Ge oec one. C arm recommendations

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Looking for Feedback on GE OEC One and Comparable C-Arms

Currently we use a genoray zen 7000 which imm not very happy with in regards to image quality

I’m hoping to hear from anyone with experience using the GE OEC One with an image intensifier. From what I understand, its generator isn’t as powerful as the GE OEC 9900, but the OEC One features newer technology and is priced similarly to a refurbished 9900 (around $75K).

Ziehm Solo and the Siemens Cios series (Select II, Flow, Fusion) should be similar as they have the same generator size. Does anyone have insights on how these models compare, particularly in terms of imaging quality on 3-400 pound patients.

Any input would be appreciated, especially if you’ve used multiple systems!
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Ziehm is a warrior for my group. It’s been there for 15 years at least. Good image quality even for fatties. We just got oec 9800 refurb (which apparently is very similar in image quality to 9900) for 30k
 
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Dr. Ice said:
Ziehm is a warrior for my group. It’s been there for 15 years at least. Good image quality even for fatties. We just got oec 9800 refurb (which apparently is very similar in image quality to 9900) for 30k
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Well.. how does ziehm compare? Which ziehm model do you have?
 
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I’ll check..Ziehm solo, monitor is attached. Picture quality is very good in my opinion and it’s an old model.
 
I have been very happy with my OEC 9900, refurbished. They included five years of factory warranty. super C (can oblique >50 on both sides) and has DSA.
 
Wondering how the generator power compares between these models with regard to image quality. We just recently got a Genoray for our expansion. We have 2 Zen 7000s and have been happy with them so we got a Genoray Oscar 15i, which is supposed to be very similar to the Zen 7000. It has a 15kW generator. There was also a flat panel Oscar model with a much lower power generator for about the same price, but the rep told us it wouldn’t do well with anybody over about 200 lbs. I know the OEC one has a much lower generator power though, and many of you raving about it are in the Biscuits and Gravy belt. Any issues? (Sort of a moot point for us now, since our new unit was delivered 2 weeks ago).
 
callmeanesthesia said:
Wondering how the generator power compares between these models with regard to image quality. We just recently got a Genoray for our expansion. We have 2 Zen 7000s and have been happy with them so we got a Genoray Oscar 15i, which is supposed to be very similar to the Zen 7000. It has a 15kW generator. There was also a flat panel Oscar model with a much lower power generator for about the same price, but the rep told us it wouldn’t do well with anybody over about 200 lbs. I know the OEC one has a much lower generator power though, and many of you raving about it are in the Biscuits and Gravy belt. Any issues? (Sort of a moot point for us now, since our new unit was delivered 2 weeks ago).
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You're not the first to mention the lower generator power of the OEC One, but I think that may be the straw man argument for the competition. I'm 2 weeks in to an upgrade from a 9900 to a OEC One. Blasting through my patients that barely squeeze between the c-arm to deliver great images! Reporting from deep in the "Biscuits and Gravy Belt." (love that and incorporating into my vernacular)
 
callmeanesthesia said:
Wondering how the generator power compares between these models with regard to image quality. We just recently got a Genoray for our expansion. We have 2 Zen 7000s and have been happy with them so we got a Genoray Oscar 15i, which is supposed to be very similar to the Zen 7000. It has a 15kW generator. There was also a flat panel Oscar model with a much lower power generator for about the same price, but the rep told us it wouldn’t do well with anybody over about 200 lbs. I know the OEC one has a much lower generator power though, and many of you raving about it are in the Biscuits and Gravy belt. Any issues? (Sort of a moot point for us now, since our new unit was delivered 2 weeks ago).
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So we have the zen 7000 and i’ve been very unimpressed with thr quality especially with laterals. Just today I had a caudal esi and it was annoying to see the program unable to adjust to the air interface. I think the zen 7000 is 5 kW?

The generator power is my biggest concern as well but it seems that it is a non issue (ziehm solo fd is also a similar generator size)
 
Bros..oec one seems to be like 75k..kudos to y’all who can afford to pay for that. Must be nice to drive a Ferrari..

Idk..20k procedures in probably by this point, not sure if I need all that, but I guess if the money is raining for you guys why not.

I used a refurbished oec dinosaur which we couldn’t even get anyone to service for 5 years until the physicist failed it, with no issue for 1000s of bread and butter procedures with no issue…
 
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Dr. Ice said:
Bros..oec one seems to be like 75k..kudos to y’all who can afford to pay for that. Must be nice to drive a Ferrari..

Idk..20k procedures in probably by this point, not sure if I need all that, but I guess if the money is raining for you guys why not.

I used a refurbished oec dinosaur which we couldn’t even get anyone to service for 5 years until the physicist failed it, with no issue for 1000s of bread and butter procedures with no issue…
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We had an OEC 9600, until it broke and we went through several failed attempts to repair it, and then more time to purchase, receive, and pass inspection on a new unit, costing us weeks of decreased productivity at probably several thousand per day. After that, the 5 year warranty Genoray offered was looking pretty good. Also the image quality was garbage on that 9600. I refused to do CESIs in that room because I couldn’t see the needle well enough.
 
Oec one generator is terrible. Not enough oomph to take a good picture. The one I have access to is a II model. Won’t oblique past 30 degrees left.

Here is a lateral on a 200lb man with it turned all the way up.
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Genoray Oscar is better and the generator is twice the size. It also saves every picture to the hard drive automatically.
 
If you want to take very good/excellent pictures on patients over 300lbs you need an OEC Elite flat panel.
 
BobBarker said:
Oec one generator is terrible. Not enough oomph to take a good picture. The one I have access to is a II model. Won’t oblique past 30 degrees left.

Here is a lateral on a 200lb man with it turned all the way up. View attachment 394173Genoray Oscar is better and the generator is twice the size. It also saves every picture to the hard drive automatically.
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Where are you using the oec one II? This is where i’m conflicted because cowboydoc is saying pics are better than 9900 and others are saying similar things about ziehm solo fd (same generator) and i’ve also heard good things about quality of pics for the cios select (same generator size) which seem to be the new workhorses for pain clinics (costing less than 100k) versus getting a decade old refurbished 98-9900. the idea being yes weaker generator but 12 year newer technology

Also i saw on your previous post you used genoray. Is the oscar in your clinic or was it zen 7000? I’ve played quite a bit with the zen7000 and i’m just not getting that oomph from it. I assume the oscar is the higher end more expensive machine…
 
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signofspeed said:
That’s a hospital budget machine
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I know a pain doc with one in his office. I could have bought one for around $134,000 when I was setting up my office.


The zen 7000 has a 15kw generator so should be comparable to a 9900. If it isn’t taking good pictures, the patient is too big, it needs service, or operator error.
 
BobBarker said:
Oec one generator is terrible. Not enough oomph to take a good picture. The one I have access to is a II model. Won’t oblique past 30 degrees left.

Here is a lateral on a 200lb man with it turned all the way up. View attachment 394173Genoray Oscar is better and the generator is twice the size. It also saves every picture to the hard drive automatically.
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It looks like you have the mag turned on and no collimation whatsoever. If you would learn to use the machine the right way there would be less radiation and a better picture.
 
BobBarker said:
I know a pain doc with one in his office. I could have bought one for around $134,000 when I was setting up my office.


The zen 7000 has a 15kw generator so should be comparable to a 9900. If it isn’t taking good pictures, the patient is too big, it needs service, or operator error.
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Yes it is suppose to be the equivalent to ge 9900. Physicist said image quality was definitely inferior (in defense of operator error), while tech said everything checks out in regards to servicing. I need to investigate more into the servicing I guess
 
Oh, I know how to use the machines.
The OEC One is at an ASC and I have given up on teaching the c-arm there.

I collimate and run my pulses at 8/s in office.
 
But I don’t think the mag was on. It is a small c arm and the source was probably very close
to the patient.
 
IAmTheOne1 said:
OEC One CFD takes great pictures even in large patients and on laterals, no problems at all.
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Thanks! I wonder how much better it is compared to II. It’s a $40,000 (75 vs 115) difference plus warranty is more expensive too. My gut tells me it is comparable to the II.
 
the CFD comes with a nicer 4K screen. I was in the same boat comparing 75k vs 115k. It was painful at the time to choose the more expensive option but I'm glad that I did. I rationalize it as the C-arm is unequivocally the most important piece of equipment that you will buy. Having a very good quality, reliable C-Arm is worth it.
 
IAmTheOne1 said:
the CFD comes with a nicer 4K screen. I was in the same boat comparing 75k vs 115k. It was painful at the time to choose the more expensive option but I'm glad that I did. I rationalize it as the C-arm is unequivocally the most important piece of equipment that you will buy. Having a very good quality, reliable C-Arm is worth it.
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i’ll try to go for the cfd. The ziehm equivalent is solo FD that is 100k with 3 year warranty with biggest difference being igzo versus cmos detector and only obliques 44 versus 55 degrees
 
What vendors are you using for your c-arms?
 
For GE I submitted a request on the website and a rep reached out to me. For the other brands I met the reps through other product reps or at a conference.

if you are trying to buy a refurbished device best to find out who the local dealers are by asking/searching around.

In my experience most refurbished reps just hyped up whatever they had in their inventory to sale (I know this can be said about all product reps… but most official reps sale different lines of products from same brand and then you can compare them to each other )
 
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