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Anyone else dating while a nontrad? I am speaking speaking to people who are in their late 20s or 30s and looking to get married in the next few years. Do you have a hard time telling people that you want to go to medical school?

I am asking because often people I go on dates with are doing quite well financially and I feel massively insecure telling them I want to go to medical school and add 200k in debt to my name at my age. Usually, I try to avoid telling people what I am really doing because I fear their reaction. I say I am interested in PharmD or DDS even though I want an MD.

So, what do you aingle people do here? Any suggestions on how I should approach this in the future?
 
... I say I am interested in PharmD or DDS even though I want an MD.

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That sort of misses the point. Someone looking to settle down will be leery of someone who is still a student regardless of the field. You simply aren't marriage material to some if you are not going to be an earner for a big block of time.
 
That sort of misses the point. Someone looking to settle down will be leery of someone who is still a student regardless of the field. You simply aren't marriage material to some if you are not going to be an earner for a big block of time.

Ya this. It's probably not the right time to be looking for a new partner.
 
Ya this. It's probably not the right time to be looking for a new partner.

👍 Easy for me to say, already married, but I've thought about it, if I were single again, this would be the WORST time to be looking. Maybe wait until you're in med school, see who's there with you. Never know.
 
Anyone else dating while a nontrad? I am speaking speaking to people who are in their late 20s or 30s and looking to get married in the next few years. Do you have a hard time telling people that you want to go to medical school?

I am asking because often people I go on dates with are doing quite well financially and I feel massively insecure telling them I want to go to medical school and add 200k in debt to my name at my age. Usually, I try to avoid telling people what I am really doing because I fear their reaction. I say I am interested in PharmD or DDS even though I want an MD.

So, what do you aingle people do here? Any suggestions on how I should approach this in the future?

Well, first you shouldn't lie, and just tell them you're going MD. Then you'll have to accept the fact that a lot people won't want to be with someone who won't be earning an income for the next four-ish years, not to mention working 80+ hours per week after that during residency, possibly even beyond that.

So, go ahead and date if you have time. Maybe you'll find someone who can deal with being the breadwinner for a few years, and is OK with you working long hours. I lucked out and married someone who could deal with the above. We both worked 60+ hours per week when we were dating (dated for about four years), and I was pretty open about my ambition of becoming a physician, which entailed me doing 2-3 years of post-bacc work, and then med school, and then residency, and then probably long hours until I retire.
 
Personally, I think that going to medical school looks more like (eventual) financial security. There are worse things in the world, like spending $50k on a for-profit culinary school when you know you'll end up as a $10/hour line cook. I think the time constraints of med school are a bigger deal, particularly in the clinical years & residency. Lots of people say it's hard to make a relationship work around that, but a lot of people make it work. Just don't lie on the first date.

Just don't lie on the first date (or really ever). That's a bigger red flag than the idea of dating a med student ever really could be.
 
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That said, I'm 29 & considering whether to start dating again (my last relationship ended a year ago). I'm in a similar boat of knowing I am going to be interested in finding a long-term partner soonish. I might, but there are definitely things that make it harder. I'm starting med school in August, and since I am still on hold for a could of my top choices, I still don't know whether I am moving across the country in 6-7 months. That extra dash of unpredictability makes it hard to know if I can realistically hope to start anything that would last longer than 6 months.
 
Just get in medical school first then you wont have to lie about your plans to get accepted. It's much easier for people to visualize "where will I be in 5 years" after you beat those pre-med odds of failure. I am also single and with one year left in undergrad. I might as well wait since I will be moving to wherever I get accepted at.
 
Dating can be difficult at times. I started dating my current girlfriend over the summer and it's continuing to be more and more difficult. She was initially fine with the idea of me going to medical school, the more it sinks in for her the more difficult things get. In the end, it will probably be the downfall of the relationship as she's about 5 years younger than I and is already looking to settle down and get married. I'm not looking to be married until either during or after medical school.

I'm under the impression she thinks I was simply talking about Medical School to impress her - not that I was truly serious about going into a new career.
 
That said, I'm 29 & considering whether to start dating again (my last relationship ended a year ago). I'm in a similar boat of knowing I am going to be interested in finding a long-term partner soonish. I might, but there are definitely things that make it harder. I'm starting med school in August, and since I am still on hold for a could of my top choices, I still don't know whether I am moving across the country in 6-7 months. That extra dash of unpredictability makes it hard to know if I can realistically hope to start anything that would last longer than 6 months.

There's not just the unpredictability of moving for med school, but maybe again for residency, fellowship. This, combined with time commitments and lack of earning/debt makes the premed a pretty hard sell to someone looking to settle down.
 
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Dating is easy! Marriage... now that's work! Haha!

But for real, just be yourself, speak the truth, and let it flow. The prospects of years of academia (i.e. no money, well actually going into the red) will have some running away AQAP, while others may be bit intrigued, especially considering what may await if they stick around for the long haul.

That said, be careful of dating fellow classmates. Med school is difficult enough, forget about having to deal with relationship complications (and let's face it, most of them end up at this stage in the end) while battling the rigors of daily pancake stacks.

All-in-all, I wouldn't worry about it (worrying and "looking" also tends to be a relationship repellent of some sort). Go with the flow and let it ride.
 
That said, I'm 29 & considering whether to start dating again (my last relationship ended a year ago). I'm in a similar boat of knowing I am going to be interested in finding a long-term partner soonish. I might, but there are definitely things that make it harder. I'm starting med school in August, and since I am still on hold for a could of my top choices, I still don't know whether I am moving across the country in 6-7 months. That extra dash of unpredictability makes it hard to know if I can realistically hope to start anything that would last longer than 6 months.

Once you start med school, you won't have enough time to worry about a relationship. Until then, enjoy the downtime...
 
Dating is difficult as a non-trad! I too am meeting women with advanced professional degrees and some get turned off when I tell them I want to go to med school. However, some don't care!! :naughty:
 
Dating is difficult as a non-trad! I too am meeting women with advanced professional degrees and some get turned off when I tell them I want to go to med school. However, some don't care!! :naughty:

It seems like you can say this about anything. I have a "good" job right now and some women get turn off because it's boring. If you really are ready to settle down you should be looking for someone who likes you for what and where you are.
 
There's not just the unpredictability of moving for med school, but maybe again for residency, fellowship. This, combined with time commitments and lack of earning/debt makes the premed a pretty hard sell to someone looking to settle down.

That's the other thing. If you get into a relationship during med school, it has to be serious enough by third & fourth year that it is halfway reasonable to have a discussion about your SO possibly moving somewhere with you when you match. And even then that discussion might not go well if you end up getting matched somewhere that is great for you but terrible for them (like, say, Rochester MN if your SO isn't at all involved with the healthcare industry). The deck is definitely not stacked for us.
 
That's the other thing. If you get into a relationship during med school, it has to be serious enough by third & fourth year that it is halfway reasonable to have a discussion about your SO possibly moving somewhere with you when you match. And even then that discussion might not go well if you end up getting matched somewhere that is great for you but terrible for them (like, say, Rochester MN if your SO isn't at all involved with the healthcare industry). The deck is definitely not stacked for us.

It just requires finding that needle in a haystack who gets it.
 
Wait until next year and date your medical school classmates. There will probably be a few women looking to get an MD/MRS dual degree.
 
Dating is easy! Marriage... now that's work! Haha!

But for real, just be yourself, speak the truth, and let it flow. The prospects of years of academia (i.e. no money, well actually going into the red) will have some running away AQAP, while others may be bit intrigued, especially considering what may await if they stick around for the long haul.

That said, be careful of dating fellow classmates. Med school is difficult enough, forget about having to deal with relationship complications (and let's face it, most of them end up at this stage in the end) while battling the rigors of daily pancake stacks.

All-in-all, I wouldn't worry about it (worrying and "looking" also tends to be a relationship repellent of some sort). Go with the flow and let it ride.


I dont see myself ever dating classmates as a soon to be 30 year old female. I am sure everyone else will be 23/24. Which is why I want to date, everyone I date is in their early 30s and fairly established for the most part. This is frustrating. Sometimes I wish I didnt want to go to medical school.
 
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I dont see myself ever dating classmates as a soon to be 30 year old female. I am sure everyone else will be 23/24. Which is why I want to date, everyone I date is in their early 30s and fairly established for the most part. This is frustrating. Sometimes I wish I didnt want to go to medical school.

Maybe I'm weird, but I don't feel this way at all. I am entering medical school because it is a passion of mine. Most of us are still premeds; you can always make another choice. I love the fact that I'm going to be doing something totally new and interesting. Anyone who looks down on that would not be someone I would be interested in anyway.

This is where drama comes from 🙂

My plan is to go to a med school in a university and then try to date people from the other grad schools.

Those schools that have other graduate programs close to the medical college are definitely more attractive to me for this reason.
 
Funny. "Dating" here is bandied about as if it means the same thing to everyone.

If you're a single. And you want to drop some D in occasional casual sense. You're good.

If you want to mate up for life with someone established in your exact stage of life who wants to spawn during the rigors of med school into residency. Well...yeah. Good luck with that. It could happen...but like others have said. You don't have a winning hand.

And let's be honest. It depends how attractive you are. Honey knows its sweet. And so does every bear with a cock in the woods. So nothing is universal here.

Why are we pretending it is?
 
^^You forgot one thing.

Money is the great equalizer!!
 
^^You forgot one thing.

Money is the great equalizer!!

Oh yeah man. You take one average guy. If he's divorced, debted, and paying child support in med school and lives in a roachy hole. Or if he's a former executive that dresses sharp and is fattened up with cash in med school and can afford all the fancy digs where the cute husband shoppers hang out. Then, of course, you're talking about 2 different dick slingin leagues.

That's why dudes hustle, play the guitar, and practice their sense of humor. And it's also why chicks don't. The doctor gig means different things to different people at different points in their life with regards to getting what you want out of the sex game.

Even with all the modern changes in male/female social roles, some things stay the same. Poontang doesn't need an ad campaign. The flip side being, back to my original point, the degree of attractiveness of the female dictates, to a greater extent than for males, the degree of options and leverage for negotiating commitment and willingness to sign for kids/marriage than is being admitted to here.

As nontrads. You'd think we'd sort of, even if grudgingly, know this. Such that Internet surveys from random strangers on ones own sexual marketability is a lame venture.
 
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This is where drama comes from 🙂

My plan is to go to a med school in at a large university and then try to date people from the other grad schools.

Sounds like a good idea.
 
Oh yeah man. You take one average guy. If he's divorced, debted, and paying child support in med school and lives in a roachy hole. Or if he's a former executive that dresses sharp and is fattened up with cash in med school and can afford all the fancy digs where the cute husband shoppers hang out. Then, of course, you're talking about 2 different dick slingin leagues.

That's why dudes hustle, play the guitar, and practice their sense of humor. And it's also why chicks don't. The doctor gig means different things to different people at different points in their life with regards to getting what you want out of the sex game.

Even with all the modern changes in male/female social roles, some things stay the same. Poontang doesn't need an ad campaign. The flip side being, back to my original point, the degree of attractiveness of the female dictates, to a greater extent than for males, the degree of options and leverage for negotiating commitment and willingness to sign for kids/marriage than is being admitted to here.

As nontrads. You'd think we'd sort of, even if grudgingly, know this. Such that Internet surveys from random strangers on ones own sexual marketability is a lame venture.

This is true. I just wanted to see if anyone else was trying to seriously date and do this premed thing at 30. It blows I know but I love my classes. Seeing everyone else I know get married is starting to worry me a bit. Tis all.

Maybe I'm weird, but I don't feel this way at all. I am entering medical school because it is a passion of mine. Most of us are still premeds; you can always make another choice. I love the fact that I'm going to be doing something totally new and interesting. Anyone who looks down on that would not be someone I would be interested in anyway.



Those schools that have other graduate programs close to the medical college are definitely more attractive to me for this reason.

Thanks I needed to hear this!

Funny. "Dating" here is bandied about as if it means the same thing to everyone.

If you're a single. And you want to drop some D in occasional casual sense. You're good.

If you want to mate up for life with someone established in your exact stage of life who wants to spawn during the rigors of med school into residency. Well...yeah. Good luck with that. It could happen...but like others have said. You don't have a winning hand.

And let's be honest. It depends how attractive you are. Honey knows its sweet. And so does every bear with a cock in the woods. So nothing is universal here.

Why are we pretending it is?

Very true.
 
I'm in my late 20's. I've been dating, both as a pre-med and as a med student. If you are a woman, be prepared for guys who do not realize you are going to be a doctor someday (nurse). And the other people, unless they have family members in medicine, don't really understand the commitment. Obviously it is good to let them know before things get too serious. Having said that, I get a lot more messages on match.com now that I say I am just a "student" as opposed to "medical student."

None of this applies to guys--the guys in my class have way hotter girlfriends/wives than one would expect. And for the girls who say oh I'm so much older than my classmates--I have started seeing the guys differently now that we are all in the trenches together. They are cute and smart and we all have the same primary concerns in life right now. I would not rule out dating a classmate based on age.
 
I'm in my late 20's. I've been dating, both as a pre-med and as a med student. If you are a woman, be prepared for guys who do not realize you are going to be a doctor someday (nurse). And the other people, unless they have family members in medicine, don't really understand the commitment. Obviously it is good to let them know before things get too serious. Having said that, I get a lot more messages on match.com now that I say I am just a "student" as opposed to "medical student."

None of this applies to guys--the guys in my class have way hotter girlfriends/wives than one would expect. And for the girls who say oh I'm so much older than my classmates--I have started seeing the guys differently now that we are all in the trenches together. They are cute and smart and we all have the same primary concerns in life right now. I would not rule out dating a classmate based on age.

There you go. See, now's that's sexy, to a dude young or old.

Carrying around a birth plan before we've had a chance to check out our mutual sex vibe together....not so much.

You all should definitely go full cougar. The young lads in medical school are not the young lads, like I was, who you should avoid entirely if looking to procreate. Obviously we all have to have it together to get in.

It's just you can read the 30 something with the biological alarm clock blaring a mile away. If that's what you really want go for it. But if you just want to meet dudes and explore possibilities it might be a stronger play to put that on the DL. And to definitely not be too concerned with age...if it works for you.

For me, older women are just sexier. I can't deal with the intense blankness of young girls in groups. For the right vibe I need a lady who's been around a little longer. Who has been through it. And doesn't sweat the small stuff. That could happen with certain chicks at any age. But you cougs haven't certain advantages for many of us.
 
I laugh at being called a cougar, but that is exactly how it feels! Not in a bad way though. It's nice being able to go back to those carefree student days. You feel lucky to have the guys treat you like a fellow 22 year old, rather than someone who could have been their teacher in middle school or high school.
 
Haha. Alright, alright, alright.

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You know it's a shelf life thing going on too. Sting is like 60 or so and regardless of rock star status could pull young ladies no problem. You gotta do the yoga man. I don't recognize most of the people in my high school class. If you keep yourself up right, instead of stressing out constantly on how to be top of the nerd heap, we will have more options as we age.

A lot of the stuff people talk about on age has to with their relative f@ckability. Just bein real.
 
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Are you Kevin Hart's dad?

:laugh: love that bit. "....you gonna learn today."

I was actually think of the dazed and confused mathew mcconnaughey character. But your take is funnier. I should've been cracked up with no drawers instead.
 
Bahaha. What a great thread for the non-trad crowd. I'm almost 29 and am 98% certain that I will be moving in 5-6 months for med school, but I recently made a move on a girl. The way I see it, if you find a diamond in the rough, you gotta go for it. Does it complicate things? Sure, but it was totally worth it. If some girl pulls out a calculator to determine my probable net worth in 15 years or looks down on me for not already being an MD, "Check please!"

The clear answer? We should just date each other. :naughty:
 
.....There are worse things in the world, like spending $50k on a for-profit culinary school when you know you'll end up as a $10/hour line cook....

You are hilarious!! lol. Seriously dropped my ipad while laughing at that line...thank god for this kevlar-like protective casing!
 
To OP, I may be a little biased/naive since I'm only 22 and also because I don't date, like ever. I've only been in one relationship and that was in high school, since then I've been riding solo lol. I'm not a nerd or socially inept, I just personally do not feel it's fair to me or another person be in a relationship and not be able to give the relationship the time or energy that it deserves. Since high school I've been on a personal solo journey of exploration and intellectual enlightenment, and did not want to complicate my journey with a relationship. So, I choose to be single until they day time comes, which I expect won't be until after residency at least.
 
To OP, I may be a little biased/naive since I'm only 22 and also because I don't date, like ever. I've only been in one relationship and that was in high school, since then I've been riding solo lol. I'm not a nerd or socially inept, I just personally do not feel it's fair to me or another person be in a relationship and not be able to give the relationship the time or energy that it deserves. Since high school I've been on a personal solo journey of exploration and intellectual enlightenment, and did not want to complicate my journey with a relationship. So, I choose to be single until they day time comes, which I expect won't be until after residency at least.

Interesting perspective. I'm kind of with you on whether or not its fair to drag someone along on this ride. That said relationships can offer several kinds of enlightenment and exploration of the world is a lot more fun when you're sharing it with someone special. You'll be on that journey your whole life, so there isn't going to be a point when you're done.
 
My suggestion is that you not put deadlines or artificial limitations on yourself. At each stage of your medical journey, get involved with hobbies/groups of like minded people, and develop a network of friends. Maybe someone in your church/surgery interest group/roller derby team/astronomy club will wind up clicking with you, and maybe not. Even if not, maybe they'll have a sibling or friend who will. But whatever you do, don't judge your own worth based on whether you're with someone. Never mind biological clocks; nothing screams "run for your life" to a potential date quite like a person who seems desperate to not be alone. It's also not impossible to date, get married, or start families in med school or residency, though it certainly does complicate things.

Oh, and HealthE, don't worry about being the only one who isn't married by age 30. As you get into your mid-thirties, some of those friends of yours who got married young will be getting divorced and maybe even moving on to marriage #2. 😉
 
Oh, and HealthE, don't worry about being the only one who isn't married by age 30. As you get into your mid-thirties, some of those friends of yours who got married young will be getting divorced and maybe even moving on to marriage #2. 😉

this has been proven true to me in several instances.
 
👍 Easy for me to say, already married, but I've thought about it, if I were single again, this would be the WORST time to be looking. Maybe wait until you're in med school, see who's there with you. Never know.

👍👍👍👍
 
To OP, I may be a little biased/naive since I'm only 22 and also because I don't date, like ever. I've only been in one relationship and that was in high school, since then I've been riding solo lol. I'm not a nerd or socially inept, I just personally do not feel it's fair to me or another person be in a relationship and not be able to give the relationship the time or energy that it deserves. Since high school I've been on a personal solo journey of exploration and intellectual enlightenment, and did not want to complicate my journey with a relationship. So, I choose to be single until they day time comes, which I expect won't be until after residency at least.

I choose to be single about your age as well when I was 23. Been single for 5 years. I have enjoyed it but I am over it now. Enjoy the time finding yourself.

Interesting perspective. I'm kind of with you on whether or not its fair to drag someone along on this ride. That said relationships can offer several kinds of enlightenment and exploration of the world is a lot more fun when you're sharing it with someone special. You'll be on that journey your whole life, so there isn't going to be a point when you're done.

This is true.


My suggestion is that you not put deadlines or artificial limitations on yourself. At each stage of your medical journey, get involved with hobbies/groups of like minded people, and develop a network of friends. Maybe someone in your church/surgery interest group/roller derby team/astronomy club will wind up clicking with you, and maybe not. Even if not, maybe they'll have a sibling or friend who will. But whatever you do, don't judge your own worth based on whether you're with someone. Never mind biological clocks; nothing screams "run for your life" to a potential date quite like a person who seems desperate to not be alone. It's also not impossible to date, get married, or start families in med school or residency, though it certainly does complicate things.

Oh, and HealthE, don't worry about being the only one who isn't married by age 30. As you get into your mid-thirties, some of those friends of yours who got married young will be getting divorced and maybe even moving on to marriage #2. 😉



I am sure I will see it happen to. I have not seen it yet though. Lol everyone is in their blissful newlywed state or about to get married. I guess by the time I am done with med school. Some of these relationships will self destruct.
 
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To OP, I may be a little biased/naive since I'm only 22 and also because I don't date, like ever. I've only been in one relationship and that was in high school, since then I've been riding solo lol. I'm not a nerd or socially inept, I just personally do not feel it's fair to me or another person be in a relationship and not be able to give the relationship the time or energy that it deserves. Since high school I've been on a personal solo journey of exploration and intellectual enlightenment, and did not want to complicate my journey with a relationship. So, I choose to be single until they day time comes, which I expect won't be until after residency at least.

Cool. The asexuals are actually well represented in medicine.

It's difficult for me to imagine what I might/might've accomplished without this bothersome preoccupation.

6 AM rounds: This pt. comes to us c/o SOB x 3 days ... (Damn!....she is really wearin those scrubs this morning. Those are definitely her scrubs....no one else's) ... Her home medications are ..... Repeat cycle q 2 min.

With your mind over genitalia. I coulda been a contenda.
 
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To the OP, as others have said, be honest. I would also add be positive. If you are confident and excited about your goals, a good guy/girl worth meeting won't care what it means financially. However, don't be OVERLY excited, that could come off as workaholic/crazy. I am on the non-trad route and met my gf while on this path.
 
Pansexuals?

Yeah...not so much. We're less prevalent. Most of us didn't make it this far upstream. What with all that sex to be had. People are so judgmental here. You can't even hit on the husband and the wife without getting strange looks. Like threesomes are disgusting or something...... ....Protestants.

:laugh:
 
This is a good thread to consider.

I broke up w/ my GF who went thru the pre-med post-bacc career change w/ me. And the break up was a result of med school. Our relationship just slowly dissolved. (End of MS1)

So I'm in the same boat. However, my solution involved some foresight. I've always kept my ex's "on the back burner" Good terms. Friendly terms. And so our resparked relationships have rooting in my pre-med school career, and are evolving during my clinical years.

If I didn't have these ex's as friends to rekindle relationships w/...I have NO IDEA WHAT I WOULD DO!! Clinicals suck. And let's say for example, you get put in a ward or hospital where all the gals (or guys) you'd consider dating are already married. ALL of your day is spent in the hospital. And when you get out of work (after being immersed by "ineligible" dating pool), you are kinda tired from the day. Then you gotta get your "mojo" together to go SOMEWHERE to meet people. Aside from the fact, that you SHOULD probably be studying here and there for your Shelf Exams.

I'm 35. IDK where to go, right? A bar? Really? Or online dating sites? I'd be totally lost if I didn't weave all my "contingency plans" into my life from GO. lol
 
Yeah...not so much. We're less prevalent. Most of us didn't make it this far upstream. What with all that sex to be had. People are so judgmental here. You can't even hit on the husband and the wife without getting strange looks. Like threesomes are disgusting or something...... ....Protestants.

:laugh:

...probly didn't help that it was at the Children's hospital...
 
This is a good thread to consider.

I broke up w/ my GF who went thru the pre-med post-bacc career change w/ me. And the break up was a result of med school. Our relationship just slowly dissolved. (End of MS1)

So I'm in the same boat. However, my solution involved some foresight. I've always kept my ex's "on the back burner" Good terms. Friendly terms. And so our resparked relationships have rooting in my pre-med school career, and are evolving during my clinical years.

If I didn't have these ex's as friends to rekindle relationships w/...I have NO IDEA WHAT I WOULD DO!! Clinicals suck. And let's say for example, you get put in a ward or hospital where all the gals (or guys) you'd consider dating are already married. ALL of your day is spent in the hospital. And when you get out of work (after being immersed by "ineligible" dating pool), you are kinda tired from the day. Then you gotta get your "mojo" together to go SOMEWHERE to meet people. Aside from the fact, that you SHOULD probably be studying here and there for your Shelf Exams.

I'm 35. IDK where to go, right? A bar? Really? Or online dating sites? I'd be totally lost if I didn't weave all my "contingency plans" into my life from GO. lol

Strong point. There's been times on heavy rotations when I was too tired to masturbate. Just sort of fell asleep. And then. Dreamt about work. Not exactly hot times. Very mojopenic.

Strong work keeping some on the back burners.

You're also making a solid case for pansexuality. Nice.
 
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