Florida Schools Application Thread (2008) part 2

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First off, congratulations to those who have been accepted into a Florida Medical School- as that is a huge accomplishment. I am currently an undergraduate sophomore at Florida Atlantic University and have a few questions/seeking some advice regarding the entire process. I have gone to my academic advisor but unfortunately I have had little luck receiving answers. I know it may be a little early to begin with the paranoia but I have been this way for a few years now and I have found that rolling with it produces desired results so....

Stats:
Overall GPA 3.91
Science GPA (GenChem I, II & Bio I, II): 3.93
Honors Program
NSCS
SGA
Fraternity
Hospital Volunteering / ER
Shadowing
Gen Chem I TA (Employment)

Questions:

1) I am well aware of the reputation FAU has in reference to academia as compared to other Florida universities. Would it be in my best interest to transfer to another university now to display my competitiveness against other applicants from these universities?

2) I am trying to decide if it would be better to dual major (BS in Bio/ BA in Chem), major w. minor (BS in Bio/ Minor in HSA), or just focus completely on bio and perhaps finish a year early?

3) What would you suggest I do to strengthen my stats? Ex. Church activities, research, community service, all three?

4) I am extremely interested in doing research. However, my professors have told me to go through my biology department. My biology department continues to stress that I must go through my professors. I am becoming annoyed with the runaround. I was hoping someone could help me out with a little advice on how they got their research opportunity.

5) I am considering taking a summer off to travel (perhaps Europe). Would this look bad on an application or would you suggest doing a summer medical/research based program instead?

6) Do you think it is wise for me to start brushing up for my MCAT now (about 1.5 years early)? Or do you think this is a bad idea that will do nothing but add additional stress on me?

Thank you for reading. I am sure you all are very busy but I have been stalking this post for some time now and have figured that if I cannot find answers anywhere around my university, that out of the 2000 replies on this post (3000 including part I) - there must be some useful advice someone could throw my way 🙂

Bonus Question: Do you feel I am being too "paranoid" as my peers constantly tell me or were you the same way when you were in my shoes? Also, is there any other advice you could give a hopeful doc such as myself 😉 ?
 
First off, congratulations to those who have been accepted into a Florida Medical School- as that is a huge accomplishment. I am currently an undergraduate sophomore at Florida Atlantic University and have a few questions/seeking some advice regarding the entire process. I have gone to my academic advisor but unfortunately I have had little luck receiving answers. I know it may be a little early to begin with the paranoia but I have been this way for a few years now and I have found that rolling with it produces desired results so....

Stats:
Overall GPA 3.91
Science GPA (GenChem I, II & Bio I, II): 3.93
Honors Program
NSCS
SGA
Fraternity
Hospital Volunteering / ER
Shadowing
Gen Chem I TA (Employment)

Questions:

1) I am well aware of the reputation FAU has in reference to academia as compared to other Florida universities. Would it be in my best interest to transfer to another university now to display my competitiveness against other applicants from these universities?

2) I am trying to decide if it would be better to dual major (BS in Bio/ BA in Chem), major w. minor (BS in Bio/ Minor in HSA), or just focus completely on bio and perhaps finish a year early?

3) What would you suggest I do to strengthen my stats? Ex. Church activities, research, community service, all three?

4) I am extremely interested in doing research. However, my professors have told me to go through my biology department. My biology department continues to stress that I must go through my professors. I am becoming annoyed with the runaround. I was hoping someone could help me out with a little advice on how they got their research opportunity.

5) I am considering taking a summer off to travel (perhaps Europe). Would this look bad on an application or would you suggest doing a summer medical/research based program instead?

6) Do you think it is wise for me to start brushing up for my MCAT now (about 1.5 years early)? Or do you think this is a bad idea that will do nothing but add additional stress on me?

Thank you for reading. I am sure you all are very busy but I have been stalking this post for some time now and have figured that if I cannot find answers anywhere around my university, that out of the 2000 replies on this post (3000 including part I) - there must be some useful advice someone could throw my way 🙂

Bonus Question: Do you feel I am being too "paranoid" as my peers constantly tell me or were you the same way when you were in my shoes? Also, is there any other advice you could give a hopeful doc such as myself 😉 ?



Not paranoid at all!!!!!!

Stay at FAU!! Its better to stay at one university rather then transfer thinking it will look good. Just be sure to maintain the GPA you have now or at least close to it and above the averages.

As far as the MCAT goes, I'd advise that you learn the prereqs well rather then just enough to get an A and forget it. That's the best way for early prep of the MCAT. And if you are weak in verbal, keep reading books that challenge you and learn how to critically read for the main idea.

Taking a summer off to go to Europe is not a bad thing. In fact, it is a very good thing. It shows an ability to explore other diverse cultures, countries, etc. which will give you some interesting experiences and perhaps teach you about people different then yourselves. Adcoms love that. Furthermore, it shows that you are not what my roommate lovingly calls the "el stiffos". i.e. that you can have a social life and be smart and hardworking too. Not every second of your life must be dedicated to school. ugrad is a time to explore opportunities and also have a bit of fun too. So I think it would give something to talk about in interviews. Also, even if you wanted to combine both traveling and doing something like research or clinical stuff, you can try to do a medical mission trip or see if they have study abroad kind of things or research abroad i.e. in France or England or somewhere.

As far as ECs go, clinical volunteering and clinical exp. and shadowing and volunteering in the community a bit are the most important factors. I'm assuming since every fraternity has a signature philanthropy you can get community service that way.

Also, other then those things, anything extra should be things that you love and that you can talk about with interest.
 
May 23, 2008

UF dean removed amid meddling charges

Further proof that politics and academics are like vinegar and water: The UF med school admission of a Charlie Crist grassroots organizer's son has led to the med school dean's ouster.
UF President Bernie Machen "relieved" Dr. Bruce Kone (shown left) of his duties, after weeks of controversy over Kone's apparent meddling to get Hollywood opthalmologist Dr. Alan Mendelsohn's son into the school.
Dr. Mendelsohn, a Republican fundraiser, helped Gov. Crist during his 2006 campaign.

Before Kone became dean in May 2007, Gov. Crist sent a letter to UF urging that Benjamin Mendelsohn be admitted. Kone later admitted the student even though a medical selection committee in the college objected.
Late Thursday, Machen reported that Dr. Bruce Kone "has been relieved of his duties as dean of the College of Medicine."
Kone, who was appointed as dean in May 2007, will retain a faculty position in the college.
-Shannon Colavecchio-Van Sickler


Posted by Times Editor at 12:19:48 PM on May 23, 2008
in Charlie Crist | Permalink

Comments

who'd he think he was: JEBBA THE FATT??
talk about disgraceful whoring for a price!!

Posted by: | May 23, 2008 at 12:35 PM


I guess the lesson to Dr. Machen is, being a brown noser doesn't pay off!
you tried to smooch Charlie's rear and got your funding cut.
maybe your buddy Mikey Haridopolous could help get Mendhleson's son in, apparently he has better relations with Machen than Machen has with Chuck Crist.

Posted by: terminator | May 23, 2008 at 12:55 PM


What is the world coming to when political connections can't help your kid?

Posted by: | May 23, 2008 at 01:07 PM


Another day at the GOP payoff pig trough. I'll get the spin squad right on it.

Posted by: | May 23, 2008 at 01:23 PM


Mendelsohn was a big JEB supporter too and all during the JEB reign anything he was behind was a sure thing!

Posted by: | May 23, 2008 at 01:46 PM


Haridopolois is kissing the educators butts and working against amendment 5! An amendment I want to reduce my property taxes! Do you think I am going to vote for him? NOT!!

Posted by: | May 23, 2008 at 02:03 PM


So...in addition to my retirement in about 25 years not being what it could be because of the way the current national and state GOP has squandered our economy and put everything on the next generation to clean up....now i have to look forward to having a doctor someday who didn't really have the criteria to be accepted to med school but got in b/c of GOP rich kid connections.
The GOP is truly sickening. Truly selfish. Truly bad for America.

Posted by: | May 23, 2008 at 02:18 PM


good for dr. machen. as a UF grad, i am glad that he has relieved the dean of his duties. the integrity of the school is based on admitting only qualified applicants. last i checked, those qualifications do not include political connections.

Posted by: | May 23, 2008 at 02:21 PM


"Shannon Colavecchio-Van Sickler"
shorten your friggin name. how the hell are your kids gonna fit that on the back of a jersey??

Posted by: | May 23, 2008 at 02:30 PM


I hope Machen is prepared to handle the fallout of this. It wouldn't shock me to see one of those UF special projects get the line item veto treatment in the upcoming budget.

Posted by: | May 23, 2008 at 02:51 PM


Don't worry, if he can't get in to UF, his dad will use his connections to get him in UM - after all, look at all the state money that goes to that school (while state universities are being gutted).

Remember in November - Republicans - the party for the privileged and the connected.

Posted by: | May 23, 2008 at 03:25 PM


You have only an excerpt from Gainesville Sun but this is not the true story.
Mendelsohn and the FMA led an aggressive campaign battle against Rod Smith in 2000 who was the darling of our medical ocmmunity in Gainesville.
They tried to help GOP candidate, Dr Casey, who was felt by the academics to be a baffoon and an outsider. A flyer was distributed by FMA asserting that Rod Smith was negligent on paying his child support. Flyer was accurate but his son and wife rallied to his support in a moving press conference, as did the medical community.

94% of the physicians at College of Medicine are Democrats or Independents.
Support of GOP is ocnsidered distasteful.

Fast forward to the gubernatorial race.
Mendelsohn and key FMA leadership were Crist stalwarts. They were concerned that Rod Smith posed more of a threat to Crist in a General Election and therefore, worked aggressively against Rod Smith in the Primary. This resulted in outrage and disbelief among the physicians and the medical society.

Mendelsohn's children are all bright Ivy Leaguers at the top of their class.
His son was part of a Northwestern University honors program and was slated to start medical school at NW this fall. For climate and girlfriend reasons he wanted to attend medical school at UF instead of NW. His honors program did not require an MCAT test, therefore he applied to UF without this test.
His academic credentials were apparently impeccable. (I was not a member of the Admission's Committee but we are all privy to the details).
His grades earned him the invitation for a day of interviews at the med school. For the record, in excess of fifty percent of interviewees receive an offer of acceptance.

Therefore, this young man had a 50% chance of acceptance if the application merely listed his social security number and no reference to his name or political affiliation. When the Admissions Committee realized that this was the son of the highly political, conservative Republican physician, and that there was a letter on file from the Governor, they opted not to "rank" his application, essentially eliminating any chance of acceptance.
There was palpable outrage directed to the father who had aggressively worked against our favorite son Rod Smith, not once but twice.

The Dean correctly overturned this overt retaliation against a young man who demonstrated a strong committment to pursue a medical education and to remain in Florida as a practicing physician.

This story is not about favoritism to the child of a GOP operative, but rather remediating a very wrongful act of retaliation against the family member of a highly political active physician.

I am troubled by the widespread violations of federal privacy that must be accorded a student's academic record by the Admission's Committee.
They believe that publicizing Rod Smith's lapses in payment of child support as a "low blow", but what do they call the leaks and insinuations to the Gainesville Sun?

Posted by: | May 23, 2008 at 03:36 PM


We all know that only Democrats are truly humanistic. I believe that it is a relevant question to ask medical school applicants. If you look around you, the Pediatricians, Family Physicians, Internists are all Democrats who accept lower wages in order to better serve society. The Republican physicians are Plastic Surgeons, Neurosurgeons, Opthalmologists, and the other overcompensated specialties who are driven by the money, not by the humanitarian potential.

Posted by: | May 23, 2008 at 03:43 PM


If a medical school receives state funding, there should be an obligation to train only primary care physicians.
Applicants know that they must BS that they want to go into primary care.
Perhaps, applicants should have to sign a promise that in exchange for a state subsidized medical education of four years, that they must serve the state in an underserved area as a primary care physician for a minimum of four years. The military has this very committment.
As far as political party affiliation matching up with specialties, I have definitely noticed that the most humanistic physicians are almost always Democrats while the business oriented big rollers are hard core Republicans from head to toe.

Posted by: | May 23, 2008 at 03:51 PM


Benjamin Mendelsohn went to school with my children at Pine Crest. His grades were great, his SAT score was near perfect, he is an excellent athlete, and even in high school he was slaving in the ER doing student volunteer work.
His older brother, Josh, went to Harvard. He is now senior management at Google, earning much more than most physicians.
The suggestion that Benjamin was accepted inappropriately to medical school is ludicrous. The reporter needs to fact find. The kid was accepted to numerous medical schools while in high school as part of the combined college and medical school honors program. UM and Nova both have the same programs - students have their medical school acceptances while seniors in high school. Only the cream of the crop can get accepted via this fashion. My daughter also went to one of these honors programs and they are wonderful.
Why the transfer from Northwestern to UF? Who knows and who cares?

Posted by: | May 23, 2008 at 04:02 PM


UF College of Medicine Dean, Bruce Kone, was not relieved of his responsibilities due to "meddling".

The above story is a well-publicized and well-orchestrated smoke screen to hammer away at the Dean. He attacked the double-dippers and the triple-dippers among the senior faculty at UF COM. With declining state funding, compensating a handful of physicians at an outrageous level, greatly impeded attracting new faculty and new department chairs who could not be compensated at a competitive level.

Legislation should be enacted against state and federal employees double and triple dipping during these severe economic times.

Posted by: GATORMD | May 23, 2008 at 04:10 PM


Does Machen forget who he actually works for? The UF Board of Trustees are appointed by the Governor, essentially making him answerable to the Governor. So Machen not only ignores Crist's letter of recommendation, he fires someone because of it. Tisk tisk. Better back the motorcycle Machen and start looking for employment elsewhere.

Posted by: | May 23, 2008 at 04:32 PM


My son, like hundreds of collegiates, obtain letters of recommendation from the sitting Governor, local Legislator, or prominent dignitary for their graduate school application.
My son was rejected despite a glowing letter from the Governor. We were later told that these letters are "a dime a dozen" and have no impact on the application process. They are merely the equivalent of sending in a posed picture of the applicant with the dignitary. We wasted the effort to obtain this letter.
A interesting story would be the precise percent of applicants with these dignitary letters who actually are accepted to the college, graduate school, or military academy of their choice.

Posted by: | May 23, 2008 at 04:38 PM


Bruce Kone is a good man who happened to walk into an ambush.
The well entrenched dinosaurs at the College of Medicine ate him alive and set him up for a brutal fall.

Posted by: | May 23, 2008 at 04:42 PM


Oh, he attended Pine Crest! How nice the Republicans who are always cutting education for the masses send their kids to elite private schools!!!! Perhaps if their kids went to public schools they would be more interested in adequately funding them!!!! But nooo, public schools aren't good enough for Republicans!

Posted by: | May 23, 2008 at 05:40 PM


Tuition for Pine Crest - If only the Republicans were this interested in YOUR kids:
Year of: 2008-2009
Includes Tuition, Lunch, and Textbooks:
Pre-Kindergarten and Kindergarten (full day)
$16,840

Grades One through Five
$17,870

Grades Six through Eight
$19,240

Grades Nine through Twelve
$20,600


Posted by: | May 23, 2008 at 05:49 PM


TOP 10 LIST: MOST IGNORANT POSTINGS: -"We all know that only Democrats are truly humanistic."
Republicans, both the wealthy and the not-so-rich Bible-belters, give a higher percentage of their incomes to charitable causes than Demonrats. Look it up; - it's something called a book.

Posted by: Cregg | May 23, 2008 at 06:04 PM


Democrats wouldn't recognize a life-principle if it hit them over their collective heads with a two-ton shovel. They're too busy feverishly pandering to every low-life for a hand-out, seeking revenge for imaginary wrongs, and dragging this country through the political mud.
Now, there's the party of hope!

Posted by: Leila | May 23, 2008 at 06:22 PM


Dr. Mendelsohn should be investigated.

Posted by: | May 23, 2008 at 07:20 PM


Maybe you didn't notice - but the Republicans were in charge of the budget last session. THEY cut education while attempting to give $700 million to CSX. THE CUT EDUCATION and spent $110 million for an airport for St. Joe Paper Company, $10 million for St. Joe's road, and $410 million for a private professional sports team!!!
Yep, all that was more important than EDUCATION of the masses. After all, why should the Republican Leadership or the Major Republican Donor's care - all THEIR kids go to PRIVATE SCHOOLS.
After all, if they educate the masses, they might become too expensive to be the hired help!

Posted by: | May 23, 2008 at 07:43 PM


4:10 - you are aboslutely correct - let's get a law passed making it illegal for ANYONE to work after they retire!!!! Plan well or die - Another pro-life sentiment!!!!

Posted by: | May 24, 2008 at 01:37 PM


1:37 - great idea AND it should apply to sitting on board of directors or starting your own businesses, AND should include the military!!!

After all, why should any employer have to pay someone retirement if they are going to work AND why should any consumer purchase goods or services from someone so greedy as to work after retirement!!!
Yep, get those double dippers!!!

Posted by: | May 24, 2008 at 01:39 PM


This Kone ambush was a lot broader and involved many who piled on. The word is that a privacy investigation about how leaked the Mendelsohn name and the admissions committee deliberations was done at UF and squelched so that the students who were guilty of privacy violations while on the admissions committee and in a special society funded by a major donor could graduate. Rather than fire Kone before graduation, they did it after, and when he asked for the results of the privacy investigation and for the Gainesville Sun to retract inacurracies, he was fired. Same happens to most whistle blowers, I guess. Interestingly, the Sun went completely quiet after the announcment, with no faculty or student interviews. I guess UF owns the Sun.

According to sources on the committee, the full admissions committee did not vote on the admission. Only 17 out of 53, and 7 or these were medical students, all under the thumb of the donor and the trance of a quadruple dipper Robert Watson whom Kone did not rehire when he completed DROP. DROP was a scandal that could not be exposed, and unfortunately for him, the dean did. There was a legacy among senior leaders to guarantee jobs to their assistant and associate deans after DROP, give them a bonus, and even a sabbatical in some cases. All of this was illegal, but commonplace.

Kone apparently blew the whistle on this internally to Dr. Barrett, the Sr. VP for Health Affairs, who Machen has also forced to resign, but Barrett and his associate Tom Harris (one of the top double-dippers in the state), approved them all. Now the SVP for administration Kyle Cavanaugh seems to be running the show in the DROP damage control. Obviously this cronyism is coming from much higher up, probably from the Board of Trustees chair to be Mac McGriff, who's best buddy is Dean at UF at Jax and the highest paid double-dipper in the state.

The admissions case caused a student petition and all sorts of nonsense. All the political nonsense that occurred in the admissions committee I've heard was incredibly biased, but somehow UF and its Faculty Senate wants to keep it under wraps.

So, business as usual at UF.

Posted by: jill rabley | May 25, 2008 at 06:15 AM
 
1) Would it be in my best interest to transfer to another university?

You should only transfer to another university if you are unhappy at FAU. When I started college I was initially at the University of Tennessee at Chattanooga. I was a physics major there and was terribly unimpressed with the department. I transferred to the University of Florida immediately after my freshman year and was happy there ever since. Don't transfer if you think you're going to increase your chances of getting into medical school. Only leave FAU if you are truly unhappy with the university.

2) I am trying to decide if it would be better to dual major (BS in Bio/ BA in Chem), major w. minor (BS in Bio/ Minor in HSA),

A double major would be an utter waste of your time, especially in related field such as biology and chemistry. If you want to study in a different subject, go with Spanish. It's certainly a lot more useful to doctors than an undergraduate degree in biology is.

3) What would you suggest I do to strengthen my stats? Ex. Church activities, research, community service, all three?

Research, research, research!

4) I am extremely interested in doing research.

Go to the website for the biology department and look at every faculty members' profile. Start e-mailing professors whose research sounds interesting. Be prepared to submit a resume and transcript if asked. You're going to have to send out a lot of e-mails. For every 5-10 that you submit, you may only receive one reply. And very likely, it will be a no. Don't get disheartened in the early stages of looking for a mentor. Also, when you e-mail these professors, be sure to mention what your research interests are, what your future goals are, and how being in that person's laboratory can lead to those goals being met.

5) I am considering taking a summer off to travel (perhaps Europe). Would this look bad on an application

Enjoy your vacation to Europe.

6) Do you think it is wise for me to start brushing up for my MCAT now (about 1.5 years early)?

The MCAT only takes about three months to prepare for. Use this time to focus on your classwork as well as your extracurricular activities.

Bonus Question: Do you feel I am being too "paranoid" as my peers constantly tell me

Yes, you are paranoid.

or were you the same way when you were in my shoes?

Yes, I was paranoid the same way when I applied.

Also, is there any other advice you could give a hopeful doc such as myself?

Go to the very top of this website, click on "Publications," and then click on "The Not So Short Introduction to Getting into Medical School." Read it in full and then report back to this board.
 
1) Would it be in my best interest to transfer to another university?

You should only transfer to another university if you are unhappy at FAU. When I started college I was initially at the University of Tennessee at Chattanooga. I was a physics major there and was terribly unimpressed with the department. I transferred to the University of Florida immediately after my freshman year and was happy there ever since. Don't transfer if you think you're going to increase your chances of getting into medical school. Only leave FAU if you are truly unhappy with the university.

2) I am trying to decide if it would be better to dual major (BS in Bio/ BA in Chem), major w. minor (BS in Bio/ Minor in HSA),

A double major would be an utter waste of your time, especially in related field such as biology and chemistry. If you want to study in a different subject, go with Spanish. It's certainly a lot more useful to doctors than an undergraduate degree in biology is.

3) What would you suggest I do to strengthen my stats? Ex. Church activities, research, community service, all three?

Research, research, research!

4) I am extremely interested in doing research.

Go to the website for the biology department and look at every faculty members' profile. Start e-mailing professors whose research sounds interesting. Be prepared to submit a resume and transcript if asked. You're going to have to send out a lot of e-mails. For every 5-10 that you submit, you may only receive one reply. And very likely, it will be a no. Don't get disheartened in the early stages of looking for a mentor. Also, when you e-mail these professors, be sure to mention what your research interests are, what your future goals are, and how being in that person's laboratory can lead to those goals being met.

5) I am considering taking a summer off to travel (perhaps Europe). Would this look bad on an application

Enjoy your vacation to Europe.

6) Do you think it is wise for me to start brushing up for my MCAT now (about 1.5 years early)?

The MCAT only takes about three months to prepare for. Use this time to focus on your classwork as well as your extracurricular activities.

Bonus Question: Do you feel I am being too "paranoid" as my peers constantly tell me

Yes, you are paranoid.

or were you the same way when you were in my shoes?

Yes, I was paranoid the same way when I applied.

Also, is there any other advice you could give a hopeful doc such as myself?

Go to the very top of this website, click on "Publications," and then click on "The Not So Short Introduction to Getting into Medical School." Read it in full and then report back to this board.

Good post. but I don't think its paranoid so much as it is getting advice before making premature decisions. Never feel afraid to ask as its better to ask then do something stupid due to assumptions.
 
I am applying this year and I am wondering if anyone on here has applyed ED to FSU??? I know that they dont require higher than normal stats for ED and I was just wondering if anyone has had luck applying this way or that can offer some insight????
 
Wow! FSU started today. That's CRAZY!!!😱 Good luck to you guys who had their first day of classes today.
 
I am applying this year and I am wondering if anyone on here has applyed ED to FSU??? I know that they dont require higher than normal stats for ED and I was just wondering if anyone has had luck applying this way or that can offer some insight????

Any ED program requires for the applicant to be above their average MCAT and GPA scores. In this case, I would suspect for ED applicants to FSU be around a 30 MCAT and a 3.7 GPA, as a minimum. However, with FSU, an emphasis on rural medicine may offset these requirements by a small amount, along with an upward trend in grades and life experience. But I've learned never to underestimate the importance of stats in admissions.

This is just my take, so it may be different from many others, but I would recommend applying regular decision to both MD and DO schools to maximize your chances. But if you get your MCAT score back and its around a 34-35, then it may be possible to apply ED to FSU.

I hope this helps, and good luck. You have a good list of schools.
 
First off, congratulations to those who have been accepted into a Florida Medical School- as that is a huge accomplishment. I am currently an undergraduate sophomore at Florida Atlantic University and have a few questions/seeking some advice regarding the entire process. I have gone to my academic advisor but unfortunately I have had little luck receiving answers. I know it may be a little early to begin with the paranoia but I have been this way for a few years now and I have found that rolling with it produces desired results so....

Stats:
Overall GPA 3.91
Science GPA (GenChem I, II & Bio I, II): 3.93
Honors Program
NSCS
SGA
Fraternity
Hospital Volunteering / ER
Shadowing
Gen Chem I TA (Employment)

Questions:

1) I am well aware of the reputation FAU has in reference to academia as compared to other Florida universities. Would it be in my best interest to transfer to another university now to display my competitiveness against other applicants from these universities?

2) I am trying to decide if it would be better to dual major (BS in Bio/ BA in Chem), major w. minor (BS in Bio/ Minor in HSA), or just focus completely on bio and perhaps finish a year early?

3) What would you suggest I do to strengthen my stats? Ex. Church activities, research, community service, all three?

4) I am extremely interested in doing research. However, my professors have told me to go through my biology department. My biology department continues to stress that I must go through my professors. I am becoming annoyed with the runaround. I was hoping someone could help me out with a little advice on how they got their research opportunity.

5) I am considering taking a summer off to travel (perhaps Europe). Would this look bad on an application or would you suggest doing a summer medical/research based program instead?

6) Do you think it is wise for me to start brushing up for my MCAT now (about 1.5 years early)? Or do you think this is a bad idea that will do nothing but add additional stress on me?

Thank you for reading. I am sure you all are very busy but I have been stalking this post for some time now and have figured that if I cannot find answers anywhere around my university, that out of the 2000 replies on this post (3000 including part I) - there must be some useful advice someone could throw my way 🙂

Bonus Question: Do you feel I am being too "paranoid" as my peers constantly tell me or were you the same way when you were in my shoes? Also, is there any other advice you could give a hopeful doc such as myself 😉 ?


First of all your stats are good so far....keep it up! Secondly, give your undergraduate institution a little more credit! I, along with two other FAU students have been accepted and will attend UF COM starting in Aug. I can think of 3 FAU people who will be starting at UM COM in Aug. I know of multiple other FAU students who have been accepted to other medical schools for this application cycle. This is not to mention the FAU student accepted to UF vet school, nor the 2 other FAU students who are finishing their 1st and 2nd years at UF COM, nor the 3 finishing their 1st year at UM, nor the one finishing their first year in UF vet school....and these are just the ones I can think of off of my head. There are certainly others. True, we might not have the pure numbers that some of the other state schools are churning out, but my point is this......there are plenty of people coming out of FAU who are getting into fine medical schools and are doing well in them. THERE IS NO REASON IN THE WORLD WHY YOU CANT BE ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE TOO!
In an attempt to answer some of your other questions....
I would not try and finish a year early. People do, and thats fine...but why not use that year and add some really meaningful extracurriculars while taking some cool science related electives. Personally, I did a TON of research as an undergrad, got published, and I am certain that is one of the things that helped raise my appeal to admissions committees. As far as your other question about how to get involved in research....just find a prof. who seems like they are doing something interesting, and approach them and ask if he/she has any room for an undergrad to do some DIS or Honors thesis research up in their lab. In my experience most of them are more than willing. PM me if you need some help with this, because I know most of the profs in the bio dept and a little about most of their research...Id be glad to help try and point you in the right direction. As far as your question about travel, theres nothing wrong with traveling just for the sake of traveling....in fact more than 50% of my med school interviewers asked about some of my travel experiences....it makes you worldly, well-rounded, and gives you something to talk about in interviews if it comes up. Best of luck to you, and feel free to PM me if want some help with the whole research thing.
 
First of all your stats are good so far....keep it up! Secondly, give your undergraduate institution a little more credit! I, along with two other FAU students have been accepted and will attend UF COM starting in Aug. I can think of 3 FAU people who will be starting at UM COM in Aug. I know of multiple other FAU students who have been accepted to other medical schools for this application cycle. This is not to mention the FAU student accepted to UF vet school, nor the 2 other FAU students who are finishing their 1st and 2nd years at UF COM, nor the 3 finishing their 1st year at UM, nor the one finishing their first year in UF vet school....and these are just the ones I can think of off of my head. There are certainly others. True, we might not have the pure numbers that some of the other state schools are churning out, but my point is this......there are plenty of people coming out of FAU who are getting into fine medical schools and are doing well in them. THERE IS NO REASON IN THE WORLD WHY YOU CANT BE ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE TOO!
In an attempt to answer some of your other questions....
I would not try and finish a year early. People do, and thats fine...but why not use that year and add some really meaningful extracurriculars while taking some cool science related electives. Personally, I did a TON of research as an undergrad, got published, and I am certain that is one of the things that helped raise my appeal to admissions committees. As far as your other question about how to get involved in research....just find a prof. who seems like they are doing something interesting, and approach them and ask if he/she has any room for an undergrad to do some DIS or Honors thesis research up in their lab. In my experience most of them are more than willing. PM me if you need some help with this, because I know most of the profs in the bio dept and a little about most of their research...Id be glad to help try and point you in the right direction. As far as your question about travel, theres nothing wrong with traveling just for the sake of traveling....in fact more than 50% of my med school interviewers asked about some of my travel experiences....it makes you worldly, well-rounded, and gives you something to talk about in interviews if it comes up. Best of luck to you, and feel free to PM me if want some help with the whole research thing.

Good advice Boat. Nice to see you in the forum, welcome.
 
Any ED program requires for the applicant to be above their average MCAT and GPA scores. In this case, I would suspect for ED applicants to FSU be around a 30 MCAT and a 3.7 GPA, as a minimum. However, with FSU, an emphasis on rural medicine may offset these requirements by a small amount, along with an upward trend in grades and life experience. But I've learned never to underestimate the importance of stats in admissions.

This is just my take, so it may be different from many others, but I would recommend applying regular decision to both MD and DO schools to maximize your chances. But if you get your MCAT score back and its around a 34-35, then it may be possible to apply ED to FSU.

I hope this helps, and good luck. You have a good list of schools.

thank you very much for the advice, most people just tell me I have a very small chance anywhere, so its good to hear something positive🙂 I have spoken with a pre-med advisor at FSU who told me why not apply ED, that they dont look for above average stats, but I am going to talk with am admissions person anyways to make sure; and if I could get a 34 or 35 on the MCAT I think I would pass out and miss the ED file date anyways🙂
 
Thank you all for your great replies. I have gotten so much information here off SDN. Your advice is amazing, helpful, and appreciated. I am sure you will be seeing much more of me on these forums for the next 2 years (and not just because of my paranoia 😉 ).
 
So anyone hear from Miami main or FAU campus lately? Also, Miami's waitlist is static correct? So letting them know my second-author paper was just submitted for publication today won't help me at all? 🙁
 
So anyone hear from Miami main or FAU campus lately? Also, Miami's waitlist is static correct? So letting them know my second-author paper was just submitted for publication today won't help me at all? 🙁

I'm under the impression that most, if not all waitlists are static.
 
I'm under the impression that most, if not all waitlists are static.

UF's wait list is dynamic, although I surmise there is some sort of ranking going on, and i knew USF was static but I didn't know about UM.
 
I wouldn't make any assumptions, one way or the other, unless you've heard it from the dean himself (Hinkley). Lots of second-hand info floating around here....some of it I'm sure is accurate, but some of it maybe not. I'm sure if you called Agnes, she'd be more than happy to add that to your file.

However, with that said, I think it would be more significant to update them once the paper is ACCEPTED by a peer reviewed journal. No offense, but almost anyone can submit a paper -- getting it accepted and published is the noteworthy part. Good luck.

So anyone hear from Miami main or FAU campus lately? Also, Miami's waitlist is static correct? So letting them know my second-author paper was just submitted for publication today won't help me at all? 🙁
 
I wouldn't make any assumptions, one way or the other, unless you've heard it from the dean himself (Hinkley). Lots of second-hand info floating around here....some of it I'm sure is accurate, but some of it maybe not. I'm sure if you called Agnes, she'd be more than happy to add that to your file.

However, with that said, I think it would be more significant to update them once the paper is ACCEPTED by a peer reviewed journal. No offense, but almost anyone can submit a paper -- getting it accepted and published is the noteworthy part. Good luck.


Sorry, I chose my words wrong. It's already been accepted by Molecular and Cellular Protomics but won't be published until August or September. You are right though, I'll call UM tomorrow.
 
Awesome, congrats!! Yeah I would definitely have that added to my file if I were you.

Sorry, I chose my words wrong. It's already been accepted by Molecular and Cellular Protomics but won't be published until August or September. You are right though, I'll call UM tomorrow.
 
Does anyone know how UM waitlist is moving compared to last year or the past? more? less?
 
So a friend of mine got off the UF waitlist. This means that as soon as she gets the official letter of acceptance ==> one more spot opens at USF COM. So hang in there. The waitlist is still moving.
 
Does anyone know how UM waitlist is moving compared to last year or the past? more? less?

According to President Shalala, they're "jammed". Last year they accepted 67 from the waitlist, this year it doesn't seem to be moving too much. My boyfriend is STILL on the waitlist and is a 2-time UM alum, recently graduated with an MPH. We're crossing our fingers he will hear SOON!
 
According to President Shalala, they're "jammed". Last year they accepted 67 from the waitlist, this year it doesn't seem to be moving too much. My boyfriend is STILL on the waitlist and is a 2-time UM alum, recently graduated with an MPH. We're crossing our fingers he will hear SOON!

=( If i remember correctly, Dr. Hinkley said 313 ppl were accepted last year eventually out of 450 interviewed. On the waitlist email it says 67 people of the class were from waitlist. it doesn't mean 67 were accepted off the waitlist but merely of the matriculating class, 67 were from the waitlist. Number accepted could be higher, but who knows. Good luck!

By the way, I'm actually thinking about applying for the UM MPH program...
 
So a friend of mine got off the UF waitlist. This means that as soon as she gets the official letter of acceptance ==> one more spot opens at USF COM. So hang in there. The waitlist is still moving.

Thanks for the update! 🙂 Has anybody heard anything from USF lately?
 
=( If i remember correctly, Dr. Hinkley said 313 ppl were accepted last year eventually out of 450 interviewed. On the waitlist email it says 67 people of the class were from waitlist. it doesn't mean 67 were accepted off the waitlist but merely of the matriculating class, 67 were from the waitlist. Number accepted could be higher, but who knows. Good luck!

By the way, I'm actually thinking about applying for the UM MPH program...

This is what I meant...either way, the bottom line is that a minimum 67 people who were originally waitlisted eventually got acceptances!

Also, FYI, my boyfriend spoke to the admissions office yesterday and they said not to worry, the list hasn't moved much yet. Apparently they've been behind quite a bit this Spring and so it wouldn't surprise me if they're still behind...his interview group heard back two weeks later than they were told they would for this same reason!
 
Thanks for the update! 🙂 Has anybody heard anything from USF lately?

I wonder if USF is waiting until after the first years finish all their exams next week. I know the third years have just finished their first week of class, and have class next week before thy dive into the clinical part of 3rd year. I suspect something will happen after next week. Just speculating as I don't really know.
 
I wonder if USF is waiting until after the first years finish all their exams next week. I know the third years have just finished their first week of class, and have class next week before thy dive into the clinical part of 3rd year. I suspect something will happen after next week. Just speculating as I don't really know.

They also have been interviewing the 7 year students again for their yearly update interviews they have. So they may be busy with that stuff.
 
Thanks for the update! 🙂 Has anybody heard anything from USF lately?

I think she had also given up her spot to miami on May 15th so that was def. a waitlist spot open there but I'm sure that one has been filled by now.
 
I wonder if USF is waiting until after the first years finish all their exams next week. I know the third years have just finished their first week of class, and have class next week before thy dive into the clinical part of 3rd year. I suspect something will happen after next week. Just speculating as I don't really know.

There is no connection between admissions stuff and exams whatsoever.
 
Hi everyone.

I was waitlisted at UM Miami before May 15th.
Last week, I got accepted to UM Miami.
So I think that the waitlist at UM Miami is definitely
moving.

Good luck!!
 
Just wondered if they were waiting to see how many people were repeating the year before releasing more seats for the waiting list is all.

That is a good point, butI don't think that is the issue either cuz I remember when REL was director they had people being called every week and hearing every week on SDN and elsewhere of people who got off waitlists.
 
So does anyone know if the USF waitlist is still moving slowly or has it picked up a bit? I've literally heard nothing from anyone on here or elsewhere for the past few days, save for GujuDoc's post earlier.

I'm guessing it slows down quite a bit as they enter June?
 
So does anyone know if the USF waitlist is still moving slowly or has it picked up a bit? I've literally heard nothing from anyone on here or elsewhere for the past few days, save for GujuDoc's post earlier.

I'm guessing it slows down quite a bit as they enter June?

be patient. i'm sure it will be moving. I think Rel said it moves in spurts sometimes. Doesn't surprise me.
 
For all of you on the waitlist keep faith. B/c last year I was smack dab in the middle of the waitlist for USF and got the call on July 19th.
 
yea i called usf again today, still the same reply, there was some movement but waitlist not moving as fast as last yr
 
OK, so I am starting to freak out a little bit. I am on the waitlist at USF and UF and the clock is ticking... I contacted both schools for advice should I have to re-apply. I really hope this is not the case, but I am trying to prepare myself.

UF said they couldn't tell me anything because I was currently on the waitlist (doh!) and USF was more helpful, but, at the same time, shocking because I have a small window to work on areas of improvement: mainly, shadowing and MCAT.

Right now, I am trying to find a shadowing opportunity in Tampa and it is proving to be rather difficult. Furthermore, my skewed MCAT score is another thing I could improve on (30 Q overall but a 14 in Bio and a 6 in verbal). I should probably shoot for an MCAT in July but I am so nervous that my score may level out, but not improve (or worse yet, go down, considering that I haven't been in school for a year).

Sorry for being so wordy...I guess I was just wondering if anyone could give me some advice: to re-take or not to re-take? In the meantime, I am working really hard to shadow and have started working on new essays...secretly hoping that one day I get that call/e-mail. :luck:
 
For all of you on the waitlist keep faith. B/c last year I was smack dab in the middle of the waitlist for USF and got the call on July 19th.

Did they tell you you were "exactly in the middle" because when I asked the most exact she (it wasn't Gretchen, I forget who it was) could tell me what that I was at "the bottom half" :scared: But when I had my interview (late November) Gretchen said I was in the middle. I guess I got bumped which perplexes me since my MD interviewer said word for word, "I think you're going to be a great doctor". Sigh.
 
OK, so I am starting to freak out a little bit. I am on the waitlist at USF and UF and the clock is ticking... I contacted both schools for advice should I have to re-apply. I really hope this is not the case, but I am trying to prepare myself.

UF said they couldn't tell me anything because I was currently on the waitlist (doh!) and USF was more helpful, but, at the same time, shocking because I have a small window to work on areas of improvement: mainly, shadowing and MCAT.

Right now, I am trying to find a shadowing opportunity in Tampa and it is proving to be rather difficult. Furthermore, my skewed MCAT score is another thing I could improve on (30 Q overall but a 14 in Bio and a 6 in verbal). I should probably shoot for an MCAT in July but I am so nervous that my score may level out, but not improve (or worse yet, go down, considering that I haven't been in school for a year).

Sorry for being so wordy...I guess I was just wondering if anyone could give me some advice: to re-take or not to re-take? In the meantime, I am working really hard to shadow and have started working on new essays...secretly hoping that one day I get that call/e-mail. :luck:


If shadowing is proving rather difficult it is because you are looking in the wrong place.

Start emailing people who are MDs affiliated with USF by looking up their emails in the faculty links of department pages that are linked to the main USF health page http://www.health.usf.edu/medicine

if that doesn't help, go to Northside hospital, a DO teaching hospital in St. Pete, fl. and talk to Kathy Jacobs and get in the volunteer system and she'll help find DO shadowing opportunities.

If that doesn't work, try volunteering in an ER department at All children's hospital, TGH, or UCH and see if by volunteering you'll get to see stuff.

If that doesn't work, there's always Reach out and Read. Contact Ellen Kent at [email protected]
You can volunteer reading to kids and in exchange you'll get the opportunity to shadow pediatricians.
 
OK, so I am starting to freak out a little bit. I am on the waitlist at USF and UF and the clock is ticking... I contacted both schools for advice should I have to re-apply. I really hope this is not the case, but I am trying to prepare myself.

UF said they couldn't tell me anything because I was currently on the waitlist (doh!) and USF was more helpful, but, at the same time, shocking because I have a small window to work on areas of improvement: mainly, shadowing and MCAT.

Right now, I am trying to find a shadowing opportunity in Tampa and it is proving to be rather difficult. Furthermore, my skewed MCAT score is another thing I could improve on (30 Q overall but a 14 in Bio and a 6 in verbal). I should probably shoot for an MCAT in July but I am so nervous that my score may level out, but not improve (or worse yet, go down, considering that I haven't been in school for a year).

Sorry for being so wordy...I guess I was just wondering if anyone could give me some advice: to re-take or not to re-take? In the meantime, I am working really hard to shadow and have started working on new essays...secretly hoping that one day I get that call/e-mail. :luck:

What fields of medicine are you interested in shadowing anyhow??

MCAT: I'd just stay calm and try to start preparing in case you have to retake and reapply.
 
If shadowing is proving rather difficult it is because you are looking in the wrong place.

Start emailing people who are MDs affiliated with USF by looking up their emails in the faculty links of department pages that are linked to the main USF health page http://www.health.usf.edu/medicine

if that doesn't help, go to Northside hospital, a DO teaching hospital in St. Pete, fl. and talk to Kathy Jacobs and get in the volunteer system and she'll help find DO shadowing opportunities.

If that doesn't work, try volunteering in an ER department at All children's hospital, TGH, or UCH and see if by volunteering you'll get to see stuff.

If that doesn't work, there's always Reach out and Read. Contact Ellen Kent at [email protected]
You can volunteer reading to kids and in exchange you'll get the opportunity to shadow pediatricians.
I can attest to the volunteering experience. I volunteered in the weekends at Ryder Trauma Center at Jackson. While there were no doctors to follow, I did shadow multiple residents throughout my experience there. So I got to watch some procedures being done and got to chat with them. The residents there are some of the nicest, most helpful people I met. They gladly talked about their cases, etc. Awesome experience.
 
I can attest to the latter. I volunteered in the weekends at Ryder Trauma Center at Jackson. While there were no doctors to follow, I did shadow multiple residents throughout my experience there. So I got to watch some procedures being done and got to chat with them. The residents there are some of the nicest, most helpful people I met. They gladly talked about their cases, etc. Awesome experience.

haha I'm hoping to have this experience at All children's Hospital in St. Pete starting next saturday.....woohooooooo. After 2 years in child life at their branch clinic, 1 semester doing childlife stuff with AMSA at Shriners and numerous other child life like opportunities with reach out and read, reading to kids, this is going to be an interesting change of pace. I'm looking forward to working at the main all children's hospital and not just with the cancer heme/onc kids at the specialty clinic. It should be interesting.
 
yea i called usf again today, still the same reply, there was some movement but waitlist not moving as fast as last yr

Its probably because some other schools are taking forever to make decisions i.e. UF either because they too are full or because they are just taking sweet time making decisions. I read on here some weeks ago that the UF class was not full yet. When other school's movements happen then USF's will also move if people get better offers.

Or perhaps the other explanation is that there are more people who are happy with USF this year.
 
What fields of medicine are you interested in shadowing anyhow??

MCAT: I'd just stay calm and try to start preparing in case you have to retake and reapply.

I am very open. I worked for over a year in the ED so I definitely would like to see another side. To be honest, my top choice is probably primary care.

Thanks for all of your help!! 😀
 
I am very open. I worked for over a year in the ED so I definitely would like to see another side. To be honest, my top choice is probably primary care.

Thanks for all of your help!! 😀

Hmm i'd try to do the reach out and read program. you can get to witness pediatrics which is one primary care field and the clinic you'd work with has a lot of underserved and diverse ethnic backgrounds in terms of the patient populus.

Contact Mrs. Kent at [email protected]

for an orientation. Otherwise try emailing people on the USF health website. Good luck
 
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