DO Match List Thread 2020

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Who would win in a fight?

  • The most competitive DO match year of all time

    Votes: 37 32.7%

  • A 5+ page discussion about the psychiatry match

    Votes: 76 67.3%
  • Total voters
    113
  • Poll closed .
Found the full PNWU match list: Match 2020 Public

Anesthesiology (3)
Rutgers – NJMS
University of Iowa
Brooke Army Med Center

Dermatology (1)
Campbell University

Emergency Med (20)
Merit Health Wesley
Memorial Health – OH
Carilion Clinic – Virginia Tech
Campbell University
University of Nebraska (x2)
Desert Regional
University of Utah
Christus Health
St Mary Mercy
Samaritan Health
Texas Tech
Western Michigan
Mountain State OPTI
University of Illinois
Midwestern University OPTI
University of Arizona
OHSU
St. Josephs Medical Center
St. Elizabeth Health Center

Family Medicine (47)
Wayne State
Campbell
Montana FM (x2)
Samaritan (NY)
Community Health Care (x2)
Ventura Country
Providence Health
Wright Center
Tacoma FM (x4)
Central Washington (x4)
University of Washington
Utah Valley Regional
Eastern Idaho Regional
FM of Idaho (x4)
Providence St Peter
Oklahoma State
Still OPTI
PeachHealth Southwest
Kadlec Regional
MultiCare Good Samaritan (x4)
Idaho State
Providence Hospital, AK
University of Montana (x3)
University of Illinois
Maine-Dartmouth
OHSU
Marian Regional
Samaritan Health Services
In His Image FM
Roseburg FM
Authority Health
University of Minnesota
Martin Army Community Hospital

Internal Medicine (36)
Midwestern OPTI
Virginia Mason
Skagit Regional (x2)
University of Florida
University of Arizona
UNLV (x2)
Summa Health/NEOMED
Loma Linda University
Providence Health (x2)
University of Texas HSC
University of California SF – Fresno
Providence Sacred Heart (x5)
HealthONE
University Hospitals Missouri
Legacy Emanuel
Trios Health
Boise VAMC (x2)
Santa Barbara Cottage Hospital
Mercy Medical Center
Franciscan Health Olympia Fields
University of New Mexico
Central Iowa Health
EIRMC Idaho Falls
Valley Hospital MC
HCA Houston
Campbell University
Brooke Army MC
Keesler Medical Center

Neurology (1)
HealthONE

OB/GYN (3)
Ascension Genesys
Oklahoma State
Ohio Health – Riverside

Orthopedic Surgery (2)
Community Memorial Health CA
University of North Dakota

Pathology (1)
University of Alabama

Pediatrics (8)
University of Kansas
University of New Mexico (x2)
University of Illinois (x2)
Medical College of Wisconsin
Phoenix Children’s Hospital
UNLV

Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation (1)
Mayo Clinic

Psychiatry (5)
Vanderbilt
UNLV
Samaritan Health
Prisma Health/USC
University of Iowa

Radiology (2)
Franciscan Health Olympia Fields
Providence Sacred Heart

Gen Surgery (6)
Campbell University
Kettering Health
St. Josephs Hospital
University of Kansas
Franciscan Health
OHSU (Prelim)

Transitional Year (5)
Sunrise Health
HCA Healthcare/USF
Kaweah Delta Health
Nazareth Hospital
Inspira Health

Urology (1)
Detroit Medical Center
 
Lol so apparently the point of the merger was because mds were going unmatched over DOs matching so they threatened DO residencies with no fellowships and looks like it backfired if they wanted to limit the ceiling on DOs. If Jurassic Park taught us anything is that life can not be contained, it continuously breaks boundaries.
Edit: there is even a branch in math called chaos theory behind this. Who knows how this p/f thing will play out. (Someone correct me if I’m wrong on the reasoning behind doing the merger in the first place.)
ritts said:
"we started feeling threatened by DOs so we made Step 1 pass/fail" -NBME (probably)
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Butters Stotch said:
Lol so apparently the point of the merger was because mds were going unmatched over DOs matching so they threatened DO residencies with no fellowships and looks like it backfired if they wanted to limit the ceiling on DOs. If Jurassic Park taught us anything is that life can not be contained, it continuously breaks boundaries.
Edit: there is even a branch in math called chaos theory behind this. Who knows how this p/f thing will play out. (Someone correct me if I’m wrong on the reasoning behind doing the merger in the first place.)
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Thats not really the reason. The federal gov basically said we are not funding 2 separate accrediting bodies anymore so figure it out. ACGME then strong armed the AOA with threatening fellowships so they caved.
 
Dr.Bruh said:
Thats not really the reason. The federal gov basically said we are not funding 2 separate accrediting bodies anymore so figure it out. ACGME then strong armed the AOA with threatening fellowships so they caved.
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Oh okay glad I figured it out; I was told it was the reason I stated above
 
Dr.Bruh said:
Thats not really the reason. The federal gov basically said we are not funding 2 separate accrediting bodies anymore so figure it out. ACGME then strong armed the AOA with threatening fellowships so they caved.
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I'm not sure if there was any government intervention, but AOA residencies were going unfilled every year. As far as I can tell, the funding for those spots weren't being used by anyone.
 
ritts said:
"we started feeling threatened by DOs so we made Step 1 pass/fail" -NBME (probably)
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More like "We're getting pressure from all these annoying admins and faculty because no one cares about their BS wellness lectures and low yield PowerPoints so we'll make it pass/fail and use this as an opportunity to make more money and get them off our back" - the NBME
 
Butters Stotch said:
Lol so apparently the point of the merger was because mds were going unmatched over DOs matching so they threatened DO residencies with no fellowships and looks like it backfired if they wanted to limit the ceiling on DOs. If Jurassic Park taught us anything is that life can not be contained, it continuously breaks boundaries.
Edit: there is even a branch in math called chaos theory behind this. Who knows how this p/f thing will play out. (Someone correct me if I’m wrong on the reasoning behind doing the merger in the first place.)
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The reason behind why the ACGME really wanted to unify with the AOA is unknown but I would say it is multifactorial including what @Dr.Bruh stated. There was some hinting at the fact that AOA residency graduates going into ACGME fellowships were not performing well along with the fact that graduates of ACGME residencies were essentially "limited" to their own fellowships which was considered unfair.

At the initial proposal of this system the AOA said piss off and the ACGME then played the reversal card stating that should the AOA not accept their offer, that all AOA graduating residents would be barred from entering ACGME fellowship upon the finalization of the single accreditation system. So the AOA had "no choice" but to accept since rejecting would have been really caused a blow out in anyone being able to join ACGME fellowships.

There are still some specific preferences such as the neurosurgery board stating they will still not accept graduates for fellowship from previously AOA accredited programs along with other areas that you can take a gander to here: All Things ACGME/AOA Merger
 
AlteredScale said:
The reason behind why the ACGME really wanted to unify with the AOA is unknown but I would say it is multifactorial including what @Dr.Bruh stated. There was some hinting at the fact that AOA residency graduates going into ACGME fellowships were not performing well along with the fact that graduates of ACGME residencies were essentially "limited" to their own fellowships which was considered unfair.

At the initial proposal of this system the AOA said piss off and the ACGME then played the reversal card stating that should the AOA not accept their offer, that all AOA graduating residents would be barred from entering ACGME fellowship upon the finalization of the single accreditation system. So the AOA had "no choice" but to accept since rejecting would have been really caused a blow out in anyone being able to join ACGME fellowships.

There are still some specific preferences such as the neurosurgery board stating they will still not accept graduates for fellowship from previously AOA accredited programs along with other areas that you can take a gander to here: All Things ACGME/AOA Merger
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The actual response I ever so needed
 
imbesrs said:
this needs to be the report for every school wow
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Oh, maybe that’s why other schools haven’t released their lists yet!

They’re adapting their ways to a more honest and transparent way of doing things...

I’m sure of it; in fact, I’m going to stand over here in the corner and hold my breath until It happens...
 
DPTinthemaking15 said:
If this has already been posted, my apologies. But here is VCOM 2020 match list:

Residency Match Locations | VCOM - The Edward Via College of Osteopathic Medicine

Select the column header to sort by location, specialty, type, city or state.
www.vcom.edu www.vcom.edu

Edit: Decided to post the link, list was ridiculously long and didn't want to force you folks to scroll that much lol.


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Neuro Surg at Mayo clinic jacksonville, so there is a DO preference there.
NVM JK (Edit: sorry that was for the class of 2019)
forums.studentdoctor.net

Mayo Clinic - DO preference?

I was looking at the match stats for TCOM and noticed a neurosurgery match at Mayo Clinic in Florida a couple years ago. As someone interested in the field of neurosurgery, I took a look at Mayo's program. Currently, they're only showing three of their current residents (not sure how many they...
forums.studentdoctor.net forums.studentdoctor.net
 
DrStephenStrange said:
Neuro Surg at Mayo clinic jacksonville, so there is a DO preference there.
NVM JK (Edit: sorry that was for the class of 2019)
forums.studentdoctor.net

Mayo Clinic - DO preference?

I was looking at the match stats for TCOM and noticed a neurosurgery match at Mayo Clinic in Florida a couple years ago. As someone interested in the field of neurosurgery, I took a look at Mayo's program. Currently, they're only showing three of their current residents (not sure how many they...
forums.studentdoctor.net forums.studentdoctor.net
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Yes! Even though it was from 2019, there was a pretty cool story about that student. I don’t remember all of the details but she was apparently a beast. She won some award for her research in Neuro, of course killed boards and her classes, and there were some other crazy details. I think this is the same student they talked about but VCOM was extremely proud of her.
 
pre_med_2020 said:
Thanks for the great resource! I was wondering if anyone has any unbiased advice they are willing to provide me. Anything is greatly appreciated. I was wondering how people would compare NSU's match list with VCOM Carolina's. I have an acceptance at NSU and an interview coming up at VCOM CC, and was wondering if it is even worth taking and how people compare the two schools?
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Go to the location you like more.
 
pre_med_2020 said:
Thanks for the great resource! I was wondering if anyone has any unbiased advice they are willing to provide me. Anything is greatly appreciated. I was wondering how people would compare NSU's match list with VCOM Carolina's. I have an acceptance at NSU and an interview coming up at VCOM CC, and was wondering if it is even worth taking and how people compare the two schools?
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comparing DO schools (especially through their match lists) is pretty pointless. A DO is a DO, though some have in-house residency programs (like NSU). Personally if it were my choice, I’d take Fort Lauderdale and in-house residency programs over the Carolinas, but you may have other priorities
 
pre_med_2020 said:
Thanks for the great resource! I was wondering if anyone has any unbiased advice they are willing to provide me. Anything is greatly appreciated. I was wondering how people would compare NSU's match list with VCOM Carolina's. I have an acceptance at NSU and an interview coming up at VCOM CC, and was wondering if it is even worth taking and how people compare the two schools?
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There are multiple sub forums in the pre Med section comparing one school to another. I disliked your comment as I don’t believe this is an appropriate place to ask this information. No need to send me multiple private messages asking why I disliked your comment.
 
pre_med_2020 said:
I have an acceptance at NSU and an interview coming up at VCOM CC, and was wondering if it is even worth taking and how people compare the two schools?
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this is not the fourm/thread for that. the interview is on zoom probably anyways what do you have to lose? If you have both A's only then can you compare.
 
Gen3ricDO said:
There are multiple sub forums in the pre Med section comparing one school to another. I disliked your comment as I don’t believe this is an appropriate place to ask this information. No need to send me multiple private messages asking why I disliked your comment.
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How do you dislike a comment?


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NOLADO84 said:
How do you dislike a comment?


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Hover over the like button just like on facebook (inb4: imagine still having a facebook HaHAA comments) and you can see like, heart eyes, laugh, etc.

pls thread back on topic now for psych is the new derm comments and match lists ,,, 2 many notifs
 
Gen3ricDO said:
There are multiple sub forums in the pre Med section comparing one school to another. I disliked your comment as I don’t believe this is an appropriate place to ask this information. No need to send me multiple private messages asking why I disliked your comment.
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You may be right but your negative energy is pretty up there, man.
 
Peach Newport said:
You may be right but your negative energy is pretty up there, man.
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Yeah I don’t want to be a bummer. I just didn’t like the message the poster sent me so instead of arguing over a private message I just posted my thought out in the open. Let’s bring some positive energy back to this DO match thread. I’m thoroughly impressed with the number of MD ortho spots I’m seeing. I thought it was impossible but almost every DO school has one
 
pre_med_2020 said:
Thanks for the great resource! I was wondering if anyone has any unbiased advice they are willing to provide me. Anything is greatly appreciated. I was wondering how people would compare NSU's match list with VCOM Carolina's. I have an acceptance at NSU and an interview coming up at VCOM CC, and was wondering if it is even worth taking and how people compare the two schools?
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Lol. Neither since step 1 will be pass/fail. If Step 2 becomes step 1 then they’re both indifferent.


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DNC127 said:
16 general surgery. Wow. nobody in my schools wants to touch GS with a 10 foot pole (Besides @anatomygrey lol) and then RVU has 10% of its class doing gen surg. Crazy to see the difference between schools and interest.
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Why do you think this is? I've heard GS is so competitive yet I too find so few (aside from myself) interested in it at my school.
 
Billroth_III said:
Why do you think this is? I've heard GS is so competitive yet I too find so few (aside from myself) interested in it at my school.
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Regular day-day Gen surg residency blows especially at the former AOA-DO community programs. The other surgical subspecialties are significantly more relaxed and provide a healthy learning environment.
 
risus_sardonicus said:
Regular day-day Gen surg residency blows especially at the former AOA-DO community programs. The other surgical subspecialties are significantly more relaxed and provide a healthy learning environment.
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I don’t think any surgical subspecialty has a “relaxed” residency.
 
risus_sardonicus said:
Regular day-day Gen surg residency blows especially at the former AOA-DO community programs. The other surgical subspecialties are significantly more relaxed and provide a healthy learning environment.
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Not really.

I suspect it's because it's not nearly as sexy as the surgical subs, and you can make more money in something more lifestyle friendly like radiology than gen surg. Pretty much you have to really love general surgery to do it, and I think a lot of DO students just aren't the type to love it.
 
DPTinthemaking15 said:
Yes! Even though it was from 2019, there was a pretty cool story about that student. I don’t remember all of the details but she was apparently a beast. She won some award for her research in Neuro, of course killed boards and her classes, and there were some other crazy details. I think this is the same student they talked about but VCOM was extremely proud of her.
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She was one of the smartest students ever at VCOM.
 
ChiTownBHawks said:
When I was doing a rotation winter year of fourth year there was a dude on my rotation who tried to argue with me that pediatric residents do adult rotations and still see adults (and not like an elective in adult congenital or something, like core part of residency..)

It was amazing lol
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Lol, no. Thank the Maker.

Speaking of peds, the peds advisor at my school tried to tell me (looking at my mediocre grades at the end of MS1) that I MIGHT have a fighting chance at a handful of less competitive places.

I hadn't even taken Step 1 yet!!!

Not to mention it's peds! Not neurosurgery.
 
Billroth_III said:
Why do you think this is? I've heard GS is so competitive yet I too find so few (aside from myself) interested in it at my school.
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Just getting a gen surg spot isn’t crazy competitive.

It’s because you have to LOVE the work, and LOVE to do it for 100 hours a week while receiving little prestige or praise. It isn’t like grays anatomy and TV shows make it out to be.
 
DNC127 said:
Just getting a gen surg spot isn’t crazy competitive.

It’s because you have to LOVE the work, and LOVE to do it for 100 hours a week while receiving little prestige or praise. It isn’t like grays anatomy and TV shows make it out to be.
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I thought surgeons were well respected and venerated at any hospital because they bring the big bucks.
 
AlteredScale said:
The reason behind why the ACGME really wanted to unify with the AOA is unknown but I would say it is multifactorial including what @Dr.Bruh stated. There was some hinting at the fact that AOA residency graduates going into ACGME fellowships were not performing well along with the fact that graduates of ACGME residencies were essentially "limited" to their own fellowships which was considered unfair.

At the initial proposal of this system the AOA said piss off and the ACGME then played the reversal card stating that should the AOA not accept their offer, that all AOA graduating residents would be barred from entering ACGME fellowship upon the finalization of the single accreditation system. So the AOA had "no choice" but to accept since rejecting would have been really caused a blow out in anyone being able to join ACGME fellowships.

There are still some specific preferences such as the neurosurgery board stating they will still not accept graduates for fellowship from previously AOA accredited programs along with other areas that you can take a gander to here: All Things ACGME/AOA Merger
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I would only edit this to say, that the AOA leadership and MOU members actually were for the merger initially, but at the annual meeting, people freaked out, especially those in Med School leadership or that headed up the OGMEs. That led to the "piss off" response. It was weird being a first year during all that mess.

There was a plan to establish the ACGME common requirements for years, but doing so would have hurt fellowships, so AOA and ACGME negotiated initially to postpone it (which happened), and then they negotiated the merger. After the AOA delegate meeting they backed out, and ACGME was like screw that, we're implementing the changes now then, which resulted in backlash from the other side of the AOA, and ultimately it went through.

I agree there were likely a ton of reasons why this happened. Many like you described, and many others. I will say that a lot of fellowship directors actually opposed the common requirements initially, because they saw it as limiting their access to DO applicants. Plenty of fellowships go empty every year, since most are not the hyper-competitive ones.
 
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