Ethical Question

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Does friendship or affiliation with those who have committed a crime or broken a university rule override your responsibility as a student in the academic community?

Friendship does NOT override that responsibility. I am a representative of the institution that I attend, as is my friend a representative. If the reputation of the institution suffers, my own reputation suffers.

Maybe I'd feel differently if I owed the other student some enormous favor -- like he'd saved my life or something 😕.

Is stealing, hacking, bribing or blackmailing to gain access to unauthorized materials wrong?

Yes. If this is happening on a regular basis, this is not the kind of environment that anyone, especially burgeoning physicians, can thrive in.

Is merely benefiting from unauthorized access to the exam wrong?

Yes, it is wrong unless you come forward and explain the situation to your professor. Truth can get you out of a lot of morally questionable situations.

Would you approach this differently if you were not a member of the study group that had access to the unauthorized material but learned about it a few hours before the exam? or the day the grades from the exam were posted?

I would approach it differently. In the former case, I would probably tell the professor face to face the day of the exam -- ask to speak to him/her in the hall. The damage has been done in the latter case and the consequences will undoubtedly more severe for the student(s) in question.

Since, in this case, I don't have direct evidence of the cheating, I would probably not share names, but instead inform the professor that there was talk among students that there had been cheating on the last exam.
 
You should make this your response to any ethical question you are asked. For you, it sounds like the right answer and one that will help the adcom understand where you are coming from.
1) I never said I was a pre-med.
2) It doesn't strike me as beneficial to be dead honest about my psychological approach to ethics, I have to figure out which ethics are most likely to gain me sympathy from a program director in the future.

What do you think is the best tactical way of being seen in a positive light by a program director:
- emphasizing how being loyal to the hospital (and profit) is the most moral thing.
- emphasizing how being loyal to the interests of the patients is the most moral thing.
- emphasizing how being loyal to co-workers is the most moral thing.

E.g.
Pionola seems to have morals that are based more on loyalty to common good than the loyalty to her friend.
Panda bear seems to have morals that are based more on loyalty to his friend, and less to the loyalty of "common good" or bureaucratic good.

I think Panda Bear could come far with his exclamation, as it will probably be seen as a strength of character by some program directors, being honest enough to tell them how you side with your friend. They aren't dumb, and they know a lot of people think like that. The comments about how responsibility is a manipulative construct, would be too much honesty in my opinion. My cynicism would be way over the top, and I don't even know if I should include it on any application. I would have to write way too much before anyone would even begin to grasp it, unless it would be familiar territory for the program director.
 
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^My goodness, it must take you forever to put on socks in the morning. I think you exemplify why morals were created. If nothing else, morals make the questions a lot simpler.

I can understand your position, theoretically, but geez...life is just too short to spend that long considering ALL of the possible options that might result from cheating/not-cheating. The general rules of morality have sufficed well for me thus far.
 
^My goodness, it must take you forever to put on socks in the morning. I think you exemplify why morals were created. If nothing else, morals make the questions a lot simpler.

I can understand your position, theoretically, but geez...life is just too short to spend that long considering ALL of the possible options that might result from cheating/not-cheating. The general rules of morality have sufficed well for me thus far.
I swear to god that has nothing to do with morals. That has to do with the wicked tumble dryer. When it gets going, all of a sudden, a new dimension opens up, effectively pulling in just one sock, causing it to vanish in the mystery of the universe. How can I be blamed for having to search long for kidnapped footwear?
 
You got me interested. What is the fallacy?

Not a formal fallacy, but mistaken argumentation. By training and clinical practice, I use virtue ethics, principlism, and casuistry in my ethical reasoning. The fallacy of emotivist logic is that it implicitly assumes that it is impossible to cast value claims in true/false language. Alasdair MacIntyre wrote an extended, compelling argument showing how virtue ethics overcomes this kind of reasoning (the *extremely* condensed version: it can be shown that particular characteristics are objectively good for humans to possess (i.e., particular traits are virtuous, regardless of whether any particular individual wants to possess them or not), so a value claim can be cast in "true/false" language to the extent that the action in question produces this particular virtue. This discussion is fleshed out over several texts (After Virtue, Whose Justice? Which Rationality?, and Three Rival Versions of Moral Inquiry - I'm working my way through Dependent Rational Animals at the moment, but it's taken a back burner to fleshing out the classes I'm teaching this semester, so I can't add it to the list). Relativism, emotivism, and absolutism are all meta-ethical positions, and there is no point to ethical inquiry if one adheres to relativist or emotivist philosophy.

Translated into English → you don't like that emotivism states that right and wrong is a construct of the human mind. 😉

Not really, as that's not really an accurate picture of emotivism. 😉 Emotivism makes the argument that judgments are personal preferences (along the "Nazis? Ick poo!" kind), not that it is a mental construct.

But I am sure there are situations were a special action would bring about an outcome which is the best possible for everyone involved. If you want to, semantically, you could call that action, resulting in that outcome, for the RIGHT action.

Problem #1: Define "best", which has had a long and complicated history in philosophy.
Problem #2: This tends to be the consequentialist argument (and more specifically, the utilitarian argument), but is not the argument made by moral methodologies that allow for pluralism and *multiple* right human actions.

But as soon as there are some individuals who would benefit more from another strategy, there is no universal RIGHT, that would be YOUR mind telling you that e.g a utilitarian solution would be the right one. Is there anything in that statement you think is fallacious?

First, I'm not a utilitarian, and don't buy into the methodology. Second, the mere fact of benefit does not convey moral authority (especially when "benefit" is left vague - hypothetically, I could "benefit" everyone by giving them all heroin, considering its euphoric properties). Third, there can be multiple "universal rights", especially if one uses an agent-relative or pluralistic methodology. "Agent relative" is not relativism, it simply argues that one does not have to treat all potentially affected individuals identically (i.e., one can prefer friends and family members while still performing a moral action), and pluralistic methodologies allow for multiple "right" answers without yielding relativism or emotivism.

A quick "for instance" - let's say you have an extra $1000 and are looking to give it away. There are two immediate recipients: your friend, who needs the money to pay the rent and keep the utilities on, and the United Way, who can use that money for charitable ends and can benefit 50 kids. In an agent neutral system (e.g., utilitarianism), the utility calculus can generate a scenario in which the morally obligatory action is to donate the money to the United Way and leave your friend in a lurch (e.g., the benefit to the children outweighs the benefit to your friend, and the principle of utility argues that the *only* moral action is that which generates the maximum utility for the affected individuals). In a pluralistic and agent-relative system, however, there are multiple possible moral actions. Charity is an objective virtue (see Aristotle's Nicomachean Ethics for a much more detailed and nuanced presentation than I can present here), so it would be right for the you to donate the money. Friendship and fidelity are also objective virtues, so you would *also* be acting morally if you were to give your friend the money. Both scenarios make you more virtuous, and hence, are both morally licit and "universally right". Not all moral actions/decisions require "either/or" dichotomies, and moral complexity does not require moral relativism or emotivism.
 
Pianola seems to have morals that are based more on loyalty to common good than the loyalty to her friend.

Probably true enough. When in doubt, I'm usually in favor of turning over the ethical decisions to people who are in a position to make a judgment (often the community at large).

I think a more interesting question would be "What would you do if you were a school administrator/professor and a student approached you about an incident of cheating in your class?"

It's easy enough for me as a student to say "I'd put the decision in someone else's hands/let someone else's conscience deal with punishing the student." BUT what would you do if you WERE responsible for the punishment?
 
....Friendship does NOT override that responsibility. I am a representative of the institution that I attend, as is my friend a representative. If the reputation of the institution suffers, my own reputation suffers...

Your loyalty to a faceless, bureaucratic institution is inexplicable. I repeat, your medical school or hospital will sell you up the river at the first sign of trouble and at the slightest provocation in much the same manner as Duke reflexively threw those lacrosse players to the wolves a few years back.
 
Your loyalty to a faceless, bureaucratic institution is inexplicable. I repeat, your medical school or hospital will sell you up the river at the first sign of trouble and at the slightest provocation in much the same manner as Duke reflexively threw those lacrosse players to the wolves a few years back.

Maybe that's because I went to a small college. They've done well for me so far in the admissions process. Helpful pre-medical committee free of charge --> inteviews at UPitt and Vanderbilt in August already. Going to a smaller school, I've realized that that "oh wait, I AM the face of XXXXX" for the random strangers I encounter in my travels. If they think badly of XXXXX, they will probably think poorly of me as well.

It's probably different at larger, better-known institutions.
 
The size is irrelevant. Colleges look out for themselves. As Panda has said, they have no personal attachment to you. They will help you until it inconveniences them, and then they will toss you in front of the bus. Friends, on the other hand, are supposed to be there through thick and thin. That's why they deserve loyalty.
 
Maybe that's because I went to a small college. They've done well for me so far in the admissions process. Helpful pre-medical committee free of charge --> inteviews at UPitt and Vanderbilt in August already. Going to a smaller school, I've realized that that "oh wait, I AM the face of XXXXX" for the random strangers I encounter in my travels. If they think badly of XXXXX, they will probably think poorly of me as well.

It's probably different at larger, better-known institutions.

Step out of line, cause any problems, or force your administration to choose between their interests and yours and you will see how much being the "Face" of your institution really means.

Listen, when they ask you, hypothetically, what you would do if you caught a friend cheating, what they are really trying to assess is your level of activism. If you propose a solution where the you counsel your friend, help him get in touch with his feelings, and then implement a hugely bureaucratic solution which involves a lot of earnest meetings and grim conclaves of the Ethics Committee or the Honor Council then you demonstrate your inability to just let sleeping dogs lie, an inability that is greatly prized in academic culture. The idea that some problems don't need solutions, as in just letting the mother****er cheat without getting too worked up about it, would never occur to not only most academic bureaucrats but also to most of the SDN community who want to solve every single problem for everybody, no matter how trivial, with a complex arrangement of government agencies and carefully cultivated groupthink.

In other words, they don't really care about the possibility of a moral or ethical dilemma, what they really care about is that you aren't a maverick, a person who doesn't need a lot of hand-wringing and organized introspection to arrive at a bland, wishy-washy ethical decision. They are checking your level of "gutlessness," a trait that is highly selected for in medical school admissions. Trust me, they do not want independent thinkers or anybody who will rock the boat even a little. They want bland, non-diverse conformabots who will will parrot the dominant ethos of their institution.

If I'm lying, I'm dying.
 
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The size is irrelevant. Colleges look out for themselves. As Panda has said, they have no personal attachment to you. They will help you until it inconveniences them, and then they will toss you in front of the bus. Friends, on the other hand, are supposed to be there through thick and thin. That's why they deserve loyalty.

Exactly. My Alma Mater is always asking me for money for one project or another. Mother****ers, didn't I give them enough money when I was there? Higher education is just a business arrangement.
 
They want bland, non-diverse conformabots who will will parrot the dominant ethos of their institution.

Oh, the irony. Only LGBT African-American/Native-American/Hispanic-American Human Sexuality majors with conformist views, right? :laugh: My head is spinning.


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The institution probably won't screw me over if I don't screw them over, right? If I'm not the serial killer from hell who's been trash talking XXXX University, I suspect my XXXX University will actively TRY to help me succeed. Don't they want their match list to look good, too? My college sure has done quite a bit to help me get into med school.

As for friends and loyalty, some friends are loyal and others are not. I only have about 7-10 friends with whom a strong mutual loyalty exists...the other 563 that Facebook says I have are just "nice people." I suspect that most of them would probably turn me in, just as I would turn them in. I'm assuming that the person who stole the exam is not one of the 7 to 10 people I have trusted with my life and my secrets.
 
...Oh, the irony. Only LGBT African-American/Native-American/Hispanic-American Human Sexuality majors with conformist views, right? :laugh: My head is spinning...

And yet, all of those supposedly diverse students share the same faith in the dominant leftist and now completely ossified academic orthodoxy. It's superficial diversity at best.
 
Perhaps we need a new definition of the word friend. You are substituting acquaintance for it.
 
Hey Panda Bear,
Do you miss Graham W? So sad to see the liberal, Obama loving, single payer enthusiast leave the internet.

Do you think residency has changed him yet?

Do you mean Graham from Over!My!Med!Body! ?

He had a good blog and it was a good place to go see what The Man was selling. I think in some of his later posts however he started to show some cracks, some inkling that the Holy Underserved can be fat, irresponsible, and lazy and that to give them even more freebies might not be a good idea.

And his blog was completely sanitized for your protection which is why he could safely post with his real identity and a controversial guy like me could not. I'm sure his medical school would have approved of every article he wrote as 100 percent in compliance with their received wisdom.
 
Exactly. My Alma Mater is always asking me for money for one project or another. Mother****ers, didn't I give them enough money when I was there? Higher education is just a business arrangement.

Yes, it's a business arrangement, perhaps.

I like my school. I didn't appreciate it appropriately at the time. I sure do now. I donate when I can. Donating to them is like donating to your own reputation. If my school can help me succeed, maybe it can help others succeed too, and in so doing, improve its own rank.

What goes around comes around.

You certainly don't have to buy my sentiment. But it works for me.
 
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Perhaps we need a new definition of the word friend. You are substituting acquaintance for it.

Perhaps. I'm pretty sure none of my closest friends would hack into a computer and steal an exam. My closest friends have a variety of social, physical, neurological, psychological, and intellectual problems; but liars and thieves they ain't.

And see, I know that because I AM that close with them as friends.
 
Do you mean Graham from Over!My!Med!Body! ?

He had a good blog and it was a good place to go see what The Man was selling. I think in some of his later posts however he started to show some cracks, some inkling that the Holy Underserved can be fat, irresponsible, and lazy and that to give them even more freebies might not be a good idea.

And his blog was completely sanitized for your protection which is why he could safely post with his real identity and a controversial guy like me could not. I'm sure his medical school would have approved of every article he wrote as 100 percent in compliance with their received wisdom.

You sound like my dad. Don’t we need some idealists out there fighting for 'justice' ? I hope he continues on his path but I noticed the cracks in the foundation as well . . .
 
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