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supershorty said:
What information do you think people should be putting on the thread, if you’re worried about identifying villagers but also concerned about identifying wolves?
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Until I am more experienced and smarter, less is more. But for instance, not giving away royalty people who were obvious reasons. Didn't want wolves chasing them down. Also, don't want chased down by wolves by being obvious villager.
 
genny said:
A fat furry creature in a funny hat threw me in jail last night, which kind of sounds like the sheriff of Nottingham... shook me down for coins first too. But if it is, does that mean a villager tried to kill me?
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Or it's all fancy wolf play :thinking:
 
genny said:
Or multiple packs.
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As much as I love tinfoil I don’t like going into multiple pack theory or conversion until something is proven. We used that to win in ggoats and it allows the wolves to throw out so much WIFOM.
 
samac said:
As much as I love tinfoil I don’t like going into multiple pack theory or conversion until something is proven. We used that to win in ggoats and it allows the wolves to throw out so much WIFOM.
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I think it’s more likely for me to be shot at by a villager anyway.
 
Ms Procrastinator said:
No one wants to know about the wolf I caught?
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I asked you about it here and you didn’t really say anything.
Zenge142 said:
I’m sorry, can you clarify this? Are you saying you know for certain that Bob is a wolf, and specifically the Cheshire Cat? Also if that’s not the case maybe give him more than 1/2 an hour to get back to you?

@samac I noticed you heart eyes reacted MsP’s post here. Do you have thoughts about this you’d care to share with the thread?
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Ms Procrastinator said:
Like samac says, he's been on and for quite a while too. I'll give him an hour or two though.
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Is there more you’d like to add now?
 
@Ms Procrastinator

I do think it is funny that you come crashing down on me for not responding in a much shorter period during the workweek, but took much longer to respond yourself when I called it out. And I didn't run for PM. I don't know if you are trying to throw sus from you to me, which again, gives me cause for suspicion.
 
BobLoblaw78 said:
@Ms Procrastinator

I do think it is funny that you come crashing down on me for not responding in a much shorter period during the workweek, but took much longer to respond yourself when I called it out. And I didn't run for PM. I don't know if you are trying to throw sus from you to me, which again, gives me cause for suspicion.
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You may want to turn off your last seen. Sorry your wolf buddies didn't tell you before
 
Ms Procrastinator said:
Why are you angry reacting to me?
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Because I hate what you're doing right now and specifically disallow it in my games. This is not my game, but my sentiments stand.
 
So I was on thread earlier (before pippy announced night close) and bob made this post (wait I clicked the wrong button).
 
Ms Procrastinator said:
cause there is a slight chance he was PMing someone outside of the game, but I doubt it.
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So if you are 99% sure and are wrong with poor evidence, does that mean you suck at this game?

There is 0% chance I was PMing anyone. I have only PM'd the mod. So yeah. You are throwing sus at yourself. I don't PM people in the game or outside of it.

So what is your response to that b/c I would like to hear it. Seriously, I PM no one on SDN. Now I think I am on to somethinG!!!
 
So I was on thread earlier (before pippy announced night close) and bob made this post:
BobLoblaw78 said:
Now I understand the phrase, "He is going to lose the crop"
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I decided to check him out and then I saw that he was in PMs 1 minute after he made that post (I found nothing wrong with the post itself I just wanted to ISO him). I found him being in PM sus so I waited again and about 30 minutes later he was in PMs again but he was barely on thread. So I asked him:
Ms Procrastinator said:
Does anyone on thread seem off to you? It doesn't even have to be on thread, it could be in PMs. PMs are a great way for people to fish for roles, especially out of new players. Has anybody you've been PMing seemed super fishy like they were trying to get info out of you?
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because he could very well have been PMing Barks, Capri, or dina. Right after I asked him about PMs he turned off his last seen. When he turned if off he still didn't come on thread and answer my questions. He seemed to turn it back on afterwards when I called him out on thread saying it was a little too late. When he did get around to answering my questions, he said that he wasn't PMing anyone in the game.
 
Ms Procrastinator said:
So I was on thread earlier (before pippy announced night close) and bob made this post:

I decided to check him out and then I saw that he was in PMs 1 minute after he made that post (I found nothing wrong with the post itself I just wanted to ISO him). I found him being in PM sus so I waited again and about 30 minutes later he was in PMs again but he was barely on thread. So I asked him:

because he could very well have been PMing Barks, Capri, or dina. Right after I asked him about PMs he turned off his last seen. When he turned if off he still didn't come on thread and answer my questions. He seemed to turn it back on afterwards when I called him out on thread saying it was a little too late. When he did get around to answering my questions, he said that he wasn't PMing anyone in the game.
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It's the turning on and off of his last seen when I mentioned PM that feels sus to me
 
BobLoblaw78 said:
So if you are 99% sure and are wrong with poor evidence, does that mean you suck at this game?

There is 0% chance I was PMing anyone. I have only PM'd the mod. So yeah. You are throwing sus at yourself. I don't PM people in the game or outside of it.

So what is your response to that b/c I would like to hear it. Seriously, I PM no one on SDN. Now I think I am on to somethinG!!!
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That makes you even MORE sus unless the website glitched twice, you were in PMs
 
BobLoblaw78 said:
So if you are 99% sure and are wrong with poor evidence, does that mean you suck at this game?

There is 0% chance I was PMing anyone. I have only PM'd the mod. So yeah. You are throwing sus at yourself. I don't PM people in the game or outside of it.

So what is your response to that b/c I would like to hear it. Seriously, I PM no one on SDN. Now I think I am on to somethinG!!!
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Thank you so much bob! Now I'm even more sure you're a wolf! If you had lied and said it was someone outside of the game I would have doubted myself a little bit
 
BobLoblaw78 said:
So if you are 99% sure and are wrong with poor evidence, does that mean you suck at this game?

There is 0% chance I was PMing anyone. I have only PM'd the mod. So yeah. You are throwing sus at yourself. I don't PM people in the game or outside of it.

So what is your response to that b/c I would like to hear it. Seriously, I PM no one on SDN. Now I think I am on to somethinG!!!
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Why did you turn off your last seen?
 
Ms Procrastinator said:
So I was on thread earlier (before pippy announced night close) and bob made this post:

I decided to check him out and then I saw that he was in PMs 1 minute after he made that post (I found nothing wrong with the post itself I just wanted to ISO him). I found him being in PM sus so I waited again and about 30 minutes later he was in PMs again but he was barely on thread. So I asked him:

because he could very well have been PMing Barks, Capri, or dina. Right after I asked him about PMs he turned off his last seen. When he turned if off he still didn't come on thread and answer my questions. He seemed to turn it back on afterwards when I called him out on thread saying it was a little too late. When he did get around to answering my questions, he said that he wasn't PMing anyone in the game.
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I go to PM to track down my role b/c it seemed the same as someone else's. Also to try to cut and paste terms from MKG that are abbreviations since I didn't know what vig and others meant. I have trouble finding MKG's post out of all the pages and posts.

My PM has never been off and I couldn't tell you how to. I could probably figure it out though.

You are wasting your time with me but go ahead. Unless you are trying to throw others off your trail. But I can see going after someone that voted for you, even if they are a noob.
 
I caught up during lunch but I don’t have time to post anything updated. Feeling a bit better about AM. I really got stuck in a tunnel yesterday. Will post more thoughts later

unyeet AM
 
BobLoblaw78 said:
I go to PM to track down my role b/c it seemed the same as someone else's. Also to try to cut and paste terms from MKG that are abbreviations since I didn't know what vig and others meant. I have trouble finding MKG's post out of all the pages and posts.

My PM has never been off and I couldn't tell you how to. I could probably figure it out though.

You are wasting your time with me but go ahead. Unless you are trying to throw others off your trail. But I can see going after someone that voted for you, even if they are a noob.
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It has been off
 
Ms Procrastinator said:
Okay I have no problem admitting my faults. It seems I've been mistaken. He was just offline so long his last seen wasn't showing his last location, just the time. Whoops! Seems like I'm back to my chaotic, all over the place self again :whistle: :bag:
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Maybe a nap is in order
 
Animal Midwife said:
Not true at all in practice (and especially not last game). I've never once seen village win a game where people intentionally hide their village reads unless it was a broken setup that requires zero thinking like follow the cop.

I can't think of one player in that didn't share village reads in Bioshock. You even got yeeted that last day because your own POE was so unaligned with everyone else's.
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Vast overstatement to say that was why I was yeeted.

And it was mostly vet players like Trilt, LIS, Lupin who get me my toes by not putting all their village reads out there all the time.

I'm sorry but that was my experience, so on this one you don't get to say.
 
Yeah, I still want to hear more from the collective I mentioned last night, but since Enigma's dead, replace her spot with LIS.
 
DocEspana said:
As the mod of numerous games which, I am blessed to say, are nearly all considered excellent... I don't think it's a quirk of my game design that the only ones the villagers lost are the ones where they made early game strategy super easy for the wolves by giving away their suspicion list. Wolves were leaning on that suspicion list the whole game.

Look at protoman. They set up one of their wolves because people were saying before the game even began they were always suspicious of the person. They converted the mayor the round after everyone came out in mass to defend them against a random lunch vote (admittedly this was not early game). And they kept pressure up on one person the whole game under the auspices of "this person keeps escaping lunch vote since day 1". And it was megaman in a megaman themed game.

Seen similar stuff in pretty much every game I modded to be honest. Remembering nutmeg literally ruining WW for his wife carbon by being the wolf and the highest suspected person from day 1 and timing a seer VERY well on day 2 so he seered clean and no one ever questioned him again. Won that game too.

I honestly would be lying if I didn't say that I've also seen the wolves pounce on a list of suspicions and then squander that list. I feel like a list of suspicions definitely has a place in the game. 100%. But it involves nuance. Villagers have to communicate. But everything they say is useful to the wolves as well, PARTICULARLY early in the game. Being a mod x like 10 makes you very aware of just how much wolves succeed work using that info early and suffer from it late. But if they can use it very early to get everyone to give them a pass* - then you'll never look into them hard enough again.

*Thinking about the brilliance that was "the baker" from WW All-Stars. A wolf had a power to "tweak" rules in the game and after completely lying that they are "the baker" they used their power to create an item that did nothing called "bread" All because everyone kept calling them out early in the game and they decided to be like "didn't anyone get bread yet? That's from me! It protects you from death!". and I would just give the bread to a person who they knew they were not going to kill that night and who would not get lynched either. All of this because they knew everyone was inherently suspicious of them before they even opened their mouth to post
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Yes if we had been willing to bus harder in Bioshock..

Also what someone said about us using the lists to know who was doing good as a wolf and who was bad was spot on.

You don't have to vomit how you're reading every player every day, particularly village reads, is all. That's not saying people shouldn't ever talk about it.
 
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