Dental school will be next???

[wizi]

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A Bunch Of Young Lawyers Are Suing Their Law Schools Because They Don't Have Jobs


A bunch of recently graduated and unemployed lawyers are suing their law schools for false hope.

A total of 75 alumni have filed at least 15 class-action lawsuits across the country, accusing their law schools of inflating employment and salary data to attract prospective students.

The New York Daily News reported that graduates from the Brooklyn Law School accuse the school of fraud, saying that “attending Brooklyn Law and forking nearly $150,000 in tuition payments is a terrible investment."

The school's Web site reported employment rates of 88 to 98 percent within nine months of graduation, but the students allege these figures included students who had part-time or temporary work unrelated to the legal field, according to the Daily News.

Recent graduates from New York Law School filed a $200 million class action suit in damages for fraud, negligent misrepresentation, and violations of business law.

Financial writer Flexo at Consumerism Commentary says that the goal of the lawsuits seem not to merely receive compensation, but to "effect systemic change in the education industry and associations that accredit law schools, like the American Bar Association."

He also says it'll be hard for the students to win their case, since there are many "factors that contribute to unemployment, including the overall economy, local job markets, and the effort, skills, and self-marketability of each alumnus."




Read more: http://articles.businessinsider.com...tes-negligent-misrepresentation#ixzz1mePS1xOb

 

[doc toothache]

Heck yeah, after all we have been blaming everybody for our misfortunes. If it fails, maybe they could take to task the undergrad universities, their former HS, middle school, elementary and finally pre K; if that fails, go after grandma/grandpa.

 

[TheClutch]

Heck yeah, after all we have been blaming everybody for our misfortunes. If it fails, maybe they could take to task the undergrad universities, their former HS, middle school, elementary and finally pre K; if that fails, go after grandma/grandpa.

you clearly missed the point. They are not blaming law schools for their misfortunes. The schools were providing with inflated and mislead data to attract students. That's misrepresentation. In marketing, that's an serious issue. Salesmen/sellers are liable for that. I'm sure it is applicable to this situation. School is the sellers providing service with unreasonable facts knowingly. When schools like that openly and publicly advertise the false data like that, that's breach of warranty.

 

[Dgeorg6]

The Law school said that 88-98% of all graduates were employed 9 months after graduation.. That is a true statement, and most law schools do this. I doubt they get a dime, people sue over everything these days. Just stop bitching and move somewhere else and get a job

 

[dantemac]

Ahh, HPSP: 100% chance I'll have a job 😀

 

[wired202808]

The Law school said that 88-98% of all graduates were employed 9 months after graduation.. That is a true statement, and most law schools do this. I doubt they get a dime, people sue over everything these days. Just stop bitching and move somewhere else and get a job

you're an idiot. law schools report that grads are employed after 9 months but that doesnt mean they're employed in the legal field. If you work at Mcdonalds after law school, then you are considered employed. They're ripping off students and blatantly lying to them. But then again law school has always been a bs type of institution and there's no limit to the amount of grads that come out each year. Law in america is an over saturated and an underpaid profession it's also a pretty poor career choice for the 21st century.

 

[wired202808]

A Bunch Of Young Lawyers Are Suing Their Law Schools Because They Don't Have Jobs


A bunch of recently graduated and unemployed lawyers are suing their law schools for false hope.

A total of 75 alumni have filed at least 15 class-action lawsuits across the country, accusing their law schools of inflating employment and salary data to attract prospective students.

The New York Daily News reported that graduates from the Brooklyn Law School accuse the school of fraud, saying that “attending Brooklyn Law and forking nearly $150,000 in tuition payments is a terrible investment."

The school's Web site reported employment rates of 88 to 98 percent within nine months of graduation, but the students allege these figures included students who had part-time or temporary work unrelated to the legal field, according to the Daily News.

Recent graduates from New York Law School filed a $200 million class action suit in damages for fraud, negligent misrepresentation, and violations of business law.

Financial writer Flexo at Consumerism Commentary says that the goal of the lawsuits seem not to merely receive compensation, but to "effect systemic change in the education industry and associations that accredit law schools, like the American Bar Association."

He also says it'll be hard for the students to win their case, since there are many "factors that contribute to unemployment, including the overall economy, local job markets, and the effort, skills, and self-marketability of each alumnus."




Read more: http://articles.businessinsider.com...tes-negligent-misrepresentation#ixzz1mePS1xOb

Wizi please dont spread paranoia from law to dentistry... thats a huge stretch... thats like saying you can get HIV from hugging someone with HIV... its a very silly statement indeed. The legal profession as well as all the law schools are in shambles when it comes to the real world. They overcharge their students for tuition and offer them zero prospect of a real job that can cover the loans. Most law students are at least $150K in debt (pre interest) and will surely suffer the consequences. Is this right? Of course not and I feel for them. But ultimately its a field that should be avoided at all costs. There is no justifiable reason anyone should enter that field.

 

[Seamonkey Doc]

So wizi.... Why do you think dental school might/will be next? From my understanding, one of the biggest benefits of health care professions is job security.

 

[doc toothache]

you clearly missed the point. They are not blaming law schools for their misfortunes. The schools were providing with inflated and mislead data to attract students. That's misrepresentation. In marketing, that's an serious issue. Salesmen/sellers are liable for that. I'm sure it is applicable to this situation. School is the sellers providing service with unreasonable facts knowingly. When schools like that openly and publicly advertise the false data like that, that's breach of warranty.

It remains to be seen whether or not the judge/jury agrees with you assessment.

 

[wizi]

Wizi please dont spread paranoia from law to dentistry... thats a huge stretch... thats like saying you can get HIV from hugging someone with HIV... its a very silly statement indeed. The legal profession as well as all the law schools are in shambles when it comes to the real world. They overcharge their students for tuition and offer them zero prospect of a real job that can cover the loans. Most law students are at least $150K in debt (pre interest) and will surely suffer the consequences. Is this right? Of course not and I feel for them. But ultimately its a field that should be avoided at all costs. There is no justifiable reason anyone should enter that field.

What statement?

 

[wizi]

you're an idiot. law schools report that grads are employed after 9 months but that doesnt mean they're employed in the legal field. If you work at Mcdonalds after law school, then you are considered employed. They're ripping off students and blatantly lying to them. But then again law school has always been a bs type of institution and there's no limit to the amount of grads that come out each year. Law in america is an over saturated and an underpaid profession it's also a pretty poor career choice for the 21st century.

Becareful with your words, wire202808.

Didn't someone teach you that only an idiot calls others idiot when you were in elementary school? If he say something wrong, kindly remind him. No need to call someone else like that.

We all know that you are the smartest guy on the internet so get the hell out of my thread.

 

[wizi]

So wizi.... Why do you think dental school might/will be next? From my understanding, one of the biggest benefits of health care professions is job security.

I just think that this thread is a good read for everyone. Will dental school be next? I really dont know. That's why I put 3 question marks on the title. 😀

 

[timwatley]

Sounds about right. Our country allows burglars to sue the house/owners they're robbing if they get injured while robbing. I doubt it gets labeled as misrepresentation. Definitely very slimy though.

There are unethical businesses everywhere. Take furniture rental companies. They target those with poor credit and make these people pay 5000 for a sofa that's normally worth 1000 (via small monthly payments). If you have a decent IQ you avoid companies like this.

Nobody forced these students to shell out 150k for tuition. They could have made an effort to see how bad the market was by talking to recent grads. My friend has the same amount of debt and is making 30k a year working lots of hours at a small firm. Some of his grad buddies are actually working at wal mart - the poor law market is pretty wide spread.

I can see this happening to D-schools a number of years down the road. Right now there are thousands of applicants that would pay 500-600k for USC or Lecom if they needed to. They are financially irresponsible and completely naive.

These law students took a chance and it failed miserably, suing is not the mature response.

 

[Dgeorg6]

you're an idiot. law schools report that grads are employed after 9 months but that doesnt mean they're employed in the legal field. If you work at Mcdonalds after law school, then you are considered employed. They're ripping off students and blatantly lying to them. But then again law school has always been a bs type of institution and there's no limit to the amount of grads that come out each year. Law in america is an over saturated and an underpaid profession it's also a pretty poor career choice for the 21st century.

You completely misinterpreted what i said.. What I was saying is most Law school calculate numbers and say that a % has a job right after graduation, which is true. They don't mention that those jobs are in the law field or not so they are not providing false information.. Most law schools do this, and some even EMPLOY ex law students to put these statistics together to make the % higher..

They aren'y lying to anyone, dumb students just misinterpret their surveys and ASSUME they mean in the law field..

Is it wrong, yes.. Is it against the law? no.

 

[wired202808]

Becareful with your words, wire202808.

Didn't someone teach you that only an idiot calls others idiot when you were in elementary school? If he say something wrong, kindly remind him. No need to call someone else like that.

We all know that you are the smartest guy on the internet so get the hell out of my thread.

dont be jealous that I call em as I see them. I use real evidence instead of paranoia in my threads. Please stop hatin.

 

[wired202808]

You completely misinterpreted what i said.. What I was saying is most Law school calculate numbers and say that a % has a job right after graduation, which is true. They don't mention that those jobs are in the law field or not so they are not providing false information.. Most law schools do this, and some even EMPLOY ex law students to put these statistics together to make the % higher..

They aren'y lying to anyone, dumb students just misinterpret their surveys and ASSUME they mean in the law field..

Is it wrong, yes.. Is it against the law? no.

law schools never state that those jobs are from the legal field vs. from mcdonalds. They should state this info and be honest with this students but they're too busy counting the $$$ thats rolling in. Law schools = big business, law professors get huge salaries... students get the shaft and have to bury themselves out of a 200K worth of loans... poor law students didnt know what hit em.

Luckily this has nothing to do with dentistry and won't affect us one bit. Nothing like this occurs in dentistry because they're a lot less schools, more opportunities, and more demand for dentists than for lawyers. I dont know what the point of the paranoia is but this has nothing to do with the future of dentistry and cannot be correlated as such.

 

[Seamonkey Doc]

I just think that this thread is a good read for everyone. Will dental school be next? I really dont know. That's why I put 3 question marks on the title. 😀

Well I got that 🙄 ... However, how are you drawing correlations between law school/lawyers and dental school/dentists? They're two completely different fields.

Even though there's a high divorce rate and people write wills, not everyone needs a lawyer, at least not frequently. However, everyone needs a dentist frequently (at least for cleanings and basic checkups) if they want to keep up with their oral health care. Hence there are more opportunities for dentists than for lawyers.

 

[wizi]

Well I got that 🙄 ... However, how are you drawing correlations between law school/lawyers and dental school/dentists? They're two completely different fields.

Even though there's a high divorce rate and people write wills, not everyone needs a lawyer, at least not frequently. However, everyone needs a dentist frequently (at least for cleanings and basic checkups) if they want to keep up with their oral health care. Hence there are more opportunities for dentists than for lawyers.

lol I really come in peace. Since you keep going at it, here it goes.

Correlation: we all talk about education + countless hours of studying + take years to finish + we will be in so much debt after we are done.

Take your example:
"Even though there's a high divorce rate and people write wills, not everyone needs a lawyer" --> sure, its true but we need lawyers for anything in life. Suing your neighbors, cheaters, workers, CEOs, FBI, CIA, yourself, your family, your loved ones who join the dark side, your neighbor's dog, a stranger, another dentist, mcdonald, KFC, your future ex-wife, your chickens, farmers, workers, managers, girlfriends, cars, insurances, health, wealth, immigrants and thousands more things for a lawyer to do...

What a dentist have to do? Only teeth.

"there are more opportunities for dentists than for lawyers." --> base on those examples above, are you sure there are more opportunities for dentists than for lawyers?

I am not drawing any attention. This is just a news like any other news. You guys make it harder for yourself. Read and enjoy.

If I get a C on my test next week, Ill haunt you 😀

 

[wizi]

Sounds about right. Our country allows burglars to sue the house/owners they're robbing if they get injured while robbing. I doubt it gets labeled as misrepresentation. Definitely very slimy though.

There are unethical businesses everywhere. Take furniture rental companies. They target those with poor credit and make these people pay 5000 for a sofa that's normally worth 1000 (via small monthly payments). If you have a decent IQ you avoid companies like this.

Nobody forced these students to shell out 150k for tuition. They could have made an effort to see how bad the market was by talking to recent grads. My friend has the same amount of debt and is making 30k a year working lots of hours at a small firm. Some of his grad buddies are actually working at wal mart - the poor law market is pretty wide spread.

I can see this happening to D-schools a number of years down the road. Right now there are thousands of applicants that would pay 500-600k for USC or Lecom if they needed to. They are financially irresponsible and completely naive.

These law students took a chance and it failed miserably, suing is not the mature response.

👍👍👍👍

 

[Seamonkey Doc]

lol I really come in peace. Since you keep going at it, here it goes.

Correlation: we all talk about education + countless hours of studying + take years to finish + we will be in so much debt after we are done.

Take your example:
"Even though there's a high divorce rate and people write wills, not everyone needs a lawyer" --> sure, its true but we need lawyers for anything in life. Suing your neighbors, cheaters, workers, CEOs, FBI, CIA, yourself, your family, your loved ones who join the dark side, your neighbor's dog, a stranger, another dentist, mcdonald, KFC, your future ex-wife, your chickens, farmers, workers, managers, girlfriends, cars, insurances, health, wealth, immigrants and thousands more things for a lawyer to do...

What a dentist have to do? Only teeth.

"there are more opportunities for dentists than for lawyers." --> base on those examples above, are you sure there are more opportunities for dentists than for lawyers?

I am not drawing any attention. This is just a news like any other news. You guys make it harder for yourself. Read and enjoy.

If I get a C on my test next week, Ill haunt you 😀

I was genuinely curious about how the two fields could be linked; didn't mean to come off as pestering if I did.

Good luck with your test 😛

 

[UltimateHombre]

Sounds about right. Our country allows burglars to sue the house/owners they're robbing if they get injured while robbing. I doubt it gets labeled as misrepresentation. Definitely very slimy though.

There are unethical businesses everywhere. Take furniture rental companies. They target those with poor credit and make these people pay 5000 for a sofa that's normally worth 1000 (via small monthly payments). If you have a decent IQ you avoid companies like this.

Nobody forced these students to shell out 150k for tuition. They could have made an effort to see how bad the market was by talking to recent grads. My friend has the same amount of debt and is making 30k a year working lots of hours at a small firm. Some of his grad buddies are actually working at wal mart - the poor law market is pretty wide spread.

I can see this happening to D-schools a number of years down the road. Right now there are thousands of applicants that would pay 500-600k for USC or Lecom if they needed to. They are financially irresponsible and completely naive.

These law students took a chance and it failed miserably, suing is not the mature response.

Just for the record, not that i am defending LECOM in any way, but they are really not any more expensive than the regular private schools. Actually maybe even a little cheaper. Plus i imagine cost of living in Bradenton is much less than LA.

LECOM = 50K a year
http://lecom.edu/pros_financialaid.php/school-of-dental-medicine-tuition-fees/76/0/1956/20471

USC = 80K a year
http://dentistry.usc.edu/programs/dds/cost-of-attendance/

 

[uva09]

law schools never state that those jobs are from the legal field vs. from mcdonalds. They should state this info and be honest with this students but they're too busy counting the $$$ thats rolling in. Law schools = big business, law professors get huge salaries... students get the shaft and have to bury themselves out of a 200K worth of loans... poor law students didnt know what hit em.

Luckily this has nothing to do with dentistry and won't affect us one bit. Nothing like this occurs in dentistry because they're a lot less schools, more opportunities, and more demand for dentists than for lawyers. I dont know what the point of the paranoia is but this has nothing to do with the future of dentistry and cannot be correlated as such.

These posts are riddled with egregious generalizations. Have you researched the websites of every law school? Clearly you haven't - there are numerous, well regarded institutions that report detailed information concerning employment data for recent graduates. In fact the data often tracks multiple classes. And yes, there are distinctions between legal and non-legal fields as well as detailed delineations within the legal field itself. At the top tier law schools, the vast majority will secure jobs with high compensation and high security. Are there exceptions and outliers, sure. Are there suspect programs? Yes. But you open by calling someone an "idiot" and then commit the same fallacies of generalizing and speculating.

The legal profession as well as all the law schools are in shambles when it comes to the real world? All law schools, eh? What is this based on? Again, tremendous generalization.

Zero prospect of a real job that can cover the loans? Unfounded and not accurate.

I use real evidence instead of paranoia in my threads. Clearly you use "real" evidence in your posts.

Here is information from a small sampling of top ranked law schools:

http://www.law.uchicago.edu/prospective/employmentdata

http://www.law.umich.edu/careers/classstats/Pages/default.aspx

http://www.law.virginia.edu/html/about/factsstats.htm

http://www.law.duke.edu/career/employmentdata

http://www.law.yale.edu/admissions/cdoprospectivestudentstats.htm

http://web.law.columbia.edu/admissions/jd/apply/faq/careers

This article was not crafted to highlight or critique the entire law field, but rather, the practices of a specific law school or select few institutions. There is tremendous parity amongst dental schools and this parity is simply not present amongst law schools - there are clearly 'good' schools and 'bad' schools with regards to job placement and program integrity. Well over 100,000 students graduate from law schools in this country annually. This class action suit refers to 75 individuals. This isn't even newsworthy. Could this happen in dentistry? Sure, if a dental school falsely reported employment statistics. Would a similar example offer any larger statements on the profession of dentistry? No, not likely, for the same reasons.

Tough economic times. Tough job market. People are going to question the opportunity cost of career pathways across a wide range of professions and industries. People are going to get angry. This is nothing groundbreaking.

 

[wired202808]

These posts are riddled with egregious generalizations. Have you researched the websites of every law school? Clearly you haven't - there are numerous, well regarded institutions that report detailed information concerning employment data for recent graduates. In fact the data often tracks multiple classes. And yes, there are distinctions between legal and non-legal fields as well as detailed delineations within the legal field itself. At the top tier law schools, the vast majority will secure jobs with high compensation and high security. Are there exceptions and outliers, sure. Are there suspect programs? Yes. But you open by calling someone an "idiot" and then commit the same fallacies of generalizing and speculating.

The legal profession as well as all the law schools are in shambles when it comes to the real world? All law schools, eh? What is this based on? Again, tremendous generalization.

Zero prospect of a real job that can cover the loans? Unfounded and not accurate.

I use real evidence instead of paranoia in my threads. Clearly you use "real" evidence in your posts.

Here is information from a small sampling of top ranked law schools:

http://www.law.uchicago.edu/prospective/employmentdata

http://www.law.umich.edu/careers/classstats/Pages/default.aspx

http://www.law.virginia.edu/html/about/factsstats.htm

http://www.law.duke.edu/career/employmentdata

http://www.law.yale.edu/admissions/cdoprospectivestudentstats.htm

http://web.law.columbia.edu/admissions/jd/apply/faq/careers

This article was not crafted to highlight or critique the entire law field, but rather, the practices of a specific law school or select few institutions. There is tremendous parity amongst dental schools and this parity is simply not present amongst law schools - there are clearly 'good' schools and 'bad' schools with regards to job placement and program integrity. Well over 100,000 students graduate from law schools in this country annually. This class action suit refers to 75 individuals. This isn't even newsworthy. Could this happen in dentistry? Sure, if a dental school falsely reported employment statistics. Would a similar example offer any larger statements on the profession of dentistry? No, not likely, for the same reasons.

Tough economic times. Tough job market. People are going to question the opportunity cost of career pathways across a wide range of professions and industries. People are going to get angry. This is nothing groundbreaking.

Thanks for pointing out the top law schools. Most people do not go to these law schools. I have friends in nearly every law school on the east coast. There are nearly 200 law schools in the nation, each class has around 100 students in the part time and full time division. So on average there is at least 40,000 new lawyers coming out each year 😱 you really believe that all of the lawyers get the best jobs? No and that's a fact. If you dont believe me go to the law forum websites and read about their misery and complaints. In addition, during the 2008 and 2009 cycles grads from top law schools like NYU, Fordham, etc. had their job offers deferred by at least a year because the law firms didn't want to take on additional expenses. Meanwhile these were the "best and brightest" students who had the 150K / 80 hours a week jobs lined up.

Additionally student who finish the bottom 100 schools aka Tier 3 and Tier 4's often struggle to find a job that will pay 50K for temporary document review. I could go on and on and on. Its totally unjustifiable to go to law school and pay nearly 150K in tuition and graduate with no job and no prospects of a job in the near future. Majority of grads from Tier 3 and 4 schools open up their own firms because no one is willing to hire them. Again you're a smart guy, go use google and read up on this.

Also I dunno what kind of stuff you're talking about but schools DO NOT list legal vs. non-legal jobs when they publish their statistics. If you can prove me wrong please do so, but I know that you can't because they don't do that. Ask anyone going into law and they'll cry to you about their problems and the debt they face. Its probably the worst grad program today. Again all of my statements are facts that can be evidenced by law grads, current students, online forums, articles, etc. Please don't use the Top 20 law schools because they only make up a small fraction of the total and most people do not get into those schools.

And for future reference when attempting to prove a point don't use the stats from a school thats attempting to sell you a seat in their class. Use real world data.

Here's the biggest law blog online that shows real world results to my "unfounded information"

http://abovethelaw.com/2012/01/more-evidence-that-the-legal-job-market-is-in-terrible-shape/

 

[uva09]

Perhaps you should reread my post oh wise one. And perhaps you should click on one of those links.

I was critiquing your use of superflous language and absolutes such as "all law schools" or "every law school".

You claimed all law schools fail to list certain information regarding job placement and graduate statistics. I listed a few schools that offer such information. Perhaps you should click and read. It doesn't matter if the listed school is the #1 school or the worst. You said "all schools". This is not accurate and, as I noted, a generalization. It's pretty simple.

You have friends at every law school on the east coast? Who cares. Does this give you any additional credibility? No, it's the juvenile argumentative equivalent of... well, my daddys says...

Also, where is your evidence?

Here is evidence...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_school_in_the_United_States

In 2008 there were 142,922 students enrolled in JD programs at the 200 approved ABA law schools, 53% male and 47% female.

Also, your diatribe about good and bad schools was never contested and I noted the lack of parity in my post. Those that go to top schools have a much better chance at employment success.

 

[UltimateHombre]

uva and wired.... your guys' bickering is seriously getting on my nerves.

Lets just save some time and each of you post a pic of your penis... whoever is larger we will give more credibility too.

 

[omnipoDent]

Becareful with your words, wire202808.

Didn't someone teach you that only an idiot calls others idiot when you were in elementary school? If he say something wrong, kindly remind him. No need to call someone else like that.

We all know that you are the smartest guy on the internet so get the hell out of my thread.

Wired202808 spewing nonsense, insulting others for their opinions, and getting on people's nerves?!?! I never would have guessed.

 

[Seamonkey Doc]

uva and wired.... your guys' bickering is seriously getting on my nerves.

Lets just save some time and each of you post a pic of your penis... whoever is larger we will give more credibility too.

AGREED. I swear we can have a "coke or pepsi" discussion and one will argue with anyone who disagrees with their choice

Wired202808 spewing nonsense, insulting others for their opinions, and getting on people's nerves?!?! I never would have guessed.

Consequences of anonymous forums.

 

[uva09]

Bickering?

Just don't call someone that contributed a valid point as Dgeorg6 did an idiot and then offer up a bunch of generalizations littered with absolutes and speculative talk.

 

[Seamonkey Doc]

Bickering?

Just don't call someone that contributed a valid point as Dgeorg6 did an idiot and then offer up a bunch of generalizations littered with absolutes and speculative talk.

Sometimes it's best to ignore posters like that. Responding to them will give them another excuse to say more. I can understand though, since the name calling is ridiculous. It amazes me that some people on this forum are old enough to go to dental school but they cannot politely disagree with someone.

 

[wired202808]

Bickering?

Just don't call someone that contributed a valid point as Dgeorg6 did an idiot and then offer up a bunch of generalizations littered with absolutes and speculative talk.

see other post.

 

[wired202808]

Perhaps you should reread my post oh wise one. And perhaps you should click on one of those links.

I was critiquing your use of superflous language and absolutes such as "all law schools" or "every law school".

You claimed all law schools fail to list certain information regarding job placement and graduate statistics. I listed a few schools that offer such information. Perhaps you should click and read. It doesn't matter if the listed school is the #1 school or the worst. You said "all schools". This is not accurate and, as I noted, a generalization. It's pretty simple.

You have friends at every law school on the east coast? Who cares. Does this give you any additional credibility? No, it's the juvenile argumentative equivalent of... well, my daddys says...

Also, where is your evidence?

Here is evidence...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_school_in_the_United_States

In 2008 there were 142,922 students enrolled in JD programs at the 200 approved ABA law schools, 53% male and 47% female.

Also, your diatribe about good and bad schools was never contested and I noted the lack of parity in my post. Those that go to top schools have a much better chance at employment success.

for a nitpicker like you ill be sure to say MOST SCHOOLS. Well why dont you enroll in a law program and find out what its like? 🙂

 

[wired202808]

these kids love to argue

 

[wired202808]

uva and wired.... your guys' bickering is seriously getting on my nerves.

Lets just save some time and each of you post a pic of your penis... whoever is larger we will give more credibility too.

you're right hombre. I will stop arguing with these kids.

 

[DavesNotHere]

these kids love to argue

Why would you go to law school when you should be getting a DDS/PharmD dual degree...

Jk.

 

[wired202808]

Why would you go to law school when you should be getting a DDS/PharmD dual degree...

Jk.

i never said you should get a dual degree. 😕

 

[Seamonkey Doc]

i never said you should get a dual degree. 😕

 

[timwatley]

Just for the record, not that i am defending LECOM in any way, but they are really not any more expensive than the regular private schools. Actually maybe even a little cheaper. Plus i imagine cost of living in Bradenton is much less than LA.

LECOM = 50K a year
http://lecom.edu/pros_financialaid.php/school-of-dental-medicine-tuition-fees/76/0/1956/20471

USC = 80K a year
http://dentistry.usc.edu/programs/dds/cost-of-attendance/

Yeah, I used Lecom because they are brand new, no rep, expensive, and not accredited. Their students might have to take out private loans due to the lack of/slow accreditation. Yet, despite the short comings there are tons of students willing to take a seat.

 

[UCLAzy]

this will not happen in dentistry.

dental schools teach ppl how to do dentistry, law schools teach ppl how to, among other things, sue.

dental students/recent grads in debt wouldnt have the money to afford lawyers to sue..the new grads out of law school might not have to hire anyone to sue =P

 

[Seamonkey Doc]

this will not happen in dentistry.

dental schools teach ppl how to do dentistry, law schools teach ppl how to, among other things, sue.

dental students/recent grads in debt wouldnt have the money to afford lawyers to sue..the new grads out of law school might not have to hire anyone to sue =P

I agree it will not happen in dentistry, at least not anytime soon. Law and business schools are extremely risky choices. You can make it big or not make it as well as you wanted to and be stuck with debt and disappointment. In a group of one hundred people, some may file for divorce and some file lawsuits but everyone will need to see a dentist.
In dentistry (as well as some other health professions), you'll be making six figures on average, even as a GP. You're job most likely won't be in danger as long as you provide good service. Even if you take out monstrous loans ($400,000), you can repay them while living comfortably 🙂xf: hoping no one is going to start a war over this...) .

It's really like comparing apples and oranges.

 

[uva09]

Maybe - although it's fairly presumptuous to think that lawyers would do pro bono work just because the suit is in the name of fellow lawyers or alumni.

And the whole point of class action suit is to aggregate a series of individual claims into one, single suit with single representation - thus bringing the costs way down per plaintiff and making it fairly accessible and financially viable to most anyone (dental graduates), though the final settlement value per plaintiff is often terribly low.

 

[timwatley]

I agree it will not happen in dentistry, at least not anytime soon. Law and business schools are extremely risky choices. You can make it big or not make it as well as you wanted to and be stuck with debt and disappointment. In a group of one hundred people, some may file for divorce and some file lawsuits but everyone will need to see a dentist.
In dentistry (as well as some other health professions), you'll be making six figures on average, even as a GP. You're job most likely won't be in danger as long as you provide good service. Even if you take out monstrous loans ($400,000), you can repay them while living comfortably 🙂xf: hoping no one is going to start a war over this...) .

It's really like comparing apples and oranges.

🙂

I don't quite look at it as a stable six figures. Given the market conditions right now I see the profession providing stable 6 figure salaries for the short term. Long term, anything could happen...that's why I'm going balls out after I graduate to pay my debts off.

 

[Seamonkey Doc]

🙂

I don't quite look at it as a stable six figures. Given the market conditions right now I see the profession providing stable 6 figure salaries for the short term. Long term, anything could happen...that's why I'm going balls out after I graduate to pay my debts off.

I don't blame you. But dentistry makes good money (good being a relative term here) and even if it stops putting out a six figure salary, it's still going to put out a good amount. All the dentists I know say dentistry is not going sink anytime soon and it's a great profession even if you have to pay back loans (one of them went to an expensive school ~10 yrs ago and is still paying back loans but is happy).

I was wondering if anyone would object to my usage of "comfortably". But it is a relative term

 

[DavesNotHere]

I don't blame you. But dentistry makes good money (good being a relative term here) and even if it stops putting out a six figure salary, it's still going to put out a good amount. Even if you're not churning out $120,000 anymore, something like $80,000 isn't bad either.

I was wondering if anyone would object to my usage of "comfortably". But it is a relative term.

It won't go down to 80k...you guys have been on this forum too long.

And if you're worried just specialize. Pedo, omfs, endo, anes, ortho all do very well.

 

[Seamonkey Doc]

It won't go down to 80k...you guys have been on this forum too long.

And if you're worried just specialize. Pedo, omfs, endo, anes, ortho all do very well.

I took out the number in my edit, but I guess I was too late lol.

Yeah I don't think it'll go down that low either but some people are worried that it won't make as money in the future. So I initially thought of using a low number for dentistry to prove that it's still a decent amount of money compared to other professions

 

[timwatley]

I took out the number in my edit, but I guess I was too late lol.

Yeah I don't think it'll go down that low either but some people are worried that it won't make as money in the future. So I initially thought of using a low number for dentistry to prove that it's still a decent amount of money compared to other professions

I think that's smart, and definitely what I try to do. If I make low six figures for the rest of my life while being my own boss I'd be happy. But...I've got a travel bug and a fishing addiction. I might need a little more money to feed those.

 

[DentalJedi]

I think that's smart, and definitely what I try to do. If I make low six figures for the rest of my life while being my own boss I'd be happy. But...I've got a travel bug and a fishing addiction. I might need a little more money to feed those.

Same with me, except replace fishing with hunting, which can get expensive. I think the most important thing is to know what you're getting yourself into. I spoke with kids at interviews who said they were planning on taking out about 30k a year in loans so they could get big screen TVs and go on spring break trips. Don't do that. In the first few months after graduation save as much as you can for an emergency/rainy day fund. Then live within your means when you start paying back your loans, and you'll have that extra money if you ever need it. Don't buy ANYTHING extravagant for at least a year until you know what kind of budget you're working with, then adjust accordingly (while still living a little below your means).

Of course, if you're good at finances like Bereno and some others here, you don't need this advice. If you're clueless about it like me, just make sure you air on the side of caution.

 

[timwatley]

Same with me, except replace fishing with hunting, which can get expensive. I think the most important thing is to know what you're getting yourself into. I spoke with kids at interviews who said they were planning on taking out about 30k a year in loans so they could get big screen TVs and go on spring break trips. Don't do that. In the first few months after graduation save as much as you can for an emergency/rainy day fund. Then live within your means when you start paying back your loans, and you'll have that extra money if you ever need it. Don't buy ANYTHING extravagant for at least a year until you know what kind of budget you're working with, then adjust accordingly (while still living a little below your means).

Of course, if you're good at finances like Bereno and some others here, you don't need this advice. If you're clueless about it like me, just make sure you air on the side of caution.

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