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Aprilthearab said:
Hold on. MsP has only played a few games since you and I have started playing WW, and she's been village every time. You and I have never seen her wolf. What makes you so confident in your read of her?
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This was the post that made me think that she had never been a wolf. (I was worried I had misstated).
 
Aprilthearab said:
Interested about a Dubz read being worth flipping if I die. She voted me because of a pingy post that I do agree was pingy. I know it could have been a wolfy jump on me to ride the sus, but for some reason, I don't really feel that way about it. She's certainly not tunneling me.
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Personally, I tend to read you wolfy and I think you can be an easy misyeet (i have this problem sometimes as well). Dubz voting you pinged me slightly, but as you said, she's not pushing hard for you yet. I have you in my neutral pile with a slight village lean
 
Aprilthearab said:
Interested about a Dubz read being worth flipping if I die. She voted me because of a pingy post that I do agree was pingy. I know it could have been a wolfy jump on me to ride the sus, but for some reason, I don't really feel that way about it. She's certainly not tunneling me.
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She's not. It assumes that if we got to a point where you're being yeeted and flipping village, that it's worth reevaluating. Not immediatly turning around and yeeting her, but reevaluating at least. Her pick up on your pings felt like a village!Dubz move to me, and shes good at picking up on your pings.
 
BobLoblaw78 said:
This was the post that made me think that she had never been a wolf. (I was worried I had misstated).
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Ah. April and sunshine are relatively newer so their window hasn't allowed for a wolf!MsP game yet. But she has wolfed multiple times and most recently did so in 2020.
 
DocEspana said:
You LITERALLY cannot read posts. I can't be held responsible for your inability to respond to what I actually said and I'm just flabbergasted that people are not calling you out left and right for just making **** up in your replies to me. The weird thing is I don't think you *mean* to do it. I think you're just cracking under pressure and just not paying attention to what's said.
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The same can absolutely be said for you. I would still like to see WHY you think Shorty's reads and posts are as horrible as you say they are, because right now I've not gotten that impression at all.
 
samac said:
It’s a 36 hour cycle. Why did you not wait until she jumped on the person as a “aha got ya!”?
That sounds like something that would have been better to call out after it happened then to plant that it could have happened....?
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@DocEspana cyndia just liked this in her catch up so it reminds me I don’t think you ever answered this? Why did you start when you did?
 
samac said:
My guess is he’s going to be here soon if stagg doesn’t show his face. And he’s going to work on not having 600 posts halfway through the game....right? :heckyeah:
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Are you expecting lawpy to have self control? :laugh:
 
@Aprilthearab

They were arguing that I was suspicious for saying SAR requesting a tie not happen was modesty (I forget the exact word that was used) and that it triggered my rule of elect those who don't want to be elected. if you want to be super picky, they didn't use the exact words suspicious, but I don't think anyone is going to critique my assessment of what they meant by the words they did choose to use. They criticized my opinion of electing the people who don't want it as contradictory... Even though my very first (on topic) post in this whole thread was about that theory. They then also said that you never know what'll happen if there's a tie. Both people could end up dead. That's complete nonsense. That's the sort of stuff that a amateur wolf says to muddy the water. There is a 0% chance that that is actually a possibility without the mod spelling it out. And we have a nice and kind and touchy-feely mod. It's almost a guarantee that it wouldn't happen on a lynch vote either and it IS a guarantee it wouldn't happen on a mayor vote with ANYONE (Except JDH)

Then they repeatedly stated on multiple posts that maybe we should be going after people who aren't that active. Even a passing understanding of how this game works will let you know that that is a tremendously bad strategy for the village. The strategy begins to get better as you get near the end of the game, but it is horrendous at the start of the game. I spelled that out. You can go ahead and Google werewolf/mafia strategies. It'll be there as a big mistake to not make.

That's just my take on "their takes are ****" component. it makes me not feel bad getting rid of them even if the next part is wrong: I've been very clear that my only strategy complaint is that the way they handled the first few hours rubbed me much more as a wolf trying to stir up coversation and many different votes. It was just so perfectly classic of an example. with that said, I have said it now like five different times, it is day one. It could also just be a coincidence. The only reason why I feel comfortable with this move is because of the stuff I wrote above where this person clearly is bad at this game and so I was paying very close attention to see if it was worthwhile to get rid of them. And as soon as they did something that *could* be wolfy I let go of ant reservations.

since then, they have repeatedly quoted my post and completely ignored almost every point I made. They would mistate my argument. they would say that they read my posts and then completely ignore my post said. I would request them repeatedly to go back to a very specific post they made and they acted like they had no idea what post I was talking about despite the fact that I literally told them where to look. they continue to not address the fact that they made two different very bad arguments, and they accuse me of misrepresenting their argument when it is them who is continually evasive. The fact of the matter is that you all probably know her, and you probably all find me very abrasive and loud and aggressive. Except, collective dandelions, This works. Because this forces people outside of their comfort zone. and I'm not going to stop doing it just because it gets people to reflexively go "this person makes me uncomfortable and I want to get rid of him so we can all sing kumbaya." Take the time and read the thread and then tell me how you feel.

You might feel like I am being overly hard on them, and I agree that I am. But they are the person who I feel most comfortable with losing if they end up being a villager. What I know you won't feel, is you won't feel like I have been changing my arguments at any point, disingenuous at any point, or doing anything other than saying the exact same thing every single post and having shorty misrepresent my argument every single time she quotes it
 
Day One - Green and Pleasant Land - Vote Tally

Capri (1) - AM
AM (1) - Ms P
Stagg (0) -
Sporty (0) -
Cray (0) -
Alissa (1) - Barks
Zenge (2) - genny, alissa
DocE (5) - April, Dina, zenge, alleycat, Shorty
April (2) - Dubz, Finn
Shorty (2) - DocE, cray
Ms P (1) - bobloblaw

@DocEspana you are in the lead
15/28 players voting
Voting closes in ~24 hrs
 
DocEspana said:
@Aprilthearab

They were arguing that I was suspicious for saying SAR requesting a tie not happen was modesty (I forget the exact word that was used) and that it triggered my rule of elect those who don't want to be elected. if you want to be super picky, they didn't use the exact words suspicious, but I don't think anyone is going to critique my assessment of what they meant by the words they did choose to use. They criticized my opinion of electing the people who don't want it as contradictory... Even though my very first (on topic) post in this whole thread was about that theory. They then also said that you never know what'll happen if there's a tie. Both people could end up dead. That's complete nonsense. That's the sort of stuff that a amateur wolf says to muddy the water. There is a 0% chance that that is actually a possibility without the mod spelling it out. And we have a nice and kind and touchy-feely mod. It's almost a guarantee that it wouldn't happen on a lynch vote either and it IS a guarantee it wouldn't happen on a mayor vote with ANYONE (Except JDH)

Then they repeatedly stated on multiple posts that maybe we should be going after people who aren't that active. Even a passing understanding of how this game works will let you know that that is a tremendously bad strategy for the village. The strategy begins to get better as you get near the end of the game, but it is horrendous at the start of the game. I spelled that out. You can go ahead and Google werewolf/mafia strategies. It'll be there as a big mistake to not make.

That's just my take on "their takes are ****" component. it makes me not feel bad getting rid of them even if the next part is wrong: I've been very clear that my only strategy complaint is that the way they handled the first few hours rubbed me much more as a wolf trying to stir up coversation and many different votes. It was just so perfectly classic of an example. with that said, I have said it now like five different times, it is day one. It could also just be a coincidence. The only reason why I feel comfortable with this move is because of the stuff I wrote above where this person clearly is bad at this game and so I was paying very close attention to see if it was worthwhile to get rid of them. And as soon as they did something that *could* be wolfy I let go of ant reservations.

since then, they have repeatedly quoted my post and completely ignored almost every point I made. They would mistate my argument. they would say that they read my posts and then completely ignore my post said. I would request them repeatedly to go back to a very specific post they made and they acted like they had no idea what post I was talking about despite the fact that I literally told them where to look. they continue to not address the fact that they made two different very bad arguments, and they accuse me of misrepresenting their argument when it is them who is continually evasive. The fact of the matter is that you all probably know her, and you probably all find me very abrasive and loud and aggressive. Except, collective dandelions, This works. Because this forces people outside of their comfort zone. and I'm not going to stop doing it just because it gets people to reflexively go "this person makes me uncomfortable and I want to get rid of him so we can all sing kumbaya." Take the time and read the thread and then tell me how you feel.

You might feel like I am being overly hard on them, and I agree that I am. But they are the person who I feel most comfortable with losing if they end up being a villager. What I know you won't feel, is you won't feel like I have been changing my arguments at any point, disingenuous at any point, or doing anything other than saying the exact same thing every single post and having shorty misrepresent my argument every single time she quotes it
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I don’t know you, but maybe others can chime in. Is your village play just tunneling one person?
I understand some of your points, but there are other aspects happening in the game than just shorty. Ya reading anything else?
 
DocEspana said:
@Aprilthearab

They were arguing that I was suspicious for saying SAR requesting a tie not happen was modesty (I forget the exact word that was used) and that it triggered my rule of elect those who don't want to be elected. if you want to be super picky, they didn't use the exact words suspicious, but I don't think anyone is going to critique my assessment of what they meant by the words they did choose to use. They criticized my opinion of electing the people who don't want it as contradictory... Even though my very first (on topic) post in this whole thread was about that theory. They then also said that you never know what'll happen if there's a tie. Both people could end up dead. That's complete nonsense. That's the sort of stuff that a amateur wolf says to muddy the water. There is a 0% chance that that is actually a possibility without the mod spelling it out. And we have a nice and kind and touchy-feely mod. It's almost a guarantee that it wouldn't happen on a lynch vote either and it IS a guarantee it wouldn't happen on a mayor vote with ANYONE (Except JDH)

Then they repeatedly stated on multiple posts that maybe we should be going after people who aren't that active. Even a passing understanding of how this game works will let you know that that is a tremendously bad strategy for the village. The strategy begins to get better as you get near the end of the game, but it is horrendous at the start of the game. I spelled that out. You can go ahead and Google werewolf/mafia strategies. It'll be there as a big mistake to not make.

That's just my take on "their takes are ****" component. it makes me not feel bad getting rid of them even if the next part is wrong: I've been very clear that my only strategy complaint is that the way they handled the first few hours rubbed me much more as a wolf trying to stir up coversation and many different votes. It was just so perfectly classic of an example. with that said, I have said it now like five different times, it is day one. It could also just be a coincidence. The only reason why I feel comfortable with this move is because of the stuff I wrote above where this person clearly is bad at this game and so I was paying very close attention to see if it was worthwhile to get rid of them. And as soon as they did something that *could* be wolfy I let go of ant reservations.

since then, they have repeatedly quoted my post and completely ignored almost every point I made. They would mistate my argument. they would say that they read my posts and then completely ignore my post said. I would request them repeatedly to go back to a very specific post they made and they acted like they had no idea what post I was talking about despite the fact that I literally told them where to look. they continue to not address the fact that they made two different very bad arguments, and they accuse me of misrepresenting their argument when it is them who is continually evasive. The fact of the matter is that you all probably know her, and you probably all find me very abrasive and loud and aggressive. Except, collective dandelions, This works. Because this forces people outside of their comfort zone. and I'm not going to stop doing it just because it gets people to reflexively go "this person makes me uncomfortable and I want to get rid of him so we can all sing kumbaya." Take the time and read the thread and then tell me how you feel.

You might feel like I am being overly hard on them, and I agree that I am. But they are the person who I feel most comfortable with losing if they end up being a villager. Whaknow you won't feel, is you won't feel like I have been changing my arguments at any point, disingenuous at any point, or doing anything other than saying the exact same thing every single post and having shorty misrepresent my argument every single time she quotes it
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DocE has an uphill battle for sure to stay off the yeet list. I don’t think he should be yeet’d though. He seems to start and keep dialogue going. I think some of his takes are off but helps bring clarity to others by their responses. Or by making me assess more closely what I think. And he can always be voted off later, but I’m sure some world/time travel events can make it more difficult.
 
DocEspana said:
@Aprilthearab

They were arguing that I was suspicious for saying SAR requesting a tie not happen was modesty (I forget the exact word that was used) and that it triggered my rule of elect those who don't want to be elected. if you want to be super picky, they didn't use the exact words suspicious, but I don't think anyone is going to critique my assessment of what they meant by the words they did choose to use. They criticized my opinion of electing the people who don't want it as contradictory... Even though my very first (on topic) post in this whole thread was about that theory. They then also said that you never know what'll happen if there's a tie. Both people could end up dead. That's complete nonsense. That's the sort of stuff that a amateur wolf says to muddy the water. There is a 0% chance that that is actually a possibility without the mod spelling it out. And we have a nice and kind and touchy-feely mod. It's almost a guarantee that it wouldn't happen on a lynch vote either and it IS a guarantee it wouldn't happen on a mayor vote with ANYONE (Except JDH)

Then they repeatedly stated on multiple posts that maybe we should be going after people who aren't that active. Even a passing understanding of how this game works will let you know that that is a tremendously bad strategy for the village. The strategy begins to get better as you get near the end of the game, but it is horrendous at the start of the game. I spelled that out. You can go ahead and Google werewolf/mafia strategies. It'll be there as a big mistake to not make.

That's just my take on "their takes are ****" component. it makes me not feel bad getting rid of them even if the next part is wrong: I've been very clear that my only strategy complaint is that the way they handled the first few hours rubbed me much more as a wolf trying to stir up coversation and many different votes. It was just so perfectly classic of an example. with that said, I have said it now like five different times, it is day one. It could also just be a coincidence. The only reason why I feel comfortable with this move is because of the stuff I wrote above where this person clearly is bad at this game and so I was paying very close attention to see if it was worthwhile to get rid of them. And as soon as they did something that *could* be wolfy I let go of ant reservations.

since then, they have repeatedly quoted my post and completely ignored almost every point I made. They would mistate my argument. they would say that they read my posts and then completely ignore my post said. I would request them repeatedly to go back to a very specific post they made and they acted like they had no idea what post I was talking about despite the fact that I literally told them where to look. they continue to not address the fact that they made two different very bad arguments, and they accuse me of misrepresenting their argument when it is them who is continually evasive. The fact of the matter is that you all probably know her, and you probably all find me very abrasive and loud and aggressive. Except, collective dandelions, This works. Because this forces people outside of their comfort zone. and I'm not going to stop doing it just because it gets people to reflexively go "this person makes me uncomfortable and I want to get rid of him so we can all sing kumbaya." Take the time and read the thread and then tell me how you feel.

You might feel like I am being overly hard on them, and I agree that I am. But they are the person who I feel most comfortable with losing if they end up being a villager. What I know you won't feel, is you won't feel like I have been changing my arguments at any point, disingenuous at any point, or doing anything other than saying the exact same thing every single post and having shorty misrepresent my argument every single time she quotes it
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Let me be nice to them..... What are you going to do when you're from happy pre vet land and someone is drilling you post after post e wet time you reply? You're going to just reply quickly and defensively. It's all normal. Like I said, my vote stands only because I think they are the safest person to lose but I'm not encouraging any bandwagon on them. No idea why crayola agrees except that I do think my point is compelling.
 
samac said:
I don’t know you, but maybe others can chime in. Is your village play just tunneling one person?
I understand some of your points, but there are other aspects happening in the game than just shorty. Ya reading anything else?
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This *entire* conversation this engenders is REALLY the whole point. Get everyone talking.
 
Also now that I think of it. The main lady mentioned time and sending out for others. Will that explain ppl not being able to comment? Will there be ppl from different times? Could ppl be unavailable to vote out?

and what to make of the PM moving to London? Is there more to that?

now that I think of it, the ppl from parts unknown may be coming from other times and places. I hope so! That’s be cool.

I think whoever said to look for clues in the story was on to something!
 
BobLoblaw78 said:
Also now that I think of it. The main lady mentioned time and sending out for others. Will that explain ppl not being able to comment? Will there be ppl from different times? Could ppl be unavailable to vote out?

and what to make of the PM moving to London? Is there more to that?

now that I think of it, the ppl from parts unknown may be coming from other times and places. I hope so! That’s be cool.

I think whoever said to look for clues in the story was on to something!
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April can confirm this, long before the runoff when I thought SAR was going to win I speculated that she would move to London when elected. It just made sense as the prime minister works out of London.
 
BobLoblaw78 said:
Also now that I think of it. The main lady mentioned time and sending out for others. Will that explain ppl not being able to comment? Will there be ppl from different times? Could ppl be unavailable to vote out?

and what to make of the PM moving to London? Is there more to that?

now that I think of it, the ppl from parts unknown may be coming from other times and places. I hope so! That’s be cool.

I think whoever said to look for clues in the story was on to something!
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I don't have reason to believe anyone is restricted from speaking other than Cray at the moment. Stagg is a chronic abandoner as of late and many of the rest have checked-in but not said a bunch or are still withholding their votes (which is making things look a little emptier pressure/tally-wise).
 
Salisbury plain brought up pics of some Stonehenge looking thing. FYI.

What do you make of the Avalon reference? They have great cosmetics but what does that matter?
 
DocEspana said:
See:
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I don't really agree given it's D1 and the most people that will ever be in the game as present to analyze and interact with are here now. Like sure you can talk about someone, but just that someone alone can be dangerous especially if they're village.
 
BobLoblaw78 said:
Salisbury plain brought up pics of some Stonehenge looking thing. FYI.

What do you make of the Avalon reference? They have great cosmetics but what does that matter?
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salisbury is the location of the actual stonehenge

avalon is an island from arthurian legend

i think there are going to be interesting mechanics/plot points/characters uncovered related to different aspects of british history/culture/geography (we know there will be Mod-instigated events at some point, from the intro)
 
DocEspana said:
@Aprilthearab

They were arguing that I was suspicious for saying SAR requesting a tie not happen was modesty (I forget the exact word that was used) and that it triggered my rule of elect those who don't want to be elected. if you want to be super picky, they didn't use the exact words suspicious, but I don't think anyone is going to critique my assessment of what they meant by the words they did choose to use. They criticized my opinion of electing the people who don't want it as contradictory... Even though my very first (on topic) post in this whole thread was about that theory. They then also said that you never know what'll happen if there's a tie. Both people could end up dead. That's complete nonsense. That's the sort of stuff that a amateur wolf says to muddy the water. There is a 0% chance that that is actually a possibility without the mod spelling it out. And we have a nice and kind and touchy-feely mod. It's almost a guarantee that it wouldn't happen on a lynch vote either and it IS a guarantee it wouldn't happen on a mayor vote with ANYONE (Except JDH)

Then they repeatedly stated on multiple posts that maybe we should be going after people who aren't that active. Even a passing understanding of how this game works will let you know that that is a tremendously bad strategy for the village. The strategy begins to get better as you get near the end of the game, but it is horrendous at the start of the game. I spelled that out. You can go ahead and Google werewolf/mafia strategies. It'll be there as a big mistake to not make.

That's just my take on "their takes are ****" component. it makes me not feel bad getting rid of them even if the next part is wrong: I've been very clear that my only strategy complaint is that the way they handled the first few hours rubbed me much more as a wolf trying to stir up coversation and many different votes. It was just so perfectly classic of an example. with that said, I have said it now like five different times, it is day one. It could also just be a coincidence. The only reason why I feel comfortable with this move is because of the stuff I wrote above where this person clearly is bad at this game and so I was paying very close attention to see if it was worthwhile to get rid of them. And as soon as they did something that *could* be wolfy I let go of ant reservations.

since then, they have repeatedly quoted my post and completely ignored almost every point I made. They would mistate my argument. they would say that they read my posts and then completely ignore my post said. I would request them repeatedly to go back to a very specific post they made and they acted like they had no idea what post I was talking about despite the fact that I literally told them where to look. they continue to not address the fact that they made two different very bad arguments, and they accuse me of misrepresenting their argument when it is them who is continually evasive. The fact of the matter is that you all probably know her, and you probably all find me very abrasive and loud and aggressive. Except, collective dandelions, This works. Because this forces people outside of their comfort zone. and I'm not going to stop doing it just because it gets people to reflexively go "this person makes me uncomfortable and I want to get rid of him so we can all sing kumbaya." Take the time and read the thread and then tell me how you feel.

You might feel like I am being overly hard on them, and I agree that I am. But they are the person who I feel most comfortable with losing if they end up being a villager. What I know you won't feel, is you won't feel like I have been changing my arguments at any point, disingenuous at any point, or doing anything other than saying the exact same thing every single post and having shorty misrepresent my argument every single time she quotes it
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I think you mean Samac and not SAR. Not that it matters, I just want to make sure that's clarified.

It's contradictory because you said that was your policy but you still went against your own policy. It's just that simple. Actions speak louder than words and all that jazz.

I don't know why you're so touchy about people throwing around mechanics possibilities and game strategy opinions. If you think it's wolfy, fine. Say that and vote for them. Then move on to bigger things.

You're expanding so much on small interactions that, sure, might help you read those people, but it's really not worth throwing a **** fit over. And that's what I feel like you're doing. Call it wolfy, vote the person if you please, and move on, and read other people and other interactions. This is a huge distraction at this point. It's not pro-village to spend 90% of your posts digging into the same person over and over. There are a lot of other players and interactions to analyze.

This is a game. Not a pissing contest.
 
genny said:
shorty not wanting to get elected PM
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Doctor-Who-12.jpg
 
Aprilthearab said:
I think you mean Samac and not SAR. Not that it matters, I just want to make sure that's clarified.

It's contradictory because you said that was your policy but you still went against your own policy. It's just that simple. Actions speak louder than words and all that jazz.

I don't know why you're so touchy about people throwing around mechanics possibilities and game strategy opinions. If you think it's wolfy, fine. Say that and vote for them. Then move on to bigger things.

You're expanding so much on small interactions that, sure, might help you read those people, but it's really not worth throwing a **** fit over. And that's what I feel like you're doing. Call it wolfy, vote the person if you please, and move on, and read other people and other interactions. This is a huge distraction at this point. It's not pro-village to spend 90% of your posts digging into the same person over and over. There are a lot of other players and interactions to analyze.

This is a game. Not a pissing contest.
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Don't tell me how to play.

Also keep in mind what you all see something big is just me repeatedly reminding shorty that 1) she hasn't addressed my comment on her poor ideas. At this point I don't even care ant more about that but it was a recurring theme of my posts til now and 2) stressing that no matter how many times she argues the contrapositive, she's the one misrepresenting what I'm saying.

I'm giving literally everyone an out on this, including her, and no one wants to take it. That's fine. Ant conversation is good conversation. It's more data.
 
Ms Procrastinator said:
Not sure how I feel about a DocE yeet. He was right about getting yeeted D1 though
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Honestly even if he’s village if all he’s going to do is be toxic toward one person the whole game I’m cool with him getting yeeted. I’d like to see something out of him other than “shorty is a ****ty villager”
 
samac said:
Honestly even if he’s village if all he’s going to do is be toxic toward one person the whole game I’m cool with him getting yeeted. I’d like to see something out of him other than “shorty is a ****ty villager”
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My thoughts exactly
 
TelemarketingEnigma said:
One nagging question for me: wouldn't a good wolfpack have reigned DocE in a bit by now?
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DocE's meta is separate from any organized wolfpack and always will be. His behavior is still NAI for me but ultimately anti-village if he doesn't start talking about others in his POE soon.
 
TelemarketingEnigma said:
One nagging question for me: wouldn't a good wolfpack have reigned DocE in a bit by now?
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Not necessarily. Especially if it wouldn't fit his village meta to tone it down a bit. It's a great distraction and might even be a good place to bus if they feel like doing that. Kind of like how the Emojis wolf pack let Kras do her thing.
 
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