Florida Schools Application Thread (2008) part 2

[gujuDoc]

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As far as I know, that's not how state residency works.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/



That might be a little difficult to prove if one simply moved to the State upon acceptance.

I don't know but I think schools have their own policies. I think USF allows people to move to in state status after first year as presented above. In fact, I know they do because a guy from Philly is friends with one of my friends and a med student at USF. he was allowed instate residency status after first year from what he told me. Same with another one of his classmates from out west.

I think it works similarly in some other state schools in other states since I know NJMS does the same thing. Im sure there are others that do so as well.

 

[pandulce321]

Because that is what the admissions office told him when he called today 🙂

Still have my fingers crossed!

I really, really hope so. Everything is happening so slowly 🙁

 

[Flamen04]

Do any of you know that anyone that went to regular UCF (not honors college) and still go in a MD school during their first application cycle?

 

[UFMed]

Do any of you know that anyone that went to regular UCF (not honors college) and still go in a MD school during their first application cycle?

I know many that got in their first time 🙂

PM me for more info

 

[Tertbutyl]

Do any of you know that anyone that went to regular UCF (not honors college) and still go in a MD school during their first application cycle?

There are about 30 students from UCF attending allopathic school in the fall (according to the pre-professional office list). Are you talking about the honors USF/UCF 7 year program? Many in that program decide to attend elsewhere when they apply.

 

[Flamen04]

30? That's it? That seems a bit low :/

 

[Dr Sleep]

For all of those still waiting on UF, I am an out of state student and just got the acceptance call...I'm not sure what I will do..Im about 80/20 right now. I just wanted to let everyone know that UF is still moving, and although it is my alma mater and I just left the wonderful city of Gainesville a little less than a month ago, it is a tough decision.

 

[thegold91]

30? That's it? That seems a bit low :/

Don't worry about everyone else, focus on yourself. Do what you need to do and you'll be fine no matter how everyone else does. Worse comes to worse, you'll be the only one to get in.

 

[gujuDoc]

Do any of you know that anyone that went to regular UCF (not honors college) and still go in a MD school during their first application cycle?

I know USF has taken quite a few from UCF in the past. I also know FSU and UF has a few from UCF. They are actually a better program then people credit them for being. Its just that they have less premeds there cuz there was not a med school there til now. UF had a med school with connecting opportunities which is why it always looked more attractive. Same as USF and Miami. that's prob. why they have more premeds and hence more people going into medicine from those unis.

 

[timurx]

For all of those still waiting on UF, I am an out of state student and just got the acceptance call...I'm not sure what I will do..Im about 80/20 right now. I just wanted to let everyone know that UF is still moving, and although it is my alma mater and I just left the wonderful city of Gainesville a little less than a month ago, it is a tough decision.

Hey, i just rescinded my acceptance to UF earlier today, so that just may have been my spot that you got! Gluck, and hopefully i am able to help someone out

 

[pandulce321]

Hey, i just rescinded my acceptance to UF earlier today, so that just may have been my spot that you got! Gluck, and hopefully i am able to help someone out

Where did you decide to go Tim?

 

[Dr Sleep]

Hey, i just rescinded my acceptance to UF earlier today, so that just may have been my spot that you got! Gluck, and hopefully i am able to help someone out

Were you out of state? I've been accepted into the Medical College of Georgia already and have been set to start there in a few weeks and now am sort of conflicted. What helped you make your decision?

 

[timurx]

Where did you decide to go Tim?

It was a tough decision because UF is obviously great, but I chose to go to UM (Miami Campus)...i based this decision on where they stand today (both equally strong, even ranking-wise) but also where they are headed to in the future. For anyone familiar with UM Miller, its growing exponentially and, in my opinion, will very soon outshine its competition. Not to mention, the sheer experience of learning in jackson gives students at the end of four years a real sense of confidence and abilty to take on the "real world" medicine. Im not insinuating that other schools do not do this, but this has been my experience having talked to recent graduates of UM and some other FL schools...I was just really impressed with the end-product coming from UM.

It was a very hard decision though, because UF is extremely respectable and they do an impeccable job of preparing students for step 1, thats for sure.

Gluck luck to you, pandulce! I know you're waiting on the miami campus...hopefully we'll be classmates!

 

[timurx]

Were you out of state? I've been accepted into the Medical College of Georgia already and have been set to start there in a few weeks and now am sort of conflicted. What helped you make your decision?

Are you out of state for MC of Georgia, as well? In that case, I would prolly choose UF based on strength of their program (and besides you'd be paying OOS tuition for either). But, maybe you can apply for FL residency after a year and then get in-state tuition, as some people have been talking about on here?

 

[Dr Sleep]

Are you out of state for MC of Georgia, as well? In that case, I would prolly choose UF based on strength of their program (and besides you'd be paying OOS tuition for either). But, maybe you can apply for FL residency after a year and then get in-state tuition, as some people have been talking about on here?

No, I am a Georgia resident. The tuition difference after all 4 years would be about 50,000. Not that much in the grand scheme of things. MCG has a much better clinical exposure aspect than does UF after talking to graduates from both programs; however, I can't get past UF's ability to prepare for the step 1.

 

[timurx]

No, I am a Georgia resident. The tuition difference after all 4 years would be about 50,000. Not that much in the grand scheme of things. MCG has a much better clinical exposure aspect than does UF after talking to graduates from both programs; however, I can't get past UF's ability to prepare for the step 1.

I wouldn't underestimate UFs clinicals as well. Shands is a nationally renowned referral center and you do some of your rotation at Shands in Jacksonville, too. If the $50,000 doesn't factor too much into your decision, I would choose UF...its just a very solid program, amazing board scores, and students seems pretty happy there. Any idea of any specialty you'd like to pursue, or maybe you just wanna keep your options open?

Of course, maybe there are other factors that I don't know about you that may be influencing your choice (family, friends closeby, etc)...

 

[Dr Sleep]

I wouldn't underestimate UFs clinicals as well. Shands is a nationally renowned referral center and you do some of your rotation at Shands in Jacksonville, too. If the $50,000 doesn't factor too much into your decision, I would choose UF...its just a very solid program, amazing board scores, and students seems pretty happy there. Any idea of any specialty you'd like to pursue, or maybe you just wanna keep your options open?

Of course, maybe there are other factors that I don't know about you that may be influencing your choice (family, friends closeby, etc)...

Right nw I'm thinking Anesthesiology, as my name applies 🙂 MCG is one of the top clinical med schools in the nation, it far exceeds the experiences offered by UF. I just really need to decide which would feel more right for me, stay in Gainesville or grab a new experience...both medical schools match up equally across the board, only the clinical experience and daily structure seem to be the big differences.

 

[D-Bone]

Right nw I'm thinking Anesthesiology, as my name applies 🙂 MCG is one of the top clinical med schools in the nation, it far exceeds the experiences offered by UF. I just really need to decide which would feel more right for me, stay in Gainesville or grab a new experience...both medical schools match up equally across the board, only the clinical experience and daily structure seem to be the big differences.

Don't worry about the boards...they are what you put into them. And if you're not concerned with any financial difference between the programs, go where you think you'll be more comfortable and where you'll get a better overall experience. If you want some change, go to MCG, but if you're looking for the same as the last four years or so, stay in Florida. Either way, you'll get a great education.

 

[dog0]

Can someone answer this for me...

How come Miami has the busiest Hospital in the nation, yet it's hospital rankings aren't supberb (with the excpetion of Bascom Palmer)? There are plenty of underserved individuals in Miami, yet they aren't even ranked for Primary Care. That is what struck me as most odd about interviewing there.

Emory has the 2nd busiest Hospital in the Nation and is a highly respectable University.

 

[Flamen04]

Ranks aren't everything.. The hospital is probably busy 'cuz of the size of population it serves

 

[dog0]

Agreed. And I'm sure it sees more bread-and-butter cases than most institutions, so shouldn't it at least offer a reputable primary care education? That is what strikes me as most odd about the U. It's in Miami, hence people from all over the nation are automatically attracted to it, especially in the New York, Northeast area. I am from South Florida and have friends at Undergrad in Miami. I've met so many students from up North. Furthermore, they have Athletics. A solid football program should at least attract a few applicants. Schools that had nonexisting athletic department did not make my list of prospective medical schools. On top of that, the school is Private and isn't subject to any budget cuts. It's budget far exceeds Florida's, FSU's, and USF's.

Something just doesn't seem right. They have the staff, Bascom Palmer is a perfect example of their potential. Ranks might not be everything but it somewhat speaks for the University.

 

[deuist]

I don't want to see anyone on this board taking up dog0's troll bait, especially the incoming students who have not matriculated yet. If his question is a legitimate concern, I or one of the current medical students in clinical rotations will address it later.

 

[dog0]

I just had to refute a previous comment about Miami possibly becoming the Future Medical School of Florida.

And isn't Miami's new President changing a whole bunch of things in the Medical School? Obviously, there was something wrong...

 

[gujuDoc]

Can someone answer this for me...

How come Miami has the busiest Hospital in the nation, yet it's hospital rankings aren't supberb (with the excpetion of Bascom Palmer)? There are plenty of underserved individuals in Miami, yet they aren't even ranked for Primary Care. That is what struck me as most odd about interviewing there.

Emory has the 2nd busiest Hospital in the Nation and is a highly respectable University.

A lot of ranking is based on research funding and other national funding. Several years ago, maybe about 5, Miami was just barely hanging onto the top 50 list as a research ranked school but probably went down in research funding.

2 years ago they got a new Dean from Duke along with a lot of former Duke researchers so maybe they have a chance to regain status.

Furthermore, Palmer isn't the only hospital ranked that is affiliated with the U. There is also Miami Children's Hospital which is the only Children's hospital to be ranked in Fl. Lastly, Miami is a younger school compared to most of the other top ranked research universities, so I'm sure it doesn't have as much research fundings as a school that has been around much longer.

Also, Miami is only partially private but gets a lot of money from the state as well.

So these are some of the issues at hand. But in all, despite it, it is a very very strong university and the match lists and diversity of them and the fact that people are getting in highly competitive fields coming out of Miami speaks volumes.

 

[bball86]

withdrew from UF today, they are a great school, just doesnt fit me at this point in my life...i think
so new spot open good luck

 

[nickgov]

Anybody hear from USF lately? I only got the e-mail about the slow movement.

Nope...just the e-mail. I'm really starting to get nervous!

 

[gujuDoc]

I just had to refute a previous comment about Miami possibly becoming the Future Medical School of Florida.

And isn't Miami's new President changing a whole bunch of things in the Medical School? Obviously, there was something wrong...

And since when do changes mean that something is wrong? Maybe its an improvement not that it was totally wrong in the first place.

USF has changed a lot since Dean Klasko came on as well. Does it mean something was very wrong???? No!!! They just had more innovative ideas for the curricula and are constantly trying to find a way to improve it and make things better. They've added new programs i.e. joint MBA/MD programs, joint MD/PhD programs which they somewhat had but not as official, improved technology in the classrooms. it doesn't mean something is very wrong with them. It just means they are trying to improve on what they already have. I'd assume the same is true of Miami.

 

[wally47]

i Don't Want To See Anyone On This Board Taking Up Dog0's troll Bait, Especially The Incoming Students Who Have Not Matriculated Yet. If His Question Is A Legitimate Concern, I Or One Of The Current Medical Students In Clinical Rotations Will Address It Later.

Agreed!

 

[pandulce321]

I had the most pointless conversation with UM admissions today.

Me: Will you be handing out acceptances this week?
Lady: Maybe.
Me: Well has the committee met recently?.
Lady: They meet once a week.
Me: Does that mean they hand out a few acceptances every week.
Lady: No.
Me: Well when is the committee suppose to meet again?
Lady: I think they might meet tomorrow, or they might not.
Me: Ummmm thanks....

 

[dog0]

LOL if she's the girl at Coral Gables, at least she's cute 😛

 

[deuist]

Hinkley is out of town right now---which is why there might be a slow down. I wouldn't press the admissions committee too much. They're very good at filling the class before matriculation. I know that you're very eager to hear back from them, but you'll have to wait. Calling them won't get you anywhere.

 

[greg1184]

I had the most pointless conversation with UM admissions today.

Me: Will you be handing out acceptances this week?
Lady: Maybe.
Me: Well has the committee met recently?.
Lady: They meet once a week.
Me: Does that mean they hand out a few acceptances every week.
Lady: No.
Me: Well when is the committee suppose to meet again?
Lady: I think they might meet tomorrow, or they might not.
Me: Ummmm thanks....

I am sure you didn't speak with Agnes.

 

[xiaoyi666]

lol, good thing I didn't call today, definitely thought about it. If it's not Agnes then it's Francia, unless there are others? I think it depends on the mood you catch them in.

Is Dr. Hinkley still out? I thought he's been out for a while. Plus, isn't it just the secretaries going down the waitlist at this point? I thought the list was already made and ranked and adcom was no longer involved or I could be wrong.

 

[galaxie]

^ as far as I know they still meet once per week before offering any acceptances to those on the wait list

 

[gujuDoc]

In regards to the person deciding between UF and MCG:
I say go where your gut instinct tells you you will feel more comfortable at and also where it is a better financial deal and better support system.

the boards are what you make of them. UF does prepare you well but you can get the same result in any US med school if you put the effort in yourself.

 

[thegold91]

here is the list of how
Many people got into a u.s allopatric med school from ucf this year as recorded by the pre health office. 1 gw. 3 fsu. 8 usf. 2 nymc. 4 um. 4 uf. 2 ponce ( not sure if this should be included) 1 university of cincinatti. The previous post that counted around 30 also included people who will be attending St. Matthew's in the carribean(obviously non-us).

 

[Endee]

here is the list of how
Many people got into a u.s allopatric med school from ucf this year as recorded by the pre health office. 1 gw. 3 fsu. 8 usf. 2 nymc. 4 um. 4 uf. 2 ponce ( not sure if this should be included) 1 university of cincinatti

Thats based on self-reporting by the student to the pre-health advising office. If they don't tell the office they got accepted somewhere, it doesn't go on their list.

 

[thegold91]

Thats based on self-reporting by the student to the pre-health advising office. If they don't tell the office they got accepted somewhere, it doesn't go on their list.

I'm not sure about that. I was under the impression they recorded people who did not apply through the pre-health office as some are listed with asterisks denoting that. Did i miss someone that you know?

 

[UFMed]

I'm not sure about that. I was under the impression they recorded people who did not apply through the pre-health office as some are listed with asterisks denoting that. Did i miss someone that you know?

The asterisk denotes that they didn't use the PHPAO packet system (independent of the PHPAO office's help). If they didn't use the packet (which UCF students are not required to use but are recommended to use) then they are considered independent of that particular office.

Susie only knows who is accepted (and where) if they tell her directly. The office doesn't have tabs on every UCF student who will apply & matriculate to medical school.

 

[UFMed]

Thats based on self-reporting by the student to the pre-health advising office. If they don't tell the office they got accepted somewhere, it doesn't go on their list.

Exactly- the numbers listed only reflect those who used the packet (or didn't use it) and actually reported the outcome to Susie.

There have been instances in the past where UCF Alumni have matriculated into medical school after taking a year-off after graduation or have pursued other careers before switching to pre-med status (they may not use the PHPAO). Other UCF students (including Master's students) will use their current school for application help and not UCF's PHPAO. Remember, the packet system at UCF has requirements and deadlines- and not all students may be eligible to use it.

(And yes, some students pursue master's degrees before applying for their first time... the former President of Pre-med AMSA at UCF (2004-2005) decided to put off applying to med school to pursue a master's/research at U of Califonia-San Diego and a year later applied via AMCAS. She decided to matriculate to UCSD's med school.)

 

[dog0]

Who cares where you go to Undergrad. As long as your GPA is stellar and well above the average Pre-Med's GPA in your school, you have a competitive GPA, and plenty of ECs, you will be competitive yourself. Ofcourse the better the institution, the more resources will be available to you, but I think it's pretty insignifcant. If you're an overachiever and focused on medical school, you will succeed, regardless of which Florida school you went to.

Yeah, yeah UF is the **** in Florida, but when I interviewed up North (Michigan, Pitt) and even in the West (Colorado), the only thing my interviewers and applicants knew about the Gators is that they win Championships. I used to think I was the **** because I went to the best school in Florida but trust me, noone cares and either should you 😛 I guess this may be a little off-topic, but I'm sure some of you will also be applying OOS. In my interview at Florida there were students from FIU and UNF. I'll be going to UVA in the Fall, and there's also a student from FSU in the class. Don't be discouraged if you don't go to one of the 'elite' schools in Florida. You will be as equally qualified if you have a high GPA and competitive MCAT score.

 

[dog0]

I don't understand why Floridians are shocked when they hear about a UCF or FIU alumni going to medical school. Stop being judgemental.

 

[gujuDoc]

I don't understand why Floridians are shocked when they hear about a UCF or FIU alumni going to medical school. Stop being judgemental.

I think a lot of people don't think about universities like UNF, FIU, and UCF because most of these schools were not traditionally associated with medical schools so there were smaller numbers of premeds who were going there since people have a tendency to either go to a school where regardless of the presence of a med school or not it is well known...think Princeton or MIT here as examples.

Or they tend to go to schools affiliated with a medical school.

With FIU and UCF both opening medical schools, and UCF having some of the greatest opportunities to grow in the next few years I thinnk both schools will come up dramatically. I think UCF already has MD Anderson Orlando on their side, A branch of Burnham Institute of Research, collaborations with UF underway. Not to mention the other things I've discussed in the past. So they will see an influx of premed students in the near future. same with FIU. as its medical school develops I see more premeds starting to go there.

I think UCF is actually a pretty good school but in the past because of the lack of medical school no one ever looked or considered it. However, they have far better science courses then at USF including a lot of medically relevant classes like gross anatomy, histology, endocrinology, pharmacology, hematology, etc. that are offered to ugrads. So yeah just some stuff to throw out there.

 

[dog0]

I do not know 1 single person who chose their Undergraduate school based on future goals. I went to UF basically because of personal issues; I liked the campus and thought it was a better school. Even my friends from Undergraduate who went to Ivy-Leagues were pretty random in the selection process. They applied to a whole bunch of good schools, whichever accepted them and offered more money, they chose. They didn't sit down and actually say "Umm, this school has a stronger emphasis on Medicine, maybe I'll go there since I want to be a Doctor!"

 

[wally47]

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH😎

 

[MossPoh]

UCF isn't a tiny school. Even if it isn't known as a "premed" type school. You expect more than 30 or so students out of a 40,000+ student population. Are you sure many people just don't say? I mean, I don't fill out a lot of crap that my school sends me. I don't fill my current school (FSU) in on anything unless it is required.

 

[Endee]

We have something like 800 Biology undergraduates and even more Molecular and Microbiology undergraduates. A significant chunk of them are pre-medicine. Even if you figure just a small percentage of them are actually accepted, I'd venture a guess that at the very least 100-200 UCF students, probably more, enter medical school every year.

Oh, and I'm also one of those people that went for a Masters before even applying to medical school. I just graduated from UCF in May, and immediately started a M.S. program here. Most of the reasons were financial--UCF is giving me about $30,000 per year over the two years of the masters degree. Since I would have had to take a gap year anyway, I decided to apply next year and do the Masters.

 

[gujuDoc]

I do not know 1 single person who chose their Undergraduate school based on future goals. I went to UF basically because of personal issues; I liked the campus and thought it was a better school. Even my friends from Undergraduate who went to Ivy-Leagues were pretty random in the selection process. They applied to a whole bunch of good schools, whichever accepted them and offered more money, they chose. They didn't sit down and actually say "Umm, this school has a stronger emphasis on Medicine, maybe I'll go there since I want to be a Doctor!"

I know a lot of people who chose their school based on its reputation as a good school in terms of getting into med school i.e. people I know at UF and Miami. i also know quite a bit of people who chose USF for the 7 year program who later decided not to do it and apply through regular cycle to get in med school elsewhere but they freely admit they went to USF for the back up of going to USF via 7 year if they couldn't get higher then the minimums.

So I guess it depends. Also I thinnk you'd be a fool to say people don't think about what school they'd go to without looking at its reputation as a school in terms of things like the fields of interest i.e. good engineering school vs. good music school vs. good science program. Many people I grew up around did look at these things. So like I said, it all just depends.

I do seriously think the science reputation and medical school associations do play a bigger role then you credit to people choosing schools like UF and Miami over other schools.

 

[deuist]

Only 93 UCF students applied for medical school last year.

 

[Endee]

Only 93 UCF students applied for medical school last year.

Really? In that case, I stand corrected. Alot of the pre-meds must get weeded out even before applying. I thought much more got to that point.