she pushed for PM. Was very active. Now nothing for awhile. Sounds like she had been active before. Posted many times at school/course but now nothing. Seemed to retract/not address one issue that was brought up. Went to bed at 1 and woke up at 6 am posting. So was very into it but now not???
out there stuff: maybe they selected two PM. One wolf and one village for runoff. She was keen on knowing royals/villagers, knew other stuff that was insightful then withdrew some. Seemed to be wolf pertinent/relative insight. Maybe she/wolves is unable to post during certain time period.
And the context to this is important in that it was after they came at me (gently) for saying my reasoning for voting in the runoff was flawed and I pointed out ive been very consistent about elect the unwilling except if I want it myself. They then responded back to my desire to elect the unwilling this way (vote was close at that time but my vote never actually made it a tie at any point). And I told them straight out that this was a very bad take
I agree it’s unlikely that a tie for mayor would end in double death, but it’s still something village would prefer to avoid - unpredictable, still a very slight possibility of death, and could very possibly result in no mayor being elected at all. What’s the angle for a wolf to say that a tie for mayor could result in double death?
Leans? Sure. People like Doc E give me the heebie jeebies with his play yesterday. His whole pitch to be PM gave me the willies. Cray's interactions with him also felt super weird. This post in particular pinged me. Like "Oh isn't it so funny how untrustworthy you are?! lol"
Possible pack mates? She was supposedly distrusting of him and then voted to give him extra powers. She "explained" why she voted for him but it wasn't an explanation I found compelling. She later questioned me for wanting my vote to be relevant rather than me throwing it away. And then when I answered her question she completely blew me off and refused to answer my question back at her.
So overall, not feeling super great about that. And I don't think she would have pushed me about my voting if I had just "fallen in line" and voted for DocE. In fact, I don't think she pushed anyone who voted DocE or questioned them. On the one hand she could argue "why would I question people on a vote that I agree with". Which is true, but on the other hand, it really does emphasize how much she wanted to get her candidate elected. It actually puts a much greater emphases on her push to get DocE elected, than her shaky explanation for voting for him supports. Not feeling good about that at all.
She also attacked MsP here for self voting and then not only didn't go after DocE for it, she voted for him and pushed people who weren't voting for him. It's a sketchy dynamic.
Overall, we still have 32 hours left in the cycle. A lot of player's barely posted yesterday and some didn't post at all. Most of the roster hasn't posted at all yet today. So there's still a lot left to be seen.
This feels like a lot of stretchy words to talk about only a couple people. Sounds like he wants to make up for not being super present on the thread up until now. "Hey look, I'm being busy doing villagey things!" It reads very similarly to the very pingy post in the bioshock game that helped me wolf read him D1. I haven't read his most recent wall post yet so I can't say if that gives off the same vibes.
Thinking of pack mates D1, although not inherently bad, is just giving me bad feels when we haven't had a single death yet.
I don't think Cray and DocE are wolfing together. Their interactions read more like old friends than it does wolfy. I don't think two wolves would be this openly buddy-buddy on the thread. Seems too dangerous.
it's also played a role in village losses though. people were literally claiming you as part of the "village bloc" in goats when that was... obviously not the case. I'm sort of in the middle on the utility of sharing village reads, but I think there are multiple ways to village well
Only genny thought I was in the bloc by the end. In addition, multiple people said I was not only not in the block, but deep in the POE. (Including every misyeeted villager.)
I didn't like his reasons for voting to elect shorty yesterday and when he was questioned, his defense seemed weak. Also haven't seen anything from him today that makes me want to lean him village
I’m making note that I’m really not a fan of the Cray-DocE interactions. I’ve never played with DocE before, but him basically putting words in Cray’s mouth and them being so buddy-buddy is giving me some bad vibes. I think Cray is too good of a wolf to be that obvious, but I also REALLY don’t like DocE’s interactions with Shorty either.
But people who are playing strongly pro-village (last game it was like Dina, Shorty, Lawpy, etc), are going to be night targets no matter what. The wolves are going to target the people who are doing significant wolf-hunting and contributing to game-solving, even if they aren’t spelled out on a nice “village” list by everyone playing. I’m not totally sure that listing someone as a village read on a reads list really paints that large of a target on their back.
If they're playing that strongly village, then why is there any need to put them on a list in the first place? What value does that add?
Village lists offer zero benefit in my opinion and come with a risk of harm. How large or small that risk may be is debatable... but it's definitely there. And that's why I don't do them. I think they just make people feel all warm and fuzzy about "participating" while actually adding nothing of value.
Yeah... I think I'm done interacting with you again. Getting sick of the high and mighty attitude and it's giving me the same vibes as French Quarter when you decided to act like I was stupid because I didn't understand a comment you made that turned out to be factually inaccurate anyways.
Maybe learn how to play without being condescending and rude.
Could be fishing. I also love trying to solve mechanics, but I wasn’t even thinking about them recently since there’s so many interactions and stuff going on roght now to read. Interactions and posts that are boring for wolves to analyze since they already (mostly) know affiliations, while mechanics-solving is always interesting to wolves.
(Not coming for your head, samac, just noting a slight wolf point)
I wanna know the point of the teapot.
I think at this point everyone knows I really like to mechanic solve, don’t get me wrong I’m keeping up with interactions.
Honestly not sure on that. Front and center roles aren’t everyone’s cup of tea and that’s ok. I’m not sure if it makes someone inherently wolfy. From my memory when I’ve played with Zenge as village he makes wall posts with lots of quotes and I don’t remember him doing that in Bioshock, but I wasn’t in the game at that point yet.
she pushed for PM. Was very active. Now nothing for awhile. Sounds like she had been active before. Posted many times at school/course but now nothing. Seemed to retract/not address one issue that was brought up. Went to bed at 1 and woke up at 6 am posting. So was very into it but now not???
Activity level tends to be NAI for MsP. It’s great when she posts and gives people a chance to actually read her but she’ll also be quiet and post only right before deadline even as village
she pushed for PM. Was very active. Now nothing for awhile. Sounds like she had been active before. Posted many times at school/course but now nothing. Seemed to retract/not address one issue that was brought up. Went to bed at 1 and woke up at 6 am posting. So was very into it but now not???
out there stuff: maybe they selected two PM. One wolf and one village for runoff. She was keen on knowing royals/villagers, knew other stuff that was insightful then withdrew some. Seemed to be wolf pertinent/relative insight. Maybe she/wolves is unable to post during certain time period.
Also, seriously props to Bob for his posts, he’s already seemed very experienced and knowledgeable for his first game. When I was in his shoes, I really felt like I was a chicken running around with my head cut off
I don't think Cray and DocE are wolfing together. Their interactions read more like old friends than it does wolfy. I don't think two wolves would be this openly buddy-buddy on the thread. Seems too dangerous.
I was getting the same feeling that their interactions came from mostly a place of being friends but not completely ready to discount them as w/w but putting it less likely for now
I’m making note that I’m really not a fan of the Cray-DocE interactions. I’ve never played with DocE before, but him basically putting words in Cray’s mouth and them being so buddy-buddy is giving me some bad vibes. I think Cray is too good of a wolf to be that obvious, but I also REALLY don’t like DocE’s interactions with Shorty either.
I wanna know the point of the teapot.
I think at this point everyone knows I really like to mechanic solve, don’t get me wrong I’m keeping up with interactions.
The one thing I’ll give MsP is that she was the first vote for herself.
makes me think that if she was in a wolf pack she might have gotten a packmate to do it instead.
I didn't like his reasons for voting to elect shorty yesterday and when he was questioned, his defense seemed weak. Also haven't seen anything from him today that makes me want to lean him village
Can you explain this and what wolfy motives there would be? It's not like we were voting to eliminate someone, just to elect someone as PM, so not sure what he would have had to defend?
If they're playing that strongly village, then why is there any need to put them on a list in the first place? What value does that add?
Village lists offer zero benefit in my opinion and come with a risk of harm. How large or small that risk may be is debatable... but it's definitely there. And that's why I don't do them. I think they just make people feel all warm and fuzzy about "participating" while actually adding nothing of value.
Okay, I think this is a valid take, it’s just not one that I fully agree with. Maybe I’m also biased because I love it when people say they’re reading me as village, no matter my affiliation during that game. That warm and fuzzy feeling from being village-read is probably influencing that. Post your village reads, don’t post them, but I definitely prefer when we have as much info as possible out in the open so we can build a POE and clear village bloc.
This feels unnecessarily abrasive. Also HEDGEtastic AF. You'd need to hire a whole team of gardeners to manage these hedges. "I could be wrong but I might not be. But also even if I'm wrong I'm still right!" That's what he's saying here. That's literally the argument being made.
Tries to justify it here:
Which is pretty hypocritical coming from someone who up to that point in the thread hasn't provided any takes at all. No wolf hunting. No reads.
There's that hedging again. Seriously get a gardener.
Charming.
I want to highlight this, because what's really interesting about it is that I was talking about Cray's strange, overly supportive actions towards DocE, and push to get him elected. But of course it's not Cray who's answering this, it's DocE himself, putting words in her mouth. He might be right, but regardless, it seems really off that they're so deep in lock step, and he's literally explaining her behavior here to everyone else. Also keep in mind that up to this point, Cray hadn't posted at all on the thread yet, so no one but Cray would have know she was post restricted. Unless that was shared in a group PM, like wolf chat. So it's especially interesting that he's going out of his way to answer for Cray and speak for Cray when no one else knew she'd been post restricted yet.
I mean, you're saying that she's playing "the worst" doesn't make it so. And there you go hedging again. Try committing for a change. Also, I haven't seen spectacular play from anyone, who's posted yourself included. I haven't seen some people's play at all, and some very little.
I'm putting this here for later, and want to make sure it is documented in case it gets edited after the fact.
Noting that Cray here is attacking shorty for trying to get more participation out of players.
Simultaneously at this point, DocE is still voting for shorty because she's been pressuring people to post. These two really are in lockstep in an unnerving way.
Instead of doing wolf hunting and looking for other leads, he's just arguing here in what feels like a very unproductive way. Especially off to not continue to be wolf hunting when just below he posts this:
So once again an unhealthy amount of hedging and once again the argument being made here is "I could be wrong but I might not be. But also even if I'm wrong I'm still right!"
Okay, but you didn't. I've just gone through your posts up to this point and other than bickering with shorty, where's the wolf hunting?
Okay, again, you say this and you're still here bickering instead of looking of other wolves and other options.
I have a feeling this tunnel is wofly. I was sketched out yesterday by the hinkey campaign to get more power. This arguing on the thread feels like a way to look active without actually doing anything that resembles real wolf hunting. So for now
The delivery and the tone and the fluffy wordiness is still making me cautious about Zenge but I do agree about a good portion of his points on DocE. I don't think the two of them are w/w. I still think the DocE/Cray interactions are not w/w and the hyper focus on that is wigging me out.
I realize I could be wrong about Zenge's wolf read (residual sus from the last game, just like I started out reading AM wolf in the bioshock game then came around to think she was village when I let go of the ggoats game). I really want to see Zenge reflect on people other than DocE and Cray. It would help me sort out if he is actually wolfing or if I've just got too much residual sus.
I feel good about staying on my DocE vote because he's still really irking me with his gameplay, and from what I understand, he's basically a policy yeet with how hard he is to read. I would rather vote out a potential wolf that could also be a really obnoxious villager than a potential wolf that can be a very valuable villager in the coming cycles.
Can you explain this and what wolfy motives there would be? It's not like we were voting to eliminate someone, just to elect someone as PM, so not sure what he would have had to defend?
It’s not necessarily wolfy motives but his reasoning was odd and when called out for his odd reasoning, his explanation was weird also. Something just seems off so I’m voting there
Activity level tends to be NAI for MsP. It’s great when she posts and gives people a chance to actually read her but she’ll also be quiet and post only right before deadline even as village
Honestly, not a fan. I don’t want to go as far as AM and claim that Cray is sheeping DocE, but I was hoping she had an original reason for sussing Shorty instead of just agreeing with DocE. But she’s also post-restricted so I’m giving her the benefit of the doubt and hoping that she can clarify her reasoning for her vote tomorrow
I'm not sure if DocE is wolfing or if he's just a villager with an ego problem, but his insistence on twisting everything I say really doesn't sit well with me. It's either wolfy or it's extremely misguided. The lockstep thing with Cray is pingy. I gather that the being rude is a standard thing for him. The misinterpreting is really bothering me though. I don't know that he and Cray are w/w - she sheeped him today, but I know when I was post restricted last game, it was hard to put together posts explaining my reasons, so I might cut her a little slack on that. She's a better wolf than just sheeping a packmate, which makes me think it's less likely her interactions with him are w/w.
Also, just for the record, it's perfectly possible to play WW without resorting to ad hominem attacks (or bragging about how that's your thing like it's something to be proud of), and I really don't appreciate being told how ****ty of a player someone thinks I am every other line. Regardless of affiliation, that's unnecessary. It's also not wolf hunting, and for how much DocE seems to think of himself, he's really done no wolf hunting. He's tunneled on me, and that's it.
I have village leans on TME (hedgy and mechanics talk is how she's played in the other games I've been in with her), samac, and a weak one on Barks so far. I want to lean April and genny village, but historically, my D1 reads of them are terrible, so I'm leaving them in neutral for now. Zenge is in my neutrals - he hasn't posted much today but I also know he's been super busy with IRL stuff. Leaning wolf on DocE because the twisting my words reminds me of wolf behavior I've seen from other people in other games.
This kind of thought process annoys me tbh. If someone doesn't have reads, pushing them about it isn't going to make them appear. And if it does then I'm actually more concerned they're a wolf because it's a heck of a lot easier to fake reads as a wolf than as a villager.
Or maybe I'm just going to forever be salty about the time I got voted out (Immunology game, I think?) because I refused to make up reads after repeatedly being asked for them.
I think pressuring someone to pull out reads on everyone on D1/2 is just going to get you bad, manufactured reads that make a villager look sus, but after a day everyone should have a least something to say about someone.
In addition to getting more content-based discussion going, asking someone to articulate that is helpful for pressuring wolves (makes them commit to manufactured reads earlier) and for helping villagers show their village cred. e.g., Z’s reasoning for his read on cray helped me feel better about him. I realize I’ll be eating my words on this if he turns out to be a wolf, but I think on average gently pushing people to show some work early just gives more villagers a better chance of recognizing each other.
Honestly, not a fan. I don’t want to go as far as AM and claim that Cray is sheeping DocE, but I was hoping she had an original reason for sussing Shorty instead of just agreeing with DocE. But she’s also post-restricted so I’m giving her the benefit of the doubt and hoping that she can clarify her reasoning for her vote tomorrow
Sure. It's mostly leans at this point considering the thread state but:
Wolfy leans:
DocE obviously.
Cray I don't feel good about, but it's possible it's a pocketing situation.
Alissa: I feel weird about for the vote switching, but since I've also seen her get misyeeted for that, I'm a little gun shy to push there.
Cyndia: I don't feel good about her lack of thread presence given this is how she wolfed in Bioshock.
Village leans:
Alley: I feel good about having just wolfed with her, so leaning village.
Shorty: Village leaning. Typical Shorty village play.
Dubz: Village lean, but if April flips village, it'll be worth reevaluating.
Dina and you AM: Village leaning, but more from feels than content.
I really hope you weren't serious about the "she feels different this game" thing because you've literally said that about her every single game you've played with her and she's always been village.
ask everyone else to elaborate on their every feeling and act on their thoughts and basically poke and prod others until they start a vote that the wolf can go "oh that's good. I'll also vote for them"
Eh, I don’t see pushing Z for his reads in that context as trying to goad him into starting a wagon she could jump on. It seemed like she was suspicious of him, and I don’t see a situation where wolf shorty would decide her grand suspicion-avoidance strategy is to vote with someone she was faking suspicion of earlier.
From my memory when I’ve played with Zenge as village he makes wall posts with lots of quotes and I don’t remember him doing that in Bioshock, but I wasn’t in the game at that point yet.
The one thing I’ll give MsP is that she was the first vote for herself.
makes me think that if she was in a wolf pack she might have gotten a packmate to do it instead.
I loved making fake reads last game when I was a wolf. All I had to do was follow who the sketchy people seemed to be, and then make sure I sprinkled in some sus of my fellow wolves. Now it’s so hard actually deciding how I’m reading people, because everyone seems to be very village-like right now.
This is a good point and also reads genuinely villagey to me. I still think it’s good to push for people to post some reads early, but it can be a double-edged sword, because if you apply so much pressure that villagers feel they have to post not just whatever their genuine leans are so far but fake reads for the entire roster, that just benefits wolves. Basically, it’s easier for a villager to sound village by posting genuine reads than it is for a wolf posting fake reads, but harder for a villager posting fake reads than a wolf posting fake reads.
I'm not sure if DocE is wolfing or if he's just a villager with an ego problem, but his insistence on twisting everything I say really doesn't sit well with me. It's either wolfy or it's extremely misguided. The lockstep thing with Cray is pingy. I gather that the being rude is a standard thing for him. The misinterpreting is really bothering me though. I don't know that he and Cray are w/w - she sheeped him today, but I know when I was post restricted last game, it was hard to put together posts explaining my reasons, so I might cut her a little slack on that. She's a better wolf than just sheeping a packmate, which makes me think it's less likely her interactions with him are w/w.
Also, just for the record, it's perfectly possible to play WW without resorting to ad hominem attacks (or bragging about how that's your thing like it's something to be proud of), and I really don't appreciate being told how ****ty of a player someone thinks I am every other line. Regardless of affiliation, that's unnecessary. It's also not wolf hunting, and for how much DocE seems to think of himself, he's really done no wolf hunting. He's tunneled on me, and that's it.
I have village leans on TME (hedgy and mechanics talk is how she's played in the other games I've been in with her), samac, and a weak one on Barks so far. I want to lean April and genny village, but historically, my D1 reads of them are terrible, so I'm leaving them in neutral for now. Zenge is in my neutrals - he hasn't posted much today but I also know he's been super busy with IRL stuff. Leaning wolf on DocE because the twisting my words reminds me of wolf behavior I've seen from other people in other games.
You LITERALLY cannot read posts. I can't be held responsible for your inability to respond to what I actually said and I'm just flabbergasted that people are not calling you out left and right for just making **** up in your replies to me. The weird thing is I don't think you *mean* to do it. I think you're just cracking under pressure and just not paying attention to what's said.
Eh, I don’t see pushing Z for his reads in that context as trying to goad him into starting a wagon she could jump on. It seemed like she was suspicious of him, and I don’t see a situation where wolf shorty would decide her grand suspicion-avoidance strategy is to vote with someone she was faking suspicion of earlier.
It's day 1. Literally any trend I see is going to get jumped on. And it is a wolf trend but it's only tjat. A trend. I'd be much more concerned about how they freaked out and became insanely defensive to the point of repeatedly misrepresenting their own posts and my comments (and STILL ignoring my only true criticism. Others have answered for them and they can't) all over a single vote against them.
Unyeet Stagg because obviously that pressure vote is doing nothing.
Yeet DocE because he's either wolfing or a villager who is so full of himself, he won't be helpful to the village because he can't see past his own deficiencies.
I really hope you weren't serious about the "she feels different this game" thing because you've literally said that about her every single game you've played with her and she's always been village.
Interested about a Dubz read being worth flipping if I die. She voted me because of a pingy post that I do agree was pingy. I know it could have been a wolfy jump on me to ride the sus, but for some reason, I don't really feel that way about it. She's certainly not tunneling me.
