DO: the underdog

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all I can say... to everyone in here... please please understand that a cheery disposition and positive outlook will not seal the deal. Even Micheal Jordan was cut from his first bball team and had to bust his ass to get where he was. I don't like picking on Onco.... maybe she does get it.... but comments like "Definitely! It's all about staying positive and being proud of your hard work." just carry an air of naivete with them that is a little concerning. By all means do not get discouraged, but don't think that if you go through life beaming enough sunshine that things will fall into place. If you want to match competitively as a DO then you have to want it and you will need to be relatively outstanding compared to your peers. We aren't talking pep-rally here - we are talking about digging your heels in and throwing everything you have at it. Why? Because you MD counterparts matching these programs are already doing that.
 
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Actually thats everything I have said. I'm not naive. I simply said that everyone should stay positive and work hard and bust their ass in order to get far. I don't understand why my words kept being twisted around when I specifically said to acknowledge the obstacles but work your way through them?

A lot of people get convinced by hearsay (premeds of course) and get discouraged and really think they're stuck. I'm trying to really maintain a positive outlook for everyone so that if they feel discouraged and stuck, to use that as will power and really work hard at their goals (without disregarding the obstacles, so don't even try to twist that sentence around either).

Did I in any way shape or form guarantee that by being positive and motivated, it will make you eligible to apply for the American presidency? No I did not. But being pessimistic and by willingly taking the short end of the stick without even trying to avoid it, isn't gonna help either.

I think i've been speaking English since I've joined SDN.

So if you feel that a cheery disposition is some sort of naiveness or a sign of weakness, then maybe that's why men get suckered by girls all the time, but that's another story!
 
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So if you feel that a cheery disposition is some sort of naiveness or a sign of weakness, then maybe that's why men get suckered by girls all the time

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The best part of this is that oncomd is admitting women are evil and will play men.

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Oh wow.. This thing is still going on?
 
I love how everyone glossed over cabinbuilder's 2 posts XDD when in fact her words as a DO attending carry a lot more weight than what most of you are saying.

Not to worry. I have those who are for me and those who are against. I do think it's interesting that the pre-med naivete is running rampant on this thread.

Shall I revisit the reality check?

Ok, so I was one of those huge underdog types who was told they would NEVER get into medical school. My grades weren't good enough, I was a woman. The director of the WAMI program (no Wyoming at that time) told me that women don't belong in medicine, and that if I took the MCAT three times I might as well forget it. My own pre-med advisor didn't beleive I would ever get in, nor did my husband (now ex)

My DO friends where I worked rallied and encouraged me to apply DO. I was 32, newly divorced, 2 little kids. Original undergrad GPA was 2.7. I had taken the MCAT 3 times (my highest score a 24). My post bacc GPA was 3.9

So I got into DO school on the third attempt. Dragged my kids and my new boyfriend across the country and started medical school with high hopes and sure that was I destined to be a general surgeon.

I have NEVER had to struggle so much in academics in my LIFE. All this talk about your degree holding you back, blah blah blah, etc etc etc. Is so much bull****. I tell you once you get into the rigors of medical school your whole focus is PASSING. You don't have time to worry about boards or what residency program you may get into after 4th year. Residency has nothing to do with what school you go to.

So the board exams came around, my study group and I did 8 hours a day, 6 days a week for 6 weeks doing board study. I was the only one who passed on the first try and my numbers weren't stellar. I still had high hopes of being a surgeon and went off on my rotations in my naive state thinking that if "worked hard and was positive" all would turn out in my favor. I went to an away rotation in Albuquerque, NM and loved everything about general surgery, was asked to apply to the program, had a letter from the director, etc. When I was on my oncology rotation, the attending at that time figured I would end up in primary care because I liked to talke to the patients too much. Hmmmm..

So, the time came for ERAS to open and I applied to the NM residency (it was Allo). Not one time while I was on rotation there was it mentioned that I would need the USMLE to be considered. Needless to say, despite rave reviews, my application was trashed on the first pass and I never was awarded interviews at any general surgery programs.

The match came and went. I didn't match of course. So I ended up scrambling into Family Practice and realized that the Oncologist 2 years before had seen something in me that I hadn't seen myself. I do plenty of procedures in my job now and have no regrets whatsoever.


SO........

You can do whatever you want, YES.
It's not about your school. It's about you.

Your board scores
Your rotations you do.
Your personality.
And.. If you are DO, don't let the school feed you the line that if you want an allopathic residency you don't have to take USMLE - THIS IS NOT TRUE. Do yourself a favor and give yourself the best chance to land the residency of your choice. If you don't get the one you want, it all comes down to the individual and you can only blame yourself. All this obsession about match lists from each school and students picking the school based on that is SO SO STUPID. It has nothing to do with the school. The students who are great test takers go onto the ROADS careers. The students who aren't make great doctors and take care of the masses.

I hope that clears things up.
 
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Not to worry. I have those who are for me and those who are against. I do think it's interesting that the pre-med naivete is running rampant on this thread.

Shall I revisit the reality check?

Ok, so I was one of those huge underdog types who was told they would NEVER get into medical school. My grades weren't good enough, I was a woman. The director of the WAMI program (no Wyoming at that time) told me that women don't belong in medicine, and that if I took the MCAT three times I might as well forget it. My own pre-med advisor didn't beleive I would ever get in, nor did my husband (now ex)

My DO friends where I worked rallied and encouraged me to apply DO. I was 32, newly divorced, 2 little kids. Original undergrad GPA was 2.7. I had taken the MCAT 3 times. My post bacc GPA was 3.9

So I got into DO school on the third attempt. Dragged my kids and my new boyfriend across the country and started medical school with high hopes and sure that was I destined to be a general surgeon.

I have NEVER had to struggle so much in academics in my LIFE. All this talk about your degree holding you back, blah blah blah, etc etc etc. Is so much bull****. I tell you once you get into the rigors of medical school your whole focus is PASSING. You don't have time to worry about boards or what residency program you may get into after 4th year. Residency has nothing to do with what school you go to.

So the board exams came around, my study group and I did 8 hours a day, 6 days a week for 6 weeks doing board study. I was the only one who passed on the first try and my numbers weren't stellar. I still had high hopes of being a surgeon and went off on my rotations in my naive state thinking that if "worked hard and was positive" all would turn out in my favor. I went to an away rotation in Albuquerque, NM and loved everything about general surgery, was asked to apply to the program, had a letter from the director, etc. When I was on my oncology rotation, the attending at that time figured I would end up in primary care because I liked to talke to the patients too much. Hmmmm..

So, the time came for ERAS to open and I applied to the NM residency (it was Allo). Not one time while I was on rotation there was it mentioned that I would need the USMLE to be considered. Needless to say, despite rave reviews, my application was trashed on the first pass and I never was awarded interviews at any general surgery programs.

The match came and went. I didn't match of course. So I ended up scrambling into Family Practice and realized that the Oncologist 2 years before had seen something in me that I hadn't seen myself. I do plenty of procedures in my job now and have no regrets whatsoever.


SO........

You can do whatever you want, YES.
It's not about your school. It's about you.

Your board scores
Your rotations you do.
Your personality.
And.. If you are DO, don't let the school feed you the line that if you want an allopathic residency you don't have to take USMLE - THIS IS NOT TRUE. Do yourself a favor and give yourself the best chance to land the residency of your choice. If you don't get the one you want, it all comes down to the individual and you can only blame yourself. All this obsession about match lists from each school and students picking the school based on that is SO SO STUPID. It has nothing to do with the school. The students who are great test takers go onto the ROADS careers. The students who aren't make great doctors and take care of the masses.

I hope that clears things up.

Well said. There's too much neuroticism, too much nitpicking, too much of "if there is only one DO in this program, then don't bother because that person was the exception with connections."

It's a different world out there, and if you put your mind to it, chances are in your favor (with no guarantees of course).

It's all about informing yourself of what exactly you need to do to get to where you want to be, and taking action accordingly. Unfortunately, you didn't know about the whole USMLE gig, and I'm sure things would've been different if you did, but what's most important is that you made it far despite your obstacles, and thats what I keep saying. Recognizing your obstacles, but not letting it stop you from reaching your goals.
 
@CabinBuilder-you have an amazing story. reading your posts as always is just awesome, you should definitely consider starting a blog or something.

@OncoMD-Keep up that positive outlook. don't let the sleu of pre-meds on here or offline bring you down.
 
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Nobody is trying to bring anyone down here.... setting high goals is a wonderful thing, and none of us would even be in our present position if we didn't.

Dunking on a basketball rim is also a great goal, but if you're 4'0" with no athleticism and your genes suck, your better off spending the time perfecting your jump shot. This isn't being a downer... it's being realistic and smart, while still achieving a great end.

Speaking of basketball... some good games are on right now. 😎
 
@CabinBuilder-you have an amazing story. reading your posts as always is just awesome, you should definitely consider starting a blog or something.

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Thanks I have been asked many times to start a book. Just don't want to do it. I like throwing out little tidbits as we go. The whole blog thing is really foreign to me. My entire story really is too bizarre to be believable but it is what it is. Glad you enjoy the posts. My intention is to help and inspire the next generation of doctors.
 
Nobody is trying to bring anyone down here.... setting high goals is a wonderful thing, and none of us would even be in our present position if we didn't.

Dunking on a basketball rim is also a great goal, but if you're 4'0" with no athleticism and your genes suck, your better off spending the time perfecting your jump shot. This isn't being a downer... it's being realistic and smart, while still achieving a great end.

Speaking of basketball... some good games are on right now. 😎

👎 on the analogy. but anyways, im watching the nets-heat game.im a knick fan so hope the knicks get to play the bulls in the first round.....did not like how the knicks played the heat recently. and san antonio look scary out west
 
Actually thats everything I have said. I'm not naive. I simply said that everyone should stay positive and work hard and bust their ass in order to get far. I don't understand why my words kept being twisted around when I specifically said to acknowledge the obstacles but work your way through them?

A lot of people get convinced by hearsay (premeds of course) and get discouraged and really think they're stuck. I'm trying to really maintain a positive outlook for everyone so that if they feel discouraged and stuck, to use that as will power and really work hard at their goals (without disregarding the obstacles, so don't even try to twist that sentence around either).

Did I in any way shape or form guarantee that by being positive and motivated, it will make you eligible to apply for the American presidency? No I did not. But being pessimistic and by willingly taking the short end of the stick without even trying to avoid it, isn't gonna help either.

I think i've been speaking English since I've joined SDN.

So if you feel that a cheery disposition is some sort of naiveness or a sign of weakness, then maybe that's why men get suckered by girls all the time, but that's another story!
is... is my silent treatment over? :soexcited::clap::highfive::barf: (oh... got so excited it made me a little queasy....)

I could go back and quote all of the specific instances but you have been brimming with comments similar to "oh well we wont let the man keep us down!". You have compared difficulties of DO to the civil rights movement of african americans, and you have compared having a DO to having an MD/PhD because it is MD+ .... so please, pepsquad, do not get your poms all in a bunch now. You need to just chill a little bit 👍:laugh:

But hey! that "men get suckered by women" comment is a cheapshot! but all too true I suppose... thats why Lifetime dedicated a whole movie network to it 🤣

Do whatever you want with your career. I am of the opinion that if I find myself at any sort of a disadvantage I plan on coming out swinging rather than hoping the other guy trips (am I being too vague with the metaphors?)
 
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is... is my silent treatment over? :soexcited::clap::highfive::barf: (oh... got so excited it made me a little queasy....)

I could go back and quote all of the specific instances but you have been brimming with comments similar to "oh well we wont let the man keep us down!". You have compared difficulties of DO to the civil rights movement of african americans, and you have compared having a DO to having an MD/PhD because it is MD+ .... so please, pepsquad, do not get your poms all in a bunch now. You need to just chill a little bit 👍:laugh:

But hey! that "men get suckered by women" comment is a cheapshot! but all too true I suppose... thats why Lifetime dedicated a whole movie network to it 🤣

Do whatever you want with your career. I am of the opinion that if I find myself at any sort of a disadvantage I plan on coming out swinging rather than hoping the other guy trips (am I being too vague with the metaphors?)


Ok so I used the civil rights movement...you're point being? I did not state anything specific to the historical events. I simply wanted to express the general ideas of whenever you're you feel that something isn't possible, simply because the odds are against you,doesn't mean that you shouldn't give up, because if you recognize your obstacles and work through them the more you can achieve. THATS ALL I WAS TRYING TO GET ACROSS.

And yes I will do whatever I want with my career because 6 years from now I'm gonna look back at this thread and LMFAO.

Lastly, you really must skim through my readings, and then run off on tangents and assume things, because that is exactly what I said. Whenever you are faced with an obstacle, work through them, instead of sitting down and hoping for a miracle.

Do you not understand???? Whenever you take the MCAT, if you haven't done so already, I'm gonna be real curious to know your Verbal score, because I mean seriously dude...seriously.
 
Ok so I used the civil rights movement...you're point being? I did not state anything specific to the historical events. I simply wanted to express the general ideas of whenever you're you feel that something isn't possible, simply because the odds are against you,doesn't mean that you shouldn't give up, because if you recognize your obstacles and work through them the more you can achieve. THATS ALL I WAS TRYING TO GET ACROSS.

And yes I will do whatever I want with my career because 6 years from now I'm gonna look back at this thread and LMFAO.

Lastly, you really must skim through my readings, and then run off on tangents and assume things, because that is exactly what I said. Whenever you are faced with an obstacle, work through them, instead of sitting down and hoping for a miracle.

Do you not understand???? Whenever you take the MCAT, if you haven't done so already, I'm gonna be real curious to know your Verbal score, because I mean seriously dude...seriously.

He's a medical student, so he's taken the MCAT.

No one was ever trying to say it's impossible, but you seemed to imply an assumption that were no biases towards DOs from ACGME residencies. That's just not true, no matter how you feel about it.
 
Ok so I used the civil rights movement...you're point being? I did not state anything specific to the historical events. I simply wanted to express the general ideas of whenever you're you feel that something isn't possible, simply because the odds are against you,doesn't mean that you shouldn't give up, because if you recognize your obstacles and work through them the more you can achieve. THATS ALL I WAS TRYING TO GET ACROSS.

And yes I will do whatever I want with my career because 6 years from now I'm gonna look back at this thread and LMFAO.

Lastly, you really must skim through my readings, and then run off on tangents and assume things, because that is exactly what I said. Whenever you are faced with an obstacle, work through them, instead of sitting down and hoping for a miracle.

Do you not understand???? Whenever you take the MCAT, if you haven't done so already, I'm gonna be real curious to know your Verbal score, because I mean seriously dude...seriously.


The thing is that DO's, in the form of AACOM and COCA, self-impose their "specialness" on themselves. You can't compare this to a group which has no or very limited control over anything, including themselves.
 
He's a medical student, so he's taken the MCAT.

No one was ever trying to say it's impossible, but you seemed to imply an assumption that were no biases towards DOs from ACGME residencies. That's just not true, no matter how you feel about it.

Where exactly in my reply did you feel I implied there were no bias towards DOs from ACGME residencies, when I did acknowledge the fact and simply said not to give up and keep trying?
 
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Where exactly in my reply did you feel I implied there were no bias towards DOs from ACGME residencies, when I did acknowledge the fact and simply said not to give up and keep trying?

The fact that you argued with people over three pages who were only saying that it is very hard to match at certain programs as a DO. No one ever said it was impossible, there are DOs that match into very prestigious programs. You and Spectre and Instate were basically agreeing the entire time then.
 
Ok so I used the civil rights movement...you're point being? I did not state anything specific to the historical events. I simply wanted to express the general ideas of whenever you're you feel that something isn't possible, simply because the odds are against you,doesn't mean that you shouldn't give up, because if you recognize your obstacles and work through them the more you can achieve. THATS ALL I WAS TRYING TO GET ACROSS.

And yes I will do whatever I want with my career because 6 years from now I'm gonna look back at this thread and LMFAO.

Lastly, you really must skim through my readings, and then run off on tangents and assume things, because that is exactly what I said. Whenever you are faced with an obstacle, work through them, instead of sitting down and hoping for a miracle.

Do you not understand???? Whenever you take the MCAT, if you haven't done so already, I'm gonna be real curious to know your Verbal score, because I mean seriously dude...seriously.
look real close at what it says under my avatar ms reading rainbow.
 
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The fact that you argued with people over three pages who were only saying that it is very hard to match at certain programs as a DO. No one ever said it was impossible, there are DOs that match into very prestigious programs. You and Spectre and Instate were basically agreeing the entire time then.

In principle, yes. I feel the tone here is denying the added difficulty a DO will face. If I wanted to go all psychology on this one I'd focus on the fact that the oober DO-oriented girl here is going by the tag oncoMD... And likely started her pre med track pre MD and switched due to MCAT or grades and is now lashing out against some self concocted environment of oppression. For anyone Interested in the reality of the situation you need a pep talk more akin to commander shepherds speech right before the suicide mission on ME2 (IMO you should have to understand that reference as a pre req for medicine 😛 ) rather than the sort of pep talk Dora the explorer may give. I feel if I had been pre med and followed the advice onco gave I would get blindsided at some point in my education.
 
In principle, yes. I feel the tone here is denying the added difficulty a DO will face. If I wanted to go all psychology on this one I'd focus on the fact that the oober DO-oriented girl here is going by the tag oncoMD... And likely started her pre med track pre MD and switched due to MCAT or grades and is now lashing out against some self concocted environment of oppression. For anyone Interested in the reality of the situation you need a pep talk more akin to commander shepherds speech right before the suicide mission on ME2 (IMO you should have to understand that reference as a pre req for medicine 😛 ) rather than the sort of pep talk Dora the explorer may give. I feel if I had been pre med and followed the advice onco gave I would get blindsided at some point in my education.

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For anyone Interested in the reality of the situation you need a pep talk more akin to commander shepherds speech right before the suicide mission on ME2 (IMO you should have to understand that reference as a pre req for medicine 😛 ).

Pfft. Give me the St. Crisipn's Day Speech over that shlock any day. BioWare ain't got nothin' on Shakespeare. 😉
 
@cabinbuilder. Thank you for your posts and I do greatly appreciate your support of the next generation of physicians.

I definitely agree that as pre-meds we are a neurotic, ignorant (at times) bunch who really needs to pay attention to Attendings and their view on the situation. Residents and Medical Students are very good resources at times as well, but they need to be reality checked by what Attendings are saying whether it be here or in real life.

Getting into Medical School is a process, it is long and tedious. However, it requires persistence and staying positive. Once one can prove this then I truly believe that most of us will be successful in fulfilling our dreams.
 
@cabinbuilder. Thank you for your posts and I do greatly appreciate your support of the next generation of physicians.

I definitely agree that as pre-meds we are a neurotic, ignorant (at times) bunch who really needs to pay attention to Attendings and their view on the situation. Residents and Medical Students are very good resources at times as well, but they need to be reality checked by what Attendings are saying whether it be here or in real life.

Getting into Medical School is a process, it is long and tedious. However, it requires persistence and staying positive. Once one can prove this then I truly believe that most of us will be successful in fulfilling our dreams.

Thanks, I think the biggest thing is that pre-med students need to realize that medical school in this country really is pretty much the same across the board. It comes down to the INDIVIDUAL as to how that students path turns out. Poor board scores are not the school's fault, not getting your choice residency is not the school's fault. Nor does the school really have any bearing on how good of a test taker you are, your personality, how well you perform on the wards, etc. So all this talk about first tier, second tier, third tier schools is a bunch of crap that really is irrelevant in the end. I will say no patient has ever asked me what school I went to or what my board scores are, or what my residency program was. All they care about is that I am a doctor and I am there to take care of them.
 
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Thanks, I think the biggest thing is that pre-med students need to realize that medical school in this country really is pretty much the same across the board. It comes down to the INDIVIDUAL as to how that students path turns out. Poor board scores are not the schools fault, not getting your choice residency is not the school fault. Nor does the school really have any bearing on how good of a test taker you are, your personality, how well you perform on the wards, etc. So all this talk about first tier, second tier, third tier schools is a bunch of crap that really is irrelevant in the end. I will say no patient has ever asked me what school I went to or what my board scores are, or what my residency program was. All they care about is that I am a doctor and I am there to take care of them.
You're welcome. I absolutely agree that it is up to the individual, not the school. As a Paramedic, I've never, ever had a patient ask so did you graduate from the top school in town or another sub-tier program? Instead, conversations evolve around can you help me, are you competent, etc. 🙂
 
@cabinbuilder. Thank you for your posts and I do greatly appreciate your support of the next generation of physicians.

I definitely agree that as pre-meds we are a neurotic, ignorant (at times) bunch who really needs to pay attention to Attendings and their view on the situation. Residents and Medical Students are very good resources at times as well, but they need to be reality checked by what Attendings are saying whether it be here or in real life.

Getting into Medical School is a process, it is long and tedious. However, it requires persistence and staying positive. Once one can prove this then I truly believe that most of us will be successful in fulfilling our dreams.

Couldn't have said it better!
 
In principle, yes. I feel the tone here is denying the added difficulty a DO will face.

LOLLLL, ok....well just because you "feel" a certain way, doesn't mean that it is how the author meant it. So I suggest you keep your "feelings" to yourself, especially since it deviates from my actual points, making it both your "feelings" and your counter-criticism completely irrelevant.

If I wanted to go all psychology on this one I'd focus on the fact that the oober DO-oriented girl here is going by the tag oncoMD... And likely started her pre med track pre MD and switched due to MCAT or grades and is now lashing out against some self concocted environment of oppression.

Self-concocted environment of oppression...hmmm...are you paying attention to what you're saying? Because if it means that I'm creating a self-environment of oppression, then that must mean that the bias must be in my head??? So now I'm going against an imaginary world of bias? Then you somehow want to connect this to Mass Effect 2? You must've been one of those kids in high school who got picked on lol, who getting laid must have been just a far out dream.

I thought you were mindlessly ranting in the other posts about how I am neglecting the bias that exists in ACGME residencies for DOs, which turned out the total opposite since you just like to skim over people's points and THEN deviate and create your own "self-concocted" ideas on what the author was saying.

Either way, I could tell you're running out of things to say, since you feel the need to look for anything you can find outside the topic just for the sake of debating (I looked at your post history, and I know you feed on debates a.k.a. must not have gotten much attention growing up). But let me tell you, please don't take up any more Psychology, because you honestly have no idea what you're saying. My name has NOTHING to do with MD vs DO, but either way:


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LOLLLL, ok....well just because you "feel" a certain way, doesn't mean that it is how the author meant it. So I suggest you keep your "feelings" to yourself, especially since it deviates from my actual points, making it both your "feelings" and your counter-criticism completely irrelevant.

well this is wrong.... I mean, if you want to pounce on 1 word be my guest. You have already shown a track record of sloppy and inappropriate points which demonstrates a pretty clear level of naivete.


Self-concocted environment of oppression...hmmm...are you paying attention to what you're saying? Because if it means that I'm creating a self-environment of oppression, then that must mean that the bias must be in my head??? So now I'm going against an imaginary world of bias?
Given all of our other interactions around here I can see why this is difficult for you. Your points and assertions have been that any increased degree of "uphill battle" a DO is somehow unjust. While ACGME programs are biased towards MDs, this is in no way unfair or unjust to the DO. Your rally cries and can-do pepsquad attitude reflects the belief that they are biased against DOs just to keep you down. This is not the case. The average DO student comes from a school which has laxed its entry requirements as compared to the average MD school and the bodies governing these schools (AOA) are not as close-knit with the ACGME as is those for MD schools (LCME). It makes perfect sense for ACGME programs to require a little extra from DO candidates under such circumstances. Similar considerations are made for FMGs and caribbean MDs. Just be glad that DO has about the easiest way as compared to those two on average.

so yeah.... I suppose if we accept the memory of a gold fish as the norm then your above statement completely lacking context makes sense....

I thought you were mindlessly ranting in the other posts about how I am neglecting the bias that exists in ACGME residencies for DOs (which turned out the total opposite since you just like to skim over people's points and THEN deviate and create your own "self-concocted" ideas on what the author was saying)??? You're an idi*t. God bless your mother for having you. :laugh:
hey now, don't call names.... er.... partial names with asterisks in them... That isn't very becoming for such a nice little girl 🙂

Either way, I could tell you're running out of things to say, since you feel the need to look for anything you can find outside the top just for the sake of debating. But let me tell you, please don't take up any more Psychology, because you honestly have no idea what you're saying. My name has NOTHING to do with MD vs DO, but either way:
Ive got plenty to say and plenty of need for distraction if we are making this a pissing match between the two of us. Most of what I have posted has been for the benefit of anyone out there reading with a healthy dose of sarcasm thrown in to help keep me from bleeding from the ears while I attempt to converse with someone so blindly "go-team!" that I occasionally feel the need to pick glitter from my teeth.

p.s. I bet I hit a little closer to home with the user name thing than you would ever admit 😉 25MCAT and 3.6 gpa? ish? Good thing you are so pro-DO and I bet it has nothing to do with being the only reasonable option available to you 👍 There is nothing wrong with being an underdog and beating the odds. But this retaliatory pseudo-elitism (DO=MD/PhD) / victimization (unfounded bias) is just off the wall crazy.
 
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well this is wrong.... I mean, if you want to pounce on 1 word be my guest. You have already shown a track record of sloppy and inappropriate points which demonstrates a pretty clear level of naivete.



Given all of our other interactions around here I can see why this is difficult for you. Your points and assertions have been that any increased degree of "uphill battle" a DO is somehow unjust. While ACGME programs are biased towards MDs, this is in no way unfair or unjust to the DO. Your rally cries and can-do pepsquad attitude reflects the belief that they are biased against DOs just to keep you down. This is not the case. The average DO student comes from a school which has laxed its entry requirements as compared to the average MD school and the bodies governing these schools (AOA) are not as close-knit with the ACGME as is those for MD schools (LCME). It makes perfect sense for ACGME programs to require a little extra from DO candidates under such circumstances. Similar considerations are made for FMGs and caribbean MDs. Just be glad that DO has about the easiest way as compared to those two on average.

so yeah.... I suppose if we accept the memory of a gold fish as the norm then your above statement completely lacking context makes sense....


hey now, don't call names.... er.... partial names with asterisks in them... That isn't very becoming for such a nice little girl 🙂


Ive got plenty to say and plenty of need for distraction if we are making this a pissing match between the two of us. Most of what I have posted has been for the benefit of anyone out there reading with a healthy dose of sarcasm thrown in to help keep me from bleeding from the ears while I attempt to converse with someone so blindly "go-team!" that I occasionally feel the need to pick glitter from my teeth.

p.s. I bet I hit a little closer to home with the user name thing than you would ever admit 😉 25MCAT and 3.6 gpa? ish? Good thing you are so pro-DO and I bet it has nothing to do with being the only reasonable option available to you 👍 There is nothing wrong with being an underdog and beating the odds. But this retaliatory pseudo-elitism (DO=MD/PhD) / victimization (unfounded bias) is just off the wall crazy.


Haha, you really wanna go to the MD/PhD thread? I was poking fun at the matter, but you're...again...an idiot to really have taken it seriously.

25 MCAT? Like I said you have no idea what you're saying. I don't take my MCAT till Aug 10th, and I certainly am not aiming for no 25 lol.

I have a lot of things to say on all the above you've so thoughtfully conjured up, but I'm gonna follow what 8 people so far have told me through Inbox (some who haven't even actively participated in this thread), to simply outright ignore you, because talking to you is like talking to a cow.

So I'll be the better person, and raise the flag. God bless your mother for raising a dead stump like you. Have a nice day! :laugh:

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were they the 8 guys leg humping your avatar in your SGU vs DO thread? 😉

its about time you put me on silent treatment again. This thread almost got to die last time 👍
 
:whoa: is this still going on? its like Onco vs. Specter round XXXVIII. you guys need to simmer down a bit.
 
mais je peux "Google Translate" aussi bon que n'importe quel
 
mais je peux "Google Translate" aussi bon que n'importe quel

lol nah bro. you can't just use google translate to speak french. you have to live it to learn it. 😀
 
Bacchus, close this thread ASAP, before the troll returns.. Hurry!!

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In principle, yes. I feel the tone here is denying the added difficulty a DO will face. If I wanted to go all psychology on this one I'd focus on the fact that the oober DO-oriented girl here is going by the tag oncoMD... And likely started her pre med track pre MD and switched due to MCAT or grades and is now lashing out against some self concocted environment of oppression. For anyone Interested in the reality of the situation you need a pep talk more akin to commander shepherds speech right before the suicide mission on ME2 (IMO you should have to understand that reference as a pre req for medicine 😛 ) rather than the sort of pep talk Dora the explorer may give. I feel if I had been pre med and followed the advice onco gave I would get blindsided at some point in my education.

The collectors blindside their targets, hit and run.
 
well this is wrong.... I mean, if you want to pounce on 1 word be my guest. You have already shown a track record of sloppy and inappropriate points which demonstrates a pretty clear level of naivete.



Given all of our other interactions around here I can see why this is difficult for you. Your points and assertions have been that any increased degree of "uphill battle" a DO is somehow unjust. While ACGME programs are biased towards MDs, this is in no way unfair or unjust to the DO. Your rally cries and can-do pepsquad attitude reflects the belief that they are biased against DOs just to keep you down. This is not the case. The average DO student comes from a school which has laxed its entry requirements as compared to the average MD school and the bodies governing these schools (AOA) are not as close-knit with the ACGME as is those for MD schools (LCME). It makes perfect sense for ACGME programs to require a little extra from DO candidates under such circumstances. Similar considerations are made for FMGs and caribbean MDs. Just be glad that DO has about the easiest way as compared to those two on average.

so yeah.... I suppose if we accept the memory of a gold fish as the norm then your above statement completely lacking context makes sense....


hey now, don't call names.... er.... partial names with asterisks in them... That isn't very becoming for such a nice little girl 🙂


Ive got plenty to say and plenty of need for distraction if we are making this a pissing match between the two of us. Most of what I have posted has been for the benefit of anyone out there reading with a healthy dose of sarcasm thrown in to help keep me from bleeding from the ears while I attempt to converse with someone so blindly "go-team!" that I occasionally feel the need to pick glitter from my teeth.

p.s. I bet I hit a little closer to home with the user name thing than you would ever admit 😉 25MCAT and 3.6 gpa? ish? Good thing you are so pro-DO and I bet it has nothing to do with being the only reasonable option available to you 👍 There is nothing wrong with being an underdog and beating the odds. But this retaliatory pseudo-elitism (DO=MD/PhD) / victimization (unfounded bias) is just off the wall crazy.

dude you need to chiiiiiiiiiiiilllllll... and your posts are starting to sound pretty misogynistic...it detracts from your arguments which is too bad
 
it was intentional there. There wasnt much else to say when someone has exhausted their repertoire of legit yet invalid arguments and succumbs to name calling. No sense in leaving someone down there on that level alone, amirite?
 
it was intentional there. There wasnt much else to say when someone has exhausted their repertoire of legit yet invalid arguments and succumbs to name calling. No sense in leaving someone down there on that level alone, amirite?

Thats when you get off this damn site and go study, go outside, go volunteer, go take a poop, or do something else productive...

y'all are nuts.
 
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