned their admission and didn’t displace someone more deserving. Black students should have the same privilege not not have to continuously justify their presence.

And according to te Princeton website, they only admit 9% of kids with SATs between 1500-1600 and only about half the applicants with a perfect 1600......meaning high SATs alone doesn’t mean s***. They could probably fill an entire freshman class with 1500+ students but thats not what they’re looking for and, imo, that is reasonable.

This is quite interesting.
Kinda mirrors the cartoon a bit.

Frankly, I bet AA had something to do with my medical school admission. I had a low MCAT score. But thank God that’s not all they were looking for.

But really, the level playing field started on the first day of year one for all of us AA “charity cases”. And since we weren’t all dropping out like flies, I don’t know what to say except that,

I am sorry..... not sorry for the bitterness.
 
This is quite interesting.
Kinda mirrors the cartoon a bit.

Frankly, I bet AA had something to do with my medical school admission. I had a low MCAT score. But thank God that’s not all they were looking for.

But really, the level playing field started on the first day of year one for all of us AA “charity cases”. And since we weren’t all dropping out like flies, I don’t know what to say except that,

I am sorry..... not sorry for the bitterness.
https://www.aamc.org/download/102346/data/aibvol7no2.pdf

I don’t know what number flies drop out at but there are differences in attrition rates.

I get that this report is old but I didn’t find any newer stats in a few minutes of googling. The reality is that in a stressful academic environment any cohort with lower academic preparation/performance is more likely to struggle academically. Notice the 1.1 percent dropout for academic reasons of asian students (who enter with significantly higher scores than everyone else)

It doesn’t at all mean that a ton of folks in each cohort aren’t complete bosses who can match in anything they want after school. It doesn’t mean that huge portion of the cohort isn’t more than capable of meeting minimum standards.

It does mean that in an application system where there are more minimally qualified applicants than seats, that minimally qualified shouldn’t be enough to get the seat. And if you use race to admit students who clear minimum standards by a smaller margin than other students you not only are racially discriminating but you run the risk of higher attrition rates
 
I admit, haven’t been able to read the entire thread but sad how a story about an inappropriate doctor turns into an argument about race and “privilege.”

For what it’s worth life isn’t fair. Some people grow up with silver spoons, some with plastic sporks. Some people make the most of their opportunities, some don’t. Either way, people need to stop comparing themselves to others and deal with the cards they were dealt.

Disclaimer: I’m a minority that has to prove I was worth a shot every damn day.
 
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I admit, haven’t been able to read the entire thread but sad how a story about an inappropriate doctor turns into an argument about race and “privilege.”

For what it’s worth life isn’t fair. Some people grow up with silver spoons, some with plastic sporks. Some people make the most of their opportunities, some don’t. Either way, people need to stop comparing themselves to others and deal with the cards they were dealt.

Disclaimer: I’m a minority that has to prove I was worth a shot every damn day.
If your username is accurate, why not just irradiate your critics?
 
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This is also a reason why once in med school (at least) affirmative action disappears. If to get an interview in ENT you need a 250 Step 1, then that's going to weed everyone below that out.
I can't believe you are that naive. In a world that whines about "diversity", and unfortunately even makes laws about it, affirmative action does not disappear ANYWHERE, except in SMALL private businesses.

Affirmative action in the United States - Wikipedia

To paraphrase Jordan B. Peterson: we should seek equality of opportunity, not equality of outcomes.
 
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Anyone see that the lovely dancing doc is now claiming that those patients asked and/or consented to those videos, including dictating songs used and what part of the procedure they'd shoot the video? Guess that frees her of blame. I mean when I have patients ask me to take raunchy pictures of them under anesthesia, I always do, and that's perfectly OK, right? /s
 
Anyone see that the lovely dancing doc is now claiming that those patients asked and/or consented to those videos, including dictating songs used and what part of the procedure they'd shoot the video? Guess that frees her of blame. I mean when I have patients ask me to take raunchy pictures of them under anesthesia, I always do, and that's perfectly OK, right? /s
I want to see the consent form for “crna bails early”
 
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"In court papers, Arlington, Virginia-based Students for Fair Admissions said an Asian-American male applicant with a 25 percent chance of admission would have a 35 percent chance if he was white, 75 percent if he were Hispanic and a 95 percent chance if he were black."

"The group in its 2014 complaint said Harvard defines “Asian-Americans” as including individuals of Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese, Cambodian, Hmong or Indian descent."

LOL Hmong people are the most disadvantaged group of minorities I've ever seen. If one looks at their GDP, college grad rate, income bracket, they are worse than any demographic out there. But hey, they are the same as all Chinese people.

No one cares if that Hmong kid overcomes adversity, he's the wrong skin color.
 
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It does come at the expennse of someone else, just like my friend J here.

It IS just Race, med school admission comittees and undergrad admission comittees add what they call "Race" as a factor. Chinese = Korean = Filipino = Indian = Hawaiian, Nigrean = Eritrean = Haitian, Spanish = Argentinian = Mexican = Brazilian. because the fact that race was in there wasn't racist enough, they gotta be racist in the way the qualify race.
 
"The group in its 2014 complaint said Harvard defines “Asian-Americans” as including individuals of Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese, Cambodian, Hmong or Indian descent."
But hey, they are the same as all Chinese people.

Eh, they all look the same. ;)
 
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"In court papers, Arlington, Virginia-based Students for Fair Admissions said an Asian-American male applicant with a 25 percent chance of admission would have a 35 percent chance if he was white, 75 percent if he were Hispanic and a 95 percent chance if he were black."

"The group in its 2014 complaint said Harvard defines “Asian-Americans” as including individuals of Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese, Cambodian, Hmong or Indian descent."

LOL Hmong people are the most disadvantaged group of minorities I've ever seen. If one looks at their GDP, college grad rate, income bracket, they are worse than any demographic out there. But hey, they are the same as all Chinese people.

No one cares if that Hmong kid overcomes adversity, he's the wrong skin color.

Does it help if I change my kid's name to Hispani-ish, or Native American? These days genders are self-defined; NYC has 31? types. Why not self-define ethnicity? You can always say I love Hispanic culture......
 
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You can always count on Asians to try to work the system. Almost 30 percent of Asians Americans are marrying outside of their race; the most of all races in America.
Key facts about race and marriage, 50 years after Loving v. Virginia
Wonder if it's because they want their kids to be anything but Asian on admissions?
More Asian-Americans NOT ticking 'Asian' on college applications in bid for easier admission rate | Daily Mail Online

I agree Asians “work the system”. For example, they actually prep and study in order to do well on standardized tests.

In a backward ass solution, instead of helping kids of other backgrounds do better on the exams, NYC decides to discount the admissions exams to their selective high schools.

Asian Groups See Bias in Plan to Diversify New York’s Elite Schools
 
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I agree Asians “work the system”. For example, they actually prep and study in order to do well on standardized tests.

DUDE YOU WEREN'T SUPPOSE TO OUT OUR SECRET!!! Now what do we do?

In all seriousness though, I hope we all realize Asians aren't any more hardworking than any othe race.... It's a selection bias. All the hard working ones went to a upwardly mobile society ('Murica) to better themselves/their offsprings. So that's the ones we see in America.

If Mexico was located geographically where China was. We'd think all the Mexicans are smart. because that'd be the selection bias we'd see.

Conversely, as a kid that grew up in China. I've met plenty of lazy dumb Chinese people who were not good at math.

I want to once again advocate that skin color is just one of thousands of variable that defines a person. It should be the least important.
 
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Time to encourage your kids to marry White, Black, Hispanic, or Native Americans so your grandkids can get into Ivy League schools.

Standardized tests might not matter so much anymore in the future.
University of Chicago drops SAT/ACT requirement | Inside Higher Ed
Time to encourage them to marry into rich or powerful families. All this crap exists only because the political elites can't game the system in a meritocracy. The rules of the game will keep changing according to their interests. It was the Jews before, now the Asians, who's next?
 
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Scorching hot take alert:

I have a feeling in Asian countries communities it’s cool to be the smartest kid on the block and this is probably the same in other communities that traditionally do well academically.

There is a problem in the black community in that “smart guy” is the one who will get joked on and it continues in middle and high school to an extent. That’s something that we as black people need
to figure out a way to change in our community. It’s interest but I used to listen to this podcast called “The Champs” that was hosted by Neal Brennan. He was one of the creators of Chappelle Show and was one of Chappelles writing partners. He’s a white guy and they interviewed only black comedians and celebrities. An interesting trend was that many successful black people in this country grew up, as they would put “effing with white people” meaning that’s who they grew up around, hung with, and importantly knew how to interact with. It’s straw man argument likely but think of the effect of growing up and not having people clown you because you got an A on the test.

It’s a hot take but I thinks there’s validity to it. It’s a problem that we must figure out a way to solve among ourselves in the black community. The kids need to know it’s more important to be able to do calculus than recite Migos lyrics. But hey, that’s all easier said than done.

I may have digressed some from topic but it felt pertinent
 
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Scorching hot take alert:

I have a feeling in Asian countries communities it’s cool to be the smartest kid on the block and this is probably the same in other communities that traditionally do well academically.

There is a problem in the black community in that “smart guy” is the one who will get joked on and it continues in middle and high school to an extent. That’s something that we as black people need
to figure out a way to change in our community. It’s interest but I used to listen to this podcast called “The Champs” that was hosted by Neal Brennan. He was one of the creators of Chappelle Show and was one of Chappelles writing partners. He’s a white guy and they interviewed only black comedians and celebrities. An interesting trend was that many successful black people in this country grew up, as they would put “effing with white people” meaning that’s who they grew up around, hung with, and importantly knew how to interact with. It’s straw man argument likely but think of the effect of growing up and not having people clown you because you got an A on the test.

It’s a hot take but I thinks there’s validity to it. It’s a problem that we must figure out a way to solve among ourselves in the black community. The kids need to know it’s more important to be able to do calculus than recite Migos lyrics. But hey, that’s all easier said than done.

I may have digressed some from topic but it felt pertinent
100*Like. That's exactly my explanation why Jews or Asians have done so well academically. The cultures encourage and respect academic achievement.

Smart families/cultures tend to become smarter, even if poor. Dumb families stay dumb, or dumber. That's why certain peoples and cultures are successful, while others not, regardless how much money one pours into them. That's where "affirmative action" should begin, not by gaming admissions.
 
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The reality is if I actually wanted to make a difference I’d be a teacher instead of a doctor but bump that......I like money
 
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Scorching hot take alert:

I have a feeling in Asian countries communities it’s cool to be the smartest kid on the block and this is probably the same in other communities that traditionally do well academically.

There is a problem in the black community in that “smart guy” is the one who will get joked on and it continues in middle and high school to an extent. That’s something that we as black people need
to figure out a way to change in our community. It’s interest but I used to listen to this podcast called “The Champs” that was hosted by Neal Brennan. He was one of the creators of Chappelle Show and was one of Chappelles writing partners. He’s a white guy and they interviewed only black comedians and celebrities. An interesting trend was that many successful black people in this country grew up, as they would put “effing with white people” meaning that’s who they grew up around, hung with, and importantly knew how to interact with. It’s straw man argument likely but think of the effect of growing up and not having people clown you because you got an A on the test.

It’s a hot take but I thinks there’s validity to it. It’s a problem that we must figure out a way to solve among ourselves in the black community. The kids need to know it’s more important to be able to do calculus than recite Migos lyrics. But hey, that’s all easier said than done.

I may have digressed some from topic but it felt pertinent
So very true. And not just black folks. My cousins recently talked to me about how they used to make fun of me for always reading and being a nerd but now they are really proud of all I accomplished. There is definitely a big difference in our outcomes.
 
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The reality is if I actually wanted to make a difference I’d be a teacher instead of a doctor but bump that......I like money

In other countries teachers are paid more too.

But in this country private school teachers are paid a lot too :)

You can make a difference by signing up for Big Brothers Big Sisters of America. One of the most rewarding experiences of my life. Teach your little sib what you want to see as the change in the communities.
 
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DUDE YOU WEREN'T SUPPOSE TO OUT OUR SECRET!!! Now what do we do?

In all seriousness though, I hope we all realize Asians aren't any more hardworking than any othe race.... It's a selection bias. All the hard working ones went to a upwardly mobile society ('Murica) to better themselves/their offsprings. So that's the ones we see in America.

If Mexico was located geographically where China was. We'd think all the Mexicans are smart. because that'd be the selection bias we'd see.

Conversely, as a kid that grew up in China. I've met plenty of lazy dumb Chinese people who were not good at math.

I want to once again advocate that skin color is just one of thousands of variable that defines a person. It should be the least important.


Uh lazy in China is still hard working here. Unless the kid is from a rich family
 
Scorching hot take alert:

I have a feeling in Asian countries communities it’s cool to be the smartest kid on the block and this is probably the same in other communities that traditionally do well academically.

There is a problem in the black community in that “smart guy” is the one who will get joked on and it continues in middle and high school to an extent. That’s something that we as black people need
to figure out a way to change in our community. It’s interest but I used to listen to this podcast called “The Champs” that was hosted by Neal Brennan. He was one of the creators of Chappelle Show and was one of Chappelles writing partners. He’s a white guy and they interviewed only black comedians and celebrities. An interesting trend was that many successful black people in this country grew up, as they would put “effing with white people” meaning that’s who they grew up around, hung with, and importantly knew how to interact with. It’s straw man argument likely but think of the effect of growing up and not having people clown you because you got an A on the test.

It’s a hot take but I thinks there’s validity to it. It’s a problem that we must figure out a way to solve among ourselves in the black community. The kids need to know it’s more important to be able to do calculus than recite Migos lyrics. But hey, that’s all easier said than done.

I may have digressed some from topic but it felt pertinent

If a group of people took academics seriously all their lives got together in a different country, that group still takes academics seriously. It just so happens a lot of the Oriental communities are formed by people who got into this country because of their academics. It has nothing to do with being Asian. If you get a bunch of Nigerian egineers together, they will also value intelligence and acdaemic success. Nigerians are not Asian. Same for a group of Brazilian doctors.

Conversely, most Vietnamese community behave exactly as the "black community" you described above. Most of the Vietnamese people got in this country as refugees from the war and not by brain drain. Therefore they dont behave as a community that values academics.

It's not about skin colors, it's about the culture of the group. We as observers introduce our own bias and label it by skin color or ethnicity.

But I do agree that the culture is definitely a better target than equality of representation based on skin color.
 
Uh lazy in China is still hard working here. Unless the kid is from a rich family

I heard this a lot as a kid too, from people that are already inherently hardworking, who have their own bias that all Asians are hard working.

As I grew older I no longer think this is true.
 
If a group of people took academics seriously all their lives got together in a different country, that group still takes academics seriously. It just so happens a lot of the Oriental communities are formed by people who got into this country because of their academics. It has nothing to do with being Asian. If you get a bunch of Nigerian egineers together, they will also value intelligence and acdaemic success. Nigerians are not Asian. Same for a group of Brazilian doctors.

Conversely, most Vietnamese community behave exactly as the "black community" you described above. Most of the Vietnamese people got in this country as refugees from the war and not by brain drain. Therefore they dont behave as a community that values academics.

It's not about skin colors, it's about the culture of the group. We as observers introduce our own bias and label it by skin color or ethnicity.

But I do agree that the culture is definitely a better target than equality of representation based on skin color.

This is all true. When I refer to “black people”’ I should be more specific (and PC) and say African Americans. This may come as no surprise but culturally, African Americans and Africans are not the same. Believe it or not, the educated Africans you speak of tend to come from very well off families. They’re not the same Africans selling incense on 116th (NYC reference). So it’s an easy take to say “Nigerians value education” but more accurate would be “wealthy Nigerians value education”.
 
This is all true. When I refer to “black people”’ I should be more specific (and PC) and say African Americans. This may come as no surprise but culturally, African Americans and Africans are not the same. Believe it or not, the educated Africans you speak of tend to come from very well off families. They’re not the same Africans selling incense on 116th (NYC reference). So it’s an easy take to say “Nigerians value education” but more accurate would be “wealthy Nigerians value education”.
I may not be Nigerian, but as an East African I am gonna say that most of us value education. It’s ingrained into us very early. Problem is, most of us are too poor to pursue it fully due to other home obligations or pursue it at a higher level because we can’t afford it.
When I go back home, I see these little kids in school and 10 to 12 hours a day, no joke. Problem is, there are no jobs even after thry get a masters and a PhD.
All this to say that plenty of us just don’t have the resources, but the drive and the push is there. The ones who get lucky and leave, like me, most of the time end up middle to upper middle class even if we grew up in mud houses.
 
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You can always count on Asians to try to work the system.

Hate to say it, but when you're right, you're right.

Mandy Kaling's (Kelly Kapoor from the office) brother got into medical school by pretending he's Black.

Mindy Kaling's brother 'pretended to be black' to get into medical school

Almost Black - The True Story Of An Indian American Who Got Into Medical School Pretending To Be An African American


his AMCAS application transcript, noticed the "self dec: black"



I can't believe this is real... he got in to Wash U in St. Louis, haha easily top 10 med school.

"only be honest about everything on my application, EXCEPT my race."
 
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