Final senate bill to lower compensation by 40% - all hands on deck - please call your Senators/Reps

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Sen Alexander introduced legislation to curb balance billing, out-of-network billing, or frequently reported in the news media as "surprise billing."

Let me be clear: there is no surprise about it. Many insurance companies purposefully don't contract with physicians because it is a way to avoid paying physicians, hospitals, and other healthcare entities that are out-of-network. By limiting their networks, insurers can force individuals to pay more out-of-pocket expenses when they choose to go to an out-of-network physician or hospital.

The frequency of in-network hospitals having out-of-network physicians occurs in <20% of all in-network hospital visits. Insurers love to spin this because it supports their shift of physicians being to blame.

Alexander's bill would cap out-of-network reimbursement to the typical negotiated in-network rate for the region. While this is better than tying out-of-network physician reimbursement to 125% of the Medicare rate, this will still create problems. As insurers drive physicians to take lower rates, it will further decrease typical contracted rates and physician reimbursement.

This legislation will require physicians to bill promptly. Patients who are sent a bill >45 days after treatment is rendered will NOT be responsible for paying the bill. If the USPS loses the bill, then it cannot be resent. There is nothing that would suggest a patient could simply throw it in the trash and claim to have never received it. Healthcare entities will need tracking to ensure delivery of bills to keep this from happening.

This legislation will also regulate air ambulance services, which have traditionally been viewed as out-of-network.

This legislation is both good and bad. It's better than what is currently in the House Energy and Commerce Committee. It still isn't a fair bill. Write your Representatives and Senators and express your opinion that out-of-network reimbursement be tied to the FAIR Health Database.

If you think that this doesn't affect you and that you don't want to get involved in politics, then you're wrong. Your pay will be directly tied to this. Don't let this sneak up on us. ACEP recently held a legislative update webinar that I hope they can make available for on-demand viewing. It summarizes the problems and hurdles we face with getting fair balance billing legislation passed.

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Frightening stuff. I'm afraid everything we do is moot if the Progressive crowd wins everything next election. This will be only a foreshadowing of the evilness that is to come.
 
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Frightening stuff. I'm afraid everything we do is moot if the Progressive crowd wins everything next election. This will be only a foreshadowing of the evilness that is to come.

Worked out great for Venezuela. I went into medicine too late. As much as I hate Trump, I sure am not voting for some socialist.
 
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I will call my representative also try working some more shifts and try to spend less. We need to be prepared.
 
Agreed, goes beyond politics for me... because it goes for my mortgage payment.

Right. If they get Medicare-For-All with the expected rate cut for most doctors, including EPs, I'd have to sell my house. Regardless of politics, this is something anyone with a mortgage, or kids in college should worry about.
 
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Frightening stuff. I'm afraid everything we do is moot if the Progressive crowd wins everything next election. This will be only a foreshadowing of the evilness that is to come.

Just to be clear with the political fearmongering here. This is from Lamar Alexander (R) and Patty Murray (D), but primarily seems to be driven by Alexander.
 
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Just to be clear with the political fearmongering here. This is from Lamar Alexander (R) and Patty Murray (D), but primarily seems to be driven by Alexander.

Stupidity is the only thing that crosses the aisle these days. My point was that this is nothing, when compared with some of the absolute bat**** crazy nonsense coming down the pipeline that will drastically alter our profession and how we are paid.
 
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Stupidity is the only thing that crosses the aisle these days. My point was that this is nothing, when compared with some of the absolute bat**** crazy nonsense coming down the pipeline that will drastically alter our profession and how we are paid.
I just accidentally stumbled on the Democratic candidates plans to just wipe out $2 trillion in student loan debt. Because printing money is easy.

Anyway, back to what I was trying to do: look at current refinance rates.
 
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If they wipe out student loan debt, then someone owes me 350K in cash.
then, I quit medicine and start my real estate empire.
 
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If they wipe out student loan debt, then someone owes me 350K in cash.
then, I quit medicine and start my real estate empire.

You aren't entitled to compensation because:

1. You are RICH therefore EEEEVILLLL
2. You aren't a person of color (well maybe red)
3. You aren't oppressed, except by the CMGs.
 
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You aren't entitled to compensation because:

1. You are RICH therefore EEEEVILLLL
2. You aren't a person of color (well maybe red)
3. You aren't oppressed, except by the CMGs.

Well-put.
I'm not even red in my human form. Half pole, quarter angle, quarter slovak.
100% whiteboy, and I'm getting tired of that being held against me.
 
Well-put.
I'm not even red in my human form. Half pole, quarter angle, quarter slovak.
100% whiteboy, and I'm getting tired of that being held against me.

I did 23 and me, like Elizabeth Warren, I'm a FAUXCAHONTAS too (<=1%)! Otherwise northern European mutt, when means that I was distant emigrant from Africa, and makes me a >99% African-> Euro-> American + 1% african->siberian (Bering Sea land bridge)->Canadian->American. I just identify as a white guy for census reasons.
 
I did 23 and me, like Elizabeth Warren, I'm a FAUXCAHONTAS too (<=1%)! Otherwise northern European mutt, when means that I was distant emigrant from Africa, and makes me a >99% African-> Euro-> American + 1% african->siberian (Bering Sea land bridge)->Canadian->American. I just identify as a white guy for census reasons.

Its bizarre what these new services let you know.
My wife is a strange case. Never really knew her dad. Mom is an Irish/Angle mutt who remarried a guy fresh off the boat from Italy.
My wife speaks four languages rather well, if not fluently. Don't ask her to write it, though. She and her stepdad can yell at each other all day in Italian, but to put it on paper is a different item altogether.

She gets on Ancestry.com and starts exploring.
She has almond-shaped eyes, so there's the question of dad being some part asian.
Turns out her great-great grandfather was Jewish and fought with the French Resistance in WWII.
Now there's a makeshift menorah on the baker's rack near the kitchen in observance of him.
 
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Sen Alexander introduced legislation to curb balance billing, out-of-network billing, or frequently reported in the news media as "surprise billing."

Let me be clear: there is no surprise about it. Many insurance companies purposefully don't contract with physicians because it is a way to avoid paying physicians, hospitals, and other healthcare entities that are out-of-network. By limiting their networks, insurers can force individuals to pay more out-of-pocket expenses when they choose to go to an out-of-network physician or hospital.

The frequency of in-network hospitals having out-of-network physicians occurs in <20% of all in-network hospital visits. Insurers love to spin this because it supports their shift of physicians being to blame.

Alexander's bill would cap out-of-network reimbursement to the typical negotiated in-network rate for the region. While this is better than tying out-of-network physician reimbursement to 125% of the Medicare rate, this will still create problems. As insurers drive physicians to take lower rates, it will further decrease typical contracted rates and physician reimbursement.

This legislation will require physicians to bill promptly. Patients who are sent a bill >45 days after treatment is rendered will NOT be responsible for paying the bill. If the USPS loses the bill, then it cannot be resent. There is nothing that would suggest a patient could simply throw it in the trash and claim to have never received it. Healthcare entities will need tracking to ensure delivery of bills to keep this from happening.

This legislation will also regulate air ambulance services, which have traditionally been viewed as out-of-network.

This legislation is both good and bad. It's better than what is currently in the House Energy and Commerce Committee. It still isn't a fair bill. Write your Representatives and Senators and express your opinion that out-of-network reimbursement be tied to the FAIR Health Database.

If you think that this doesn't affect you and that you don't want to get involved in politics, then you're wrong. Your pay will be directly tied to this. Don't let this sneak up on us. ACEP recently held a legislative update webinar that I hope they can make available for on-demand viewing. It summarizes the problems and hurdles we face with getting fair balance billing legislation passed.

Lamar is from TN? Isn’t that also home to HCA and Envision? Sounds like Lamar has a bug in his ear.

The AHA also wasted no time in making physicians into the bad guys btw.
 
His biggest source of income is BC/BS.
Tell me they aren't working an angle in this. Of course they want mediation done without patients.
Even the AMA is against this.

These senators are basically at the point now where if doctors don’t like it then that means it will pass.

If they like it then it means it will be shouted down. It’s really a joke.
 
The American Hospital Association is against this actually. The fear is that rural hospitals will receive lowered payments, which may cause them to become underfunded and eventually close.

The "regional median in-network" rate is a horrible idea. Let's say you have groups A, B, C, D and E. Each has a contracted in-network rate. A charges $200, B $175, C $150, D $100, and E $95. Group F is out-of-network. By the new proposed legislation, group F's docs will receive $150 for their out-of-network care.

Sounds like a decent rate until group A now has to negotiate it's new rates in a few years when their in-network contract expires. Green Cross then says "we're no longer going to pay you $200 per patient. We will pay you $140 per patient. We know you can get out-of-network payment for $150, so in return we will reduce your paperwork required to obtain payment and will guarantee payment within 15 days of service."

Group A takes the offer because the reduced paperwork is a great idea and they will get paid promptly. Guess what? The median rate is now $140 because out of the 5 providers, it's in the middle now.

Over time, payments will be lowered. Before long, insurance companies will be paying out-of-network rates that are comparable to Medicare rates. Medicare rates are not fair or just, and they are arbitrarily set without oversight.

It is very important that everyone write their Senators to support using the FAIR Health Database that aggregates claims data and is an independent organization.
 
Just want to point out the bill got voted out of committee, not actual Senate. Still lots of opportunities to fail.
 
Just want to point out the bill got voted out of committee, not actual Senate. Still lots of opportunities to fail.
And right now very little that gets through the Senate has any shot of being passed by the House and vice versa.
 
And right now very little that gets through the Senate has any shot of being passed by the House and vice versa.

You raise a valid point, but everyone should still contact their Senators. This legislation likely won't pass this go round, but will almost certainly be reintroduced in the next Congress.

Rep. Ruiz (an ER physician) and Roe (another physician) introduced HR3502 that is a much better solution. It takes patients out of the equation and has a better reimbursement standard.
 
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You raise a valid point, but everyone should still contact their Senators. This legislation likely won't pass this go round, but will almost certainly be reintroduced in the next Congress.

Rep. Ruiz (an ER physician) and Roe (another physician) introduced HR3502 that is a much better solution. It takes patients out of the equation and has a better reimbursement standard.

They need to get this nonsense out of here. Between this and the Democratic debates last night. My god. Hold onto your wallets because you might not have one by the time these people are through with you.

Tonight there’s gonna be another one god I dont f even want to really watch. Bernie and the rest are salivating over taking a big wet bite out of your paycheck.
 
So the Senate Bill passed committee w/ a cap based on In-Network rates (which will lead to a slippery slope of declining In-Network rates). Ruiz's bill is much more EM friendly, probably b/c ACEP is spoon-feeding him the need for baseball-style arbitration similar to NY. If Ruiz's version passes, we'll have dodged a bullet. If the current Alexander version passes, what you made this year will likely be the highest hourly you will make for the rest of your career. Call you senators and congressmen, folks.

Interestingly enough, Alexander has been going out of his way as chairman of the HELP committee to "lower healthcare costs"; no surprise, the first place he put the screws to was physicians and hospitals (not insurance companies which have shifted costs to patients while making record revenue.)
 
So the Senate Bill passed committee w/ a cap based on In-Network rates (which will lead to a slippery slope of declining In-Network rates). Ruiz's bill is much more EM friendly, probably b/c ACEP is spoon-feeding him the need for baseball-style arbitration similar to NY. If Ruiz's version passes, we'll have dodged a bullet. If the current Alexander version passes, what you made this year will likely be the highest hourly you will make for the rest of your career. Call you senators and congressmen, folks.

Interestingly enough, Alexander has been going out of his way as chairman of the HELP committee to "lower healthcare costs"; no surprise, the first place he put the screws to was physicians and hospitals (not insurance companies which have shifted costs to patients while making record revenue.)

Terrifying stuff. Watching the Dem debate right now, and not one of these people understands how healthcare is delivered, how Obamacare works, and how Medicare is funded.
 
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Terrifying stuff. Watching the Dem debate right now, and not one of these people understands how healthcare is delivered, how Obamacare works, and how Medicare is funded.

Neither does the majority of voting Americans. They hear "free healthcare" and think the government is actually going to provide it for free. Ask Sweden how free their healthcare is. 9% of its GDP, 70% funded by government, and an income tax rate of 60%. People pay more in taxes than they take home! Yep, it's free!
 
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Neither does the majority of voting Americans. They hear "free healthcare" and think the government is actually going to provide it for free. Ask Sweden how free their healthcare is. 9% of its GDP, 70% funded by government, and an income tax rate of 60%. People pay more in taxes than they take home! Yep, it's free!

I also LOLed quite a bit the other night at Julian Castro's "Free abortions for transgender women". I guess it's a great policy, as the cost would be zero :rofl:
 
I also LOLed quite a bit the other night at Julian Castro's "Free abortions for transgender women". I guess it's a great policy, as the cost would be zero :rofl:
Here's the quote,

Castro: "...let’s also not forget someone in the trans community, a trans female, is poor, doesn’t mean they shouldn’t have the right to exercise that right to choose. And so I absolutely would cover the right to have an abortion. "

He wants tax payers to pay for abortions for trans females, ie, biological males, now identifying as trans females post "transition" who don't have and will never have a uterus, ovaries, eggs or the ability to become pregnant. He's obviously a genius.

But don't assume that such a plan would cost zero. If they can use virtue signalling to get a new tax, they will.
 
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But don't assume that such a plan would cost zero. If they can use virtue signalling to get a new tax, they will.

You're right. How about a 70% tax on all income over 100K to cover "free abortions for trans-people". You my friend should sign up to run for the Democratic nomination with gems like that.
 
You're right. How about a 70% tax on all income over 100K to cover "free abortions for trans-people". You my friend should sign up to run for the Democratic nomination with gems like that.
70%?

Screw that. I’ll make the tax 95% and really stick it to them. 99% on doctors to punish them for their Physician Privilege .
 
70%?

Screw that. I’ll make the tax 90%. And I’ll enact an emotional reparations tax that will be paid by all Republicans to Democrats as compensation for hurt feelings due to Trump. I’ll call it the Orange Man Bad, Tax

I like it. Alternatively call it "The We Didn't Get Our Way Tantrum Tax".

Don't forget elimination of all borders in the world, as well as free healthcare to all global citizens! - actual Democratic policy proposals
 
I like it. Alternatively call it "The We Didn't Get Our Way Tantrum Tax".

Don't forget elimination of all borders in the world, as well as free healthcare to all global citizens! - actual Democratic policy proposals
Edit: Don’t forget the 99% tax on all physician income above minimum wage to recoup their years of benefiting from Physician Privilege.
 
Don't forget elimination of all borders in the world, as well as free healthcare to all global citizens! - actual Democratic policy proposals
Borders? What are borders?
I already waved my magic wand and eliminated them. Invite all your friends in. Birdstrike is President and everything is free now. It’s party time!

And work?

Pfft! Work schmerk.

I outlawed it!

#Birdstrike2020
 
Borders? What are borders?
I already waved my magic wand and eliminated them. Invite all your friends in. Birdstrike is President and everything is free now. It’s party time!

And work?

Pfft! Work schmerk.

I outlawed it!

#Birdstrike2020

Why work? You'll get $1000 every month guaranteed! - Actual democratic proposal
 
Why work? You'll get $1000 every month guaranteed! - Actual democratic proposal
Yes. $1,000 per month, AND welfare, AND food stamps, AND Medicaid, AND public housing, AND free college, AND paid maternity leave. And no one will have to pay for it. Oh goody!
 
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Neither does the majority of voting Americans. They hear "free healthcare" and think the government is actually going to provide it for free. Ask Sweden how free their healthcare is. 9% of its GDP, 70% funded by government, and an income tax rate of 60%. People pay more in taxes than they take home! Yep, it's free!

And I'm willing to bet Sweden's health care system runs a deficit. The NHS does along with several other countries that have socialized medicine.
 
And I'm willing to bet Sweden's health care system runs a deficit. The NHS does along with several other countries that have socialized medicine.

They all run hugely over budget. The Medicare-for-all advocates always quote numbers like "Canada spends 50% less on healthcare per person than we do in the US". Of course they do, they intentionally refuse care, ration procedures, and generate wait lists. We can certainly get our costs down 50% in the U.S. if we do the same.
 
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They all run hugely over budget. The Medicare-for-all advocates always quote numbers like "Canada spends 50% less on healthcare per person than we do in the US". Of course they do, they intentionally refuse care, ration procedures, and generate wait lists. We can certainly get our costs down 50% in the U.S. if we do the same.
Americans don’t want that. They want it all and want it free, too!
 
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They all run hugely over budget. The Medicare-for-all advocates always quote numbers like "Canada spends 50% less on healthcare per person than we do in the US". Of course they do, they intentionally refuse care, ration procedures, and generate wait lists. We can certainly get our costs down 50% in the U.S. if we do the same.

Even in the states they tout the “value” that Medicare gets for its patients and how well they keep costs down. I guess when you make all the rules and have a police force, an army of lawyers and bean counters that’ll come bearing down on you if they don’t like what you’re doing. I guess I could extract quite a bit of value at pretty much whatever price I want. Then again I can walk into a convieniance store down the street with a gun and then really extract some value too.
 
Americans don’t want that. They want it all and want it free, too!

I many ways this election is like the others. Who are we giving goodies to and who are we taking them away from. It was funny to listen to the full throated collectivists prattle on about this policy or that I can actually feel my wallet leaving my pocket.
 
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I many ways this election is like the others. Who are we giving goodies to and who are we taking them away from. It was funny to listen to the full throated collectivists prattle on about this policy or that I can actually feel my wallet leaving my pocket.

Medicare-for-all wasn't even the most frightening "policy". Every single Democrat on that stage raised their hands when asked if they supported essentially an open border. I'm just astonished. How do they think an open border would work out? No other advanced country in the world has an open border like these dingbats are proposing. The reason is that any country that adopted such a policy would very quickly stop being advanced, or even a country.

That issue alone should seal their fate, but somehow ~50% of the population will vote for open borders. Simply astonishing.
 
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Medicare-for-all wasn't even the most frightening "policy". Every single Democrat on that stage raised their hands when asked if they supported essentially an open border. I'm just astonished. How do they think an open border would work out? No other advanced country in the world has an open border like these dingbats are proposing. The reason is that any country that adopted such a policy would very quickly stop being advanced, or even a country.

That issue alone should seal their fate, but somehow ~50% of the population will vote for open borders. Simply astonishing.

Agree. Appx45-50% will vote for whoever is in opposition regardless. But it was funny watching them try to out progressive one another. Now I have to get back to socialist proofing my tenuous medical career.
 
Medicare-for-all wasn't even the most frightening "policy". Every single Democrat on that stage raised their hands when asked if they supported essentially an open border. I'm just astonished. How do they think an open border would work out? No other advanced country in the world has an open border like these dingbats are proposing. The reason is that any country that adopted such a policy would very quickly stop being advanced, or even a country.

That issue alone should seal their fate, but somehow ~50% of the population will vote for open borders. Simply astonishing.

:claps: :wtf:

(and I'm not even conservative)

It should read "no other country, who has the power to control basic things, has an open border like these dingbats are proposing"

"Open the Border, let anyone in for as long as they want - forever"
 
:claps: :wtf:

(and I'm not even conservative)

It should read "no other country, who has the power to control basic things, has an open border like these dingbats are proposing"

"Open the Border, let anyone in for as long as they want - forever"

Also they raised their hands on "Medicare-for-all for illegals". Can any of you imagine the catastrophic unintended consequences? Basically the entire world could come to the us illegally, and we would have to foot the bill for their care. I think Canadians would certainly take us up on that offer. Waiting list in Canada for treatment/procedure? Cross the border into the U.S., show up at a hospital and get the entire thing taken care of for free, no questions asked.

Welcome to bizarro world......
 
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Also they raised their hands on "Medicare-for-all for illegals". Can any of you imagine the catastrophic unintended consequences? Basically the entire world could come to the us illegally, and we would have to foot the bill for their care. I think Canadians would certainly take us up on that offer. Waiting list in Canada for treatment/procedure? Cross the border into the U.S., show up at a hospital and get the entire thing taken care of for free, no questions asked.

Welcome to bizarro world......

:wtf:

What the hell is wrong with people?
 
Also they raised their hands on "Medicare-for-all for illegals". Can any of you imagine the catastrophic unintended consequences? Basically the entire world could come to the us illegally, and we would have to foot the bill for their care. I think Canadians would certainly take us up on that offer. Waiting list in Canada for treatment/procedure? Cross the border into the U.S., show up at a hospital and get the entire thing taken care of for free, no questions asked.

Welcome to bizarro world......

There’s an interesting NEJM paper that surveyed various healthcare policy proposals. It was...interesting and some what contradictory at first glance.

Example: most agree the US spends too much on HC but most agree that health care expenditures should increase and Medicare cuts are bad.
 
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