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[SkiOtter]

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That's the timeframe if everything is being even more rushed than it's currently going. In all reality, your game will probably be over by the time the signups say they're ready.

And then we run into dubz’s game which needs to run before coop starts her internship, which I believe is in June iirc.

 

[finnickthedog]

No, I literally have been saying this whole time that I'm fine with overlap so everyone can run what they've been wanting to run when they want to run it. That's the opposite of wanting all eyes on a single game regarding importance.

And I have literally said repeatedly that overlap does not work well. That I have tried in the past and it results in people who aren't as engaged in the game. Heck, I had one player even try to vote themselves off because they couldn't keep up with two games at once.

Forcing other games to overlap because you can't fathom shortening cycles is not accommodating. It is the opposite of accommodating.

That's the timeframe if everything is being even more rushed than it's currently going. In all reality, your game will probably be over by the time the signups say they're ready.

Cool. There are 2 other games that want to run this month. I don't think it's particularly nice to bulldoze them either.

 

[Animal Midwife]

And I have literally said repeatedly that overlap does not work well. That I have tried in the past and it results in people who aren't as engaged in the game. Heck, I had one player even try to vote themselves off because they couldn't keep up with two games at once.

I've only seen success with the rare instances of overlap, but what do I know.

Ultimately though, no one is being forced to play 2 games simultaneously. I encourage people to only sign up for one if that's all they have time for. It doesn't affect me because champs is only running when all 15 say they're ready. I'm not going to jumpstart it the second the last spot gets filled with no warning or confirmation.

Forcing other games to overlap because you can't fathom shortening cycles is not accommodating. It is the opposite of accommodating.

It's not very accommodating if people find themselves run ragged and miss the majority (or all) of 12/12 cycles trying to work during the day.

Cool. There are 2 other games that want to run this month. I don't think it's particularly nice to bulldoze them either.

We'll cross that bridge when we get there, yeah? I'm sure something will work out like it has the past three years.

 

[SkiOtter]

I still don’t even understand WHY we need a damn practice game. It’s not like it’s much different from you just playing a regular game as practice before the “big championship game”

 

[Animal Midwife]

I still don’t even understand WHY we need a damn practice game. It’s not like it’s much different from you just playing a regular game as practice before the “big championship game”

Have a look previous championship games.

 

[SkiOtter]

Have a look previous championship games.

Nah

 

[finnickthedog]

I've only seen success with the rare instances of overlap, but what do I know.

Pretty sure you played the game I had to overlap and a player literally tried to vote herself out, but I guess you don't remember that. Which fair enough becaus you were a player, not a mod. But as it was my game I remember it distinctly and I would never do it again.

Ultimately though, no one is being forced to play 2 games simultaneously. I encourage people to only sign up for one if that's all they have time for.

WE may not even have enough players to fill out the roster for my game. Flush's game that he just ran wasn't able to fill. But you think we have enough people to fill out rosters for two simultaneous games?

It's not very accommodating if people find themselves run ragged and miss the majority (or all) of 12/12 cycles trying to work during the day.

It's also not very accommodating when people get run ragged during long cycles--and then criticized for it--like happened to multiple people in the England game. But that's kind of beside the point, isn't it?

 

[Animal Midwife]

Nah

Okay, so then it makes no sense to argue against something you haven't even seen before.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Pretty sure you played the game I had to overlap and a player literally tried to vote herself out, but I guess you don't remember that. Which fair enough becaus you were a player, not a mod. But as it was my game I remember it distinctly and I would never do it again.

Thar player should have just subbed out plain and simple. I'm assuming the mass majority of the player list was just fine with the simultaneous games though since only one player was self-voting.

WE may not even have enough players to fill out the roster for my game. Flush's game that he just ran wasn't able to fill. But you think we have enough people to fill out rosters for two simultaneous games?

You may have missed it because you only played England, but that was because we just ran two back-to-back 100+ page games, with the set core people in endgame, and his landed during the start of finals season. Just unfortunate timing. Now people will be off and have a break assuming no one steps up to fill the gap soon.

It's also not very accommodating when people get run ragged during long cycles--and then criticized for it--like happened to multiple people in the England game. But that's kind of beside the point, isn't it?

Unless they are not the representative, it is the point. Majority rules and all that. The game is mainly for the representative so if they dislike longer cycles, that won't be a thing. If they dislike short cycles, that won't be a thing. Easy as that.

 

[alissa14]

Idk if it helps with schedule conflict or anything but WWizards is ready to go 100%. I could in theory get roles out today if we had the signups. I gotta check with BC and Wonder and see if they’re good but I don’t foresee any issues

 

[PippyPony]

Is there a reason why we need to finalize the nominees before running the practice? The people who are nominated typically sign up for games to begin with, so I assume they would sign up even if not chosen yet.

And in terms of timing/making it as real as possible... oftentimes the champs are artificially protected in the practice games anyways, so it's not even an exact replica of their game experience to begin with, despite having a similar format.

I just feel like we're currently looking at an open 12 day window before May 7th and it feels like that's a great opportunity to fit all of these things in 🙂

 

[PippyPony]

Idk if it helps with schedule conflict or anything but WWizards is ready to go 100%. I could in theory get roles out today if we had the signups. I gotta check with BC and Wonder and see if they’re good but I don’t foresee any issues

Oh or this 🙂

 

[finnickthedog]

Thar player should have just subbed out plain and simple. I'm assuming the mass majority of the player list was just fine with the simultaneous games though since only one player was self-voting.

The vast majority of the player list wasn't playing two games. But the ones that were struggled. Only one tried to vote themselves out, but that doesn't mean everyone else was fine.

It did not go well. I would not do again. The fact that you're fine with overlap, doesn't mean all other mods have to be.

As to subbing out... we can barely fill out rosters sometimes. Where on earth do you think magic subs are coming from?

You may have missed it because you only played England, but that was because we just ran two back-to-back 100+ page games, with the set core people in endgame, and his landed during the start of finals season. Just unfortunate timing. Now people will be off and have a break assuming no one steps up to fill the gap soon.

It's been weeks since then and I'm currently trying to fill out a roster for a game that doesn't run for two weeks. I also asked about running it a week later if that would work for more people. I still only have half the roster filled. So I think it's really bold to assume we'd have enough players to fill out two entire rosters.

Unless they are not the representative, it is the point. Majority rules and all that. The game is mainly for the representative so if they dislike longer cycles, that won't be a thing. If they dislike short cycles, that won't be a thing. Easy as that.

The representative is not the most important person on SDN and the champs game is not the most important WW on SDN.

If their longer cycles interfere with other games that people want to run, then I don't think they should get whatever cycle lengths they want just because. This isn't about just one game, it's also about trying to make this work for everybody and be cooperative because many people want to run games this month because it's the only time that they have to do so.

And your attitude that they should get whatever cycle lengths they want no matter how it impacts other games is exactly why I'm saying you're acting like this game is most important. It is not. It is just another game.

 

[finnickthedog]

Idk if it helps with schedule conflict or anything but WWizards is ready to go 100%. I could in theory get roles out today if we had the signups. I gotta check with BC and Wonder and see if they’re good but I don’t foresee any issues

It probably does help. Go for it.

 

[PippyPony]

Let's just elect @Aprilthearab . She'll be dead 2 days into the practice game because her reads are too good to be village, and that'll be that.

😉

 

[Animal Midwife]

I don't think we're going to ever see eye to eye on this, and debating isn't going to change the outcome anyway.

I do think alissa going now prevents any of the worst case scenarios being discussed here though.

 

[Lawpy]

I don't think we're going to ever see eye to eye on this, and debating isn't going to change the outcome anyway.

I do think alissa going now prevents any of the worst case scenarios being discussed here though.

Why can't we just end the nominations now and hit the voting stage?

 

[Animal Midwife]

Why can't we just end the nominations now and hit the voting stage?

No, I rather not create any forced overlaps if it's that controversial.

 

[Lawpy]

Wait so alissa's game is up next? Ok will wait for signups to be posted to get the mass tags ready

 

[Lawpy]

No, I rather not create any forced overlaps if it's that controversial.

At least decide who's going for champs though? Why are we delaying that part?

 

[Animal Midwife]

At least decide who's going for champs though? Why are we delaying that part?

Well for a big one, Dina hasn't said whether she accepts or declines yet. I know y'all are excited but it's fine.

 

[finnickthedog]

Wait so alissa's game is up next? Ok will wait for signups to be posted to get the mass tags ready

I think she's checking with the other mods, but assuming they're on board then yes she's going to run now.
Then I'll run if I hit 20 players.
I think RvB is supposed to go after me. Don't know what is going on with the practice game.

 

[Lawpy]

Well for a big one, Dina hasn't said whether she accepts or declines yet. I know y'all are excited but it's fine.

I'm trying to get things moving to resolve this practice game issue. Dina's the only one but that's not going to take all the way to May 7

 

[Animal Midwife]

I'm trying to get things moving to resolve this practice game issue. Dina's the only one but that's not going to take all the way to May 7

It going faster would be the issue as I laid out. That's why alissa opted to go first.

I also don't understand how we are going to vote without a response from one of the viable candidates.

 

[Lawpy]

It going faster would be the issue as I laid out. That's why alissa opted to go first.

I also don't understand how we are going to vote without a response from one of the viable candidates.

When does champs actually start for us?

 

[finnickthedog]

I also don't understand how we are going to vote without a response from one of the viable candidates.

Have anyone who votes for her also place a secondary vote and then if she declines, count the second vote instead?

To be clear, I'm not pushing you to vote right now. But if you wanted to, that's a way you could open voting before her response.

 

[Animal Midwife]

When does champs actually start for us?

When the representative chooses their date. Do you see the issue now?

 

[SkiOtter]

I don’t know why you didn’t decide to reserve time like 2 months ago when slots for May were starting to fill if it was so important to you that a practice game be held for whoever ends up going

 

[Lawpy]

When the representative chooses their date. Do you see the issue now?

So why can't we do alissa game --> finny game --> WZ game --> practice game if we have flexibility?

 

[Animal Midwife]

So why can't we do alissa game --> finny game --> WZ game --> practice game if we have flexibility?

We absolutely can and it's what I'm aiming for. Going right now complicates things.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I don’t know why you didn’t decide to reserve time like 2 months ago when slots for May were starting to fill if it was so important to you that a practice game be held for whoever ends up going

Well, it's a given like the noob game. Every May until SDN doesn't want to rep anymore is "reserved" technically. Didn't think I had to put it on the list.

 

[Lawpy]

We absolutely can and it's what I'm aiming for. Going right now complicates things.

So wait.. i don't understand the issue? We close nominations on May 7 as originally planned. By then finny's game will start and we can run the practice game by late May?

 

[SkiOtter]

Well, it's a given like the noob game. Every May until SDN doesn't want to rep anymore is "reserved" technically. Didn't think I had to put it on the list.

You need to put it on the list because this is NOT MU and everything doesn’t revolve around it. Every May is not reserved unless you reserve it.

 

[finnickthedog]

Well, it's a given like the noob game. Every May until SDN doesn't want to rep anymore is "reserved" technically. Didn't think I had to put it on the list.

We can't rep without a practice game? I don't even recall there being a practice game back when I was a noob but we were still sending people iirc.

May is also when everyone finishes school and typically before the new graduates start work. Which is why a bunch of people want to run right now.

The noob game at least pulls a completely different pool of people so overlap is less of an issue and even though it usually runs around the same time, the noob game (which I had to schedule around several times) still books a spot like any other game and doesn't just assume that everyone will move.

 

[Animal Midwife]

So wait.. i don't understand the issue? We close nominations on May 7 as originally planned. By then finny's game will start and we can run the practice game by late May?

Nominations close Wednesday.

May 7th is the proposed start date of the Animals game. Late May will probably work regardless though.

The only issue is people are excited and want to start champs stuff now, but there are conflicts that come with doing that.

 

[finnickthedog]

The only issue is people are excited and want to start champs stuff now, but there are conflicts that come with doing that.

The reason people wanted to start champs stuff now is because we had an open almost 2 week gap and multiple games in May after mine.

It wasn't a matter of excitement, it was a matter of trying to make everything fit.

Hopefully alissa can move her game to fit the gap instead.

 

[Lawpy]

Nominations close Wednesday.

May 7th is the proposed start date of the Animals game. Late May will probably work regardless though.

The only issue is people are excited and want to start champs stuff now, but there are conflicts that come with doing that.

Oh i see. I think late May would be good for the practice game. By then, we'll already know who the reps will be and they'd already be warmed up from playing finny and WZ games

 

[Animal Midwife]

We can't rep without a practice game? I don't even recall there being a practice game back when I was a noob but we were still sending people iirc.

May is also when everyone finishes school and typically before the new graduates start work. Which is why a bunch of people want to run right now.

The noob game at least pulls a completely different pool of people so overlap is less of an issue and even though it usually runs around the same time, the noob game (which I had to schedule around several times) still books a spot like any other game and doesn't just assume that everyone will move.

Yeah, it's been a thing ever since dy moved on to rep MU instead. I guess I can put next year's practice game on the list after this one ends, but it's really just expected at this point.

 

[SkiOtter]

The reason people wanted to start champs stuff now is because we had an open almost 2 week gap and multiple games in May after mine.

It wasn't a matter of excitement, it was a matter of trying to make everything fit.

Hopefully alissa can move her game to fit the gap instead.

^^ this
Don’t think people are that excited about a game on a different platform that most people don’t pay attention to. Just wanting a game in general that you insist must be played in a slot that is empty

 

[Animal Midwife]

The reason people wanted to start champs stuff now is because we had an open almost 2 week gap and multiple games in May after mine.

It wasn't a matter of excitement, it was a matter of trying to make everything fit.

Hopefully alissa can move her game to fit the gap instead.

Yes, but this is literally the option that has highest chance of overlap. Either it runs later and is more likely to be standalone or it runs immediately after voting closes and has a very high chance of overlap.

 

[SkiOtter]

it's really just expected at this point.

really only expected by you. Most people here do not play on MU nor do they go and watch the champs game.

 

[Animal Midwife]

really only expected by you. Most people here do not play on MU nor do they go and watch the champs game.

I know you rarely do WW-related things because this couldn't be further from the truth.

 

[finnickthedog]

Yeah, it's been a thing ever since dy moved on to rep MU instead. I guess I can put next year's practice game on the list after this one ends, but it's really just expected at this point.

But it doesn't have to be a thing. It's not like we can't rep without a practice game.

And the SDN games shouldn't be taking an arbitrary backseat to something that runs on another site and half of us don't even have much involvement in.

I'm really glad for you that you're so excited about the champs game, but maybe stop bulldozing everyone else over it like it's the most important thing to happen every year.

I'm pretty damn excited about my own game, but I've offered to move it multiple times to try and work with other people because I'm sure they're excited about their games too.

Yes, but this is literally the option that has highest chance of overlap. Either it runs later and is more likely to be standalone or it runs immediately after voting closes and has a very high chance of overlap.

Has the highest chance of overlap with my game assuming you or whoever reps is rigid about cycle lengths.
Prior to alissa moving her game, running in late May had a pretty high chance overlap with someone else's game.

I know you rarely do WW-related because this couldn't be further from the truth.

I mean, I know I haven't played actively in a year but I still socialize with people who WW. I'm not going to say nobody cares about the MU game because that would be a lie... but most people I've talked to don't care nearly as much you seem to think they do and there's a decent handful of people who don't care at all.

 

[Animal Midwife]

But it doesn't have to be a thing. It's not like we can't rep without a practice game.

And the SDN games shouldn't be taking an arbitrary backseat to something that runs on another site and half of us don't even have much involvement in.

I'm really glad for you that you're so excited about the champs game, but maybe stop bulldozing everyone else over it like it's the most important thing to happen every year.

I'm pretty damn excited about my own game, but I've offered to move it multiple times to try and work with other people because I'm sure they're excited about their games too.

Let me explain it a different way.

You want to play in a board game tournament. You've played other board games, but not this specific one listed for the tournament to date. Almost everyone else competing has played it at least once. What would create the best chances of performing well?

Has the highest chance of overlap with my game assuming you or whoever reps is rigid about cycle lengths.
Prior to alissa moving her game, running in late May had a pretty high chance overlap with someone else's game.



I mean, I know I haven't played actively in a year but I still socialize with people who WW. I'm not going to say nobody cares about the MU game because that would be a lie... but most people I've talked to don't care nearly as much you seem to think they do and there's a decent handful of people who don't care at all.

Well, good for them. Then they'll have more free time since they won't ask for access to the private chat used to follow along.

 

[finnickthedog]

You want to play in a board game tournament. You've played other board games, but not this specific one listed for the tournament to date. Almost everyone else has played it at least once. What would create the best chances of performing well?

Let me put it this way:

If I'm a decent person, I don't bulldoze everyone else who plays board games because I'm signed up for a board game tournament that none of the rest of them are even playing.

 

[Crayola227]

I still don’t even understand WHY we need a damn practice game. It’s not like it’s much different from you just playing a regular game as practice before the “big championship game”

I've been nominated and I would like a practice game. MU is def culture shock.

No night talk is hard.

 

[Crayola227]

Idk if it helps with schedule conflict or anything but WWizards is ready to go 100%. I could in theory get roles out today if we had the signups. I gotta check with BC and Wonder and see if they’re good but I don’t foresee any issues

Are those the only mods? How many games has the lead mod ran before? Was your game design looked over by someone with experience? Is this a basics game or role madness? Is it based on a classic set up or totally new?

 

[finnickthedog]

I've been nominated and I would like a practice game. MU is def culture shock.

No night talk is hard.

Just to be clear, I don't have an issue with there being a practice game. What I have an issue with is the insistence that practice game can't accommodate others by not running long cycles or actually accelerating picking a nominee so we can actually pick a start date and work it into the schedule with other games as opposed to "it runs when it runs".

I have an issue with it being treated as more important than other games.

I'm happy for people who are excited about the MU game. But I'm excited about my game, I think the other mods are excited about their games and I don't want to see other people getting bulldozed because this single game can't just be flexible.

I'm also tbh really confused about why it's running in late May if the qualifiers start in Mid May. But that's an aside.

 

[PippyPony]

Are those the only mods? How many games has the lead mod ran before? Was your game design looked over by someone with experience? Is this a basics game or role madness? Is it based on a classic set up or totally new?

Cray please do not attack the new mods on their experience level. If you don't want to play their game, then don't.

Can everyone try to just cool down for a bit? This thread is getting hostile. Look at this happy chi in a pool.

Such relax 🥰

 

[Crayola227]

Cray please do not attack the new mods on their experience level. If you don't want to play their game, then don't.

Can everyone just cool down for a bit? This thread is getting hostile. Look at this happy chi in a pool.

Such relax

I don't see how my questions, which are questions, was attacking anybody.

I'm trying to decide if I'm going to play the game. If we want to avoid problems, the answers to these questions are the best way for me to determine if the game is appropriate for me to play or not.

Not sure why the only way for me to figure this out is not to ask questions about the game and its set up and take a blind leap of faith. All or nothing. That's ridiculous.