DC IM Programs

[md2b2012]

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Can anyone compare and contrast for me the quality of the IM programs at Georgetown and George Washington in DC? Are these two equal within the DC ranks or is one higher than the other?

 

[gutonc]

Can anyone compare and contrast for me the quality of the IM programs at Georgetown and George Washington in DC? Are these two equal within the DC ranks or is one higher than the other?

This has been covered about a dozen or so times, but roughly:

JHH>>JHU-Bayview~=UMaryland>GT>GW>Howard~=Hopkins-Sinai.

 

[im4ever]

This has been covered about a dozen or so times, but roughly:

JHH>>JHU-Bayview~=UMaryland>GT>GW>Howard~=Hopkins-Sinai.

what about washington hospital center?

 

[SpookyDoc]

what about washington hospital center?

Somewhere in the area of the last two. It's obviously less than Georgetown, and it will be less than GW as well.

 

[francisco84]

This has been covered about a dozen or so times, but roughly:

JHH>>JHU-Bayview~=UMaryland>GT>GW>Howard~=Hopkins-Sinai.

The drop off after GW is substantial... I'd probably put WHC slightly ahead of the last two because of its name in Cards, but really, WHC, HU, and Hopkins-Sinai are 👎thumbdown👎

 

[medicinelover1]

Throwing JHH into the best programs in "DC" is fruitless because there's really no competition, and it's not in DC. However, now that you have, I would argue that GUH has a better national reputation than JHH bayview. Granted, bayview residents match really well at Hopkins, but I think the fellowship match at GUH is better throughout the country. Just some thoughts. I agree Maryland has a really good program. Also, even though Washington Hospital Center isn't thought of highly, I think they get pretty good training and match really well in their cards program.

GUH:
http://medicine.georgetown.edu/documents/2011careerpath.pdf

Bayview:
http://www.hopkinsbayview.org/medicine/residency/lifeafterresidency.html

 

[gold&black2005]

Would still hand it to Bayview over GTown, judging by the match lists. In interviewing at both, was hands down more impressed by Bayview.

 

[gutonc]

Throwing JHH into the best programs in "DC" is fruitless because there's really no competition, and it's not in DC. However, now that you have, I would argue that GUH has a better national reputation than JHH bayview. Granted, bayview residents match really well at Hopkins, but I think the fellowship match at GUH is better throughout the country. Just some thoughts. I agree Maryland has a really good program. Also, even though Washington Hospital Center isn't thought of highly, I think they get pretty good training and match really well in their cards program.

GUH:
http://medicine.georgetown.edu/documents/2011careerpath.pdf

Bayview:
http://www.hopkinsbayview.org/medicine/residency/lifeafterresidency.html

GT has a better rep than Bayview among people who don't know what they're talking about. For everybody else, Bayview easily tops GT. And comparing fellowship matches (assuming that's a valid metric which I happen to disagree with) Bayview crushes GT. Even taking out the "well, they match well at Hopkins" argument (BTW, I never thought I'd hear Hopkins used derogatorily in that setting), they match way better than GT overall.

Using GT's own stats, they've matched 12 residents to top programs in the past 3 years, and 8 of those were in uncompetitive specialties. Bayview matched more residents to top, non-Hopkins programs last year alone.

I wouldn't have brought up Hopkins or Bayview at all but comparing DC programs is kind of boring...they're all OK at best.

 

[medicinelover1]

I waited all day for this response. You must be misreading if you took my comment as derogatory to JHH. It merely was to point out that matching from a satellite program to the real program is a poor metric for "match strength." Bayview's match last year has 2 "competitive specialties," and like I said, 1 is to JHH. GUH matched 6 into cards/gi last year alone (of course, it is a larger program). If subjective data (national perception), and objective data (fellowship match) are not criteria, what criteria does bayview crush GUH? The fact that it has JHH attached to the name?

 

[Instatewaiter]

I waited all day for this response. You must be misreading if you took my comment as derogatory to JHH. It merely was to point out that matching from a satellite program to the real program is a poor metric for "match strength." Bayview's match last year has 2 "competitive specialties," and like I said, 1 is to JHH. GUH matched 6 into cards/gi last year alone (of course, it is a larger program). If subjective data (national perception), and objective data (fellowship match) are not criteria, what criteria does bayview crush GUH? The fact that it has JHH attached to the name?

Personally I think Bayview has a better reputation than Georgetown.

I think comparing the number of "competitive matches" is misleading. First bayview has 14 residents and GU has 30. Second and more importantly, all of the primary care training for hopkins happens at Bayview. That means the people who want primary care/Gen IM/Geriatrics training at Hopkins go to bayview. The people who want competitive specialties stay at JHH. For instance JHH had 17 people go into cards last year alone (has the same number of residents as GUH). So obviously Bayview is going to have fewer people who pursue fellowship based on their mission. Last year, half of Bayview's graduating residents either went into gen IM or geriatrics. Look at the places people who actually wanted fellowships matched: NIH, Penn, Hopkins, Miami, Maryland. It's pretty impressive.


Also, let's look at those cards and GI at GU. Oooh GI to new mexico and Cards in Good Sam in Phoenix... you know what that says to me: It says I couldn't get anything better and had to settle for the middle of nowhere. Doesn't exactly give you that nationally well regarded feel.

 

[gold&black2005]

As usual, agree with instate waiter. Here's a sample of this most recent Bayview match list from friends on the inside:

cards - JHH, Mayo, WashU, Maryland x2
GI - JHH x2

Say what you want about the affiliate program status but the quality of those placements consistently betters GTown.

Personally I think Bayview has a better reputation than Georgetown.

I think comparing the number of "competitive matches" is misleading. First bayview has 14 residents and GU has 30. Second and more importantly, all of the primary care training for hopkins happens at Bayview. That means the people who want primary care/Gen IM/Geriatrics training at Hopkins go to bayview. The people who want competitive specialties stay at JHH. For instance JHH had 17 people go into cards last year alone (has the same number of residents as GUH). So obviously Bayview is going to have fewer people who pursue fellowship based on their mission. Last year, half of Bayview's graduating residents either went into gen IM or geriatrics. Look at the places people who actually wanted fellowships matched: NIH, Penn, Hopkins, Miami, Maryland. It's pretty impressive.


Also, let's look at those cards and GI at GU. Oooh GI to new mexico and Cards in Good Sam in Phoenix... you know what that says to me: It says I couldn't get anything better and had to settle for the middle of nowhere. Doesn't exactly give you that nationally well regarded feel.