Goucher, Bryn Mawr, Georgetown, Bennington

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Out of the aforementioned programs, which would be most recommended and why? And for Georgetown, do they do any MCAT prep? Do you feel prepared for med school after finishing the post-bac program there? or is the brand of Georgetown more of the appeal to attend??
Is it better to go to a school thats recognized by many or a school, like Goucher for example, that isnt as recognized but is known to well-prepare its students for med school?
I've also applied to Bennington- anyone have any info on this program? Its success rate? comparison to other programs?
Just curious if anyone had opinions or thoughts on these programs!

Thanks guys!
 
Full disclosure: I'm in the Goucher program, so this might be a slightly biased point of view, but I think that most people would objectively rank Goucher and Bryn Mawr at the top of that list. The other programs are good, but the two programs on the east coast that are most sucessful at placing people into med school and that offer the most support for their students are Goucher and Bryn Mawr. Which of these two you prefer is simply a personal decision--each has its own unique vibe, but they are generally regarded as being equally good.

As a college Goucher might not be as well known as Bryn Mawr, but that's NOT true for the post-bac program. Medical schools across the country know of the Goucher program, and the record here speaks for itself: 100% placement for every single class for eight years running. I can also attest to the fact that a very high percentage of the students here end up with offers from the most highly competitive schools in the country (Hopkins, Harvard, Columbia, etc.)

Your best bet is to visit each of the schools when you interview and get a feel for where you'd fit in best and be happiest. Maybe Bennington or G-town is better for you. That said, I've been extremely happy at Goucher and don't regret my decision to come here at all. Feel free to ask any other questions you have about the program, although I might be a bit slow in responding, as I have an organic chem exam coming up in a few days, and have been spending waaaay too much time on SDN as of late.
 
thanks so much for the insight! With Goucher, what resources have been offered to you outside the classroom? For example, tutorials, clinical hands-on experience, advising? study groups? I guess what makes it so successful, aside from the students it attracts?!
 
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Emorygranger said:
thanks so much for the insight! With Goucher, what resources have been offered to you outside the classroom? For example, tutorials, clinical hands-on experience, advising? study groups? I guess what makes it so successful, aside from the students it attracts?!

Advising: we have two full-time advisors, strictly for the post-bacs. Considering there are only 25-30 people per class, you can imagine that it's very easy to get face time with them, and they know each of us personally. They walk you through the application process, help w/ writing the essay, prep you for your interviews, etc. They both really know the admissions process inside and out, and can help you tailor your app to the med schools you are interested in.

Tutoring: each class has a full-time TA who is a student from the previous year's class. This person's sole job is to help you with any coursework you are struggling with, as well as to give you advice and support from someone who's "been there before".

Clinical experience: there are no classes on Tuesdays. During the fall semester, you use this time to do volunteer or clinical work, which the advisors help you find. I had a really cool experience shadowing an oncologist, and got a great letter of rec out of it.

MCAT prep: included with the program.

Teaching: this is a small liberal arts college, and most of the profs are very, very, good. They are also very approachable and know you by name. This means that a) it's easy to go see them for help if you are having trouble with something, and b) they are able to write you a good letter of rec at the end of the year.

But in my opinion, the best part of the program is that the post-bac courses are 100% separate from the undergrad ones. This means that the professors know exactly why you're there, and they try to make sure to emphasize topics relevant to medicine and the mcat. They also don't grade on a curve, and truly want everyone to get an A. That's not to say that A's are just given out freely; you really need to be prepared to work hard if you come here. But there's absolutely no desire to weed anybody out. They want every single person who starts the program to do well and go on to get into (and suceed in) med school. This creates a totally different environment from the type one normally sees in pre-med courses. For one, it takes a little bit of the pressure off, because even though the courses are still hard, you know that nobody is going to create arbitrary barriers to your success. Secondly, it means that there is no reason to feel competitive with your classmates, and indeed, people in my class as a rule are very friendly with each other. Our class socializes together a lot, study groups are common, and nobody feels hesitation in asking a classmate for help with a subject.

All of this adds up to an important point I'd like to finish on: a lot of school's advertise the sucess rate of their program in placing graduates to med school. What many of them don't advertise is how many of the people who start their program fail to finish. At Goucher (and I've also heard this about Bryn Mawr), the attrition rate is very low; almost everybody who starts the program finishes it. So when they advertise 100% success in getting people into school, that's actually a pretty accurate depiction. At many programs where people are thrown into huge classes with undergrads and are graded on the curve, it's not uncommon for half the post-bac class to wash out. That doesn't mean you can't find success or hapiness in those programs, but it is something to think about when you are planning to invest this much time and money in your education.

Good luck to you.
 
Bennington does NOT prepare you for the MCAT at all. In fact, many people who finish from there have problems with low scores. In addition, it is the most backassward program I have ever experienced and I consider it a mistake that I went there for as long as I did. Please drop me an email if you want to know more..... Good luck... and if you can get into Bryn Mawr, go there!

Emorygranger said:
Out of the aforementioned programs, which would be most recommended and why? And for Georgetown, do they do any MCAT prep? Do you feel prepared for med school after finishing the post-bac program there? or is the brand of Georgetown more of the appeal to attend??
Is it better to go to a school thats recognized by many or a school, like Goucher for example, that isnt as recognized but is known to well-prepare its students for med school?
I've also applied to Bennington- anyone have any info on this program? Its success rate? comparison to other programs?
Just curious if anyone had opinions or thoughts on these programs!

Thanks guys!
 
wow- i had no idea! What made it such a mistake? was it unstructured? is there no tutorial option for the MCAT? where did you end up in medical school, if you don't mind my asking?!
thanks for the insight!
also, what is the experience from anyone OR opinion of the Georgetown post-bac and NOT the SMP.?!
 
Emorygranger said:
wow- i had no idea! What made it such a mistake? was it unstructured? is there no tutorial option for the MCAT? where did you end up in medical school, if you don't mind my asking?!
thanks for the insight!
also, what is the experience from anyone OR opinion of the Georgetown post-bac and NOT the SMP.?!

Another "biggest little secret" of the private small postbacc programs like Bryn Mawr and Goucher is their pitiful statistics regarding UC acceptances.

Bryn Mawr and Goucher have high statistics because their programs are geared to keeping stats high and getting you IN to medical school, not necessarily a top one, or a UC for that matter, which focuses heavily on minority recruitment. BM and Goucher are certainly not known for diversity...

I was very surprised to find Bryn Mawr's matriculation rate at ANY of the UC campuses over the past five years to be so low. I'm now considering applying to USC with their connections, since California residents have a slightly higher chance at getting into the UC system...

If the East Coast sounds like an okay place to be for med school (not that any of us can really choose, however), they look top-notch.
 
runner0382 said:
Another "biggest little secret" of the private small postbacc programs like Bryn Mawr and Goucher is their pitiful statistics regarding UC acceptances.

Is it really fair to criticize a program outside of CA for its low acceptance rate to UC schools when they only admit 15-20% of their classes from out of state (based on UCSF's admission rates)?

Do you know of any Post-Bacc programs with statistically high rates of acceptance to top schools in CA? Let me know if you do, my dream school is definitely UCSF!
 
Pemulis, can you opine on whether matriculating at Goucher (or at another program) in the fall as opposed to the summer would make it more difficult to obtain admission to medical school through a linkage program? I wonder whether knowing the faculty and the advisors less well than students who have been at Goucher longer limits what a fall enrollee can expect to receive from the school with respect to letters of recommendation and other assistance. Thanks.
 
JD/MD said:
Pemulis, can you opine on whether matriculating at Goucher (or at another program) in the fall as opposed to the summer would make it more difficult to obtain admission to medical school through a linkage program?

JD/MD,

I'm sure that Pemulis can speak towards Goucher specifically, but when I was at Bryn Mawr's interview/info session a few weeks ago I asked this specific question...

The fact that the MCAT is changing next year (from a couple times a year to every few weeks & computer based) may cloud the issue a bit, but the answer was that typically a student who enters the Fall class is not able to do a Linkage program. This was mainly because most of the Med Schools still require a minimum score on the MCAT to be taken in the Spring, and as a Fall applicant, you would not have taken all the classes yet to successfully take it.
 
raf7m said:
JD/MD,

I'm sure that Pemulis can speak towards Goucher specifically, but when I was at Bryn Mawr's interview/info session a few weeks ago I asked this specific question...

The fact that the MCAT is changing next year (from a couple times a year to every few weeks & computer based) may cloud the issue a bit, but the answer was that typically a student who enters the Fall class is not able to do a Linkage program. This was mainly because most of the Med Schools still require a minimum score on the MCAT to be taken in the Spring, and as a Fall applicant, you would not have taken all the classes yet to successfully take it.

Thanks for writing. I forgot to mention that I'll be taking gen chem I & II this summer at another school, so I can start with organic I in the fall, along with the other courses, and be well into organic II, etc., in the spring by the time the MCAT rolls around, whenever it ultimately does. My concern was that my relative newness to a post-bacc program might make it more difficult to take advantage of the program's linkage agreements, being that other students will be more familiar to the program's faculty/advisors. I am assuming that it is important (or at least very beneficial) to have established a track record at the program when applying to med school through one of the program's linkage agreements.
 
Nape,

What school do you go to? Can you share some thoughts on your program & the whole Med School application process (how you've found your programs resouces)?

Much Appreciated!

NapeSpikes said:
:laugh: If you only knew what schools my classmates have been getting into this cycle...

In fact, for the sake of full disclosure, I think I am one of the few not (yet?) accepted to a U.S. News Top 20. 😱
 
JD/MD said:
Pemulis, can you opine on whether matriculating at Goucher (or at another program) in the fall as opposed to the summer would make it more difficult to obtain admission to medical school through a linkage program? I wonder whether knowing the faculty and the advisors less well than students who have been at Goucher longer limits what a fall enrollee can expect to receive from the school with respect to letters of recommendation and other assistance. Thanks.

I can't speak to other programs, but the people who matriculate at Goucher in the fall are those who have already taken Gen Chem and so don't need to take the summer session. I know for a fact that there is no problem in linking for such people, as somebody in my class who missed summer chem (b/c she'd already taken it in college) is linking right now. And trust me: this is a really small program, and the profs know everybody within a week or two of classes starting, so it won't be any problem to get a great letter of rec for your app.

As to runner0382's comment above about Goucher not getting people into top schools or schools outside of the east coast, this is just completely false. As I noted previously in this thread, a very high proportion of each year's class seems to end up at places like Hopkins, Chicago, Stanford, Yale, Penn, Harvard, etc. And yes, Goucher has placed many people at UC schools, including UCSF. In the end, no program can guarantee you that you'll get into the school of your dreams, but based on past history, students who come out of Goucher will almost certainly be admitted somewhere, and will more than likely get at least one or two offers from top tier schools.