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[HalfListic]

Kk.

Honestly anyone that talks about religion in public is a jackass.

Talking about religion is talking about philosophy.

Philosophical discussions are great. If you feel that way, you just haven't had a good experience with it yet.

It takes two somewhat intelligent and respectful people to have a conversation about any philosophical topic.

Edit: granted, extremists are rough to talk to. But I don't think it's fair to generalize all of religion by the annoying members

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[Pigglyjuff]

Why is it atheists/agnostics, even the most humble, respectful, and caring, cannot talk about religion to religious person without offending them? It's like saying you prefer logic and reason over the person's belief, and the believer thinks you're saying their dumb, illogical, and unreasonable?

 

[411309]

Why is it atheists/agnostics, even the most humble, respectful, and caring, cannot talk about religion to religious person without offending them? It's like saying you prefer logic and reason over the person's belief, and the believer thinks you're saying their dumb, illogical, and unreasonable?

I loled at this. wheres all the humble/respectful ones at? not many.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

Talking about religion is talking about philosophy.

Philosophical discussions are great. If you feel that way, you just haven't had a good experience with it yet.

It takes two somewhat intelligent and respectful people to have a conversation about any philosophical topic.

Edit: granted, extremists are rough to talk to. But I don't think it's fair to generalize all of religion by the annoying members

No, I've just reached my quota on philosophical arguments and topics for this month. I want a break.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

I loled at this. wheres all the humble/respectful ones at? not many.

Statistically more than theists. Kbye.



Honestly, I'm respectful of a person's beliefs, I will never discriminate against you for having beliefs. However I will never be politically correct in denying that the belief systems are nothing but a method of systematically devaluation humans outside of their respective in group and the amalgamation of non-relatives in a society that is above the level of a Chiefdom.

 

[Pigglyjuff]

However I will never be politically correct in denying that the belief systems are nothing but a method of systematically devaluation humans outside of their respective in group and the amalgamation of non-relatives in a society that is above the level of a Chiefdom.

Is this was the opening sentence of a verbal passage...

 

[HalfListic]

Statistically more than theists. Kbye.



Honestly, I'm respectful of a person's beliefs, I will never discriminate against you for having beliefs. However I will never be politically correct in denying that the belief systems are nothing but a method of systematically devaluation humans outside of their respective in group and the amalgamation of non-relatives in a society that is above the level of a Chiefdom.

Yeah, in person, all of my theist, atheist, and agnostic friends (no Wiccan friends yet, I'm open for applications though, if any are out there) are all pretty respectful of each other. Online, most people are intolerant a-holes, on all sides.

But, if theist can't see why atheist have a hard time believing in God and Religion, they are lying to themselves. It's easy to see the idiots of religions and to see its many faults...and it's difficult to have faith, especially the more educated you are. But that's not to say that the religious are ignorant, or that atheists are more educated. There are bone heads and geniuses in both camps.

But, if atheists can't see the value of religion, they are being closed minded and have generalized way to broadly. Most churches are great, community centered organizations of socializing and charity. Church's do more humanitarian work than another group and people with religion live longer, statistically. So good religion has its place in society.

 

[Pigglyjuff]

My Christian friends get mad at me when I refuse to believe women came from a man's rib.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

Yeah, in person, all of my theist, atheist, and agnostic friends (no Wiccan friends yet, I'm open for applications though, if any are out there) are all pretty respectful of each other. Online, most people are intolerant a-holes, on all sides.

But, if theist can't see why atheist have a hard time believing in God and Religion, they are lying to themselves. It's easy to see the idiots of religions and to see its many faults...and it's difficult to have faith, especially the more educated you are. But that's not to say that the religious are ignorant, or that atheists are more educated. There are bone heads and geniuses in both camps.

But, if atheists can't see the value of religion, they are being closed minded and have generalized way to broadly. Most churches are great, community centered organizations of socializing and charity. Church's do more humanitarian work than another group and people with religion live longer, statistically. So good religion has its place in society.

Religion has values, especially if approached with a mind that understands that there is a context to all things. Regardless, the internet is a place where people feel less inhibition and trust me it's brought me to dislike a lot of atheists and a lot of theists. I mean, I just can't stand the jackassary and bad logic... I mean these arguments these people use have so many holes that and with such sureness it leaves me wanting to drink heavily.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

My Christian friends get mad at me when I refuse to believe women came from a man's rib.

For many theists simply disagreeing and explaining logically why is enough for them to feel like they're not only attack but to generalize that your intent was malicious and in fact a form of persecution. But that's what happens when you're view of the world is build up on faith based assumptions.

No offense to theists btw. But there are some within your ranks that are very sensitive.

 

[thecgrblue]

My Christian friends get mad at me when I refuse to believe women came from a man's rib.

They get mad when other Christians don't believe it either.

 

[Mr Kenobi]

 

[st2205]

Statistically more than theists. Kbye.



Honestly, I'm respectful of a person's beliefs, I will never discriminate against you for having beliefs. However I will never be politically correct in denying that the belief systems are nothing but a method of systematically devaluation humans outside of their respective in group and the amalgamation of non-relatives in a society that is above the level of a Chiefdom.

And you are free to discuss that subject with a friend while you're both in public. Here's an additional list of things you can feel free to talk to your friend about in public:

How your cat mittens always falls asleep on your pillow
How your uncle just had a prostatectomy
Why you think Ron Paul is going to win the general election on write-in votes
How you got drunk at the club last night and slept with someone who told you about their grandkids
How your 4th grade math teacher was a jackass who later got arrested for fraud
How you proposed to your girlfriend at the midnight showing of Twilight
How pissed you were that Joe replaced Steve on Blue's Clues
How much you hate people that talk about the Bible in public
How annoyed you are with people wearing crosses or yamakas
How you thought Charlton Heston's acting in The Ten Commandments was the straw that broke the camel's back on you going from atheism to Christian Scientist
Why you think Obama and Bush are both Illuminatti members
How you think the existence of Richard Dawkins is a paradox in that there is a god and He is it
Etc., etc., etc.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

And you are free to discuss that subject with a friend while you're both in public. Here's an additional list of things you can feel free to talk to your friend about in public:

How your cat mittens always falls asleep on your pillow
How your uncle just had a prostatectomy
Why you think Ron Paul is going to win the general election on write-in votes
How you got drunk at the club last night and slept with someone who told you about their grandkids
How your 4th grade math teacher was a jackass who later got arrested for fraud
How you proposed to your girlfriend at the midnight showing of Twilight
How pissed you were that Joe replaced Steve on Blue's Clues
How much you hate people that talk about the Bible in public
How annoyed you are with people wearing crosses or yamakas
How you thought Charlton Heston's acting in The Ten Commandments was the straw that broke the camel's back on you going from atheism to Christian Scientist
Why you think Obama and Bush are both Illuminatti members
How you think the existence of Richard Dawkins is a paradox in that there is a god and He is it
Etc., etc., etc.

I disagree with a majority of these things.

 

[st2205]

I disagree with a majority of these things.

That you may. But you're free to discuss them with a friend in a public place, along with a myriad of other issues that you may agree more or less with and not have to worry that you're trampling on the rights of some random eavesdropper.

 

[xXIDaShizIXx]

I loled at this. wheres all the humble/respectful ones at? not many.

Not many Christian (or any other monotheistic religion) ones either.

 

[Pigglyjuff]

Not many Christian (or any other monotheistic religion) ones either.

 

[WorriedDO]

And you are free to discuss that subject with a friend while you're both in public. Here's an additional list of things you can feel free to talk to your friend about in public:

How your cat mittens always falls asleep on your pillow
How your uncle just had a prostatectomy
Why you think Ron Paul is going to win the general election on write-in votes
How you got drunk at the club last night and slept with someone who told you about their grandkids
How your 4th grade math teacher was a jackass who later got arrested for fraud
How you proposed to your girlfriend at the midnight showing of Twilight
How pissed you were that Joe replaced Steve on Blue's Clues
How much you hate people that talk about the Bible in public
How annoyed you are with people wearing crosses or yamakas
How you thought Charlton Heston's acting in The Ten Commandments was the straw that broke the camel's back on you going from atheism to Christian Scientist
Why you think Obama and Bush are both Illuminatti members
How you think the existence of Richard Dawkins is a paradox in that there is a god and He is it
Etc., etc., etc.

If someone is an Atheist why do they care if someone else talks about religion in public? If, as Atheist claim there is no God, wouldn't hearing Christians/Catholics/Muslims/College Hippie Cults talk about God be like hearing children talk about Santa Clause? Or hearing girls talk about meeting mr. right? If it makes someone happy then why ruin it? If you want to be a physician YOU need to be able to TOLERATE people, not the other way around. Along those lines, a religious medical school is there to teach you how to heal your fellow man. As a pre med that's why you should want to go there, because you want to help others. If the one thing you disagree with a religious medical school about is the existence of God(which should be s trivial issue if you're an Atheist), then you have your priorities screwed up. To answer original poster's question: there are quite a few religious Osteopathic medical schools and you should apply to them.

 

[impact2d]

I agree. I am a serious practicing Christian and not private about my beliefs, but accepting of others. I spent years with a gay atheist lab partner, we requested to work together every semester. I don't need to agree with a person to respect them, I'm pretty sure that's what my church teaches. He sometimes talked about a great atheist book or accidentally made a derogatory comment in front of me. I let it slide and don't call college a Christian bashing gay hippie society just because I overhear something that conflicts with my belief. In fact when him and his atheist friends get together they can be fairly outspoken about religion being stupid, and as long as it wasn't intentionally directed at me I let it slide. I don't see how talking about bible study is overtly religious, if you believe in God you talk about God, if you don't, you don't. Also, many atheists go around discussing atheist figureheads. There are even atheist evangelism billboards around NY.

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[Drrrrrr. Celty]

I dislike when people tell me their views of the world. It bores me as people are unfounded and ill devised opinions usually.
That being said, it's usually the content of those conversations that unsettles atheists. From voicing women's inferiority to rationalizing war to talking about how god would support capitalism or etc.
It'd be nice if it were like Santa, but these people's beliefs are the platform for politics and the way the nation is run. It informs you of what is to come.

Anyway, I don't think many atheists are intolerant of their patient's views. Especially given that certain fields are very touchy and emotional and dominated by staunch atheists ( psychiatry - 70%+). However my tolereance of their religion doesn't mean I'm going to agree with it or consider it any less stupid and potentially dangerous.

 

[touchpause13]

+1

 

[HalfListic]

I dislike when people tell me their views of the world. It bores me as people are unfounded and ill devised opinions usually.
That being said, it's usually the content of those conversations that unsettles atheists. From voicing women's inferiority to rationalizing war to talking about how god would support capitalism or etc.
It'd be nice if it were like Santa, but these people's beliefs are the platform for politics and the way the nation is run. It informs you of what is to come.

Anyway, I don't think many atheists are intolerant of their patient's views. Especially given that certain fields are very touchy and emotional and dominated by staunch atheists ( psychiatry - 70%+). However my tolereance of their religion doesn't mean I'm going to agree with it or consider it any less stupid and potentially dangerous.

You're talking about the misuse of religion. Thats a totally different story.


This argument is like saying you don't like medicine because of all the unnecessary surgery & misdiagnosis. You don't like water because of water boarding. You don't like club organizations because of gangs...


People can misuse anything, but that doesn't make it less valid.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

You're talking about the misuse of religion. Thats a totally different story.


This argument is like saying you don't like medicine because of all the unnecessary surgery & misdiagnosis. You don't like water because of water boarding. You don't like club organizations because of gangs...


People can misuse anything, but that doesn't make it less valid.

No, I'm just voicing what may make atheists not want to hear other people talk about their religion in public. I made my reason clear, I simply do not usually enjoy hearing other people's ill formed views in general from politics to philosophy to religion. This really can apply to atheists as well, as I do many a time find many atheists to be insufferable with their cliche arguments and topics that have as much logically validity as the beliefs they are criticizing.
That being said, when someone voices a well thought out and developed opinion with socio-historical evidence to back it up, then I usually have little issue with that. Point being is, I take offense to bad logic.

 

[Pigglyjuff]

An atheist liberal pacifist democrat evolutionist muslim feminist socialist gay jew communist catholic unionist abortionist professor (and a member of the ACLU and NAACP) was bitching at a college class and she told the class that she was a strong independent menstruating womyn and she was going to prove that there is no GOD (peace be upon him). She screamed, "GAWD, if you are real, then I want you to knock me off this platform. I'll give you 15 human minutes, and I'm glad all those people died on 9/11! Also all men are rapists and I have abortions for fun."

Ten earthling minutes went by. She kept taunting God (peace be upon him), saying, "Here I am, GAWD, if that is your real name. I'm still waiting. Is my strong, powerful, and financially independent vagina too much for your patriarchy? You stupid man!"

She got down to the last couple of minutes and a brave, patriotic, pro-life marine just returned from the War of Independence and honorably discharged and newly registered in every class backflipped up to the professor, hit her full force in the face with a spinning flying drop kick (with metal jet-boots on), and sent her flying from her platform through two panes of glass, two twin towers, a pile of cans, a young mother pushing a baby carriage, a nun and a pile of boxes. The professor struggled up, obviously shaken, not stirred, with three broken legs, two broken arms, a broken jaw, a broken skull, 12 broken ribs, internal bleeding and a missing spine. She bitched, "What's the matter with you? Why did you do that? Are you afraid of a strong beautiful negro womyn? I only worship my vagina!"

That marine replied, "GOD (peace be upon him) was busy watching over MY buddies engaged in combat in the coke wars (Never forget). So… he… sent… ME!"

The professor cried a single tear and said "I was wrong to want equal rights for homosexuals, women and minorities. Barry Hussain Osama is a Muslim socialist atheist and he hates America. I am now pro-life, pro-guns, and pro-capital punishment". The professor then burnt her copy of Origin of the Species, shaved her legs, put her bra back on, and started to make the marine a sandwich. "If Trayvon Martin didn't want to die he should not have been wearing a hoodie!"

"Welcome to the Republican Party" Said the Marine.

The students applauded and all registered with the Republican party directly to God himself that day and accepted Jesus as their lord and savior. An eagle named "Small Government" flew into the room and perched atop the American Flag (where it shed a single tear).

That professor was Richard Elizabeth Dawkins. That college class was The Beatles. That young mother was Sarah Palin.

 

[abolt18]

The students applauded and all registered with the Republican party directly to God himself that day and accepted Jesus as their lord and savior. An eagle named “Small Government” flew into the room and perched atop the American Flag (where it shed a single tear).

I think I associate myself most with the eagle...

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

An atheist liberal pacifist democrat evolutionist muslim feminist socialist gay jew communist catholic unionist abortionist professor (and a member of the ACLU and NAACP) was bitching at a college class and she told the class that she was a strong independent menstruating womyn and she was going to prove that there is no GOD (peace be upon him). She screamed, “GAWD, if you are real, then I want you to knock me off this platform. I’ll give you 15 human minutes, and I’m glad all those people died on 9/11! Also all men are rapists and I have abortions for fun.”

Ten earthling minutes went by. She kept taunting God (peace be upon him), saying, “Here I am, GAWD, if that is your real name. I’m still waiting. Is my strong, powerful, and financially independent vagina too much for your patriarchy? You stupid man!”

She got down to the last couple of minutes and a brave, patriotic, pro-life marine just returned from the War of Independence and honorably discharged and newly registered in every class backflipped up to the professor, hit her full force in the face with a spinning flying drop kick (with metal jet-boots on), and sent her flying from her platform through two panes of glass, two twin towers, a pile of cans, a young mother pushing a baby carriage, a nun and a pile of boxes. The professor struggled up, obviously shaken, not stirred, with three broken legs, two broken arms, a broken jaw, a broken skull, 12 broken ribs, internal bleeding and a missing spine. She bitched, “What’s the matter with you? Why did you do that? Are you afraid of a strong beautiful negro womyn? I only worship my vagina!”

That marine replied, “GOD (peace be upon him) was busy watching over MY buddies engaged in combat in the coke wars (Never forget). So… he… sent… ME!”

The professor cried a single tear and said “I was wrong to want equal rights for homosexuals, women and minorities. Barry Hussain Osama is a Muslim socialist atheist and he hates America. I am now pro-life, pro-guns, and pro-capital punishment”. The professor then burnt her copy of Origin of the Species, shaved her legs, put her bra back on, and started to make the marine a sandwich. “If Trayvon Martin didn’t want to die he should not have been wearing a hoodie!”

“Welcome to the Republican Party” Said the Marine.

The students applauded and all registered with the Republican party directly to God himself that day and accepted Jesus as their lord and savior. An eagle named “Small Government” flew into the room and perched atop the American Flag (where it shed a single tear).

That professor was Richard Elizabeth Dawkins. That college class was The Beatles. That young mother was Sarah Palin.

Good lord, I think I just died.

 

[Pigglyjuff]

Good lord, I think I just died.

In what way?

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

In what way?

In the gracefully ascending to heaven way.

 

[HalfListic]

No, I'm just voicing what may make atheists not want to hear other people talk about their religion in public. I made my reason clear, I simply do not usually enjoy hearing other people's ill formed views in general from politics to philosophy to religion. This really can apply to atheists as well, as I do many a time find many atheists to be insufferable with their cliche arguments and topics that have as much logically validity as the beliefs they are criticizing.
That being said, when someone voices a well thought out and developed opinion with socio-historical evidence to back it up, then I usually have little issue with that. Point being is, I take offense to bad logic.

I can agree with this easily.


And i see you agree that you aren't speaking out against religion, but against poor logic...

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

I can agree with this easily.


And i see you agree that you aren't speaking out against religion, but against poor logic...

Well it's coincidental however that many religious people haven't thought their beliefs through and are easily played. Likewise there are plenty of libertarians, democrats, atheists, etc. that have bad logic have not thought through their beliefs ands ideologies.

 

[HalfListic]

Well it's coincidental however that many religious people haven't thought their beliefs through and are easily played. Likewise there are plenty of libertarians, democrats, atheists, etc. that have bad logic have not thought through their beliefs ands ideologies.

Yep, so the argument boils down to 'there are a lot of ignorant people'

This is how most anti-religion(or anti-anything) arguments end. Generalities generally don't stick

 

[Dannyw]

Love that gif.

...and there is no god.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

Yep, so the argument boils down to 'there are a lot of ignorant people'

This is how most anti-religion(or anti-anything) arguments end. Generalities generally don't stick

Statistics do however.

 

[HalfListic]

Statistics do however.

1- no they dont. They're the most manipulated tool in history. only correct stats stick

2- what stats are you referring to... I might agree with you, depending on what you're talking about

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

1- no they dont. They're the most manipulated tool in history. only correct stats stick

2- what stats are you referring to... I might agree with you, depending on what you're talking about

Religious people score higher on the just world scale and on average are less represented in higher education and science. They also tend to look at the world very black and white as opposed to non-religious persons. Generally relgious people on average are bigger victims of heuristic thinking and bad logic.

 

[Pigglyjuff]

Although IQ may not be the best parameter, but:

 

[st2205]

Religious people score higher on the just world scale and on average are less represented in higher education and science. They also tend to look at the world very black and white as opposed to non-religious persons. Generally relgious people on average are bigger victims of heuristic thinking and bad logic.

When you say 'religious people' how exactly do you define that and do you have data on said group being more black and white and by what methods? If religious folk are less represented in higher education and science, what is this a measurement of?

 

[HalfListic]

Religious people score higher on the just world scale and on average are less represented in higher education and science. They also tend to look at the world very black and white as opposed to non-religious persons. Generally relgious people on average are bigger victims of heuristic thinking and bad logic.

Yep, it's true. But it seems you realize already that this has nothing to do with (good) religion. Most people who suffer from the above also have no clue what their religion really is either.

But, when you take all else away, logical people are logical people. Some are religious, some not.

 

[HalfListic]

Although IQ may not be the best parameter, but:

It's not for various reasons. Most Religions involve humility, and so it's obvious that as IQ increases, fewer people will retain humility.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

It's not for various reasons. Most Religions involve humility, and so it's obvious that as IQ increases, fewer people will retain humility.

I don't get it.....
It's a correlation between someone checking percent religiosity and then preforming an IQ test afterward. Where does humility come into play here?

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

When you say 'religious people' how exactly do you define that and do you have data on said group being more black and white and by what methods? If religious folk are less represented in higher education and science, what is this a measurement of?

There's likely a standard procedure within this that has been decided to be well defined. The black and white is obtained from Just-World scale which is a very well researched scale. If religious folks are less represented in higher education it's not a measure of anything, it's a correlation showing a relationship between two factors. You can extract from this what you want, I would say this means that non-religious persons on average are likely going to possess better logic and thinking skills.

 

[ur2l8]

http://www.gallup.com/poll/155003/hold-creationist-view-human-origins.aspx

46% of Americans

Christianity does not refute evolution-or at least catholicism doesnt

 

[HM3]

yet you still read SDN threads

Win.

 

[HalfListic]

I don't get it.....
It's a correlation between someone checking percent religiosity and then preforming an IQ test afterward. Where does humility come into play here?

Order doesn't matter btw.


But to answer your question: This was an image that showed a negative correlation between a person's IQ and the importance of religion to them. Its obvious that the point was to say that its less intelligent to place importance in religion. (which is why someone would bring it up in this forum...not just an fyi graph )

This would be a false conclusion because there are far to many competing factors that bias a "study" such as this. One factor is the need for humility in religion. As IQ goes up, humility goes down on average. Other factors include, socio-economic status, education level, etc.

So, when someone posts an obviously flawed graphic, it must be destroyed! haha...But really, this is another good example of what I was saying earlier about statistics being abused.

 

[HalfListic]

Christianity does not refute evolution-or at least catholicism doesnt

+1

Nor do the LDS and many others.




A major problem here is that you can never say Religious people ____________. There are far too many religions to group them all together. Its unfair to judge religion on the uneducated populations, the extremists, or the socially secluded.

 

[HM3]

Order doesn't matter btw.


But to answer your question: This was an image that showed a negative correlation between a person's IQ and the importance of religion to them. Its obvious that the point was to say that its less intelligent to place importance in religion. (which is why someone would bring it up in this forum...not just an fyi graph )

This would be a false conclusion because there are far to many competing factors that bias a "study" such as this. One factor is the need for humility in religion. As IQ goes up, humility goes down on average. Other factors include, socio-economic status, education level, etc.

So, when someone posts an obviously flawed graphic, it must be destroyed! haha...But really, this is another good example of what I was saying earlier about statistics being abused.

You have a link to the study?

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

Order doesn't matter btw.


But to answer your question: This was an image that showed a negative correlation between a person's IQ and the importance of religion to them. Its obvious that the point was to say that its less intelligent to place importance in religion. (which is why someone would bring it up in this forum...not just an fyi graph )

This would be a false conclusion because there are far to many competing factors that bias a "study" such as this. One factor is the need for humility in religion. As IQ goes up, humility goes down on average. Other factors include, socio-economic status, education level, etc.

So, when someone posts an obviously flawed graphic, it must be destroyed! haha...But really, this is another good example of what I was saying earlier about statistics being abused.

No... I've actually run an study like this before. You ask them a set scale of questions regarding religiosity they check them ( They are veiled and reverse scored to make sure everything is good), then you provide an IQ test. So no, this graph has no issues, it's saying that people who put more importance on religion in their life scored lower on IQ tests than those who put less.

 

[HalfListic]

No... I've actually run an study like this before. You ask them a set scale of questions regarding religiosity they check them ( They are veiled and reverse scored to make sure everything is good), then you provide an IQ test. So no, this graph has no issues, it's saying that people who put more importance on religion in their life scored lower on IQ tests than those who put less.

Nein nein. Order doesn't matter. You could have tested them before or after with not change in outcome. But this point also doesn't matter.

The graph reads just fine...its the conclusions that matter.


What are your conclusions then? Are they different than what I just disproved. Because I'd be very surprised if you came up with anything worthwhile from such a "study".

 

[psychgirrrl]

You're talking about the misuse of religion. Thats a totally different story.


This argument is like saying you don't like medicine because of all the unnecessary surgery & misdiagnosis. You don't like water because of water boarding. You don't like club organizations because of gangs...


People can misuse anything, but that doesn't make it less valid.

I'm gonna pick a bone with you, no intent to do harm though.

Although I agree with you that what serenade mentioned can be classified as "misuse" of religion, you have to recognize this is the mainstream use of religion in this country. They use religious arguments every time they are trying to put a group of people down.

Gay people can't get married because "marriage" is between a man and a woman.
Women shouldn't take birth control because they will be sexually promiscuous and that's a sin.
We should go to war because we are inherently better than those other people and have to show them god's way of capitalism and democracy.

It goes on and on and on.

Yes, it is bad logic, but look at all the abortion bills that have been voted on by congress.They are all based on this religious belief.

I am not against religion, however, I am against people shoving their views down my throat.

 

[HalfListic]

I'm gonna pick a bone with you, no intent to do harm though.

Although I agree with you that what serenade mentioned can be classified as "misuse" of religion, you have to recognize this is the mainstream use of religion in this country. They use religious arguments every time they are trying to put a group of people down.

Gay people can't get married because "marriage" is between a man and a woman.
Women shouldn't take birth control because they will be sexually promiscuous and that's a sin.
We should go to war because we are inherently better than those other people and have to show them god's way of capitalism and democracy.

It goes on and on and on.

Yes, it is bad logic, but look at all the abortion bills that have been voted on by congress.They are all based on this religious belief.

I am not against religion, however, I am against people shoving their views down my throat.

Hey psychg, I welcome anyone to challenge my comments or ask me to explain further, so dont ever feel bad to disagree with me, or think that it changes my view of you...I like a good debate and love when people share their honest opinions. So, in that spirit:

If you look at all of those issues, there are numerous churches and religions on both sides of each of those issues. So, my point is, you guys arent fighting religion, you are fighting different points of philosophy (or political views, social stances, etc) from a number of different religions. So, being religious myself, its almost funny when people say things like, "i hate that religion is so agains birth control" because my wife and I use birth control, I oppose the kind of war you talk about, I accept evolution (obviously) and that also goes on and on...

I will always debate these arguments because they are inaccurate. You, and others think you are fighting "religion" but you are fighting specific churches, which a totally different thing. And I dont see how normal religious people are shoving things down anyones throat. Some people have a moral opposition to things like abortion, regardless of religion, or lack thereof (I actually accept it in many cases...)

Compare the westburo baptists to a random Protestant or Jew, etc, and youll see what I mean. Hopefully that clears it up a bit