Embrace the Madness - Hannibal WW Part Deux

[mightyrunner7]

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Unyeet Santy yeet Sporty @kaydubs

I believe Zenge. I don't see a good reason to lie about being a 1x jailer, and I would love to hear a better explanation for the no-kill night.

Sporty ended the 1st day as the 2nd most popular yeet, and I find it more likely that she was going to perform the night kill and was stopped than the wolves were going after her and couldn't get to her. I don't see the wolves picking the 2nd most sus player to be the kill. I know its hard to read much into the last second psv chaos, but it does help explain why the second wagon didn't gain much traction

 

[mightyrunner7]

if jailed people aren’t aware that they’re jailed then yeah i’m down to vote sporty

Can you help me follow this reasoning? Sporty quickly at the start of day admitted that someone acted on her, are you saying she wouldn't have done this is W-Sporty knew she had been jailed specifically?

In my opinion, it seems Sporty was laying the groundwork for "I was the NK target but the wolves couldn't get me." Which is a pretty decent defense, but as I just said on my previous post, I find it more likely that she was the killer

 

[kaydubs]

Day 2: Eggs, Pancetta, Crayfish Vote Tally

Zenge (1) - Sporty
Clem (1) - Stagg
Sporty (2) - Zenge, mightyrunner
Santy (1) - SAR

5/9
Missing: still 4 guests

Vote closes TODAY, 3/6 at 10pm EST (9pm Central, 8pm Mountain, 7pm Pacific, 11pm AST, 12am UTC-3) (~15.5 h remain)

 

[SARdoghandler]

Sar feels funny

Well yeah, that's because I am. In fact, some think I'm downright hilarious

 

[SportPonies]

if jailed people aren’t aware that they’re jailed then yeah i’m down to vote sporty

I knew I was jailed

 

[SportPonies]

Sporty ended the 1st day as the 2nd most popular yeet, and I find it more likely that she was going to perform the night kill and was stopped than the wolves were going after her and couldn't get to her.

In a wolf!Sporty world, why would I, as the second wagon yesterday at EOD, then perform the NK?

 

[SportPonies]

Unyeet Zenge

…for now

 

[kaydubs]

Day 2: Eggs, Pancetta, Crayfish Vote Tally

Zenge ()
Clem (1) - Stagg
Sporty (2) - Zenge, mightyrunner
Santy (1) - SAR

4/9
Missing: 5!! guests

Vote closes TODAY, 3/6 at 10pm EST (9pm Central, 8pm Mountain, 7pm Pacific, 11pm AST, 12am UTC-3) (~13.25 h remain)

 

[samac]

I mean my options are myself (no), zenge (as previously stated feel confident I'll be confident on them tomorrow or d4 and currently lean town to boot), or you, so

Why not make a new wagon you believe in?

 

[samac]

I wanna sit here for a little bit. Got to page 5 last night and passed out
Yeet mighty

 

[Santygrass]

Hm.

@Zenge142 let me know when you are up

 

[Stagg737]

Is there a delayed kill mechanism that we just haven't seen in action yet?

Based on flavor of the write-up, it sounds like this is is the most likely scenario.

 

[Stagg737]

Have I gotten angeries from the whole roster yet??

Nope, you'll never get an angry from me. I believe you're also missing a Genny angry as well.

 

[WildZoo]

Nope, you'll never get an angry from me. I believe you're also missing a Genny angry as well.

Noted

Also genny gave me one before she left, so there

 

[Stagg737]

Well d3 is tomorrow not 3 days away and mafia already missed a kill so

I'm not super worried thanks tho

Interesting assumption noted.

 

[Stagg737]

Weeps

I just wanted angeries 😭

You gotta try harder than that...

You put too much stock in my ability to pick up on subtle things.
You have to repeatedly italicize for me to get things.

Can confirm, see England game. I know I was post restricted, but there's only so many ways one can proclaim innocent child without directly saying it directly before a brick wall gets the picture. Lol

 

[Stagg737]

Mod Announcement:

@samac will be subbing in for @genny, effective immediately​

Now I feel like I'm just obligated to vote here out of spite...

 

[Stagg737]

I’m not really sure why anyone would reveal unnecessarily with ~24 hours left in the cycle and numerous game days left

I can think of quite a few reasons, especially in a game with 1-off abilities.

Think I'm going to let samac catch-uo and see what they say about Zenge when they are up to date.

Rn I feel like starting a Zenge-Clem tunnel but will hold off a bit

I was feeling this way before fully catching up too. Not sure how I feel about a non-noob I barely know being on the same page as me...

if jailed people aren’t aware that they’re jailed then yeah i’m down to vote sporty

Why would it matter if she is aware or not?

I mean my options are myself (no), zenge (as previously stated feel confident I'll be confident on them tomorrow or d4 and currently lean town to boot), or you, so

I don't understand

I knew I was jailed

Did it specifically say you were jailed/directly say you couldn't do anything?

 

[samac]

Now I feel like I'm just obligated to vote here out of spite...

Rood

 

[samac]

@SportPonies did you have a visitor last night

 

[Stagg737]

General thoughts/reads since I may be absent for a while:

Putting Lucy, Zenge, and Santy in my village pile for now. Lucy is strongest village read, but a Lucy/Clem pack isn't out of the question imo. Sporty seems to have confirmed that Zenge jailed her. Jailer ability is NAI, but a 1x jailer seems more village if Zenge's claim is legit and I see no reason not to take claims at face value thus far given the on thread confirmations by those acted on.

Gamac and SAR are village leans, but still in the big ??? pile. I'll admit I suck at reading both Genny and SAR, but nothing struck me as particularly concerning. I will say my gut has a pretty good sense of when Samac is a wolf, but I always beat it up and stick it in a box somewhere so my brain can let wolf Samac win, but I haven't gotten any bad feelz toward Samac thus far. I wouldn't vote for either of them today.

That leaves Sporty, Clem, and Mighty. I used to be able to basically soul read wolf-sporty, and I didn't immediately get that feeling but the paranoia is starting to seep in here. Being jailed with no NK is concerning, and I'd be okay with a Sporty flip based on this. However, tinfoil/blasphemy I'll speak of in a moment makes me hesitant to place a vote there now. Idk if Clem and Mighty are noobs or what but I see almost no meaningful contributions to village and more talk of random "rules" and the future than active wolf hunting. I'm fine with parking my vote on Clem for now, but am also fine with a Mighty flip. I also think Clem fits into the most packs right now.

 

[Stagg737]

Rood

And don't talk back to your parents

 

[samac]

General thoughts/reads since I may be absent for a while:

Putting Lucy, Zenge, and Santy in my village pile for now. Lucy is strongest village read, but a Lucy/Clem pack isn't out of the question imo. Sporty seems to have confirmed that Zenge jailed her. Jailer ability is NAI, but a 1x jailer seems more village if Zenge's claim is legit and I see no reason not to take claims at face value thus far given the on thread confirmations by those acted on.

Gamac and SAR are village leans, but still in the big ??? pile. I'll admit I suck at reading both Genny and SAR, but nothing struck me as particularly concerning. I will say my gut has a pretty good sense of when Samac is a wolf, but I always beat it up and stick it in a box somewhere so my brain can let wolf Samac win, but I haven't gotten any bad feelz toward Samac thus far. I wouldn't vote for either of them today.

That leaves Sporty, Clem, and Mighty. I used to be able to basically soul read wolf-sporty, and I didn't immediately get that feeling but the paranoia is starting to seep in here. Being jailed with no NK is concerning, and I'd be okay with a Sporty flip based on this. However, tinfoil/blasphemy I'll speak of in a moment makes me hesitant to place a vote there now. Idk if Clem and Mighty are noobs or what but I see almost no meaningful contributions to village and more talk of random "rules" and the future than active wolf hunting. I'm fine with parking my vote on Clem for now, but am also fine with a Mighty flip. I also think Clem fits into the most packs right now.

Oh stagg are you looking for a village read?
Giving you one of those feels funny

 

[samac]

Either there're multiple compulsive tourists, or you're lying because that's my ability. Either way, I want to find out now.

Unvote Zenge
Vote Lucy

Feel good about this

 

[Stagg737]

Oh stagg are you looking for a village read?
Giving you one of those feels funny

As it should. You've been around long enough to know that unless your name is CoffeeQuestionMark that having me as a solid village read without a (near) hard clear should be a red flag, lol. Either that or it's just been too long since I was an actual wolf.

 

[samac]

Current thoughts/leans:

I've got SAR, Sporty, and Genny as village, maybe d/t familiarity but nothing is raising red flags.

Imo Lucy and Mighty are not in a pack unless Lucy is a master puppeteer (idk Lucy at all, maybe?).

Zenge is mildly sus and I had D1 feelz, which means he's 100% a wolf.

PSV leans wolf, but seems too easy. Santy concerns me. Mighty has 1 post (long one) that made me feel better about them, but could certainly have been a coached response.

Is it just paranoia that changed with sporty or anything else?

 

[Stagg737]

Animal Midwife Trigger Warning: Tinfoil/blasphemy ahead.

Some other general thoughts from a more mechanics/flavor driven perspective. The no NK could have a few implications:

1. Wolves were somehow blocked/jailed. If all is taken at face value this heavily implicates Sporty and we should kill her with fire. That being said, Idk that it is true...

2. Wolves forgot to submit a NK. Yes, this is unlikely, but it happens and I have done this multiple times, one of which may or may not have been the night before a LyLo

3. There are mechanics in play that either prevented a N1 NK or require multiple nights for a NK to go through. based on the last paragraph of the write-up, I do suspect there is a reasonable possibility of this being true, which gives me pause in going after Sporty

4. AM Trigger Warning: There's a conversion mechanic in play and it takes multiple nights to convert someone. I've seen this in multiple games and I could 100% see this being viable if there was only 1 OG wolf. Most obvious move for a wolf would probably be to immediately attempt a conversion, which would explain the no N1 kill.


Thoughts on wolf numbers which don't require further discussion right now:
3 OG wolves with significant kill restrictions (unlikely, but possible)
2 OG wolves (most likely, would also be easiest game set up)
1 OG wolf +/- possible convert (possibly supported by N1 events)

 

[Stagg737]

Is it just paranoia that changed with sporty or anything else?

Zenge's claim with Sporty confirming it adds a big question mark to Sporty.

 

[samac]

Animal Midwife Trigger Warning: Tinfoil/blasphemy ahead.

Some other general thoughts from a more mechanics/flavor driven perspective. The no NK could have a few implications:

1. Wolves were somehow blocked/jailed. If all is taken at face value this heavily implicates Sporty and we should kill her with fire. That being said, Idk that it is true...

2. Wolves forgot to submit a NK. Yes, this is unlikely, but it happens and I have done this multiple times, one of which may or may not have been the night before a LyLo

3. There are mechanics in play that either prevented a N1 NK or require multiple nights for a NK to go through. based on the last paragraph of the write-up, I do suspect there is a reasonable possibility of this being true, which gives me pause in going after Sporty

4. AM Trigger Warning: There's a conversion mechanic in play and it takes multiple nights to convert someone. I've seen this in multiple games and I could 100% see this being viable if there was only 1 OG wolf. Most obvious move for a wolf would probably be to immediately attempt a conversion, which would explain the no N1 kill.


Thoughts on wolf numbers which don't require further discussion right now:
3 OG wolves with significant kill restrictions (unlikely, but possible)
2 OG wolves (most likely, would also be easiest game set up)
1 OG wolf +/- possible convert (possibly supported by N1 events)

1 OG with a multi night conversion would be really rough if they were yeeted D1 game over.

 

[Stagg737]

1 OG with a multi night conversion would be really rough if they were yeeted D1 game over.

If they got voted D1 do they really deserve to win?

 

[Zenge142]

Hm.

@Zenge142 let me know when you are up

Hello

 

[Zenge142]

Feel good about this

Do you? I felt like Lucy’s claim wasn’t unreasonable. Having multiple seems like a bad reason to vote there. It doesn’t make me wolf read Stagg I just disagree.

 

[SportPonies]

Did it specifically say you were jailed/directly say you couldn't do anything?

It was clear the flsvor was jailing

@SportPonies did you have a visitor last night

Yes I already confirmed this, but you probably haven’t gotten to my back/forth with genny I guess

 

[samac]

I may not fully catch up today and close is going to be iffy. Got offered a moonlighting shift from 5p-10p and since half my roof blew off in the recent wind storm we had and I have a 5 grand deductible I’m taking all the work I can find.

 

[samac]

Do you? I felt like Lucy’s claim wasn’t unreasonable. Having multiple seems like a bad reason to vote there. It doesn’t make me wolf read Stagg I just disagree.

Oh I wasn’t clear there. I meant I felt good about stagg.

 

[samac]

It was clear the flsvor was jailing


Yes I already confirmed this, but you probably haven’t gotten to my back/forth with genny I guess

Definitely have not.
I’m interested in why the visitor went through before the jailing. Interesting

 

[samac]

Day 1 Sea Urchin tally

stagg (1) - genny
genny () -
mightyrunner (3) - PSV, Zenge, stagg
Zenge () -
lucy (1) -
PSV (4) - SAR, Santy, Clem, sporty
Sporty (1) - mighty
clem ()
SAR(1) - lucy

Day 1 closes TODAY, March 4th, at 10 pm EST (9 pm CT, 8 pm MT, 7 pm Fantasyland) (~9 min remain)

WINNING: @potentialsheltervet

*Pls tag me if I missed anything*

Also I know there’s been talk of sporty being the major counterwagon on PSV but at 9:51 pm that wasn’t the case.

 

[samac]

I'm really starting to think PSV and myself may have similar abilities, and a yeet if either of us would be a big mistake. My ability is also helpful but can only be used once

Cool bro learn anything

 

[samac]

I know its not in my best interest to try to deter the PSV train, but I'm really feeling that we are making a mistake with PSV and myself being the main yeets. I know how bad this will look if PSV turns wolf, but I have to say it

Bleh why is this village-y

 

[samac]

I'm hoping to be around a bit more now that things are settling in. And my dedication to helping fellow wolves reach their final destination should be remembered. If I ever perma-retire I'll await my lifetime achievement award...

I won my last wolf game with a bus.
Lawpy was delighted and I felt so sad and bad. I don’t get the appeal.

 

[samac]

Day 1 - Sakizuki

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Killing must feel good to God too. He does it all the time. And are we not created in his image?

A man awakens in the dark, surrounded by bodies. He tries to stand, but his limbs are stiff. His skin tears as he pulls against the threads that connect him to his dead companions. The mural is broken. He screams in pain. He can only think of escape, an animal panic taking over his mind. It makes him reckless as he runs. He doesn't see the cliff until it is too late.

~~~~~

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There is no God.
Well, certainly not with that attitude.

This man before her, who was once her friend, her colleague, is someone she does not recognize anymore. He is dangerous. She can feel it. And she knows something else too - she knows he is the reason Will Graham is locked up where he doesn't belong. She gazes into his cold eyes and shudders at the monster that stares back. Yet still, something about him interests her. Because she also believes that he cares for Will. That he truly thinks he is doing what is best for his...friend. It fascinates her. But not enough to entice her to stick around.

~~~~~

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Will languishes in his cell. Everyone who visits wants something from him. Solve a case. Relieve their guilt. Tell them what they want to hear. Or, in Chilton's case, let his brain be picked apart, his very essence analyzed, and turned into some book for people to gasp over. Make him famous. Will agrees to take truth serum for Chilton, thinking it might help bring to the surface the memories that he is convinced Hannibal has suppressed. But, it seems, this is not entirely up to him. The FBI hears of the plan, and puts it to an end.

Spoiler: Dead is...

]@potentialsheltervet, who was the Truth Serum, a 1x affiliation seer

The traumatized are unpredictable, because we know we can survive


9 players remain

1. @Santygrass
3. @lucy.
4. @Clem J
5. @SARdoghandler
6. @genny
7. @Stagg737
8. @mightyrunner7
10. @Zenge142
14. @SportPonies

Dead
2. @potentialsheltervet - The Truth Serum - 1x seer

Subs
1. @Dinashadow
2. @samac
3. @holdthemayo
4. @WonderingStudent
5. @Animal Midwife

Tots
1. @Lawpy
2. @chicandtoughness
3. @miranda920
4. @VeggieTrex
5. @Viscernable
6. @PlumPoppy
7. @Wondalfy
8. @matthirten13
9. @futuredogtor614
13. @Barkley13
utc. @supershorty

It is now Night 1. Deadline is 10am EST, earlier if all actions are received.
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Oh that is Raul

 

[samac]

Don't come for me Zenge, sometimes we make mistakes but with my name being thrown around I'm not moving my vote without full belief in a claim when I was on the board at the time.

Huh.

Can someone point me towards a SAR wolf game please

 

[samac]

Wow. Just a 🤔 sporty? Not a laugh react? smh.

Dill Issue is just pure comedy.

Want to make pickles but don't have the spices? Dill Issue.
Making potato salad and don't have the spices? Dill Issue.
Want to say Dill issue and don't have a D key on your keyboard? Ill Issue.

I laughed hard at this in my own little sub chat

 

[samac]

inb4 SAR, genny, and I all have the same tinfoil.

Pew pew?

 

[samac]

See I think of tinfoils as crazy possibilities, and I don’t think what I think you’re thinking is as crazy as you think it is?

Crazy would be…. There’s no wolf, just a black goo cult. Or the right combination of tourists visiting triggers someone to snap and start killing people.

Man I wish genny put thoughts into her role pm cause I can usually wrap myself in tinfoil and I’m not sure if the tinfoil everyone was softing is the same possible tinfoil in my brain

 

[SportPonies]

I’m interested in why the visitor went through before the jailing. Interesting

I’ve been tinfoiling about this, yeah.

 

[samac]

Hold yer horses, I just went to go do some stuff with my day. Motivation while growing humans isn't good, gotta take advantage when it appears otherwise the house will never be cleaned! Fair warning, what follows is a literal ton of WIFOM.

I mean, there are (obviously) many theories as to why there could be a no kill. Going to assume that it is unlikely a killing wolf pack would abstain from doing a kill n1. Flavour also doesn't sound like a night cancel, so putting those aside for now.

From PSV's flip and mighty's claim as well as a couple of claimed tourists, it seems reasonable that PRs (other than tourists) may be one shot. Obviously can't rule out multi-use but it seems a reasonable step to take. So, assuming that is true, if we have a one-shot jailer or blocker then I'd have expected some possible reveal so that information doesn't go down with the ship. If it's a one-shot protector, eh 50/50 for putting it out on thread but probably better out there.

However, sounds like actions are loud (another assumption, but reasonable I think given touristing is loud per genny). So if that's the case, it would be reasonable to assume that if there was an unsuccessful kill, it is likely that the target may have some idea they were targeted. So if everyone checks in and this didn't happen, then we dip into tinfoil. Are kills triggered by something, like the previous tinfoils of wolves being PGOs or something like that? Does the killing ability activate under certain behind the scenes circumstances, like a certain night or combination of PRs acting? Is this not a wolf game at all and "wolves" are cult or goo or ?? Is there a delayed kill mechanism that we just haven't seen in action yet?

Anyway, tl;dr is that you asked for tinfoil and I've got it! But I don't think it's particularly helpful to current game state as none of the tinfoils can be proven and might just be distracting at best

Wow jailer nail on the head

 

[samac]

I’ve been tinfoiling about this, yeah.

Do you have a thought on why?

 

[SportPonies]

Man I wish genny put thoughts into her role pm cause I can usually wrap myself in tinfoil and I’m not sure if the tinfoil everyone was softing is the same possible tinfoil in my brain

Oh, that reminds me. I was gonna ask if she had said something in her role PM about something she said on thread.

But now I can’t remember which thing that was

 

[SportPonies]

Do you have a thought on why?

They’re pretty far-fetched tinfoils so I don’t think I’ve got anything for you, sorry