Fiancee's NP Aunt Lies about Being A Doctor

[DO2015CA]

Did you go through the reddit user’s posting history? I didn’t.

Have you ever been around people? It is completely believable that he would innocently point out that she’s not a doctor and they would go nuts. I pointed out to a good friend of mine that a brand new intern has more in-depth medical knowledge than a nurse, so that while the nurse is extremely helpful and knowledgeable about the practicalities of the situation and facility, the intern still needs to think about things before just reflexively doing what the nurse says. This was followed by several sentences about how nurses are amazing and absolutely vital to patient care.

She EXPLODED at the idea that an intern might know more medically than her and needs to make a judgement call as a physician and not just do what she says.

Some people (in general, though I have noticed it with a number of nurses) have a huge inferiority complex and will blow up at any perceived slight.

You’ve never been in a relationship with or known anyone who’s been in a relationship with someone who flips out over seemingly nothing?


Again, it is possible to tell someone there is a difference in education and not put them down. It is a basic social skill.

I think NPs are woefully undertrained and are a danger to patients outside of certain subspecialties, and yet when I talk about them to other people I am somehow able explain the differences without sounding like I’m ****ting on their entire profession. Some people are just extremely sensitive and ready to be insulted.

I agree about the intern scenario I have voiced that before and watched the complex unfold.

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[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

My above takes a 3rd route, ignore the situation. We don’t need to be a knight in shining armor for the profession when it’s a non-medical situation

That wasn’t my point. My point is that people are assuming the only things he could have done would have been to not say anything to insult her profession and her. There are a number of things in between, many of which are respectful.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

My above takes a 3rd route, ignore the situation. We don’t need to be a knight in shining armor for the profession when it’s a non-medical situation

But I agree that at a party it would have been reasonable to just clam up. I’m just saying it’s not really his fault if he said oh she’s actually an NP and then everyone blew up because she lied to her whole family, as long as he wasn’t trying to start **** (which he said he wasn’t—and if we’re not going to believe people about their intent then it’s just guilty until proven innocent and the whole thing is pointless).

 

[DO2015CA]

But I agree that at a party it would have been reasonable to just clam up. I’m just saying it’s not really his fault if he said oh she’s actually an NP and then everyone blew up because she lied to her whole family, as long as he wasn’t trying to start **** (which he said he wasn’t—and if we’re not going to believe people about their intent then it’s just guilty until proven innocent and the whole thing is pointless).

yes in my above statement said people are free to make their own decisions but are also free to live with the fallout. Speaking for just myself, I choose to bite my tongue in non-medical environments. I on the other hand urge all nurses (At work) that ask me about NP school to apply to med school instead. This is me fighting smart (I feel)

 

[Splenda88]

Some physicians are just chronic malcontents, it’s both a strength and a weakness and is likely one of the traits that drove you through medical school. Some docs will be unhappy everywhere. When I became an NP/DNP I thought I was going to be at the top of my field in nursing only to realize that in reality I graduated to the “lowest rung” of medicine. I soon came to realize that the lowest rung of medicine is far, far better than the highest level of nursing. Quite frankly you guys don’t know how good you have it.

How good do we have it?

 

[Splenda88]

So you’re generalizing an entire profession from a few extreme anecdotes. Seems legit. There’s nasty people in any profession including doctors.

Doctors (aka physicians) are the almighty...

 

[Splenda88]

But I agree that at a party it would have been reasonable to just clam up. I’m just saying it’s not really his fault if he said oh she’s actually an NP and then everyone blew up because she lied to her whole family, as long as he wasn’t trying to start **** (which he said he wasn’t—and if we’re not going to believe people about their intent then it’s just guilty until proven innocent and the whole thing is pointless).

It's amazing that people are blaming the individual who tried to set the record straight instead of the one who was lying.

 

[Splenda88]

I didn’t assume “the worst.” Based on the Reddit OP’s personal account, I’m going with the circumstance that seems most likely: that he wasn’t being tactful when offering his explanation to the family. If he made time to compliment NPs and emphasize how valuable they are during his explanation, do you think the in-laws would be so devastated and his fiancée would feel so hurt? I’d rather assume that the Reddit OP had a momentary lapse in emotional judgment when talking about a charged topic than assume that his in-laws are all insane.

Please carefully read the language that the Reddit OP uses. He mentions that he takes issue with the fact that his fiancée wants him to say to the in-laws that “noone [sic] is better than anybody else.” The fact that he’s reluctant to say this to the family implies that he thinks physicians are better than NPs. If he can’t refrain from including these sorts of negative value judgments in his Reddit posts, then I don’t see why we should believe that he was objective and diplomatic when talking to the family.

Is there any doubt about that when it comes to patient care?

We are not talking about individuals here. We are talking about professions.

 

[DO2015CA]

It's amazing that people are blaming the individual who tried to set the record straight instead of the one who was lying.

No ones arguing facts. Physicians are more knowledgeable and are better “providers” than NPs. There’s no arguing that. Those of us are just arguing that it wasn’t worth it and now they have to deal with the fall out

 

[VA Hopeful Dr]

No ones arguing facts. Physicians are more knowledgeable and are better “providers” than NPs. There’s no arguing that. Those of us are just arguing that it wasn’t worth it and now they have to deal with the fall out

It's why personal lives are separate from professional ones...

 

[M&L]

It is true though - about different levels of training . Was hanging out with a friend a few days ago . He is a nurse (anesthesia,masters degree level), and I am just an M2. And we were talking about a few medical conditions , and I realized that he doesn’t understand them . So we started talking about it , and he explained that nurses are not really trained to understand the pathophysiology of the conditions , cause and effect, etc. HE told me that . So I realized to my surprised that even as an M2 I know more about certain areas than he does (stuff we already covered, of course). But he is practically superhuman when it comes to meds, for example . But he told me that there is definitely a certain difference in the mentality and way of thinking that they are taught vs us, medical students .

 

[LoGo]

This is all just part of the circle of life. For example:

• insta influencers proclaiming basic health expertise
• basic health experts such as nurses bash the influencers and go on to proclaim they are doctors
• family doctors bash the nurses and proclaim they are some kind of specialist based on an overseas diploma or the fresh purchase of a dermatoscope
• Specialists see train wrecks and rather than bash anyone slowly allow their practice to be eroded

 

[mjl1717]

My 2 cents:

1) It takes a while to gain adequate "social intelligence" which does not occur overnight!
2)* Off the subject a little. Compared to N.P. A P.A. is a physician dependent position. Therefore less threat to the doc.
3) Silence is golden. Some may say this old fashion.
4)Even if one is a legend in their own mind. One does not have to always have to be a teacher. And definitely does not have to be a preacher!!

 

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NP's will always say "you only care about your bottom line" when we point to stuff like this, when in reality midlevels have probably helped fill a physician's pockets more than in the past.