DMU self-proclaimed super-geniuses of the third row

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IlizaRob said:
Was it glowing with a beakon of light shining on it from the heavens all while listening to soft angelic voices praising the row? Thats how it is for me evertime I set foot in that room.
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Yea, I could feel the aura surrounding me lol. Plus that was the nicest lecture hall I have ever seen!

The only bad thing I heard about DMU is with the older lecture halls where all the students cannot fit in one room (and its broadcasted to the next one). Dr. Schmidt was my basic science interviewer and he said the one thing he would about the school is that.
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IlizaRob said:
So does anyone know what happend to Dr. Feelgood? Did he and haffadoc both decide to stick it to the man and go on strike from posting anymore on SDN? Any help from the supergeniuses would be appreciated.

P.S. I think we get should the team from "Without a Trace" to solve this one. They always seem to figure things out at the last second.
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Feelgood is being discrete but I think he is still around. Haffadoc came out of hiding yesterday but said he is now going back into hiding!
 
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Can you guys fill me in on the 3rd year rotations at DMU? What locations do students treat patients for foot and ankle care? ( I am only specifically aware of the med tower but I know there are others). I heard about the internal med at broadlawns...is that a month in duration? I'm curious (or hoping) that the pod students are held to the same standard as the med students during this rotation (with call, duty, etc). Are there any other "medical" rotations during 3rd year? Is it something like one day of class and one full day of lecture, or broken up like class in the morning and lecture in the afternoon?


4th year...with the core rotation, what is the actual breakdown? (ie 1 month of general surgery, 1 month of podiatry, etc). For the 7 months of externships, do they HAVE to be solely podiatry rotations or could one do a rotation in ortho/vascular/general surgery, infectious disease, etc? One of the things I am really looking into is doing a rotation outside the states if possible. I heard of one temple pod student who scheduled his required ortho surgery rotation in belgium which sounds awesome (if available).

Any other info/thoughts on the DMU clinical years would be greatly appreciated!!! Thanks
 
JEWmongous said:
Can you guys fill me in on the 3rd year rotations at DMU? What locations do students treat patients for foot and ankle care? ( I am only specifically aware of the med tower but I know there are others). I heard about the internal med at broadlawns...is that a month in duration? I'm curious (or hoping) that the pod students are held to the same standard as the med students during this rotation (with call, duty, etc). Are there any other "medical" rotations during 3rd year? Is it something like one day of class and one full day of lecture, or broken up like class in the morning and lecture in the afternoon?


4th year...with the core rotation, what is the actual breakdown? (ie 1 month of general surgery, 1 month of podiatry, etc). For the 7 months of externships, do they HAVE to be solely podiatry rotations or could one do a rotation in ortho/vascular/general surgery, infectious disease, etc? One of the things I am really looking into is doing a rotation outside the states if possible. I heard of one temple pod student who scheduled his required ortho surgery rotation in belgium which sounds awesome (if available).

Any other info/thoughts on the DMU clinical years would be greatly appreciated!!! Thanks
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Rotations at DMU in the third year are currently at the Tower, BMC, DVA, Methodist Wound Care Center, Greenfield, Pella, and Boone (I think). You do internal medicine at the DVA and you rotate with a heart and vascular group at Methodist. You will see a lot of surgery at BMC and some with the doctors at the Tower. Formal classes in your third year end around Thanksgiving, and you will have mainly clinic the rest of the year. Each rotation you cover a topic in with the problem base learning "class." It is less of a class and more of small group discussion.

The 4th year is whatever you want. You must do 1 core rotation at the hospital of your choice (a few students set up new cores b/c they wanted to be at a certain place) and 1 month of private practice. The rest is up to you. If you want to do 1 externship and then 6 months of plastic surgery that is your choice. You can take up to 1 month of vacation also. I do think that there would be a problem going outside the US, you just need to have an affiliation agreement with the hospital. It may be harder to work out if you want to go to another country but if you start working on it at the end of your 2nd year, you might be able to do it. DMU has that new Global Health program which may help.
 
Thanks Dr. Feelgood, I appreciate the info. I am narrowed down between Scholl and DMU for pod school so I'm just trying to see which fits me best. The 4th year sounds pretty interesting in the fact you can do non-pod rotations as well. How does the school help you in setting these rotations up? The reason I'm asking is because I know of the regular pod externships through residency programs and the application you send in. But I was not sure how it works for medical rotations. If one wanted to do a vascular or ortho surgery rotation, would you be more or less considered a M4 and do everything that the other 4th year med students would do? Did you choose to do any rotations outside of podiatry?

Just last question, I understand the 4 month core is not just a pod rotation. Isn't there a month of internal medicine and a month of radiology?

Thanks again!
 
JEWmongous said:
Thanks Dr. Feelgood, I appreciate the info. I am narrowed down between Scholl and DMU for pod school so I'm just trying to see which fits me best. The 4th year sounds pretty interesting in the fact you can do non-pod rotations as well. How does the school help you in setting these rotations up? The reason I'm asking is because I know of the regular pod externships through residency programs and the application you send in. But I was not sure how it works for medical rotations. If one wanted to do a vascular or ortho surgery rotation, would you be more or less considered a M4 and do everything that the other 4th year med students would do? Did you choose to do any rotations outside of podiatry?

Just last question, I understand the 4 month core is not just a pod rotation. Isn't there a month of internal medicine and a month of radiology?

Thanks again!
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The core is whatever the hospital has you do. At my core, I do mainly podiatry and ortho.

As for how you set up the rotations, the hospital has doctors that commonly take DPMs. Do they prefer an MD or DO? Only if you don't hold your own, you won't do anything. So, yes, you are treated like an MD or DO. The best feeling is when you are out-performing other students (DPMs, DOs, and MDs) b/c the doctor is so confident in your skills that they allow you to do anything.

I was planning on doing an ER, anesthesia and an ortho rotation. That was at the beginning of this year, now I've changed my view. I'm a podiatrist and I don't care about doing a lot of outside rotations.

Both of the schools will prepare you well good luck on your decision.
 
We are still at Broadlawns this semester. I will see you there next month.
 
Any idea where DMUers are going to end up? I know no one wants to reveal their cards, but I am interested to see where those of us end up at. Any predictions on how many will scramble? I predict 25%. I am also wondering if our class ran out Julie Rose. Just wondering.
 
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Here are my guesses
4 West Penn
2 Oklahoma
2 Forest Park
2 DMC
1 Coon Rapids
1 Fort Dodge
1 Legacy
3 Utah
1 New Mexico
1 PSL
1 UPMC
1 Grant
1 Franciscian Way
1 Ft Bragg
1 Scott and White
1 HCMC
1 Regions
1 Jewish MC Louisville
1 North Chicago
2 North Shore

3-4 scramble (10%)

I'll leave the other 10 blank b/c most of those are guesses anyways.
 
Do you buy Smith's email about her leaving for personal reasons? I don't, but I don't know exactly why. I am out of the state and therefore have no idea what is going on at DMU. I think that 10% is too low for the number who will scramble. I think 20-25%. I know of a few people who think they are going to program A, but I know other people from other schools who have been "promised" that same program A. Just a thought.
 
FOOTIE said:
Do you buy Smith's email about her leaving for personal reasons? I don't, but I don't know exactly why. I am out of the state and therefore have no idea what is going on at DMU. I think that 10% is too low for the number who will scramble. I think 20-25%. I know of a few people who think they are going to program A, but I know other people from other schools who have been "promised" that same program A. Just a thought.
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The problem is 1) I don't trust many promises, 2) If person 1 was promised both program A and B, they can't have them both.
 
Dr_Feelgood said:
The problem is 1) I don't trust many promises, 2) If person 1 was promised both program A and B, they can't have them both.
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Feelgood,

I know a few people who all think they are going to the same place, when in reality only one can go (the program only takes 1). I like you don't trust promises. I have ideas and hopes about where I could end up, but of course nothing is guaranteed. I know where I am ranked at a few places, and it would take a lot of people going other places for me to end up there. Time tells all stories. I was just curious what peopl thought.

-FOOTIE
 
FOOTIE said:
Do you buy Smith's email about her leaving for personal reasons? I don't, but I don't know exactly why. I am out of the state and therefore have no idea what is going on at DMU. I think that 10% is too low for the number who will scramble. I think 20-25%. I know of a few people who think they are going to program A, but I know other people from other schools who have been "promised" that same program A. Just a thought.
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In my experience, the error is more often on the side of the student and not the program. I had a few people my year who claim they were told that they had programs and then didn't get them. But as it turned out, this was not the case. Generally, when a program tells you that you had a great month and that they are interested in you and would love to see you at CRIP doesn't mean that you have the program. It means that they liked you and that you are a prospect. A lot of times, students take comments like that as some type of offer. Then, they don't get the program and tell everyone that they were screwed.

I'm sure it does happen but more often than not, it is just the misconception of the student.
 
jonwill said:
In my experience, the error is more often on the side of the student and not the program. I had a few people my year who claim they were told that they had programs and then didn't get them. But as it turned out, this was not the case. Generally, when a program tells you that you had a great month and that they are interested in you and would love to see you at CRIP doesn't mean that you have the program. It means that they liked you and that you are a prospect. A lot of times, students take comments like that as some type of offer. Then, they don't get the program and tell everyone that they were screwed.

I'm sure it does happen but more often than not, it is just the misconception of the student.
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You are dead on with this and your whole statement.

Heck, I don't trust even the programs that said I was ranked. If I did I would be looking at houses. 😀
 
anybody else think part 2 was harder than expeted? My test was mostly pharm and biomechanics. yuk.
 
gustydoc said:
anybody else think part 2 was harder than expeted? My test was mostly pharm and biomechanics. yuk.
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I was shocked by part 2. I thought I prepared a lot, but I there were too many where I wasn't sure. Of course there were the easy ones, but there were a lot of ones I just stared at the screen for a while on. I hate all the radiology, biomechanics, and the "click the 3 that apply" ones.
 
FOOTIE said:
I was shocked by part 2. I thought I prepared a lot, but I there were too many where I wasn't sure. Of course there were the easy ones, but there were a lot of ones I just stared at the screen for a while on. I hate all the radiology, biomechanics, and the "click the 3 that apply" ones.
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It sounds similar to every year. The comment always seems to be, "Those were harder than I thought they would be." As long as you put in some decent study time, you probably passed.

I'm on vascular surgery right now and one of the fellows just took his oral surgical boards. He was freaking out because he was sure that he failed. However, he found out yesterday that he passed. My point is that a lot of fields have boards like that where you walk out convinced that you did horrible.

Just remember, you don't have to ace the boards, you just have to PASS them!
 
How did everyone do on boards? I honestly thought the test could have gone either way, but fortunately I survived. By the way you guys have got to try an externship in Hawaii. So far this has been the best month of my life.
 
gustydoc said:
How did everyone do on boards? I honestly thought the test could have gone either way, but fortunately I survived. By the way you guys have got to try an externship in Hawaii. So far this has been the best month of my life.
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Congrats on boards. Welcome back Hawaii boy! I did a PTT repair with a pegasus graft today skin-to-skin. You're going to love this program!
 
Jonwill and Gustydoc - what do you guys know about other Michigan residencies? Gusty has told me that Henry Ford is pretty good...are there others worth looking into that are known for their high surgical #'s?
 
GoldenGustie said:
Jonwill and Gustydoc - what do you guys know about other Michigan residencies? Gusty has told me that Henry Ford is pretty good...are there others worth looking into that are known for their high surgical #'s?
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I actually didn't know that Henry Ford had a program. The main hospital is not too far from DMC downtown. After looking at CASPR, Henry Ford Wyndotte has a program which I know nothing about. Also, St. Joes Mercy Macomb was bought out by Henry Ford and is now Henry Ford Macomb. It is a fairly new program and still experiencing some growing pains. However, they just got approval for PM&S-36.

As far as local programs, I have friends at Harrison Township and Henry Ford Macomb that seem pretty happy. But it's really hard to comment on program numbers unless you're actually there and ask residents to show you there numbers (which I recommend doing your 4th year when evaluating a program). I also recommend watching the senior residents do surgery since they are the "end result" of the program. If the senior residents are not competent/confident at the head of the table, that is a huge red flag.

Anyway, concerning programs/numbers, I only know what attendings that scrub at various hospitals tell me about other residents they scrub with (from other programs). And since you never know what their motivations are, I wouldn't feel comfortable commenting on them!
 
Hey Jonwill, where do you guys all reside up there in Detroit? Do you live outside of the city or are you right down in the action? I think the program at DMC sounds terrific, but I just don't think I could get myself to look past the type of area that it is known to be. I guess you would see that no matter what big city you go to though...just a little curious about the living conditions
 
GoldenGustie said:
Hey Jonwill, where do you guys all reside up there in Detroit? Do you live outside of the city or are you right down in the action? I think the program at DMC sounds terrific, but I just don't think I could get myself to look past the type of area that it is known to be. I guess you would see that no matter what big city you go to though...just a little curious about the living conditions
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I thought the same thing until I came up this way but once I saw that it was fine and the program was phenominal, I was hooked. The thing you have to realize is DMC is not a single hospital, it is a healthcare system. It is a network of many hospitals and surgical centers. DMC downtown is actually Wayne State U so it is a college type atmosphere. Once you get into the surrounding area of Wayne State though, it is a craphole. Sinai-Grace Hospital is no doubt on the edge of one of the most dangerous neighborhoods in the country. But I get off the freeway and drive directly into the physicians parking so it's not like I spend a lot of time driving the neighborhood! As you can imagine, those hospitals are where we get a lot of trauma and infectious disease. The other 5 hospitals/surgery centers are in really nice suburbs and are where we get tons of the elective stuff. This is what affords us such well-rounded training in high numbers. For instance, today my cases were 1) endoscopic plantar fasciotomy, 2) osteochondral defect repair of the talar dome with a medial malleolar osteotomy (find a program where first years are doing that one), and 3) incision and drainage of an abcess.

As far as living here, it is fine. My wife, three kids, and I live in a very nice suburb called Madison Heights. All of the burbs are really nice and safe. That is where nearly all of the residents live.

So don't be discouraged from visiting any of the programs up here. Sure, there are places you don't want to (and never will) go but most of the metro area is really nice.
 
I just returned from looking for ahouse in the detroit burbs and there a lot of nice areas within a reasonable distance to the hospitals. If you visit as a student you will get a good idea how nice most of the areas are.
 
Just to let first year students know that it is very hard to sit in the third row with all the DO's! A couple of us tried it last year but ended up towards the back with much less hassle. Hopefully this year when systems start we can start the super geniuses of the 3rd row again. As a second year student, when is good time to start concerning yourself with residencies and which ones fit your style?
 
SportDPM said:
Just to let first year students know that it is very hard to sit in the third row with all the DO's! A couple of us tried it last year but ended up towards the back with much less hassle. Hopefully this year when systems start we can start the super geniuses of the 3rd row again. As a second year student, when is good time to start concerning yourself with residencies and which ones fit your style?
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You should start familiarizing yourself with residency programs NOW! Spend the 2nd year looking at all available programs on the CRIP website and as the 4th years come and go, you'll be amazed at how many visit the programs that you are interested in. Also, many will show up for the residency fair and throughout the year. Before you know it, 3rd year will be here and you'll be setting up rotations and cores. The more you know about what you want, the better.

The biggest mistake I've seen people make is not do enough research about programs or they start late and run out of time. They randomly pick programs and their 4th year is spent at programs that they don't like and they ultimately end up scrambling. My advice is get started now.

At the beginning of my 2nd year, I made a list of 25-30 programs that I thought I would be interested in. As the year went by, the list got smaller and smaller. By beginning of my 3rd year, I had the list down to 8-10 solid programs. It made setting up my 4th year and ultimately getting what I wanted for residency much easier. Just my $0.02.
 
Thanks, that sounds like a really good idea. I started looking at residencies on the website, but i will start making a list this next week while I don't have school yet.
 
jonwill said:
You should start familiarizing yourself with residency programs NOW! Spend the 2nd year looking at all available programs on the CRIP website and as the 4th years come and go, you'll be amazed at how many visit the programs that you are interested in. Also, many will show up for the residency fair and throughout the year. Before you know it, 3rd year will be here and you'll be setting up rotations and cores. The more you know about what you want, the better.

The biggest mistake I've seen people make is not do enough research about programs or they start late and run out of time. They randomly pick programs and their 4th year is spent at programs that they don't like and they ultimately end up scrambling. My advice is get started now.

At the beginning of my 2nd year, I made a list of 25-30 programs that I thought I would be interested in. As the year went by, the list got smaller and smaller. By beginning of my 3rd year, I had the list down to 8-10 solid programs. It made setting up my 4th year and ultimately getting what I wanted for residency much easier. Just my $0.02.
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DMU isn't having a residency fair this year. They're going to try and get programs to come out monthly and give a talk and what not, but no official gathering of programs at once.
 
densmore22 said:
DMU isn't having a residency fair this year. They're going to try and get programs to come out monthly and give a talk and what not, but no official gathering of programs at once.
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I think that is a much better plan. It is much less overloading for students and a lot easier for programs as well.
 
IlizaRob said:
What's up brotha? Long time no text. I've been stuck in medicine this month so I havent been able to get much sleep. Keep it real in Ditrizzzoit.
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Rob lives! whats up man? they started you out on medicine? hope all is well down south. i am looking forward to my medicine rotation. not much sleep going on while on service up here.
 
Started Med Pharmacology yesterday and am happy to say that all of us 2011s at DMU are officially 2nd years. First-year was tough and I am glad it is over...now looking forward to learning some more clinically important information while reviewing the older stuff. One year closer to working with patients!!!
 
GoldenGustie said:
Started Med Pharmacology yesterday and am happy to say that all of us 2011s at DMU are officially 2nd years. First-year was tough and I am glad it is over...now looking forward to learning some more clinically important information while reviewing the older stuff. One year closer to working with patients!!!
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Welcome to LH 3!!!
 
It's pretty sweet how they feed the audio and video from LH2 into LH3 so you can sit back and relax...but we've been able to take back the 3rd row!
 
us first years get our kick ass computers today 🙄
 
How long did it take to get part I board scores? It's 4 weeks today, I know they're already processed b/c people in my class have called and that's what they told them. Send them out already!!!
 
Just read a statement in the DMU Magazine that all 2008 DMU grads got 3-year surgical residencies. Granted that even though not all 3-yr programs are equal, it is still awesome to see the college's success! Just another reason I have never regretted coming to DMU! 😀
 
jonwill said:
Yea whatever. I'm sitting here putting ex-fixes on pilons while you're working on your sun tan:laugh::laugh::laugh:
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Hey, I read somewhere that statistically pts are more likely to come to your office because of your sun tan rather than your pilon fracture skills. Besides, havent you seen my my name? Im the father of ex-fix. :laugh:
 
Apparently this thread is falling off the face of the Podiatry Forum. Too bad...just wanted to post to bring it back up.

2nd year is in full swing and its getting pretty exciting to sit in on the residency presentations and hear about all of the great programs around the nation...each one has their "niche" as one of the last presenters said. All I know is that I get more and more pumped for clinic each day! 😀
 
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