it seems that way from their website.
i don't know anyone that goes to loma linda..
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i don't know anyone that goes to loma linda..
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does loma linda not accept non christian applications?
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They DO accept non-Christian applicants. The nature of the school doesn't really make it very appealing to non-Christians (or even to Christians that aren't 7th Day Adventists). I've know a few people to go to Loma Linda and it's a great school. It's hard to get into though if you aren't a 7th Day Adventist and it's a very conservative Christian school (which probably only appeals to a small niche).
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"Very conservative"? Not really. I mean compared to what? It's not Bob Jones or anything. It's actually super-laid back there. No one tries to convert anybody. No one makes you sit through "religious" classes, outside of the context of medical ethics.
They are looking to train Christian physicians, within the context that they believe in treating the "whole person", which means the physical, emotional, and spiritual of every individual. It's not that they are necessarily discriminatory based on belief or lack of it per se, but that like any medical school they are looking for a certain cohort to train in their stated mission. There is apparently some sort of overlap between Christians and those who are also interested in the spiritual side of a patient.
7th day adventists (SDAs) generally will get a courtesy interview, but this in no way guarantees an acceptance. I think they like to take a few interesting "chance" cases and non-trads, but for the most part, even for the SDAs, you have to up to snuff by California medical school standards.
In most classes, there are MORE non-SDAs than SDAs, because of class size and the number of qualified SDA applicants.
The clinical medical education is excellent and people place well into residencies because of this known reputation.
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Maybe "very" was out of place. I visited and even though I'm Catholic the place gave me a conservative vibe. The dress code, separate housing for male and female students etc. etc.
I should say that I went to one of the most liberal schools in the country. I could NOT survive at Loma Linda. I agree that is a great school though.
I should say that I went to one of the most liberal schools in the country. I could NOT survive at Loma Linda. I agree that is a great school though.
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I don't remember a dress code and "male" and "female" dorms is not something strange or particularly "conservative". Are all dorms co-ed at state/secular private schools these days? I ask because I'm genuinely curious.
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I think I'm mixing up their regular program and med school to some extent... I did a few searches on sdn and here is what a student said about the dress code: "We're lucky cause we don't have a dress code for lectures. The only time you'll need to dress up in slacks/tie is for PDX Lab, which will be once or twice a quarter. (Only because the practice patient rooms are in the hospital.)"
I can only speak for the undergrad I attended... rooms alternated on the same floor between male and female. That was as a freshman. As upper class men you could have both males and females living together in a suite (as long as each had his or her own room).
I can only speak for the undergrad I attended... rooms alternated on the same floor between male and female. That was as a freshman. As upper class men you could have both males and females living together in a suite (as long as each had his or her own room).
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Many of the dorms on my undergrad campus are. I think it is very, very common.
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Just wondering what school you went to? I went to Sarah Lawrence College for 2 years, and it was SUPER liberal. Just wondering if it was the same one 🙂.
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Brown University. I'm a fan of Sarah Lawrence though (few kids from my hs went there).
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There is only one female-only dorm on my campus and no male-only...all others are mixed. As said earlier...very common.
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Pretty similar. If you go to their website they detail their expected code of conduct.
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can you get kicked out of school for sleeping with your girlfriend? lol
what are the ramifications for violating the code of conduct? for example getting wasted on the weekend!
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http://www.llu.edu/assets/central/handbook/documents/student-handbook.pdf
Page 120 details the SOM.
Start at the beginning though and you will see their ideas and policies. A couple of quick things that some may not agree with:
Wearing jewelry is looked down upon
Premarital sex, extramarital sex, homosexual sex goes against their policies
Smoking, drinking, pornography is unacceptable
I don't go there so I don't know their enforcements or anything. You guys just piqued my interest so I found this.
I have heard you do not have to be christian to attend, but after reading their guidelines, principles, and physician's oath it seems like you are doing yourself a disservice by attending a christian school that fully incorporates their beliefs into all aspects of their school.
The Physicians Oath Loma Linda School of Medicine
Before God these things I do promise:
In the acceptance of my sacred calling,
I will dedicate my life to the furtherance of Jesus Christs healing and teaching ministry.
I will give to my teachers the respect and gratitude which is their due. I will impart to those who follow
me, the knowledge and experience that I have gained.
The wholeness of my patient will be my first consideration.
Acting as a good steward of the resources of society and of the talents granted me, I will endeavor to reflect
Gods mercy and compassion by caring for the lonely, the poor, the suffering, and those who are dying.
I will maintain the utmost respect for human life. I will not use my medical knowledge contrary to the laws
of humanity. I will respect the rights and decisions of my patients.
I will hold in confidence all secrets committed to my keeping in the practice of my calling.
I will lead my life and practice my art with purity, and honor; abstaining from immorality myself, I will not
lead others into moral wrong-doing.
May Gods kingdom, His healing power and glory be experienced by those whom I serve, and may they be made
known in my life, in proportion as I am faithful to this oath.
If you have issues with this oath (especially the underlined) it seems like you would not be a good fit. Like I said, I have seen others on this forum who are non-christian and some who are LGBT and some who are atheist attending the school but it seems like if I was from any one of these groups I would probably steer away from a school like this.
Just my rambling...
Page 120 details the SOM.
Start at the beginning though and you will see their ideas and policies. A couple of quick things that some may not agree with:
Wearing jewelry is looked down upon
Premarital sex, extramarital sex, homosexual sex goes against their policies
Smoking, drinking, pornography is unacceptable
I don't go there so I don't know their enforcements or anything. You guys just piqued my interest so I found this.
I have heard you do not have to be christian to attend, but after reading their guidelines, principles, and physician's oath it seems like you are doing yourself a disservice by attending a christian school that fully incorporates their beliefs into all aspects of their school.
The Physicians Oath Loma Linda School of Medicine
Before God these things I do promise:
In the acceptance of my sacred calling,
I will dedicate my life to the furtherance of Jesus Christs healing and teaching ministry.
I will give to my teachers the respect and gratitude which is their due. I will impart to those who follow
me, the knowledge and experience that I have gained.
The wholeness of my patient will be my first consideration.
Acting as a good steward of the resources of society and of the talents granted me, I will endeavor to reflect
Gods mercy and compassion by caring for the lonely, the poor, the suffering, and those who are dying.
I will maintain the utmost respect for human life. I will not use my medical knowledge contrary to the laws
of humanity. I will respect the rights and decisions of my patients.
I will hold in confidence all secrets committed to my keeping in the practice of my calling.
I will lead my life and practice my art with purity, and honor; abstaining from immorality myself, I will not
lead others into moral wrong-doing.
May Gods kingdom, His healing power and glory be experienced by those whom I serve, and may they be made
known in my life, in proportion as I am faithful to this oath.
If you have issues with this oath (especially the underlined) it seems like you would not be a good fit. Like I said, I have seen others on this forum who are non-christian and some who are LGBT and some who are atheist attending the school but it seems like if I was from any one of these groups I would probably steer away from a school like this.
Just my rambling...
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I am not disagreeing but Loma is also a lot more conservative on paper than it is in real life. For instance, the jewelry thing isn't so much of an issue anymore as long as it is not excessive. It is against official policy and the lifestyle agreement you sign...same thing with drinking but I know for a fact a ton of the students there drink...that sort of thing. I 100% agree that if living by their code of conduct is an issue you probably shouldn't apply but I do think that non-Christian applicants should be aware that not everyone who attends the school is super conservative.
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What you are saying makes a lot of sense and is what my general intuition is of the school. As I said above, I have never had any experience with the school but I was just giving my observations.
If I went there it seems to me there would be something intangible felt that would make it feel more "solemn" than a traditional medical school. I am not knocking this fact as some may find this refreshing. I plan on applying to LLU but it does feel a little more "stifling" than other programs and I could not see applying there if I was an atheist (similar to someone applying to D.O. school but thinking OMM is a sham). I know some do apply to D.O. school and reject the idea of OMM, but applying to LLU and rejecting Christian principles seems even more difficult as the philosophy appears to trickle down into many aspects of the program (in contrast to one class in D.O. school).
It may be a good fit for more conservative non-christian religions though as they may embrace the more conservative values presented.
Once again, I have no experience there and hopefully some more LLU students could chime in and let me know how far off base I am. I am curious as I plan on applying but do not see drinking in moderation detrimental to my health but am worried about the conflict between signing the code of conduct and whether I really would practice it.
Any LLU students care to comment?
Less than half of our students are SDA, but most of them are mission minded. Many are in the Christian Medical Dental Assoc.. On our service the resident who has done the most mission service (Haiti, Dominican Republic and Nepal) is a practicing Muslim. Many of the mission trips have been led by a Hindu faculty member. Mission is probably the word you want to consider in applying to LLU.
The class of 2010 had adopted the SDA hospital in Haiti while they were freshmen. Three of the class were in Florida when the quake occurred and were at the SDA hospital within two to three days treating patients. Most of the class has been on mission trips. I would estimate that 1/3 have actually treated more than one case of malaria not just read about it.
In the Carter administration 43% of the American physicians practicing as missionaries were LLU grads. Others were probably former residents.
The domestic side of this mission is learning to look at the whole patient. In addition the students have an indigent clinic they run under the supervision of faculty. Loma Linda students have traditionally led the state on the clinical part of the USMLE.
Looking at schools it is probably best to look at what you get to do rather than what you aren't supposed to do. If this kind of adventure appeals to you, LLU may be for you. I went to Baylor where we had other strengths like treating big time trauma. At Duke the students had other activities unique to Duke.
The class of 2010 had adopted the SDA hospital in Haiti while they were freshmen. Three of the class were in Florida when the quake occurred and were at the SDA hospital within two to three days treating patients. Most of the class has been on mission trips. I would estimate that 1/3 have actually treated more than one case of malaria not just read about it.
In the Carter administration 43% of the American physicians practicing as missionaries were LLU grads. Others were probably former residents.
The domestic side of this mission is learning to look at the whole patient. In addition the students have an indigent clinic they run under the supervision of faculty. Loma Linda students have traditionally led the state on the clinical part of the USMLE.
Looking at schools it is probably best to look at what you get to do rather than what you aren't supposed to do. If this kind of adventure appeals to you, LLU may be for you. I went to Baylor where we had other strengths like treating big time trauma. At Duke the students had other activities unique to Duke.
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Except for the class called "Religion and the Whole Person Care" you take through your first two years.
http://www.llu.edu/medicine/education/curriculum.page?
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LL is an okay school in an unattractive part of California. Its evangelical/conservative-type atmosphere would make many people uncomfortable.
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I respect the effort and sincerity expended by those affiliated with your school to treat people in truly hopeless circumstances. However, I hope you understand that the word "missionary" is a turn-off to many people. Probably because of the implication of the proselytizing that characterizes the activities of many missionaries. If that's not involved with the programs you're describing, maybe there might be better labels to use.
Many health care providers and I would guess all med schools actively participate in programs for impoverished and hard hit areas, both home and abroad. LLU is not unique in that respect.
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As a Catholic would I be disadvantaged? I know that SDAs hate Catholics and see them as the closest to polar opposite as possible without being atheist.
My premed adviser said someone at Loma Linda admissions said you shouldn't bother to apply if you can't get a rec letter from a rabbi, priest, minister, etc..
I don't know how they feel about imams..
I don't know how they feel about imams..
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i'm a loma linda alumni (for grad school) and yes, the school does accept "other" apps, however, they give preference to seventh-day adventists, especially their medical school. when you go to loma linda, they require you to go to chapel (which is once a week). in addition, they also prefer students who have some sort of ties to the school. i know one guy who didn't even have to take the mcat and got in because his dad has a pretty high position in the church.
nonetheless, i think it's a very good school. especially if you're interested in pediatrics and medical missions.
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No you're not, because the word alumni is plural. (Sorry, this one is a pet peeve of mine).
The reason you find this post easy to read is because I use the shift key to capitalize words that begin a sentence. The reason I find yours hard to read is that you didn't.
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Good thing he's posting on an internet forum and not writing out professional documents or it might actually matter. Assuming the poster is actually a grad student I'm sure he understands the basic rules of capitalization.
Re: missionary as an out of date term. We still use the term, mission trip, even though there is no proselytizing involved. I think it would be hard to change it now because of the motivation not because of what actually goes on.
i choose not to and that's just how i am sometimes in online forums. if you have a problem with that, take it up to one of the mods. besides, if you had a problem with my post, then don't read it. it wasn't addressed to you and no one forced you to read it anyway. it's not hard to read.
Yes, because I thought that because I'm not being graded for my posts, I didn't feel the need to write in MLA format or any other format for that matter. I was just lazy. All I wanted was to get my point across and that's it. Assuming that my use of capitalization in this post is appropriate, I would also have to agree that yes, I was a grad student and I do understand the basic rules of capitalization unlike what the previous poster (Musclemass) assumed.
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