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[Cyndia]

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I see the logic of waiting until tomorrow on stagg but I also don’t see the logic of a lady Godiva being an innocent child, and it was that weird role/action pairing that caught Finn out too. So I’m inclined to stay put.. I am disappearing for dinner with someone for a while, I should be checking in before close so just tag me if anything new and pertinent comes up.

 

[Ms Procrastinator]

Coventry is 60 miles from Cambridge. It makes sense that that’s the group Coventry would end up in. It’s about 100 miles from Yorkshire or London.
I just don’t get the innocent child thing. It doesn’t make much sense.

He says the innocent child part is that she got naked and exposed her innocent body.

 

[genny]

I'm going to go ahead and point this out in Gigantic, bolded, underlined text and ask those voting for me to think about why I feel strongly enough to push Alley. I'll also add that I will not be moving my vote back to Finn out of self-prez.

Why did you want to push Alley when you were tied with Finn, instead of "using your ability" OR voting for Finn? You felt strongly enough to push Alley over Finn, but you're not going to push there today?

Let me also state that I'd very strongly prefer not to have to role reveal tonight, but at least 2 non-village seem to be doing a pretty good job of forcing that hand right now...

What better use of an innocent child role than when you're in danger of being voted out? And wouldn't it be so very villagery to use that ability hours before vote closed, rather than hinting when we've got 15 minutes to go?`

 

[alleycat03]

I appreciate the interest, but you realize I've voted a wolf every day so far, right?

Youre tale anoyeth al this compaignye.
Swich talkyng is nat worth a boterflye

This isn't true though? Shorty voted DocE D1, you voted DocE D2, MKG D3, Finn D4, and Finn D5. So your VCA is pretty good, but you didn't vote for a wolf on D1 or D2. Just realized that when I was looking over the tallies intensely.

 

[holdthemayo]

I might not be on until after deadline, and I feel comfortable with my vote on Mayo. Not sure what to do about Stagg.

So you feel like the best move is to vote for a player who has been on a wolf *Edit* the last three votes, because you don't like middle English poetry?

About par for the course I guess

 

[holdthemayo]

This isn't true though? Shorty voted DocE D1, you voted DocE D2, MKG D3, Finn D4, and Finn D5. So your VCA is pretty good, but you didn't vote for a wolf on D1 or D2. Just realized that when I was looking over the tallies intensely.

Was I here D2? If so, I've been on a wolf every vote except that one.

I'm not shorty. Her D1 (and maybe D2?) votes are her own.

 

[Crayola227]

So you feel like the best move is to vote for a player who has been on a wolf every vote, because you don't like middle English poetry?

About par for the course I guess

You're the one doesn't like answering direct questions pertinent to game strategy, like if you're even post restricted or not. So don't cry about not getting village read.

 

[Crayola227]

Yo

Was I here D2? If so, I've been on a wolf every vote except that one.

I'm not shorty. Her D1 (and maybe D2?) votes are her own.

As a sub you're still going to be held responsible for her votes. That's the only way it can work.

 

[holdthemayo]

You're the one doesn't like answering direct questions pertinent to game strategy, like if you're even post restricted or not. So don't cry about not getting village read.

Have you asked me a direct question? You decided I had a post restriction after I had already made normal posts this cycle. Including color coded reads of the remaining players.

 

[Dinashadow]

since alley has admitted to giving stagg the fish and chips I'm thinking I'd be okay with giving stagg another day to prove his claim, although with what's happened with the wolves this cycle in terms of role claims I'm not 100% confident on that. But it's probably good to have somebody else on the board anyways.

unyeet stagg
yeet sporty

 

[alleycat03]

CORNWALL
Cyndia- She's contributing to the village and I think she is different from when we wolfed together last game. She voted for Vis D1 & D2, MKG D3, Finn D4, and Finn D5. That's some pretty solid VCA, but it's not impossible that she might have bussed looking at when she voted. I do like where she's been steering the conversation, and she's asked several questions that I've also had.

capri1722- I don't think I've ever played with her before, and she has been under the radar for me significantly. She voted for Alissa D1, Vis D2, MKG D3, Sunny D4, and Stagg D5. The only one that I see potentially being a bus could be Sunny D4, because she was an early voter on MKG D3. Neutral

Barkley13- Extremely good VCA. She voted for Sunny D1 & D4, MKG D2 & D3, and Finn D5. I also read her tone as village. Barks has tricked me once before when she was wolfing, but I don't see why she would vote for a wolf every single day as a wolf herself. She wasn't even late on the vote for any of them, she was either an early vote or a mid-day vote. I don't think that would be bussing unless she really wanted her fellow wolves to die, which of course makes no sense.

Dinashadow- She sussed me early on for no reason, which kind of rubbed me the wrong way, but I think she is a pro-village player. She voted for DocE D1, MKG D2 & D3, Sunny D4, and Finn D5. She is another person who has very good VCA, and I read her tone as village too. I haven't seen her wolf before, but I think her contributions to the thread are genuine and pro-village.

genny- Voted for Zenge D1, Finn D2, D3, D4, and D5. She was the first on Finn for several days, and she has that normal jokey tone that she usually has when she is a villager. She is also bringing up really good points about Stagg rn and leading the conversation. Cray's ISO of her earlier today made me feel a bit paranoid though.


PARTS UNKNOWN
SportPonies- Voted for SAR D1, Vis D2, Bread D3, Alissa then Sunny D4 (but keep in mind that the two wagon leaders were both wolves), and then Stagg D5. So she doesn't have great voting history at all. Off of the top of my head, I felt like she had been pretty absent for most of the game and hadn't contributed a ton. However, when I ISO her posts, she is game solving and some important points were brought up by her, including posts from previous sunny wolfing games. I don't know why she would work that hard to put suspicion on a fellow wolf if she is one. She also tied Sunny and Finn, and I think if she was wolfing with them, she would've been more careful not to do that and tie things up. But maybe the wolf pack knew they were going to lose one of them, so she decided to bus? Feeling very conflicted here, so I think I will go with neutral.

Crayola227- I think Cray is a villager/3P vig. I've said repeatedly that I am not a fan of who she tried to shoot, but I understand why she chose her targets. She is not playing anything like her wolf meta (which I've seen several times and feel pretty good at identifying). She also was the tie breaker between MKG and Bread on D3, and that gives her village points imo.

This is very frustrating to me because I have so many people that I think are villagers, and clearly they cannot all be village. My POE is still Stagg, Capri, MsP, Sporty.


Most wolfy to least wolfy

Stagg* I'm still wolf reading him, but I would like to give him 1 more day to prove his role
MsP
Sporty
Capri
Cyndia
Mayo
Cray
Samac
LIS
Genny
Barks
Dina

 

[LetItSnow]

The main issue with genny has been certain things she's done that seems village, like didn't she make a tie with mkg in it?

I have explained my reasoning so.many.times, but OK, here we go again. From a strategy perspective I was torn on which of the 3.
Keep in mind I didn't have a big wolf read on them, except a wolf lean on Alissa. And I also figured any of the 3 top wagons would give good data. So how do I pick one?

Alissa had also just popped on complaining about keeping up. And she was quieter. I had wrongly vigged shot Sunny in a speed game and she seemed to take it really personally. And Finn was also doing a lot of woe is me emotional manipulation. I honestly thought people would be less pissed off if I shot alissa and was wrong, and I was really unhappy about how the zenge shot was recieved, and I'm pretty sure zenge has taken that personally too. Also I trusted the people on alissa more than I did those on sunny or finn (at the time). I don't remember everyone but AM and Stagg and SP sticks out in my mind. Notice I said at the time. I also considered in reading thosr people how much I would like to know if they were correctly voting or not.

To summarize:
1) my personal biggest wolf read was alissa
2) I wasn't wolf reading Finn or Sunny
3) I trusted those on alissa more than those on Sunny or Finn
4) But those on alissa I wanted more data on
5) I was village reading genny and she thought more time would do nothing. That felt like egging on too because she knew the Zenge shot was a vig with certain timing, and she was one of a very few sussing Zenge, genny's smart and must have figured out starting N1 the vig was taking some kind of cues from her.
6) Only Alissa and Finn made it sound like being killed would be a blessing because they were having a hard time keeping up.
7) of the 3 alissa was also posting the least
8) of the 3 I thought alissa would be the least pissed

I put wolfiness > feelings for strat choices, but like I said I had more of a wolf read for alissa (as did the people voting there were also indicating I might add), so then factor in all the emotional considerations, and I couldn't justify going with people I trusted less' wolf reads that I wasn't wolf reading AND had all these downsides. Like, I'm not going to majorly piss people off to shoot someone I'm not even really wolfreading.

It isn't brain surgery how I picked. And obviously it only makes sense if you don't know any of the 3's Af.

I think it's time to move past going back and forth about it.

Everything you wrote there "makes sense".

That doesn't mean it's the truth.

At this point it's just up to people to decide whether they buy it or don't. Yanno?

 

[PippyPony]

Day 6 - BeWWare the JabberWWock - Vote Tally

Stagg (6) - genny, barks, sporty, mayo, capri, cyndia
Alley (0) -
Capri (0) -
genny (0) -
Sporty (2) - stagg, dina
Cray (0) -
Ms P (2) - samac, LIS
Mayo (1) - cray

@Stagg737 you are in the lead
11/13 players voting
Voting ends in 3 hours

 

[LetItSnow]

So this IC claim followed by "Oh, but can't activate it this turn" sure smacks of "I'm a villager rezzer, I just need one more day to use the ability".....

I can't decide if that's wolfy copycatting from Finn or if nobody would be that dumb to try the same basic tactic twice in a row or if the assumption is that nobody would believe the wolves would try that same basic tactic twice in a row.

 

[LetItSnow]

The real point is that we don't know if there's a seer, and she may have layed low with NKs, and we don't know if there's anything baked into the mayor role to deal with wolf disadvantages, like unseerability.

So the mayor role isn't AI. Which means you need to look at votes, actions, and posts.

Sometimes bad play is just a show.

Case in point, Sunny and Finn's excuses for not posting spreadsheets or giving reads. And if Stagg flips, this post restriction real or faked, and the himbo stuff.

I'm not that interested in samac rn. It just seems that way because she keeps doing stuff to wolfhunt that drives me nuts and I can't help myself when it comes to posting.

I don't think samac can go to end game is all.

Ok, but now you're playing low-probability odds.

(1) It would be a highly unusual game (especially given the various PRs we've seen flip so far) for there not to be a seer.
(2) Most commonly, a mayor is investigated pretty thoroughly early.

Given those - and I think they are fair base assumptions - I think it's unlikely samac was a wolf at the beginning. That's what I'm just making as a base assumption for me.

You can claim conversion, but I just don't really buy that samac has been wolfing all game. It would require too many low-probability things.

I don't hold the last comment (about samac going to end game) against you. I don't necessarily agree, but I can see it being a rational conclusion. But the first bit about worrying about her being a wolf from the get-go? I just don't buy it. Requires too many gymnastics.

 

[LetItSnow]

Mayo definitely said he was vomiting village meta, I will have to pull the quotes later I'm supposed to go to work and just reading before I start.

Interesting. That makes me side-eye Mayo.

 

[LetItSnow]

NAI because I could see you doing that either way.

Lol. I figured. I asked more out of curiosity.

 

[alleycat03]

So this IC claim followed by "Oh, but can't activate it this turn" sure smacks of "I'm a villager rezzer, I just need one more day to use the ability".....

I can't decide if that's wolfy copycatting from Finn or if nobody would be that dumb to try the same basic tactic twice in a row or if the assumption is that nobody would believe the wolves would try that same basic tactic twice in a row.

The reason he can't activate it this turn is because of me and my item though. So I know he's being honest about not being able to activate the innocent child because I'm the one who gave him the fish and chips.

 

[alleycat03]

I'm in between MsP and Sporty right now because they're both in my POE and I want to wait a day on Stagg.

I really don't know why MsP would buddy up so much to stagg if they were both wolves. That just seems like a dead giveaway. So either Stagg is a wolf and MsP is a villager, or vice versa. Maybe they're both villagers? But I'm just not seeing their interactions and game involvement like that. And if MsP is a wolf and Stagg is a villager, I'm not sure why she would help Stagg so much and defend him/help him avoid getting yeeted by being his translator. He would be an incredibly easy misyeet by the wolves if she wasn't his translator.


I keep staring at this tally too. It's so odd that nobody that was on MKG on D3 has flipped yet. And the only two people left on Bread that haven't flipped are of course MsP and Sporty 🤔

Day 3 - Am I Sitting in a Tin Can - Vote Tally

Bread (6) - mkg, AM, sporty, dubz, Ms P, alissa
Sunshine (2) - DocE, LIS
MKG (7) - Dina, capri, barks, Stagg, Cyndia, mayo, crayola
Barks (1) - Bobloblaw
Finn (3) - samac, alley, genny
LIS (1) - Sunshine
Capri (1) - Finn

Absent: bread

 

[alleycat03]

Yeet Sporty

I want to see the outcome of Stagg's flip tomorrow (either getting mod confirmation that he is the IC or him clearly not being the IC) before going to MsP, based on their interactions today.

 

[LetItSnow]

The reason he can't activate it this turn is because of me and my item though. So I know he's being honest about not being able to activate the innocent child because I'm the one who gave him the fish and chips.

Ok. I saw someone else (Cyndia, I think?) clearly recognized that. I missed it.

 

[Crayola227]

And then I asked you poi

Have you asked me a direct question? You decided I had a post restriction after I had already made normal posts this cycle. Including color coded reads of the remaining players.

Point blank last night. I was tired and couldn't remember. And I don't know if it's possible for someone to get restricted mid-cycle. It's WW anything is possible. But when given the choice to answer a question and resolve confusion, you pick confusion like 90% of the time for fun.

 

[Crayola227]

I think it's time to move past going back and forth about it.

Everything you wrote there "makes sense".

That doesn't mean it's the truth.

At this point it's just up to people to decide whether they buy it or don't. Yanno?

Sure, just people keep asking for my reasoning on alissa so there it is.

As far as genny, I dunno. It sorta depends how things shake out with Stagg.

 

[genny]

Sure, just people keep asking for my reasoning on alissa so there it is.

As far as genny, I dunno. It sorta depends how things shake out with Stagg.

I switched my vote to get our first wolf voted out, and you shot two villagers. And you want to wolf read me?

 

[PippyPony]

Day 6 - BeWWare the JabberWWock - Vote Tally

Stagg (6) - genny, barks, sporty, mayo, capri, cyndia
Alley (0) -
Capri (0) -
genny (0) -
Sporty (3) - stagg, dina, alley
Cray (0) -
Ms P (2) - samac, LIS
Mayo (1) - cray

@Stagg737 you are in the lead
12/13 players voting
Voting ends in 2.5 hours

 

[holdthemayo]

And then I asked you poi
Point blank last night. I was tired and couldn't remember. And I don't know if it's possible for someone to get restricted mid-cycle. It's WW anything is possible. But when given the choice to answer a question and resolve confusion, you pick confusion like 90% of the time for fun.

I also yeet wolves. Consistently.

You should try it. It's fun.

 

[LetItSnow]

I also yeet wolves. Consistently.

You should try it. It's fun.

 

[LetItSnow]

BTW, going to 12-12 means that Mon afternoon on I won't be around in any significant fashion for a couple cycles in a row (I work basically 6PM Monday until 8AM Wed morning with an 8-hr turnaround between shifts Tuesday daytime).

I understand why Pippy is doing it, but ... gonna suck.

 

[Dinashadow]

I keep staring at this tally too. It's so odd that nobody that was on MKG on D3 has flipped yet. And the only two people left on Bread that haven't flipped are of course MsP and Sporty 🤔

Yeah I'm confused about how that days tally went because sunshine and Finn definitely could've pushed Bread into the lead. I guess they could've been trying to play a long game to make their VCAs look slightly better or maybe they thought Bread would pull ahead in the end.

It does make me suspect there was another wolf on bread though which would either be MsP or Sporty like you said. The reasoning sporty gave for voting Bread was very hedgey and didn't make a lot of sense to me

 

[samac]

BTW, going to 12-12 means that Mon afternoon on I won't be around in any significant fashion for a couple cycles in a row (I work basically 6PM Monday until 8AM Wed morning with an 8-hr turnaround between shifts Tuesday daytime).

I understand why Pippy is doing it, but ... gonna suck.

I am also switching to nights tomorrow. Just sharing so people aren’t surprised when I’m only on 3pm or later

 

[holdthemayo]

And on he ran, he had no thought to tarry,
Came to the town, found an apothecary
And said, “Sell me some poison if you will,
I have a lot of wolves I want to kill
And there’s an alpha too about my yard
That takes my chickens and it hits me hard;
But I’ll get even, as is only right,
With vermin that destroy a man by night.

 

[LetItSnow]

I am also switching to nights tomorrow. Just sharing so people aren’t surprised when I’m only on 3pm or later

There's nighttime psychiatry?

 

[LetItSnow]

And on he ran, he had no thought to tarry,
Came to the town, found an apothecary
And said, “Sell me some poison if you will,
I have a lot of wolves I want to kill
And there’s an alpha too about my yard
That takes my chickens and it hits me hard;
But I’ll get even, as is only right,
With vermin that destroy a man by night.

Are you suggesting there's an alpha wolf? Do you have a REASON for that, or just .... throwing crap out there?

Honestly don't mean offense, but I hate that I'm forced to try and interpret your posts instead of just playing straight up. Tough enough with legit post restrictions, but then to have players intentionally making it hard. Ugh. Ain't nobody got time for that. I get that it's fun for you, though.

 

[LetItSnow]

Wait. Is Bread still in the game??

 

[holdthemayo]

Are you suggesting there's an alpha wolf? Do you have a REASON for that, or just .... throwing crap out there?

Honestly don't mean offense, but I hate that I'm forced to try and interpret your posts instead of just playing straight up. Tough enough with legit post restrictions, but then to have players intentionally making it hard. Ugh. Ain't nobody got time for that. I get that it's fun for you, though.

Same as Bioshock. If it's italics, feel free to ignore it if you don't like mayo-time.

I won't say it doesn't mean anything, but if I knew something vitally important (like a confirmed alpha) I would say so. That's why I made my case for Finn and mkg in normal prose.

 

[holdthemayo]

Wait. Is Bread still in the game??

No. They (Pippy) killed my brother.

I tore him up and fed him to the humans. As was his wish.

 

[LetItSnow]

Same as Bioshock. If it's italics, feel free to ignore it if you don't like mayo-time.

I won't say it doesn't mean anything, but if I knew something vitally important (like a confirmed alpha) I would say so. That's why I made my case for Finn and mkg in normal prose.

Alright. That's fair. Thanks.

 

[genny]

No. They (Pippy) killed my brother.

I tore him up and fed him to the humans. As was his wish.

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Spoiler: Mayo have you seen this?

Pancakes A Plenty

Last night rocked. There were more pancakes for the pecking than we could cope with. ****in’ hilarious. Me, Eliot, Mart and the boys doing the swoop thing. Had to watch the Hackney gang thoug…

pigeonblog.wordpress.com

 

[holdthemayo]

Spoiler: Mayo have you seen this?

Pancakes A Plenty

Last night rocked. There were more pancakes for the pecking than we could cope with. ****in’ hilarious. Me, Eliot, Mart and the boys doing the swoop thing. Had to watch the Hackney gang thoug…

pigeonblog.wordpress.com

Omg. I've been cloned.

And the clone has a blog.

 

[samac]

There's nighttime psychiatry?

People decide to contemplate suicide or use meth and become psychotic at all hours of the day

 

[Ms Procrastinator]

I'm in between MsP and Sporty right now because they're both in my POE and I want to wait a day on Stagg.

I really don't know why MsP would buddy up so much to stagg if they were both wolves. That just seems like a dead giveaway. So either Stagg is a wolf and MsP is a villager, or vice versa. Maybe they're both villagers? But I'm just not seeing their interactions and game involvement like that. And if MsP is a wolf and Stagg is a villager, I'm not sure why she would help Stagg so much and defend him/help him avoid getting yeeted by being his translator. He would be an incredibly easy misyeet by the wolves if she wasn't his translator.


I keep staring at this tally too. It's so odd that nobody that was on MKG on D3 has flipped yet. And the only two people left on Bread that haven't flipped are of course MsP and Sporty 🤔

Stagg will tell you that I translated everything for him perfectly. If I was a wolf it would have been easier to ignore him and let him die. I could have just come on late, but I came on bright and early yesterday and started translating for him. My defense doesn't really mean he's village though. I would have defended Finn a little more if I had come on earlier. Their roles just seem so believable! especially in PM. Even with stagg's explanation, the Lady Godiva thing seems weird to me. I feel like there are much better options for the innocent child.

 

[PippyPony]

Day 6 - BeWWare the JabberWWock - Vote Tally

Stagg (6) - genny, barks, sporty, mayo, capri, cyndia
Alley (0) -
Capri (0) -
genny (0) -
Sporty (3) - stagg, dina, alley
Cray (0) -
Ms P (2) - samac, LIS
Mayo (1) - cray

@Stagg737 you are in the lead
12/13 players voting
Voting ends in 1.5 hours

 

[LetItSnow]

People decide to contemplate suicide or use meth and become psychotic at all hours of the day

Well sure. I just didn't realize there were actual psych MDs available to deal with it. Sorta assumed they were just managed overnight by ED types.

 

[LetItSnow]

Don't yell at me, samac. My cardiologist crit care MD sister was astonished that we have (gasp) fluid pumps in vet med. So you can't get on me about not knowing nighttime psych was a real thing. 🙂

 

[LetItSnow]

Stagg will tell you that I translated everything for him perfectly. If I was a wolf it would have been easier to ignore him and let him die. I could have just come on late, but I came on bright and early yesterday and started translating for him. My defense doesn't really mean he's village though. I would have defended Finn a little more if I had come on earlier. Their roles just seem so believable! especially in PM. Even with stagg's explanation, the Lady Godiva thing seems weird to me. I feel like there are much better options for the innocent child.

I don't entirely buy the "If I was a wolf it would have been easier to ignore him" bit.

No way wolf-MSP is going to ignore him. What if the vote moves to someone else, the restriction goes away, and then you've got Skagg on your back screaming about how you ignored his PMs.

That argument doesn't mean anything.

 

[LetItSnow]

And btw, where are you going to vote tonight, MsP?

 

[LetItSnow]

I have moved from tipsy to "hydrated".

Beware.

 

[Ms Procrastinator]

I don't entirely buy the "If I was a wolf it would have been easier to ignore him" bit.

No way wolf-MSP is going to ignore him. What if the vote moves to someone else, the restriction goes away, and then you've got Skagg on your back screaming about how you ignored his PMs.

That argument doesn't mean anything.

I could have come on late and offer up some BS translation. I usually show up really late so I could pretend I didn't see it til then. If I had come on right before yeet close telling you everything I told you today would you buy it?

 

[alleycat03]

Stagg will tell you that I translated everything for him perfectly. If I was a wolf it would have been easier to ignore him and let him die. I could have just come on late, but I came on bright and early yesterday and started translating for him. My defense doesn't really mean he's village though. I would have defended Finn a little more if I had come on earlier. Their roles just seem so believable! especially in PM. Even with stagg's explanation, the Lady Godiva thing seems weird to me. I feel like there are much better options for the innocent child.

This right here is exactly why I’m not voting for you. It doesn’t make sense to me for a wolf to help the village that much.

Now who are you going to vote for??

 

[LetItSnow]

I could have come on late and offer up some BS translation. I usually show up really late so I could pretend I didn't see it til then. If I had come on right before yeet close telling you everything I told you today would you buy it?

You could have. And it risks getting called out as sus.

Whereas translating doesn't really cost you anything and mayyyyybe buys you a tiny bit of cred.

All I'm saying is that as a wolf, you're more likely to straight-up translate than hide it. So your argument that you could have ignored it doesn't wash with me. *shrug*