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This is what I have so far. There are still so many people left it’s overwhelming to follow all the interactions.


Village leans

-Cray- usual sharp tongued / sus everyone self

-AM-usual pushy self, called out weird samac post

-Genny- usual jokey self

-Cyndia-agreeing with posts

-Bob law- seems sincere about not being in PMs, trying to hunt but noob

-Ms P- was reading her village but slightly unsure about the whole bob law PM thing





Neutral

-Shorty-Did seem off but made 1 typical full shorty analysis post

-Samac-weird rojo?, over the top oh no reaction to April

-Sporty- mostly absent but not unusual

-Doc E- was leaning village and no resistance to yeet, tied, but april wagon could have been pushed to save him though

-Finnick- passionate argument for good village play, quiet now





Wolf

-Zenge-Not much besides weird theme posts of nothing, Defending shorty, not as active as normal

-Viscernable- weird last minute unexplained vote on April

-MKG- seems flippant

-Bread- almost completely absent and not making jokes and puns, sheeped samac into April vote
 
Just looked sunny raged in apocolypse. Guess it’s NAI.
I went back and looked at Apocalypse too just because I wanted to see the comparison, and I don't agree that she really raged compared to what I've seen in other games. I saw a few times where it was clear she was irritated (and one instance of the shouty caps), but even when she was on the chopping block, I didn't get the same kind of sometimes-frantic frustration that I've seen from her as a villager, and that I've seen in this game.

I disagree with some of her reads and reasonings on them, but tonally, I'm leaning more villagey on her after looking at that game.
 
Maybe they were "changing" not guarding. Maybe changing from villager to wolf?
At least from a previous conversation I had with Pippy two years ago, she doesn't like putting easy-to-detect conversion hints in writeups. So if something were to happen, it'd probably be more subtle than that.
Also, it's like ridiculously early for a conversion.
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Been wondering about this. SAR makes sense with it being clear she was royal from not-winning the election, then the writeup hinting the queen was the one who broke the initial election. TE and vmh I don’t see a clear reason for. With an alleged 4th kill attempt on genny I think it’s likely at least one isn’t wolf-aligned.
Disagree with this interpretation.

Does this sound like 7 anti-village parties to anyone else? Or just 1 in each sentence being described with different pejoratives?
And this one.

I thought it was pretty clear that the blue poems were not written by Pippy.
 
What's weird is it doesn't say her ability or that she's vanilla
Not to mention, her role is formatted differently in the dead list. I don't think it's anything we can do something about right now, but it's good to keep in mind for future. (edited to clarify that the bolding below is not mine)
AVALON
@Aprilthearab - Robin Hood, item thief
@SARdoghandler - Lilibet
@TelemarketingEnigma - Margaret Thatcher, 2x executioner
@vetmedhead - William Shakespeare, write up modifier
 
Was there something I missed that made you specifically think the thief was from Robin Hood? I just remember you saying that Robin Hood was your first thought for a notable English thief, which makes sense, but I don’t know how that transfers to the Sheriff based on the thief apparently being wolf-aligned (and I agree it isn’t village, since the writeup on vmh’s death seems to hint that there is an antivillage thief). Couldn’t it be some other fat, furry, antivillage thief?
I had a write up hint and at first I thought meant nothing but once Sar posted about the teapot my wheels got turning and being in robinhood’s land and I started googling about where Robinhood was from and all that jazz. Turned out it was the north. I was pretty sure at that point that characters from Robinhood were around me. I tried to lure Robinhood out on thread, but Sar had realized too the universe around us and that it was fat, furry, and don’t leave off the tiny hat. It’s an important detail.
I’ll back off being so sure that the Sheriff of Nottingham is in the north if everyone else thinks I’m a blubbering idiot, but I will not back off him being in the game and most likely wolfy.

This is what I have so far. There are still so many people left it’s overwhelming to follow all the interactions.


Village leans

-Cray- usual sharp tongued / sus everyone self

-AM-usual pushy self, called out weird samac post

-Genny- usual jokey self

-Cyndia-agreeing with posts

-Bob law- seems sincere about not being in PMs, trying to hunt but noob

-Ms P- was reading her village but slightly unsure about the whole bob law PM thing





Neutral

-Shorty-Did seem off but made 1 typical full shorty analysis post

-Samac-weird rojo?, over the top oh no reaction to April

-Sporty- mostly absent but not unusual

-Doc E- was leaning village and no resistance to yeet, tied, but april wagon could have been pushed to save him though

-Finnick- passionate argument for good village play, quiet now





Wolf

-Zenge-Not much besides weird theme posts of nothing, Defending shorty, not as active as normal

-Viscernable- weird last minute unexplained vote on April

-MKG- seems flippant

-Bread- almost completely absent and not making jokes and puns, sheeped samac into April vote
Is it a rojo if it’s a PM with another player? Thought that was only wolf aligned.
I’ve also thought about Zenge’s lower activity this game but I disagree that he’s only done theme related posted. Why do you say that?
 
This is what I have so far. There are still so many people left it’s overwhelming to follow all the interactions.


Village leans

-Cray- usual sharp tongued / sus everyone self

-AM-usual pushy self, called out weird samac post

-Genny- usual jokey self

-Cyndia-agreeing with posts

-Bob law- seems sincere about not being in PMs, trying to hunt but noob

-Ms P- was reading her village but slightly unsure about the whole bob law PM thing





Neutral

-Shorty-Did seem off but made 1 typical full shorty analysis post

-Samac-weird rojo?, over the top oh no reaction to April

-Sporty- mostly absent but not unusual

-Doc E- was leaning village and no resistance to yeet, tied, but april wagon could have been pushed to save him though

-Finnick- passionate argument for good village play, quiet now





Wolf

-Zenge-Not much besides weird theme posts of nothing, Defending shorty, not as active as normal

-Viscernable- weird last minute unexplained vote on April

-MKG- seems flippant

-Bread- almost completely absent and not making jokes and puns, sheeped samac into April vote
I have been busy working to make dough...
 
Is it a rojo if it’s a PM with another player? Thought that was only wolf aligned.
Right, which is what it may have been. Hence why it’s noteworthy.
I’ve also thought about Zenge’s lower activity this game but I disagree that he’s only done theme related posted. Why do you say that?
That was my early note on him. And I don’t delete and start from scratch. I just add.
 
Right, which is what it may have been. Hence why it’s noteworthy.

That was my early note on him. And I don’t delete and start from scratch. I just add.
Well if it makes you feel any better I’ll say it again, pretty sure I was seered last night
 
What’s your read on Dubz?

These quotes are pinging me a little bit, like they could be an act.

Also, I understand the reasoning for Dubz voting for April. It makes sense logically. But it was also, in retrospect, a potentially easy thing to jump on as a wolf and make excuses for later. Considering Dubz’s lack of reevaluation of that position as the day went on, I have suspicions.

I know this was directed at AM, but just wanted to say I had some similar thoughts about dubz, mostly pertaining to the april yeet and the fact that it seemed like she seemed like she was hedging about getting off but never actually did.

Also her tagging me this morning asking to hear more was just triggering for me because of april in emojis, but I'm trying not to let that cloud my judgement.

I think I'm more interested in people who jumped on April later though. Vissy in particular who threw down her vote 10 minutes before close and acting like she was giving April enough time to defend. Then it seemed like she was trying to defend the april votes by saying this in response to me calling out the late april votes when she seemed like she was villaging for most of the later cycle

Early reads are more reliable imo. In my limited experience wolves tend to work really hard to clean up their act once there’s heat on them for their early posts.

Even though my issue was with all the votes on April that came almost towards the end of the cycle. My other issue with Vissy has been that most of her posts seem to be focusing mechanics, write-ups, or theories and not so much wolf hunting

Bread is also somebody who is on my radar. Since the game started he keeps coming onto thread saying he's catching up, but never posts content. When he did post some stuff yesterday it was stuff it was comments on things posted days before and wasn't really relevant to the current discussion.

Then he placed a vote for April, admitting he wasn't caught up, and that he was just following samac, so that weirded me out.
 
Day Two - Keep Calm and WW On - Vote Tally

AM (1) - samac
Alissa (1) - AM
Zenge (1) - Cray
Bobloblaw (2) - Ms P, DocE

still only 5/24 players voting ... *sad mod noises*
Voting closes in ~25 hours
 
Bread is also somebody who is on my radar. Since the game started he keeps coming onto thread saying he's catching up, but never posts content. When he did post some stuff yesterday it was stuff it was comments on things posted days before and wasn't really relevant to the current discussion.
It also bothered me that he was really only replying to cray's post AKA the one person who couldn't respond at the time
 
I'm finding myself more worried about the late April voters

I think I'm more interested in people who jumped on April later though.

I do agree that the late votes are worth focusing on and probably more of a priority, but the wagon as a whole is worth considering. If Dubz is village, she had good logic behind the April vote, so for anyone who sheeped her at all has a good cover if they're a wolf.
 
I had a write up hint and at first I thought meant nothing but once Sar posted about the teapot my wheels got turning and being in robinhood’s land and I started googling about where Robinhood was from and all that jazz. Turned out it was the north. I was pretty sure at that point that characters from Robinhood were around me. I tried to lure Robinhood out on thread, but Sar had realized too the universe around us and that it was fat, furry, and don’t leave off the tiny hat. It’s an important detail.
I’ll back off being so sure that the Sheriff of Nottingham is in the north if everyone else thinks I’m a blubbering idiot, but I will not back off him being in the game and most likely wolfy.


Is it a rojo if it’s a PM with another player? Thought that was only wolf aligned.
I’ve also thought about Zenge’s lower activity this game but I disagree that he’s only done theme related posted. Why do you say that?
It's only a rojo if it was meant for pack chat. Sometimes people use it for other types of similar slips, but in that case it should have some explaining details (like when I rojoed on thread Something meant for dead chat)
 
Also her tagging me this morning asking to hear more was just triggering for me because of april in emojis, but I'm trying not to let that cloud my judgement.
Still on that, huh? I was just tagging some of my neutrals to help me resolve them
 
To be clear, I stayed on april because she was the player I'd had the strongest ping for, and there was a chance her robin hood reveal was a cover.

I hedged on it because I get uncomfortable when votes I'm on gain quick traction, but at the time april hadn't given me strong enough village vibes to immediately change my mind.
 
Day One - Green and Pleasant Land - Vote Tally

Capri () -
AM (3) - alissa, TME, SAR
Stagg (0) -
Sporty (0) -
Cray (0) -
Alissa (2) - finn, capri
Zenge (3) - genny, sunshine, cray
DocE (6) - April, Dina, zenge, alleycat, Shorty, mkg
April (6) - Dubz, MsP, samac, Bread, DocE (this order might be wrong), Visc
Shorty (1) - stagg
Ms P (1) - bobloblaw
sunshine (3) - LIS, VMH, Barks
MKG () -
Stagg (1) - AM
samac () -
Visc (1) - Cyndia
SAR (1) - Sporty
just leaving this here to look at later
 
Oh and I have a question, @BobLoblaw78 where did you even get the idea to bring up conversion as a possibility in your first game?
Someone turning (conversion) has been brought up multiple times. It would have to be in this thread and/or the signup thread. I am pretty sure it has been in reference to previous games people have played with others or other conversations. Maybe the terms gave it away as well but I didn't see it after a quick scan of the list MKG left
 
Okay so I’m all for mechanics solving, but this is getting a bit extreme even for me. I don’t think I’ve read a single post all day that hasn’t been about mechanics.
I'm really struggling to find a way to say what I want to say in a non-snarky way

Uhhhh


I think if you would like the conversation to turn in a non-mechanical direction, the best way to help that happen is to make some non-mechanical posts yourself 🙂
 
Someone turning (conversion) has been brought up multiple times. It would have to be in this thread and/or the signup thread. I am pretty sure it has been in reference to previous games people have played with others or other conversations. Maybe the terms gave it away as well but I didn't see it after a quick scan of the list MKG left
Sure, I think someone mentioned it and I was like let’s not.
but this is 41 pages. You remembered someone talking about conversion so well you thought the mention of the word change was a conversion?
 
To be clear, I stayed on april because she was the player I'd had the strongest ping for, and there was a chance her robin hood reveal was a cover.

I hedged on it because I get uncomfortable when votes I'm on gain quick traction, but at the time april hadn't given me strong enough village vibes to immediately change my mind.
And it's a completely logical and reasonable explanation that I'm inclined to believe. I just also know how dangerous you are in a wolf position, so I get kind of paranoid. I agree with AM and Dina though that the rest of the wagon is a better place to start looking.

Since you also expressed discomfort with how the wagon built, how are you reading the rest of the wagon?
For Reference:
April (6) - Dubz, MsP, samac, Bread, DocE, vis, and I guess technically Cray, even though she was 9 minutes late.
 
The one thing I’ll give MsP is that she was the first vote for herself.
makes me think that if she was in a wolf pack she might have gotten a packmate to do it instead.
This doesn't make sense to me really.

People are starting to get a lil ridic on their theories of how a lot of people use pack chat. It's way safer to nominate yourself than implicate a fellow wolf like that, especially since people seem almost 50/50 on self nominationa being turn off or not.
 
Can you explain this and what wolfy motives there would be? It's not like we were voting to eliminate someone, just to elect someone as PM, so not sure what he would have had to defend?
Logic in WW always needs to be defended, even if the decision was what color underwear you put on this morning.
 
And it's a completely logical and reasonable explanation that I'm inclined to believe. I just also know how dangerous you are in a wolf position, so I get kind of paranoid. I agree with AM and Dina though that the rest of the wagon is a better place to start looking.

Since you also expressed discomfort with how the wagon built, how are you reading the rest of the wagon?
For Reference:
April (6) - Dubz, MsP, samac, Bread, DocE, vis, and I guess technically Cray, even though she was 9 minutes late.
Of these I'm least comfy with bread and vis, having interacted with cray in real time a bit in the wee hours of the morning I feel better about her. DocE is still DocE and I'll worry about him around day 5 if he hasn't caught a wolf or two yet lol MsP feels more in her village range even though I don't like the tactic from earlier. Not worried about samac.
 
Day One - Green and Pleasant Land - Vote Tally

Capri (1) - AM
AM (1) - Ms P
Stagg (1) - Shorty
Sporty (1) - Dubz
Cray (1) - samac
Alissa (1) - Barks
Zenge (1) - genny

7/28 players voting
Voting closes in ~33 hours

Day One - Green and Pleasant Land - Vote Tally

Capri (1) - AM
AM (1) - Ms P
Stagg (1) - Shorty
Sporty (0) -
Cray (1) - samac
Alissa (1) - Barks
Zenge (1) - genny
DocE (1) - April
April (1) - Dubz

8/28 players voting
Voting closes in ~33 hours

Day One - Green and Pleasant Land - Vote Tally

Capri (1) - AM
AM (1) - Ms P
Stagg (1) - Shorty
Sporty (0) -
Cray (1) - samac
Alissa (1) - Barks
Zenge (1) - genny
DocE (1) - April
April (1) - Dubz
Shorty (1) - DocE

9/28 players voting
Voting closes in ~30 hours ish?

Day One - Green and Pleasant Land - Vote Tally

Capri (1) - AM
AM (1) - Ms P
Stagg (1) - Shorty
Sporty (0) -
Cray (1) - samac
Alissa (1) - Barks
Zenge (1) - genny
DocE (2) - April, Dina
April (2) - Dubz, Finn
Shorty (1) - DocE

11/28 players voting
Voting closes in ~30 hours ish?

Day One - Green and Pleasant Land - Vote Tally

Capri (1) - AM
AM (1) - Ms P
Stagg (1) - Shorty
Sporty (0) -
Cray (1) - samac
Alissa (1) - Barks
Zenge (1) - genny
DocE (2) - April, Dina
April (2) - Dubz, Finn
Shorty (1) - DocE

11/28 players voting
Voting closes in a long while

Day One - Green and Pleasant Land - Vote Tally

Capri (1) - AM
AM (1) - Ms P
Stagg (1) - Shorty
Sporty (0) -
Cray (0) -
Alissa (1) - Barks
Zenge (2) - genny, samac
DocE (2) - April, Dina
April (2) - Dubz, Finn
Shorty (2) - DocE, cray

12/28 players voting
Voting closes in a long while

Day One - Green and Pleasant Land - Vote Tally

Capri (1) - AM
AM (1) - Ms P
Stagg (1) - Shorty
Sporty (0) -
Cray (0) -
Alissa (1) - Barks
Zenge (2) - genny, samac
DocE (3) - April, Dina, zenge
April (2) - Dubz, Finn
Shorty (2) - DocE, cray
Ms P (1) - bobloblaw

14/28 players voting
Voting closes in a long while

Day One - Green and Pleasant Land - Vote Tally

Capri (1) - AM
AM (1) - Ms P
Stagg (0) -
Sporty (0) -
Cray (0) -
Alissa (1) - Barks
Zenge (2) - genny, alissa
DocE (5) - April, Dina, zenge, alleycat, Shorty
April (2) - Dubz, Finn
Shorty (2) - DocE, cray
Ms P (1) - bobloblaw

@DocEspana you are in the lead
15/28 players voting
Voting closes in ~24 hrs

Day One - Green and Pleasant Land - Vote Tally

Capri (1) - AM
AM (1) - Ms P
Stagg (0) -
Sporty (0) -
Cray (0) -
Alissa (1) - Barks
Zenge (2) - genny, alissa
DocE (5) - April, Dina, zenge, alleycat, Shorty
April (2) - Dubz, Finn
Shorty (2) - DocE, cray
Ms P (1) - bobloblaw

@DocEspana you are in the lead
15/28 players voting
Voting closes in ~23 hrs

Here, take this tally or something as an apology gift

Day One - Green and Pleasant Land - Vote Tally

Capri (1) - AM
AM (1) - Ms P
Stagg (0) -
Sporty (0) -
Cray (0) -
Alissa (1) - Barks
Zenge (2) - genny, alissa
DocE (5) - April, Dina, zenge, alleycat, Shorty
April (2) - Dubz, Finn
Shorty (2) - DocE, cray
Ms P (1) - bobloblaw

@DocEspana you are in the lead
15/28 players voting
Voting closes in ~22...? hrs

new page, same tally

Day One - Green and Pleasant Land - Vote Tally

Capri (1) - AM
AM (1) - Ms P
Stagg (0) -
Sporty (0) -
Cray (0) -
Alissa (1) - Barks
Zenge (2) - genny, alissa
DocE (5) - April, Dina, zenge, alleycat, Shorty
April (2) - Dubz, Finn
Shorty (2) - DocE, cray
Ms P (1) - bobloblaw

@DocEspana you are in the lead
15/28 players voting
Voting closes in ~22...? hrs

Day One - Green and Pleasant Land - Vote Tally

Capri () -
AM (1) - Ms P
Stagg (0) -
Sporty (0) -
Cray (0) -
Alissa (1) - Barks
Zenge (4) - genny, alissa, sunshine, cray
DocE (5) - April, Dina, zenge, alleycat, Shorty
April (2) - Dubz, Finn
Shorty (1) - DocE
Ms P (2) - bobloblaw, AM

@DocEspana you are in the lead
16/28 players voting
Voting closes in 11 hrs

Day One - Green and Pleasant Land - Vote Tally

Capri () -
AM (1) - Ms P
Stagg (0) -
Sporty (0) -
Cray (0) -
Alissa (1) - Barks
Zenge (3) - genny, sunshine, cray
DocE (5) - April, Dina, zenge, alleycat, Shorty
April (1) - Dubz
Shorty (1) - DocE
Ms P (2) - bobloblaw, AM

@DocEspana you are in the lead
14/28 players voting... somehow we are going backwards?
Voting closes in 10 hrs

Day One - Green and Pleasant Land - Vote Tally

Capri () -
AM (1) - Ms P
Stagg (0) -
Sporty (0) -
Cray (0) -
Alissa (1) - finn
Zenge (3) - genny, sunshine, cray
DocE (6) - April, Dina, zenge, alleycat, Shorty, mkg
April (1) - Dubz
Shorty (1) - stagg
Ms P (2) - bobloblaw, AM
sunshine (3) - LIS, VMH, Barks
MKG (1) - DocE

@DocEspana you are in the lead
19/28 players voting
Voting closes in 4.5 hours

Don't expect frequent tallies from me this evening until further notice, because I'm unfortunately still dealing with this personal thing

Day One - Green and Pleasant Land - Vote Tally

Capri () -
AM (2) - Ms P, alissa
Stagg (0) -
Sporty (0) -
Cray (0) -
Alissa (1) - finn
Zenge (3) - genny, sunshine, cray
DocE (6) - April, Dina, zenge, alleycat, Shorty, mkg
April (1) - Dubz
Shorty (1) - stagg
Ms P (2) - bobloblaw, AM
sunshine (3) - LIS, VMH, Barks
MKG (1) - DocE

@DocEspana you are in the lead
20/28 players voting
Voting closes in 3.5 hours

Don't expect frequent tallies from me this evening until further notice, because I'm unfortunately still dealing with this personal thing

Day One - Green and Pleasant Land - Vote Tally

Capri () -
AM (2) - alissa, TME
Stagg (0) -
Sporty (0) -
Cray (0) -
Alissa (1) - finn
Zenge (3) - genny, sunshine, cray
DocE (6) - April, Dina, zenge, alleycat, Shorty, mkg
April (5) - Dubz, MsP, samac, Bread, DocE (this order might be wrong)
Shorty (1) - stagg
Ms P (1) - bobloblaw
sunshine (3) - LIS, VMH, Barks
MKG (1) - DocE
Stagg (1) - AM
samac (1) - SAR

Day One - Green and Pleasant Land - UNOFFICIAL Vote Tally

Capri () -
AM (3) - alissa, TME, SAR
Stagg (0) -
Sporty (0) -
Cray (0) -
Alissa (2) - finn, capri
Zenge (3) - genny, sunshine, cray
DocE (6) - April, Dina, zenge, alleycat, Shorty, mkg
April (6) - Dubz, MsP, samac, Bread, DocE, vis
Shorty (1) - stagg
Ms P (1) - bobloblaw
sunshine (3) - LIS, VMH, Barks
MKG (1) - DocE
Stagg (1) - AM
samac (0) -
vis (1) - cyndia
SAR (1) - sporty

vote close: 1 min ago

edited to fix a vote

Day One - Green and Pleasant Land - Vote Tally

Capri () -
AM (3) - alissa, TME, SAR
Stagg (0) -
Sporty (0) -
Cray (0) -
Alissa (2) - finn, capri
Zenge (3) - genny, sunshine, cray
DocE (6) - April, Dina, zenge, alleycat, Shorty, mkg
April (6) - Dubz, MsP, samac, Bread, DocE (this order might be wrong), Visc
Shorty (1) - stagg
Ms P (1) - bobloblaw
sunshine (3) - LIS, VMH, Barks
MKG () -
Stagg (1) - AM
samac () -
Visc (1) - Cyndia
SAR (1) - Sporty
I think its pretty interesting how quickly the April wagon builds looking at the tallies, and while I know there were a lot of tinfoils getting thrown around about robin hood, its just weird. MsP switched from an AM vote, Samac had hers on Z earlier and pulled it off, DocE self prezzed by moving his vote off me, and Vissy and Bread cast their votes for the first time on April, with vissy's being like 10 minutes before closing. Also worth noting that 2 of the 3 people that voted for AM are now dead
 
But you say her tone sounds different every single game. Why would this time make her a wolf vs it just being NAI?
The real issue with any change in tone, is what is motivating it and what is the player doing. I observed some potentially wolfy things that made me way more concerned this time.
 
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