Hello. I was told that it is easier getting into dental school vs. medical. How much of this is true? What is the minimum GPA?
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Dental School vs. Medical School
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This is an age-old debate and there are 100s of thread dedicated to this topic----so I'll be brief.
It truly depends on the dental schools and med. schools you are trying to get into. If you try to go to dental school at the U of Iowa, Mich, Penn and have a less than a 3.45 pga you are below average. (I use these schools due to personal knowledge---there are plenty of schools who won't even consider you under a 3.6---Harvard etc...) I also know of several med. schools that have lower standards than many dental schools.
All-in-all, the med. schools have a overall avg gpa ~3.5 - 3.6 and the dental schools are ~3.2 - 3.3.
Once again, this is relative to the school. Either way you look at it-------it is competitive and you'll want to pick the profession based on your desire and passion, not what is easier to get in to. But who am I to question your motives? Good luck
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It truly depends on the dental schools and med. schools you are trying to get into. If you try to go to dental school at the U of Iowa, Mich, Penn and have a less than a 3.45 pga you are below average. (I use these schools due to personal knowledge---there are plenty of schools who won't even consider you under a 3.6---Harvard etc...) I also know of several med. schools that have lower standards than many dental schools.
All-in-all, the med. schools have a overall avg gpa ~3.5 - 3.6 and the dental schools are ~3.2 - 3.3.
Once again, this is relative to the school. Either way you look at it-------it is competitive and you'll want to pick the profession based on your desire and passion, not what is easier to get in to. But who am I to question your motives? Good luck
R.R.B
It is not such a good idea to pick dentistry, or any other health professions career ONLY on the basis of not being accepted to medical school or not even trying for medical school, if that indeed is your first choice. There are a lot of dentists out there who did what you are proposing. Some are happy with their choice, others not. You should look into your heart first and then discuss it at least with your dentist. Keep in mind that there are other possible alternatives, not even in the health professions, that you might want to consider.
Remember, too, that not getting what you want is sometimes a wonderful stroke of luck. You will not appreciate that now, but too soon we get old, too late we get smart.
Live a good honorable life. Then, when you get older and think back, you'll be able to enjoy it a second time.
Remember, too, that not getting what you want is sometimes a wonderful stroke of luck. You will not appreciate that now, but too soon we get old, too late we get smart.
Live a good honorable life. Then, when you get older and think back, you'll be able to enjoy it a second time.
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That would depend upon your definition of "easier." From one stand point, one has about 4,000 chances to get into dental school each year vs 16000 for medical school. Another way to look at the issue is that recent ratios of applicants to acceptances have been nearly equal for both dental school and medical school. Finally, there are the gpa/standarized test score perspectives mentioned by Dr.2b.
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Predental students with an inferiority complex make me mad.
Yes, it is easier to get into dental school than medical school. Sure, a top notch dental program is tougher than a not so prestigious med school, but that doesn't change the fact that as a whole it is easier to get into a dental program.
And I apologize to all you people who think that this makes you somehow inferior. It really doesn't.
Not everyone is smart enough to go to medical school. We need to have a place for the rejects too.
Yes, it is easier to get into dental school than medical school. Sure, a top notch dental program is tougher than a not so prestigious med school, but that doesn't change the fact that as a whole it is easier to get into a dental program.
And I apologize to all you people who think that this makes you somehow inferior. It really doesn't.
Not everyone is smart enough to go to medical school. We need to have a place for the rejects too.
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I am a med school reject. I find your tone insulting. Why insult other people?
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Dentistry is, by no means, as respected as medicine. For the most part not too many people grow up wanting to become
dentists, they usually go into it because medicine was above their abilities. There is some truth to the notion that dental school is full of med school rejects. But when
we think of medicine, we have to acknowledge that many people want to become doctors since childhood. And it is very evident on this forum...most of us are in
love of the idea of being a doctor and not being a doctor itself. This is certainly true for me. The whole idea of being a doctor fascinates me more than actually
becoming one because I really do not care about medicine. I have no interest in physiology, biochem, anatomy, or anything else associated with medicine. All I care
about is being a doctor, as I am sure many other people do. It may seem contradiciting for a doctor to say he doesn't care about medicine, ater all is not medicine
what he is practicing? But you can't argue that this little paradox brings up a point about how many of us are attracted to medicine for extrinsic reasons. Why is it like
this? Simply because medicine is the top profession one can have. There is no reason to explain your job, abilities, education, etc. when you have that M.D. after
your name. That M.D. does all the explaining for you. If you don't believe me, find a friend or associate who is a doctor, take them to a bar or any other social
gathering and either make him reveal his profession or reveal it yourself to a group of women. No doubt they'll be all over him in no time no, questions asked. Try
doing that with a dental degree.
dentists, they usually go into it because medicine was above their abilities. There is some truth to the notion that dental school is full of med school rejects. But when
we think of medicine, we have to acknowledge that many people want to become doctors since childhood. And it is very evident on this forum...most of us are in
love of the idea of being a doctor and not being a doctor itself. This is certainly true for me. The whole idea of being a doctor fascinates me more than actually
becoming one because I really do not care about medicine. I have no interest in physiology, biochem, anatomy, or anything else associated with medicine. All I care
about is being a doctor, as I am sure many other people do. It may seem contradiciting for a doctor to say he doesn't care about medicine, ater all is not medicine
what he is practicing? But you can't argue that this little paradox brings up a point about how many of us are attracted to medicine for extrinsic reasons. Why is it like
this? Simply because medicine is the top profession one can have. There is no reason to explain your job, abilities, education, etc. when you have that M.D. after
your name. That M.D. does all the explaining for you. If you don't believe me, find a friend or associate who is a doctor, take them to a bar or any other social
gathering and either make him reveal his profession or reveal it yourself to a group of women. No doubt they'll be all over him in no time no, questions asked. Try
doing that with a dental degree.
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Hey Monster this has to be the biggest amount of crap I've ever read. Both my parents are doctors and yeah while doctors are respected its stupid of u to think they are better than other professions. Specially when it comes to pickin up women. Most doctors are dorky nerd looking ppl anyways with no diversity in their lives. Besides if picking up women is what it comes dwn to then an high school drop out NBA player could pick up more women than any doctor!!wake up plz. Picking up women at a club or bar is no big deal while u mamy think they are impressed by you being a doctor,thats BS coz they are only impressed coz they think u have alot of money. In that case i know tons of dentists who make more money than most doctors could dream off. Besides there are so many oter prrofessions that make more $$ that doctors. So go pick up cheap unclassy women and think u're pimpn' dum ass.
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Hunk, I find your command of English atrocious... it's no mystery you (and your parents) gave up pursuing a medical career. Are there are other professions that make big bucks? There are, but none of those ways are guaranteed. I mean I have yet to hear of a surgeon who isn't making at
least $200,000 after residency. It is well known that an M.D.= six figure salary. Sure, HMOs and insurance are threatening that, but the fact is that doctors will always
be making bank (especially surgeons). And that basically sums up my motivation to enter medicine, as I am sure it does for many other as well (although they won't
admit it). So although medicine does not seem to be worth it, in the long run it definitely is. I mean what else are you going to do between the ages of 18-29 that will
guarentee you a six figure salary when you hit 30. Bottom line: M.D. = money
least $200,000 after residency. It is well known that an M.D.= six figure salary. Sure, HMOs and insurance are threatening that, but the fact is that doctors will always
be making bank (especially surgeons). And that basically sums up my motivation to enter medicine, as I am sure it does for many other as well (although they won't
admit it). So although medicine does not seem to be worth it, in the long run it definitely is. I mean what else are you going to do between the ages of 18-29 that will
guarentee you a six figure salary when you hit 30. Bottom line: M.D. = money
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I just want to clarify that I was 100% kidding with the last line of my post and want to distance myself from these two monsters ASAP. I agree with very little that they have said and am kind of embarrassed that I might be somehow associated with these punks. I apologize for their idiocy and hope that their teeth rot.
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Funny monster,about the english some of us have lives and do not spend hours on the comp worrying about junk posts like these. However, since you brought it up anyways let me clarify a few things. Firstly, both my parents are medical Doctors. My dad being a cardiac surgeon. Secondly, I just completed my second year of med school at UT-Southwestern. Anyways, fools like you who go into a profession in the hope to accumulate wealth make me laugh. You think making $200K is a lot???hahahaaha please get real it's enough to be above average, secodly for working 60-80 hrs/ week it's peanuts.Go do soemthing u like, instead of disgracing yourself.Wonder how u even made it into med school or wait are you hoping to get in????
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Monster, if you think 200K is a lot of money for working 60-80 hours you are dead wrong. You should have gone into dentistry. Specialists such as orthodontists and endodontists routinely make 750k to 1million/year working 32 hour week. Also, when you are at a social event(assuming you will be invited) and your pager goes off because you are on call, the dentists at the party will be laughing all the way to the bank. Go do your 10 years of school to become a surgeon, and enjoy working nights and weekends while you make 200K. I will be enjoying my money at the beach or on a golf course. By the way, with your attitude I seriously doubt you will ever be anything more than a family doctor at some low paying clinic helping people with their common cold.
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you guys are all pretty sad.
let me just set this straight for the record.
Dentistry vs Medicine.
first of all i'm a graduating dental student who never applied to medicine and never really gave a damn about either dentistry or medicine. i wanted to be a Doctor and that's the end of the story.
but more than that i wanted to make money while working maximum 8 hour days without some sorry ass patient calling me up in the middle night.
i wanted to stay away from the tonnes of years of studying and working after graduation (although continuing education is necessary in dentistry-nothing like medicine).
also the fact of the matter is that dentist on average will make more than the average doctor. especially if they have some common sense and business skills- which more dentists have than MD's - nerdy low lives who recall the kreb cycle with ease.
also medicine is a profession that you will never master. you can become good at it approximately 25 years after beginning to practice- while dentistry is more limited and you can achieve mastery in a quicker time.
medicine is a profession that involves a lot of experimentation. try this drug if it works good.. if not then try this one.. in dentistry the problem is always evident and the solution is always available.
dentistry is a business while medicine is a profession for the people that really give a **** about their patients.
bottom line is. if you want to make quick money and not work that hard and u enjoy using your hands and retiring at 50 then dentistry is for you.
if you want to study and read for the rest of your life and be a nerd and bull**** your patients. then medicine is your path.
only surgeons and specialists are to be respected in medicine while GP's are the biggest *******es in the world. they know nothing except Tylenol and Ibuprofen or signing that referral slip!
good luck to all
Drill Fill Bill
let me just set this straight for the record.
Dentistry vs Medicine.
first of all i'm a graduating dental student who never applied to medicine and never really gave a damn about either dentistry or medicine. i wanted to be a Doctor and that's the end of the story.
but more than that i wanted to make money while working maximum 8 hour days without some sorry ass patient calling me up in the middle night.
i wanted to stay away from the tonnes of years of studying and working after graduation (although continuing education is necessary in dentistry-nothing like medicine).
also the fact of the matter is that dentist on average will make more than the average doctor. especially if they have some common sense and business skills- which more dentists have than MD's - nerdy low lives who recall the kreb cycle with ease.
also medicine is a profession that you will never master. you can become good at it approximately 25 years after beginning to practice- while dentistry is more limited and you can achieve mastery in a quicker time.
medicine is a profession that involves a lot of experimentation. try this drug if it works good.. if not then try this one.. in dentistry the problem is always evident and the solution is always available.
dentistry is a business while medicine is a profession for the people that really give a **** about their patients.
bottom line is. if you want to make quick money and not work that hard and u enjoy using your hands and retiring at 50 then dentistry is for you.
if you want to study and read for the rest of your life and be a nerd and bull**** your patients. then medicine is your path.
only surgeons and specialists are to be respected in medicine while GP's are the biggest *******es in the world. they know nothing except Tylenol and Ibuprofen or signing that referral slip!
good luck to all
Drill Fill Bill
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Mr. Monster
if you think that in medicine when you hit 30 you will make a 6 figure salary you must be on crack.
only neurosurgeons and extremely successful multi practice doctors will come close to that. by the time you are 30 in medicine you will an MD maybe and be earning 30,000 dollars in your 24 hour shift in the hospital.
i can already tell that you're a ******* because you have no vision or at least a realistic one. maybe you need to be a dentist to have that? hmm.. yeah we don't need nerds in our profession so stick with your MD and i would love to see you roll up at the hospital at 30 years old on your scooter while i pull up in my porsche 911.
good luck and wisen up kiddo
Fayez
if you think that in medicine when you hit 30 you will make a 6 figure salary you must be on crack.
only neurosurgeons and extremely successful multi practice doctors will come close to that. by the time you are 30 in medicine you will an MD maybe and be earning 30,000 dollars in your 24 hour shift in the hospital.
i can already tell that you're a ******* because you have no vision or at least a realistic one. maybe you need to be a dentist to have that? hmm.. yeah we don't need nerds in our profession so stick with your MD and i would love to see you roll up at the hospital at 30 years old on your scooter
while i pull up in my porsche 911.good luck and wisen up kiddo
Fayez
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ok...so I guess what you're saying is that dentists are in the business of making money. You have done a really good job of convincing yourself that medicine is not for you, but is for the "nerdy low-lives who recall the kreb cycle with ease."
If you think every graduate dental student makes well into the six figures from the get-go, you will be in for a rude awakening. Where I come from, it's called "Building a patient (or in your case, customer) base." And that takes YEARS.
I won't even begin with the startup costs to open your own clinic.
Am I saying that there aren't dentists out there who make a ton of cash straight out of high school? No...there are plenty of folks out there who have great connections (father owns a clinic; becoming an associate at a burgeoning practice). And I'm not saying that you don't have those connections either...but the vast majority of dentists out there aren't buying Porsches by the time they're 30-years old (hard to believe, I know).
Like medicine, dentistry has its drawbacks and advantages. I know a lot of future dentists, and most of them have the same attitude as you do when it comes to dentistry...great pay, great hours, the distinction of being a "doctor". However, most aren't as sour on the medical profession as you are. As a matter of fact, the dean of the dental school where I live has his daughter going to medical school...so medicine can't be all bad if a dentist sends his daughter to medical school.
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Whether you pursue medicine or dentistry, money shouldn't be the main motivation. It is a privilege to practice and deal with the health of so many people and they do look up to these professionals for their advice. Along with this comes a lot of responsibility.
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Why are you dentists trying so hard? The rigorous and demanding path to medicine is a great enough screen that weeds out those weak of mind and stamina... and the great number of applications and interests of the general population are so telling, since the rewards and incentives of being a doctor is greater than anything else.
In my opinion doctors are "better" than dentists. By better I mean smarter, more aggressive, highly confident, and have a lot of stamina and resilience. They have
the capacity to seek delayed gratification and don't just act on impulse but think rationally before they decide. Much of the general population lacks this, even other
professionals. I mean I can just tell I am smarter than many of my professors when they were my age and anyone with half a brain can become a lawyer. So yes
doctors are held above dentists, and you must remember that not long ago they were held above all others...it is just recently that HMOs have made medicine into a
business and the reputation of doctors is on the decline...but hey as long as a surgeon pulls in over $500K a year at least, I could care less about what some average, TV
watching, $15 per hour American thinks about me...or anybody else for that matter.
In my opinion doctors are "better" than dentists. By better I mean smarter, more aggressive, highly confident, and have a lot of stamina and resilience. They have
the capacity to seek delayed gratification and don't just act on impulse but think rationally before they decide. Much of the general population lacks this, even other
professionals. I mean I can just tell I am smarter than many of my professors when they were my age and anyone with half a brain can become a lawyer. So yes
doctors are held above dentists, and you must remember that not long ago they were held above all others...it is just recently that HMOs have made medicine into a
business and the reputation of doctors is on the decline...but hey as long as a surgeon pulls in over $500K a year at least, I could care less about what some average, TV
watching, $15 per hour American thinks about me...or anybody else for that matter.
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I see that you're living up to your name, monster.
I suppose that doctors are also better than air conditioner repairmen. But boy, oh boy, did I need one of them the other day. Good thing that people follow their calling, and that there's someone to diagnose and repair my A/C as WELL as my teeth as WELL as my health.
You couldn't pay me enough to be a dentist. Same goes for surgery. Doesn't mean that one is better than the other inherently, though.
Well, I'm off to pop pimples... got a problem with that?
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Monster,
Guard your ego. There are some real intelligent gunners in prison at this very moment because they thought they were brighter than everyone else including insurance company detectives.
Guard your ego. There are some real intelligent gunners in prison at this very moment because they thought they were brighter than everyone else including insurance company detectives.
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Monster,
from reading your posts, I can tell than you are a struggling pre-med who wants to become like his uncle who was some hot-shot surgeon making 750k in 1972.
First, it does not take intelligence, just hard work, to BECOME a doctor. To BE a doctor requires a lot more than brains and hardwork. I know a lot of doctors who don't know their right from their left, but somehow they're still doctors. Eventhough ego-maniacs like yourself do become doctors, your sh***t will come out when you practice.
My advice to you, please lose the superior-intelligence complex; I can name a phonebooks worth of scientists, musicians, authors, professors, politicians, engineers whose IQ's you wouldn't even come close to, even if you squared yours.
Don't go into medicine just to make a mere living; become a physcian and do something useful. Contrary to your belief, not everyone goes into medicine to make money.
As someone said in an earlier post, you should feel priveldged to go into medicine.
As for dentistry, I'll be happy to let you know that just as many people in medicine are in it for the money as in dentistry.
In my opinion, just as there are doctors for the heart, for the kidneys, for the lungs, for eyes, there are doctors for the mouth and teeth. Only recently are people realizing the importance of dental care, so dentistry is still a young profession. Just because children want to "grow up to be something" doesn't give it value over other professions. The desire to "grow up and be something", is subject to cultural biases and depends on time and plce. In France, no body wants to grow up and be a doctor..(side note: doctors are so underpaid in France that they went on strike). In ancient Rome no one wanted to be a doctor, children dreamt of being fighting gladiators, does that mean that gladiators are, as you put it "better" than doctors?
I think you should reconsider your career choice; don't go into medicine because your parents are pushing you.
And here's a wake up call: if you become a doctor, the rest of your life will be biochem, anatomy, physiology...and I'll warn you, if you don't like medicine, don't go into it, because you'll end up making a sh**ty doctor. That means you'll spend half your life in court and won't even make as much as your hot-shot uncle's surgical assistant.
I sincerely hope that you do not make it into medical school, we have enough arrogant doctors who think patients owe them something!
Day by day, doctors like you piss on the greatness of our profession.
