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mSbehavin84 said:
hi vrybody... newbie here.

me going to med school also next year,

im thinking CIM. yea..🙂

is anybody currently enrolled sa CIM here? au2x!
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hi msbehavin84!
Welcome to the forum! 🙂
I hope to start too next year..good luck to you!
 
Any fil-ams going to take the NMATs in Manila in Dec? Just wondering bc i'll be going to Manila to take it.

To everyone taking the NMATs either in the states or in Manila, Good luck! 🙂
We can do it! God bless!
 
Naku naku ... nakaka-excite naman kayo !!

I am so excited na talagang makapasok sa MedSchool.

Inhibitory yung iba ha, pero excitatory talaga yung iba ... and to top it all off, sana merong gay MD classmate akong ma-meet, para mas bongga. O di ba? Para mas masaya !!!!

And ... I was in UST, UP, UERM last week, get this gals and guys, mas madaming cute guys sa UST MED !!! At ang babait pa. Pasok na pasok na nga ako !! I can't wait.

Pero sa totoo lang ha, pasok din ang lola nyo sa UP, sa UST at sa DLSU. 95% ang NMAT ng lola nyo, at Cum laude pa. Premed Physics sa UP, cum laude ha, Repeat: Physics ... hindi nila matatalo yan. Pero mas easier magpark ng Chedeng sa UST kaysa sa Padre Faura, so more likely dun na lang ang lola nyo. Besides, mas maraming cute at mga demure pa ha. Brains and Handsome faces kung baga. Rich pa !! Oh diba, wala nang tatalo dyan!

Teka teka ... sino-sino ba dito pupunta sa UST ? at saka sa UP ? at saka sa UE and DLSU ? Bilis-bilisan lang nyo mga iho iha ... dahil time is running out.

Grabe ... meron ba kayong kakilalang mga gay MD student ?? Share nyo naman, huwag magdamot. LoL :laugh:

Dapat masaya sa med, para ganadong ganado. O di ba Kuya Boy ??

hee hee

O sya, park muna ang lola nyo ha.

OB-GYN wanna be
 
Naku naku ... nakaka-excite naman kayo !!

I am so excited na talagang makapasok sa MedSchool.

Inhibitory yung iba ha, pero excitatory talaga yung iba ... and to top it all off, sana merong gay MD classmate akong ma-meet, para mas bongga. O di ba? Para mas masaya !!!!

And ... I was in UST, UP, UERM last week, get this gals and guys, mas madaming cute guys sa UST MED !!! At ang babait pa. Pasok na pasok na nga ako !! I can't wait.

Pero sa totoo lang ha, pasok din ang lola nyo sa UP, sa UST at sa DLSU. 95% ang NMAT ng lola nyo, at Cum laude pa. Premed Physics sa UP, cum laude ha, Repeat: Physics ... hindi nila matatalo yan. Pero mas easier magpark ng Chedeng sa UST kaysa sa Padre Faura, so more likely dun na lang ang lola nyo. Besides, mas maraming cute at mga demure pa ha. Brains and Handsome faces kung baga. Rich pa !! Oh diba, wala nang tatalo dyan!

Teka teka ... sino-sino ba dito pupunta sa UST ? at saka sa UP ? at saka sa UE and DLSU ? Bilis-bilisan lang nyo mga iho iha ... dahil time is running out.

Grabe ... meron ba kayong kakilalang mga gay MD student ?? Share nyo naman, huwag magdamot. LoL :laugh:

Dapat masaya sa med, para ganadong ganado. O di ba Kuya Boy ??

hee hee

O sya, park muna ang lola nyo ha.

OB-GYN wanna be
 
mSbehavin84 said:
GUYS, THIS ONE SCARE THE HELL**** OUT OF ME!!


CHECK THIS URL OUT ---->
http://www.gov.ph/forum/thread.asp?rootID=126965&catID=2
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O ayan, one manifestation lang yan ha. Talaga namang malalim, at sobrang grabe ang problema ng health care dito sa Pilipinas no !

The entry level salary for doctors at public hospitals in the Philippines is about 12,500 pesos, while doctors at private clinics earn about 17,000 a month.

The basic monthly salary for nurses working in public hospitals in the Philippines is around 9,900 pesos ($190) and 7,000 pesos for those in private institutions. In the United States or Britain, they would earn between 100,000 to 120,000 pesos

Of the roughly 1,600 private hospitals in the country, only 700 are now operational due to the shortage of nurses and doctors.

O heto naman yung Salary Averages Comparison for various occupations sa Pilipinas:

http://www.pinoytechblog.com/archives/salary-averages-comparison

Take note ha, mas mataas pa ang income ng Computer Programmer kaysa sa Medical Doctor sa private hospital. And ... lalo na mga Accountants/Auditors, they surpass Medical Doctors' income here.

For Internship here (you need to do before you attempt the Board Exam), some places are giving allowances Ph400 per month pero payable every 4 months, so Ph1,600 for 4months. In some teaching hospitals, no allowances, like in St. Luke's ha. In other places too, like UP no allowances pero you get free meals/board so parang ganun rin.

Residents get paid dirty cheap, masuwerte ka na kung nasa Php15,000 a month ang take-home mo. Less than $300 a month lang yan ha. Yung pamasahe o kaya gas pa lang, parking, snacks, ubos na agad. Nakakaiyak ang suweldo ng mga doctor dito. Mapa-residente, mga fellows, at mga consultants. Eh paano kung may pamilya ka na or baby diba ? Mahirap yun, nakasandal ka pa rin sa mga parents mo, eh doctor ka na!! "Pala-" ka pa rin. Tapos Paano naman yung papa ko, hindi magkakasya sa min yun susuwelduhin ko ? LoL Magmomodel na lang yung papa ko, ako pa ang susustentuhan nya. LoL Ipambili na lang ni Juan de La Cruz ng tatlong jeep yung pang-tuition nya, tapos mag-hire ng mga drivers. Tapos magpa-upa ng bahay. Baka yumaman pa. LoL
Kaya Grabe, kaya ako pagkakuha ko ng MD ko, sabay-alis. LoL o di ba? Eh anong problema nila, hindi naman sila (taong bayan) ang nagbayad ng pampaaral ko no, at lalong hindi sila ang gumagastos at nagfe-feed sa lola nyo, kaya i'm free to go to the greener pasture. o di ba kuya boy ? Isa din yan kaya ayokong pumasok sa UP kahit pasok na pasok ang lola nyo, mas gusto ko pang magbayad at malayang makaalis, kesa pag-aaralin ka ng bayan tapos aalis naman ... puro rherotic lang nung nasa Diliman pa ha, tapos aalis naman pagkakuha ng MD sa Padre Faura, kung anu-anong isinusulong nung nasa Diliman, tapos dun din ang bagsak, yung mga radikal na yan - mga ungas. naku parang gusto kong manampal nun ha. Bakit hindi pumunta sa Private school at magbayad kung kaya naman, gumastos sila. Kaya maraming nakaaway ang lola nyo sa Diliman, naku. Di ba Kuya Boy ?

O heto ha, Kaya toxic na toxic sa PGH, hindi lang burn-out yung mga residente, interns, clerks dun. Toxic din kasi gustong makaalis nung mga residente pero hindi naman puwede, they are "stuck". O ha, may isang Chief Resident kilala ang mommy ko ha, nag-nurse. Ilang UP MD graduates ang nag-nurse ... grabe. Siempre yung iba tinuloy na nila yung USMLE nila. Pero ito yung mga may mapagkukunan ng pera, dahil magastos yan. And besides, mas maraming Visa allocated for Nurses kaysa sa foreign MD residents, at mas madali ang NCLEX (Nurse Exam for US), kaya ang daming nag-opt na mag-nursing ha. Yung iba nga, hindi na nag-resident training dito ... diretso nang nag-USMLE. Para ano pa, eh di dun ka na lang mag-resident. Puhunan na lang nila yung mga ginastos nila sa pag-aapply. Yung ibang nag-enroll ng Nursing from MD, two years additional for those who have MD degree na, pero ha ... sulit yun... eh kapiranggot lang naman ang suweldo ng Doctor dito ... eh ano ba naman yung two years na tuition fee sa Nursing kung makakaalis papuntang Tate ... di ba Kuya Boy ?

At ito ha ... prangkahan, hindi ba kaya nag-aaral at nagsisikap, eh para sa sarili at sa pamilya (o kaya para din sa papa mo, kung may papa ka, :laugh: ) ?? Pangalawa na lang siguro yung para sa bayan (kung meron man) LoL o di ba?

Maraming problema yung mga nagbayad ng DOST scholarship nila, dahil hindi nag-workout yung Plan B nila. Yung iba ha, hindi alam ang gagawin pagtapos na yung J1 Visa nila .... babalik na dito yung mga yun. Pero huwag ka, aalis na naman. LoL

Hindi judgmental ang lola nyo ha ... spyuk ko lang.
 
Good luck to all applicants. Hope your name will be on the list of eligible applicants next year. Hopefully, you'll be able to graduate on time also. 🙂

See you all on the floors/wards.

🙂
 
hi im new here! Im a 3rd yr bio student in ust. when do you think should i take NMAT? Dec 2006 or april 2007? some said to get best NMAT results take it durning 4th yr and what subjects should i review more? thanks!
 
umm... where in manila can i get an nmat form? my parents are going to manila tomorrow. need help.. 🙂 taga bicol po ako

and is it ok to get an nmat form now even though im planning to take the test in april 2007? 🙂
 
squash22 said:
umm... where in manila can i get an nmat form? my parents are going to manila tomorrow. need help.. 🙂 taga bicol po ako

and is it ok to get an nmat form now even though im planning to take the test in april 2007? 🙂
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Thats if you plan entering medschool at 2008. Those who will be entering medicine by 2007 have to take the exams by december this year- thats most of the requirements for medschools like UST, UP and Ateneo.
 
hentaisocrnmdph said:
Thats if you plan entering medschool at 2008. Those who will be entering medicine by 2007 have to take the exams by december this year- thats most of the requirements for medschools like UST, UP and Ateneo.
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yep, im planning to go to med scool in 2008. but does anybody here know where in pasong tamo, makati can i get an nmat form? pls pls
 
greetings fellows and diplomates! i am a medical student and i am aware of how much is being spent in medical books during medical school and i was able to collect medical books which were downloaded as well as bought through the internet and you may bring all these books with you in your palm or laptop and even cellphones that supports applications and adobe acrobat reader without bringing thick books to school!
i am selling them for 500 pesos for 2 cds, i can have them sent through LBC or we can meet up. please contact me if you are interested.

these are the books i am using and have used so only 21 books are in my library. here's the list:

PDF files:

Bate's guide to physical examination and history taking 9th ed

Katzung Clinical Pharmacology

Harper's illustrated biochemistry 26th ed

Harrison's manual of medicine 16th ed

history and physical exam

medical microbiology

Robbin's pathologic basis of diseases 7th ed (pictures only, text is in pdb format 6th ed)

**pdb files (to be run in isilo application which is included in the package)

infectious diseases by cohen 2nd ed

williams hematology by Beutler 6th ed

grey's anatomy

Harrison's principles of internal medicine 16th ed (the whole book in contrast with manual of medicine which is in PDF format)

infectious diseases and antimicrobial notes

infectious diseases and clinicians' guide to diagnosis, treatment, and prevention

kaplan's textbook of psychiatry with images 7th ed

Nelson textbook of pediatrics 16th ed

Robbins pathologic basis of diseases 6th ed (text only, images are in pdf format)

Schwartz principles and practice of emergency medicine 4th ed

Schwartz principles of surgery, companion handbook 7th ed

Schwartz principles of surgery, 7th ed

Adams & victor's Principles of neurology 7th ed

William's Obstetrics 21st ed

*i will also include stedman's medical dictionary version 4.0 (application)


contact me if you are interested:
cellphone: 09182290076

email: [email protected]
 
ROA12 said:
phlipsquad,
Congrats on completing your first year at UST. Currently, I am doing as much research as I can on med schools (both here and in the Philippines), and just wanted to get your opinion.

-Overall, how satisfied are you at UST? Would you still have chosen UST if you had to do it all over again? And in comparison to schools like UERM or St. Luke's, how would you rate the education, teaching hospital, and student life?

Thanks.
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Hi,
I am just really sad here in the PI but that doesnt mean i am giving up medicine It is a struggle but i am not quitting. UST can account to part of that. i think its just that as a fil-am you are used to american style teaching. Be prepared guys, whoever is going to UST. Education is good I think EXCEPT You have to do things on your own! Professors rarely help you although your classmates do. Nevertheless, You are on your own. Let me just give you an example, a friend of mine in a particular class did not recieve her testpaper back from the department. They held her liable for that. in the end, she had to take a remedial since she missed the passing grade by a fraction of a point. I guess Im just a little bitter about that and about other things that could be improved about our school.

IN MY OPINION, (maybe this will help) UST: (scale from 0 to 10)


Faculty help: 3 / 10
Concern from department: 2/10
Help from classmates: 8 / 10 * Strong Point
Learning from classes: 6/10 * More self- learning
Campus activities: 5/10
Student Life: 6/10: * Not alot goin on.
Living off campus: 2/10 * UST borders has Pollution, traffic, and
so hot. i guess its like this everywhere in manila!
Food : 7/10 * they built a new foodcourt within university campus
5 min walk from med school
Education: 8/10 Still strong but you do more self-learning to pass your
exams than in class ( my opinion)
Faculty: 7/10 Some are excellent (Like my neuroana prof
like DRa. Bautista!) others are either incompetent or way
too strict.

What else? I really cant compare from other med schools, dont know how they work!

I hope this helps a little.
 
ung submission ba ng ust application kelangan kasabay na ung letters of recommendation? (parang dko nabasa kse sa website nila ung instruction re: LOR).. thanks...🙂
 
princesslexxie said:
ung submission ba ng ust application kelangan kasabay na ung letters of recommendation? (parang dko nabasa kse sa website nila ung instruction re: LOR).. thanks...🙂
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Yup kasabay na din, though hinde ko sure kung pwedeng mo to follow kasi un birth certificate ko dati to follow ko n siya
 
skyeMD said:
Yup kasabay na din, though hinde ko sure kung pwedeng mo to follow kasi un birth certificate ko dati to follow ko n siya
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Please write in english so that we can understand your views as well.
 
princesslexxie said:
ung submission ba ng ust application kelangan kasabay na ung letters of recommendation? (parang dko nabasa kse sa website nila ung instruction re: LOR).. thanks...🙂
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yep! you have to submit it altogether with the other requirements. or else they won't be able to process your papers smoothly. incomplete submission of requirements can be a hindrance for you to be accepted to the faculty.
 
skyeMD said:
Yup kasabay na din, though hinde ko sure kung pwedeng mo to follow kasi un birth certificate ko dati to follow ko n siya
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LoLzz biglang nahilo ang lola mo ..

In fairness ha, fil-ams try to speak tagalog, o di ba Kuya Boy ??

Nakakaaliw nga lang. :scared: :idea: 😍

Kung puwede, pagsabayin lahat ng mga dokumento nyo, para hindi rin kayo mahirapan (it is to your advantage to have them in at the same time). If your NMAT is written in December, then you have to send them a copy of your NMAT result ASAP. (They also verify your result from CEM's masterlist of NMAT results). LORs have to be submitted at the same time as the APP, if you can't submit them at the same as your APP, make sure you have them submitted ASAP.

Also, they will only begin processing your APP package when all missing requirements have been submitted. They will also not make a decision until missing requirements have been submitted.

You can submit missing requirements later (except the major requirements, like TOR, NMAT (with December NMAT as the latest writing date), personal documentations), but that is not to your advantage, as it is first-come first-served (or processed) basis.

DEPENDING on school, deadlines of submissions may be more lenient for foreign students (because of delay in securing documentations, processing, etc.), and because there is separate quota for foreign students (that is, local applicants do not go to the same applicant pool as foreign applicants) (There is also a rule in place on the number of foreign applicants a school can take, or ratio of Filipino and non-Filipino applicants to local Filipino applicants, ie, a school cannot take 70%/30% local and non-local applicants, for example). I don't know what the ratios are, but they vary for every school. Also, the NMAT cutoffs are set by the CHED. They are not set solely by the school.

Also, note that NMAT result reports the percentile rank. So, if there are 5,000 NMAT takers, the 90% of this is ONLY 450 !! UST-FMS takes the upper 35% of NMAT takers (ie, 65% cutoff), otherwise, they will not have enough applicants :laugh: :laugh: UP takes the upper 9.99%. Their NMAT cutoffs are set by CHED, depending on the mandated admission criteria, enrollment spaces and whether a state or private funded school.

Bilis-bilisan nyo mga fil-ams ... time is running 😍 😍
 
teka teka teka...

ano tong letter of recommendation? are these the same as the certifcates of good moral character sa ust application? parang wala akong nabasa about LORs. HELP! the ust d-line is in 3 weeks! 🙂
 
^ you did not? the requirement for letters of recommendation are written in bold letters coming from the dean of your previous college (pre-med). it's different from the certificates of good moral character.
 
letters of recommendation usually come from the dean. Most schools have these letters prepared on hand by the deans office. You can get another LOR from a professor who knows you well.

Im not sure if UST specifically cites that one of the letter should come from the dean of your previous school. Otherwise any well known professor of excellent standing in your school would do.
 
chocopinipig said:
letters of recommendation usually come from the dean. Most schools have these letters prepared on hand by the deans office. You can get another LOR from a professor who knows you well.

Im not sure if UST specifically cites that one of the letter should come from the dean of your previous school. Otherwise any well known professor of excellent standing in your school would do.
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Does the UST- Faculty of Med and Surge seriously check out the character references and call them? Had a mistake getting one of my professors to be my character reference but she turned out a bastard. Any thoughts on how serious they call/ converse with these character references?
 
I don't think UST will call the individuals you would mention in the character references. These are usually filled up for the sake of formality nowadays. Your college grades still carry the most "weight" for acceptance into medicine. Make a good impression on your interview. Some UST physicians are known to ask questions and make comments to the point of almost offending the interviewee. I think it serves the purpose of pushing a very tense student to the limit, trying to see his/her ability to answer question you wouldn't otherwise expect to be asked.

goodluck 🙂
 
phew! mali pala nabasa ko... for foreign applicants lang pala yun! hehehhe
anyway.. naipasa ko na application form ko plus yung sa essay. I hope I'll get accepted in UST. sigh...
 
^ prayers can do anything & everything. 🙂
 
naku squash dko pa napapasa ung akin... later pa lang... pwede pa kaya?!?! nyax!!!

anyone here who'll be entering UST next year or in UST na and wants to rent a place in the area? wanna join you guys sana... at most 4 lang sa room sana... 🙂 (hehe, feeling accepted na... high hopes!just being optimistic.)😀
 
hentaisocrnmdph said:
Masyado na pong ang mga emosyon natin, kasalanan lahat ni AurA ito (Ahahahaha)

Most that I am going to say is in Tagalog as the emotions best befit them...

About ASMPH- they are requiring their students to have biology, molecular biology (separate) and other hard science units (even intro to epidemiology which they will be compensating on a "transition program")

Ang sa akin, isnt it a little unfair that they ask this from non Ateneo premed students yet experts in the "REAL" health sciences like nursing, pharmacy, medtech/ public health, PT, OT, Midwifery and other hard core (allied) medical sciences- one notes the term REAL because they have a course called "BS Health Sciences" but really, I dont know what that is for (Sablay ang curriculum nung nakita ko)... and to think they even said "We are not the school that you go to because you didn't get accepted to the medical school of your priority choice". Isnt it a little too mayabang of Ateneo to demand these of their prospective/ incoming students. Truth be told, they are selling their school of medicine and they make it hard for students to be interested in it. Buti na lang pala at may leadership and management course kami sa nursing to (hopefully and somehow) compensate for a management unit they are asking of the incoming freshmen med students.

It is the case that it is normal for a new school (of medicine) to be second or even 5th rate/ choice as compared to the really established medical schools like UP, UST, UERM, PLM and FEU. The ones most likely to be accepted in the school are those they have prepared with the above mentioned requisites and most likely the ones in their BS Health Sciences Program. Nagtayo pa sila ng eskwelahan kung sa kanila rin pala kukuha ng mga papasok diba? Putsa eh kung kami nga eh 18 years old pa lang eh humahawak na ng pasyente at nakikipaglanghapan na ng hininga ng may TB at batak na sa trabaho sa ospital eh hindi tatanggapin, eh paano na mangyayari dun sa inaasam asam nilang mag produce ng "doctors of the future"? Nagsasayang lang sila ng talagang mga deserving na estudyante na may kagustuhang mag medisina. Conspiracy theory, one might think, they will get the best students there are in this batch since "ASMPH is not a second rate- fifth choice school of medicine" and claim that if ever they produce good doctors its because of the school and not because of the students who are supposedly, in the first place, "the best" to begin with. Just think of the saying "ako ang nagbayo, ako ang nag saing- iba ang kumain".

Nakakapanghinayang lang naman kasi if you want to keep your options for a school of medicine. This is enough to upset an "IN fairness..." phrase even if they have a Masters in Management degree to offer with an MD. Sobra naman ang hinihingi nila sa incoming students nila eh wala pa nga silang napapatunayan (ni hindi pa nga gawa ang curriculum nila eh).

To focus in the here and now (regular programming)
What is your schedule for reviewing for the NMAT?
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Okay. I am a bit surprised at this. I am a BS Bio student from Ateneo. If you think about it, the whole principle behind our med school makes sense. Hey, I was skeptic too- believe it or not, I fought with everyone just to NOT be forced to go to ASMPH. But the truth is, it makes a whole lot of sense. Okay, I think it may be time to clear a few things up:
These are the requirements for Ateneo Med:
1) Cell and Molecular Biology (Lecture and Lab, 5 units)
2) Biomedical Applications (Lecture and Lab, 5 Units)
3) Biochemistry (Lecture, 3 units)
4) Epidemiology (3 units)
5) Leadership and Strategy (3 units)
6) Development Studies (special topics on Health) (3 units)

And an NMAT cut-off of 80.

I agree that it can be perceived as quite arrogant. But, a school's standards must be set at the start. Remember, a name is to be guarded with your life.

Okay, I also applied to UST, St. Luke's and UERMMC. However, (and I do not mean to insult or be arrogant here. Forgive me.) when I went to the UST campus two weeks ago, it was culture shock. Yeah. It was. And I was dead scared of being mugged outside the campus. A number of friends have been held-up, robbed and mugged outside. The campus itself, though, is very pleasant. Almost like a park. Same goes for UERMMC. And UP? I did not even bother to apply. I'm not graduating suma or whatnot, and I was not allowed by my parents to study there for pre-med, although I passed molecular biology. DLSU is not really an option. It's simply too far. Fatima etc., are far too (okay, I mist admit that I don't know where it is).

For now, my options are St. Luke's and ASMPH. But I am leaning towards Ateneo because I will be completing the requirements when I graduate in March.

Truthfully, we need not compete. Different schools suit different people. So what? Diba?

As doctors, we are really responsible for the future of this country. So why fight? Why not just acknowledge each other's strengths and weaknesses,diba? It surely must be the mature thing to do, don't you think?🙂
 
bakekang said:
You better not be because it's very far from it. It has lots of flaws and flaps. Several of its new programs were big a flap, most notable of which is their engineering programs. :meanie:


I'm sure as hell that you did not get into UP. :laugh:
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Well, if everyone in UP were as arrogant as you, then I am glad I was coerced to go to Ateneo instead of UP. We all have our flaws, you know. And I am quite positive that you would not like what most people have to say about UP graduates, or UP itself. And may I remind you that people from the provinces have an added 0.5 (if I'm not mistaken) added to their score for the UPCAT. So, no. Being in UP does not equate with being the cream of the crop. Sorry.

I will not deny that your med school is the best in the country. It is tough to get into, competitive, you need high grades, etc. BUT, doctors are do not function to cerebrate alone, mind you. I hope you get my point.
 
safety among medical students is a primary concern. I do understand that point. However med school is not like law school, where you stay in the university most of the time, graduate and work in a nice office. The UST campus is relatively safe compared to where we've been through, Fabella, San Lazaro and even Tondo General for others. Scared the hell out of me everytime i walk to those places a few years back
 
If the requirements posted by Ateneo Med is true (especially the 80 MAT cutoff), they will have very few students.
Please, let us all stop these school bashing and false school pride. Once you get out of the country and start residency, we are all "foreign grads" like the numerous Indians and Pakistanis.
 
Is it difficult for a US grad to get accepted to UP? I will be graduating from Purdue University with a 3.25 gpa and a 99 NMAT. I was just applying to UST, but when I got my NMAT scores people suggested I apply to UP as well. I have not even looked at the application process for UP. I will be going to the pi for my UST interview next month and was wondering if I should even consider UP? Both my parents went to UST medical school and I have no connections to UP...any suggestions?
 
jsilverm said:
Is it difficult for a US grad to get accepted to UP? I will be graduating from Purdue University with a 3.25 gpa and a 99 NMAT. I was just applying to UST, but when I got my NMAT scores people suggested I apply to UP as well. I have not even looked at the application process for UP. I will be going to the pi for my UST interview next month and was wondering if I should even consider UP? Both my parents went to UST medical school and I have no connections to UP...any suggestions?
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It's going to be difficult without any connections. They also have an earlier cutoff date for applications (early December i think). Apply if you can meet the deadline, you'll never know unless you try. You have a decent GPA, why not consider US DO schools? They have better residency matches.
 
tantrum said:
Once you get out of the country and start residency, we are all "foreign grads" like the numerous Indians and Pakistanis.
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very true!

regardless of the school we came from, we're all medical doctors. whether we like it or not, we will be working with others for the healthcare of 1 patient.
 
despair said:
Okay, I also applied to UST, St. Luke's and UERMMC. However, (and I do not mean to insult or be arrogant here. Forgive me.) when I went to the UST campus two weeks ago, it was culture shock. Yeah. It was. And I was dead scared of being mugged outside the campus. A number of friends have been held-up, robbed and mugged outside. The campus itself, though, is very pleasant. Almost like a park.
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u were (culture) shocked? nye! well, that's Manila. what did u expect? maybe you haven't visited Manila for a long time.

i'm sorry for your friends who were robbed, held up. however, your friends should have been smarter not to show-off their cellphones, PDAs, wallets, jewelries (& expensive things) in public knowing that the surroundings of UST is very unsafe at certain places and in certain times.
 
The best areas for learning medicine are the more "dangerous" areas of metro manila. They have more clinical cases and the patients are more patient with their physicians. Ateneo medical school will probably send their students into these areas in the future. Otherwise their student will miss out a lot if they are all crammed into The Medical City. Private institutions that cater to the "A" class patients will unfortunately teach you less than a third of the skills you would otherwise learn from other semi-private / government hospitals.

Take Fabella Hospital for example, its right behind a public market, it stinks, lots of scary characters around, i lost a few stuff while in there. But you get to deliver over 50 babies on your own without anyone assisting you.

San Lazaro Hospital, Tondo area, squatters area just around the corner, very dangerous area, but you get to see all cases of infectious diseases.

Medical school doesn't start with getting into the college of medicine, and studying for exams. it starts in clerkship (4th year) onwards.
 
^ very true. also, u become aware of the present health care situation in the country.
 
bleudsky said:
u were (culture) shocked? nye! well, that's Manila. what did u expect? maybe you haven't visited Manila for a long time.

i'm sorry for your friends who were robbed, held up. however, your friends should have been smarter not to show-off their cellphones, PDAs, wallets, jewelries (& expensive things) in public knowing that the surroundings of UST is very unsafe at certain places and in certain times.
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i don't think it's fair to make assumptions about the events that led to despair's friends being robbed. you might not have liked the post but i think as medical doctors we need to show some restraint. from the tone of your post it's almost as if you're trying to justify the actions of these criminals.
 
I think safety is largely a factor of familiarity than particular behavior. When you've been somewhere a while, you develop a walk, a talk, a look that makes you blend in - even if you do not. Of course, the learning curve is different, and some are able to mimic their surroundings faster than others.

Whoever gets mugged, it's their fault only if they assume a better-than-thou attitude and refuse to learn the mores of their area. But sometimes, it's a matter of being new, and in the wrong place at the wrong time.

On the other hand, simply dismissing the muggers as "criminals" isn't the way to go, I think. Many of these "criminals" will be your patients someday. As a physician, I think maintaining a non-judgemental attitude is essential. Otherwise, there are plenty of careers in law enforcement.
 
LocutusofBorg said:
I think safety is largely a factor of familiarity than particular behavior. When you've been somewhere a while, you develop a walk, a talk, a look that makes you blend in - even if you do not. Of course, the learning curve is different, and some are able to mimic their surroundings faster than others.

Whoever gets mugged, it's their fault only if they assume a better-than-thou attitude and refuse to learn the mores of their area. But sometimes, it's a matter of being new, and in the wrong place at the wrong time.

On the other hand, simply dismissing the muggers as "criminals" isn't the way to go, I think. Many of these "criminals" will be your patients someday. As a physician, I think maintaining a non-judgemental attitude is essential. Otherwise, there are plenty of careers in law enforcement.
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hehehe,:laugh: gimme a break, just because i am a physician doesn't mean i can't tell the difference between right and wrong, a person who commits crimes e.g mugs others = criminal.

locustsofborg i think you're taking PC to a whole new level, it's not wise to go to that extent. i worked at east avenue for a bit and had several patients there who are career criminals, the fact that they had been convicted of crimes or that they were handcuffed to the bed didn't affect the way i treated them, and i was able to earn the trust of many of them. but that doesn't mean that they weren't criminals. if they ask, i'll tell them "you're a criminal, i'm a doctor and that man is the cop who's going to take you to prison when you get better." i'm not going to develop a naive view of the world simply cos i'm a doctor. i will however endeavour everyday to treat my patients with the respect they deserve regardless of their social class, career, race or beliefs.

hopefully you'll learn that before you get out of med school. 🙂

all the best.

p.s i don't think it's right for anyone to say that a victim of a crime is the "cause" of the crime perpetuated against them. certainly it goes without saying that there are times when perhaps unwise actions might make an individual the target of a crime. however, the statement that "it's their fault only if they assume a better-than-thou attitude and refuse to learn the mores of their area" doens't take into consideration the fact that man is capable of saying "no, i will not mug you today." you might want to reconsider your stance on this issue and actually put your PC to use where it matters.
 
hello po! meron po bang nkaka-alam sa reputation ng st. louie university dito? tnx!🙂
 
there's nothing PC about my words. It's about healthcare, not politics. The fact that you say, "I am a doctor, you are a criminal" doesn't prevent you from treating the patient's symptoms. However, by placing a patient in a negative category, and making them feel judged, you are negating your chances of forming a trusting relationship with the patient. You will be unable to obtain accurate information, the patient will be less likely to volunteer it. You are less likely to discover the underlying cause of an ailment, especially a psychological one, if you build a wall between yourself and your patient.

In my interpersonal relationships, I reserve the right to judge. I have a personal sense of right and wrong. But as a physician, I intend to leave my judgements at the door.
 
LocutusofBorg said:
there's nothing PC about my words. It's about healthcare, not politics. The fact that you say, "I am a doctor, you are a criminal" doesn't prevent you from treating the patient's symptoms. However, by placing a patient in a negative category, and making them feel judged, you are negating your chances of forming a trusting relationship with the patient. You will be unable to obtain accurate information, the patient will be less likely to volunteer it. You are less likely to discover the underlying cause of an ailment, especially a psychological one, if you build a wall between yourself and your patient.

In my interpersonal relationships, I reserve the right to judge. I have a personal sense of right and wrong. But as a physician, I intend to leave my judgements at the door.
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you are clearly not a doctor, it is impossible not to have an opinion about someone who works with you or whom you have to care for. read my words IMPOSSIBLE. i have never said to a patient that he or she is a criminal, i only stated what i would say if i were asked, but no one's asked me yet (and to be honest i only added that for dramatic effect), *fingers crossed* 🙂

like many of my colleagues, i manage to separate my judgements and thoughts about a patients actions from health care delivery. if we didn't do this we wouldn't be very effective doctors.

right now you are an outsider looking in, you are commenting on something you have no knowledge of, you assume you know but you clearly do not know. after med school you'll see things clearer.


all the best (sincerely)😀
 
bootchiecoy said:
hello po! meron po bang nkaka-alam sa reputation ng st. louie university dito? tnx!🙂
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hi bootchiecoy, try running st louis through the search engine, there've been a few posts about it in the past.
 
Hi can anyone help me? can anyone shed some light about FEU-NRMF? because i'm really interested in applying there

I have already gave my application in UST and Im also hoping that I would get accepted there
 
bootchiecoy said:
hello po! meron po bang nkaka-alam sa reputation ng st. louie university dito? tnx!🙂
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St. Louis Univ. has a good reputation in the Philippines. It is located in Baguio which, depending on your preference may be good or bad. It is more temperate there (cooler weather) but getting more congested lately.
 
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