Graduating without Work Experience/Hours

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Ackj said:
You're taking first semester classes in the summer, after you've taken the II classes in the spring? Sounds like you'll be at a pretty big disadvantage by doing that, most material builds off of previous material.
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and schools don't let you take pharmaceutics II before completeing pharmaceutics I etc...
 
TXPharmDStudent said:
Pre-pharm = Fall 08-Fall 09
Pharm = Spring 10-Spring 13



I'm taking 6 hours of pharmacy curriculum so I'm an accepted pharmacy student who is taking pharmacy classes.
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So its currently Spring 10? Man I overslept!
 
Ackj said:
You're taking first semester classes in the summer, after you've taken the II classes in the spring? Sounds like you'll be at a pretty big disadvantage by doing that, most material builds off of previous material.
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No no no, learn things.

StaviZFingerZ said:
and schools don't let you take pharmaceutics II before completeing pharmaceutics I etc...
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What the hell is going on? I'm taking first semester classes in the Spring and will take certain second semester classes in the summer.


Again, how is this so hard to understand?
 
TXPharmDStudent said:
Yeah what a great way to hide your lack of math skills lol

Still doesn't change the fact that I'm going to finish a 6 year program in 5 years.
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rofl. you took like 18 credits instead of 15 during undergrad ? You must be really hardcore
 
TXPharmDStudent said:
No no no, learn things.



What the hell is going on? I'm taking first semester classes in the Spring and will take certain second semester classes in the summer.


Again, how is this so hard to understand?
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well, here's the deal. Typically in pharmacy schools, Pharmaceutics I will be only taught in fall and II in spring etc... unlike undergrad. That's why I'm curious which mickey mouse pharmacy school allows this.
 
StaviZFingerZ said:
Is that right?

You said previously



so.. you're taking 10 hours of pre req + 6 hours pharm now.. so what Pharm classes are you taking?
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biochem and immunology

type b pharmD said:
rofl. you took like 18 credits instead of 15 during undergrad ? You must be really hardcore
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Nah, I have college credit from high school and I took summer classes.
 
StaviZFingerZ said:
well, here's the deal. Typically in pharmacy schools, Pharmaceutics I will be only taught in fall and II in spring etc... unlike undergrad. That's why I'm curious which mickey mouse pharmacy school allows this.
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I'm taking pharmaceutics I in the spring and pharmaceutics II in the fall.
 
TXPharmDStudent said:
What the hell is going on? I'm taking first semester classes in the Spring
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Bull. No way will a school teach their I courses all over again in the spring so one guy can take them, spring semester will be all the II courses.
 
Ackj said:
Bull. No way will a school teach their I courses all over again in the spring so one guy can take them, spring semester will be all the II courses.
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Not when you attend a school that admits in the spring and the fall, how else do you think I got accepted in the spring? Where do you go off thinking I'm doing second semester work when I begin?

Is this the **** pharmacists have to put up with? Good lord, the incompetence here is killing me.
 
TXPharmDStudent said:
Not when you attend a school that admits in the spring and the fall, how else do you think I got accepted in the spring? Where do you go off thinking I'm doing second semester work when I begin?

Is this the **** pharmacists have to put up with? Good lord, the incompetence here is killing me.
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well, if you'll tell us which school accepted you, then we'll know if they offer pharmaceutics I in spring semester won't we...
 
StaviZFingerZ said:
well, if you'll tell us which school accepted you, then we'll know if they offer pharmaceutics I in spring semester won't we...
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Is that really any of your business?

Google it or search the forum. There are MANY schools out there that admit in the spring. Explain to me why a school that admits in the spring wouldn't have pharmaceutics I in the spring.

Plus I prefer being anonymous on this forum. Too many of you guys give out way too much info about yourself, it's a surprise some of you haven't been stalked.
 
TXPharmDStudent said:
Is that really any of your business?

Google it or search the forum. There are MANY schools out there that admit in the spring. Explain to me why a school that admits in the spring wouldn't have pharmaceutics I in the spring.

Plus I prefer being anonymous on this forum. Too many of you guys give out way too much info about yourself, it's a surprise some of you haven't been stalked.
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Stalked?? :laugh:
 
I'm the only one that does the stalking!!
 
TXPharmDStudent said:
Is that really any of your business?

Google it or search the forum. There are MANY schools out there that admit in the spring. Explain to me why a school that admits in the spring wouldn't have pharmaceutics I in the spring.

Plus I prefer being anonymous on this forum. Too many of you guys give out way too much info about yourself, it's a surprise some of you haven't been stalked.
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If there are many, tell us one...that's not your school. I mean...I can see some schools starting pharmaceutics I in spring semester...yet only if student completes 18 units other pharmacy courses in the fall.
 
StaviZFingerZ said:
If there are many, tell us one...that's not your school. I mean...I can see some schools starting pharmaceutics I in spring semester...yet only if student completes 18 units other pharmacy courses in the fall.
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I just gave you a link to one in oklahoma.


No, that makes absolutely no sense. Pharmaceutics I is for pharmacy students only.
 
StaviZFingerZ said:
If there are many, tell us one...that's not your school. I mean...I can see some schools starting pharmaceutics I in spring semester...yet only if student completes 18 units other pharmacy courses in the fall.
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Thats our school, first semester of P1 is Principles of Pharmaceutical Sciences, second semester is Pharmaceutics. It COULD be named Pharmaceutics I and II, with II in the spring, but it not named that way and we have Pharmaceutics (numberless) in the spring.
 
TXPharmDStudent said:
I just gave you a link to one in oklahoma.


No, that makes absolutely no sense. Pharmaceutics I is for pharmacy students only.
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StaviZFingerZ said:
What makes no sense?
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He's saying that starting Pharmaceutics I in the spring instead of the fall doesn't make sense, or he might think that the possibility of doing Pharmaceutics I in the spring before starting pharmacy school does not make sense.
 
crazybob said:
He's saying that starting Pharmaceutics I in the spring instead of the fall doesn't make sense, or he might think that the possibility of doing Pharmaceutics I in the spring before starting pharmacy school does not make sense.
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I know..he's confused. I know a school in Texas that acutally has Pharmaceutics I in Spring semester but their PharmD program starts in the Fall. There's a bunch of other pharmacy classes in the fall like calculations etc before students start Pharmaceutics in spring.

Poor kid..he so badly wants to labeled a pharmacy student...while he has yet to take a pharmacy class..
 
TXPharmDStudent said:
biochem and immunology
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Well, then here's the deal. Biochem and Immuno are hardly true Pharm classes yet they are P1 classes. Then technically, you're in RX school in Fall of 09...and graduating in spring of 2013. That makes it 4 years not 3.5 years.

If you're going to claim that you're graduating in 3.5 years because you're starting RX school in spring of 2010, then technically, you can't claim you're in Pharmacy school.

:meanie:
 
TXPharmDStudent said:
Not when you attend a school that admits in the spring and the fall, how else do you think I got accepted in the spring? Where do you go off thinking I'm doing second semester work when I begin?

Is this the **** pharmacists have to put up with? Good lord, the incompetence here is killing me.
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OMG, why are you bragging about finishing school in 3.5 years?? so what? There are sooooo many easy to get into 3 year programs its a joke. In fact ALL 3 year programs are easy as hell to get into! Its the 4 year highly ranked programs thats hard to get into! :laugh: I got accepted into a 3 year program, but choose to attend a traditional 4 year program b/c its ranked a lot higher. Graduating in 3.5 years really don't make you that special. :laugh: If you want to brag, find something thats actually worth bragging about. 🙄
StaviZFingerZ is already a pharmacist and has the coolest job on this forum/gets paid a sh*tload, so I really doubt he cares where you attend school or how long it takes you to graduate.
 
SHC1984 said:
OMG, why are you bragging about finishing school in 3.5 years?? so what? There are sooooo many easy to get into 3 year programs its a joke. In fact ALL 3 year programs are easy as hell to get into! Its the 4 year highly ranked programs thats hard to get into! :laugh: I got accepted into a 3 year program, but choose to attend a traditional 4 year program b/c its ranked a lot higher. Graduating in 3.5 years really don't make you that special. :laugh: If you want to brag, find something thats actually worth bragging about. 🙄
StaviZFingerZ is already a pharmacist and has the coolest job on this forum/gets paid a sh*tload, so I really doubt he cares where you attend school or how long it takes you to graduate.
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hey hey... I actually think finishing a 3 year PharmD program in 2.5 years would be impressive. Actually, I know a pharmacist who started pharmacy school at 16 and received PharmD at 20. That, is impressive.👍
 
StaviZFingerZ said:
hey hey... I actually think finishing a 3 year PharmD program in 2.5 years would be impressive. Actually, I know a pharmacist who started pharmacy school at 16 and received PharmD at 20. That, is impressive.👍
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Damn a PharmD at 20? I know people with BS in pharmacy at 20, but not PharmD. This was back then when pharmacists could practice with a BS. However, I think you can't techincially practice pharmacy until you are 21.
 
StaviZFingerZ said:
hey hey... I actually think finishing a 3 year PharmD program in 2.5 years would be impressive. Actually, I know a pharmacist who started pharmacy school at 16 and received PharmD at 20. That, is impressive.👍
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Most places are lock-step now anyway...the courses are sequenced in such a way that you aren't even allowed to load up on courses. I've loaded up on electives, but I still need to hang around as I go through I --> II --> III in things like pharmaceutics/pharmacotherapy/etc...

i want to say that was one of the ACPE curricular things that went down in the early 2000's but i'm not sure.
 
confettiflyer said:
Most places are lock-step now anyway...the courses are sequenced in such a way that you aren't even allowed to load up on courses. I've loaded up on electives, but I still need to hang around as I go through I --> II --> III in things like pharmaceutics/pharmacotherapy/etc...

i want to say that was one of the ACPE curricular things that went down in the early 2000's but i'm not sure.
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Well, SouthWestern in OK is one school I know who has both spring and fall admits. One of my good buddies was a prof there and still is a preceptor. Yet I'm not sure they allow students to complete first 6 semesters of PharmD Professional curriculum in 5.. who knows.
 
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I got curious and pulled in their curriculum...I really can't figure out how to move that last semester in P-3 that has prin. of pharmacotherapy and care lab V. i'm going to assume you need to take care lab I, II, III, and IV before going to V....only way to do it earlier is to start that sequence fall P-1 not spring P-1. All the other P-3 spring classes can be slotted in elsewhere.
 
Well, I'd assume he's not going to this school since he said he's taking 6 units of Pharm this semester: Biochem and Immuno. But that's 7 units here.

You can stack those labs if it's offered during summer.

confettiflyer said:
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I got curious and pulled in their curriculum...I really can't figure out how to move that last semester in P-3 that has prin. of pharmacotherapy and care lab V. i'm going to assume you need to take care lab I, II, III, and IV before going to V....only way to do it earlier is to start that sequence fall P-1 not spring P-1. All the other P-3 spring classes can be slotted in elsewhere.
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StaviZFingerZ said:
Well, I'd assume he's not going to this school since he said he's taking 6 units of Pharm this semester: Biochem and Immuno. But that's 7 units here.

You can stack those labs if it's offered during summer.
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yeah forgot about summer...but that's cheating, it'll still take you 8 semesters to wrap things up regardless, you're just shifting stuff to summer and saying you "graduated in 3.5 years." ...technically correct, but still misleading.

I'm talking about true, not hiding stuff in the summer, knock it out in 7 semesters Rx school. I'll be impressed then.

gawd...biochem/immuno, i took that P-1, i don't even count that as pharmacy school.
 
SHC1984 said:
OMG, why are you bragging about finishing school in 3.5 years?? so what? There are sooooo many easy to get into 3 year programs its a joke. In fact ALL 3 year programs are easy as hell to get into! Its the 4 year highly ranked programs thats hard to get into! :laugh: I got accepted into a 3 year program, but choose to attend a traditional 4 year program b/c its ranked a lot higher. Graduating in 3.5 years really don't make you that special. :laugh: If you want to brag, find something thats actually worth bragging about. 🙄
StaviZFingerZ is already a pharmacist and has the coolest job on this forum/gets paid a sh*tload, so I really doubt he cares where you attend school or how long it takes you to graduate.
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:laugh:
 
Actually, I believe, SWOSO is the only pharmacy school which allows students to start in the spring.
 
regardless, we know the kid is a douchebag. Do we really need to go beyond that?
 
Silvermist said:
I have a question - in general, how much intern/work time is considered "sufficient?" I am a married, older student with two very young children, and I will be starting at UMD in the fall. I am not sure how rigorous pharmacy school will be for me (although eek^3 @ pchem) -- and while I am super happy about having this opportunity to go, I definitely don't want to be away from my little kids more than necessary. Is it sufficient to volunteer or intern for a few hours a week and/or to work summers? Or is it really necessary to work, say 10 hours a week as an intern at CVS? I am afraid that would be way too aggressive given my life circumstances.

Thanks in advance!
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1) It is RIGOROUS
2) You will be away from your little ones more than necessary so start getting your spouse/partner involved with the chores now so transition is smooth
3) It is necessary to work even if it is 10m hours/week as an intern
4) It would be aggressive given your life circumstance but if you want it that bad, you should work for it. GOOD TIME MANAGEMENT

Good Luck!
 
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Okay so if you guys can help me out with this one, it will be much appreciated. Keep in mind all of my work experience is pharmaceutical related, though I have never worked in a pharmacy...i.e. I was a chemist for a pharmaceutical company and recently in a sales capacity.

I am a non-traditional student and I am married with a 2-year old son at home. I am accepted into an accelerated pharmacy school program and start July 2010. I asked the ADCOM about working while in school and told them being a father and husband that I'd like to be go to school full-time and not work while in school. They said that is fine, as they prefer their students to be full-time dedicated students and they cap their students at working 10 hours per week while in school.

When I shadowed pharmacists in the hospital setting this summer I asked them if working as a pharm tech would hinder me and all responded working as a pharmacy tech prepares you to be a pharmacy tech, it does not teach you to be a pharmacist so don't worry about not having pharmacy tech experience.

My program has enough hours built into it to meet the pharmacist licensing requirements in KY. So based on my situation, should I work? When I start practicing (I plan to do a residency but I guess that can change) I don't want to be known as the PharmD that has no clue what the hell he is doing.

I am guessing working as an intern would be best, but should I consider filling in for PT hours?

I found the responses in this thread to be very interesting to say the least. Thank you in advance for your answers.

Wes011
 
You must be going to one of the newer programs. And of course those ***** idiot scumbag ADCOM wouldn't want you to work and flunk out..my god then they lose out on your tuition money.

Let me say this.

I'll hire a pharmacist who was a straight C student who worked his/her ass off at a hospital while going to pharmacy school vs. a straight A student who never worked.

90% what you need to know to be a good health system pharmacist will come from working not from schooling.

hth.


wes011 said:
Okay so if you guys can help me out with this one, it will be much appreciated. Keep in mind all of my work experience is pharmaceutical related, though I have never worked in a pharmacy...i.e. I was a chemist for a pharmaceutical company and recently in a sales capacity.

I am a non-traditional student and I am married with a 2-year old son at home. I am accepted into an accelerated pharmacy school program and start July 2010. I asked the ADCOM about working while in school and told them being a father and husband that I'd like to be go to school full-time and not work while in school. They said that is fine, as they prefer their students to be full-time dedicated students and they cap their students at working 10 hours per week while in school.

When I shadowed pharmacists in the hospital setting this summer I asked them if working as a pharm tech would hinder me and all responded working as a pharmacy tech prepares you to be a pharmacy tech, it does not teach you to be a pharmacist so don't worry about not having pharmacy tech experience.

My program has enough hours built into it to meet the pharmacist licensing requirements in KY. So based on my situation, should I work? When I start practicing (I plan to do a residency but I guess that can change) I don't want to be known as the PharmD that has no clue what the hell he is doing.

I am guessing working as an intern would be best, but should I consider filling in for PT hours?

I found the responses in this thread to be very interesting to say the least. Thank you in advance for your answers.

Wes011
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Thank you for the response. I appreciate it.

StaviZFingerZ said:
You must be going to one of the newer programs. And of course those ***** idiot scumbag ADCOM wouldn't want you to work and flunk out..my god then they lose out on your tuition money.

Let me say this.

I'll hire a pharmacist who was a straight C student who worked his/her ass off at a hospital while going to pharmacy school vs. a straight A student who never worked.

90% what you need to know to be a good health system pharmacist will come from working not from schooling.

hth.
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It all has to do with your motivation as an intern. You can play tech and just fill. Or you can find questions in what you're doing and answer them.

One day I realized that 95% of the ceftriaxone we did was q24h, but once in awhile it was q12h. So I already knew the meningitis dosing when we got to ID in therapeutics.
 
njac said:
It all has to do with your motivation as an intern. You can play tech and just fill. Or you can find questions in what you're doing and answer them.

One day I realized that 95% of the ceftriaxone we did was q24h, but once in awhile it was q12h. So I already knew the meningitis dosing when we got to ID in therapeutics.
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And 2 grams instead of 1.
 
StaviZFingerZ said:
You must be going to one of the newer programs. And of course those ***** idiot scumbag ADCOM wouldn't want you to work and flunk out..my god then they lose out on your tuition money.

Let me say this.

I'll hire a pharmacist who was a straight C student who worked his/her ass off at a hospital while going to pharmacy school vs. a straight A student who never worked.

90% what you need to know to be a good health system pharmacist will come from working not from schooling.

hth.
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I am a straight A student with no work experience! :cry:
 
wes011 said:
Okay so if you guys can help me out with this one, it will be much appreciated. Keep in mind all of my work experience is pharmaceutical related, though I have never worked in a pharmacy...i.e. I was a chemist for a pharmaceutical company and recently in a sales capacity.

I am a non-traditional student and I am married with a 2-year old son at home. I am accepted into an accelerated pharmacy school program and start July 2010. I asked the ADCOM about working while in school and told them being a father and husband that I'd like to be go to school full-time and not work while in school. They said that is fine, as they prefer their students to be full-time dedicated students and they cap their students at working 10 hours per week while in school.

When I shadowed pharmacists in the hospital setting this summer I asked them if working as a pharm tech would hinder me and all responded working as a pharmacy tech prepares you to be a pharmacy tech, it does not teach you to be a pharmacist so don't worry about not having pharmacy tech experience.

My program has enough hours built into it to meet the pharmacist licensing requirements in KY. So based on my situation, should I work? When I start practicing (I plan to do a residency but I guess that can change) I don't want to be known as the PharmD that has no clue what the hell he is doing.

I am guessing working as an intern would be best, but should I consider filling in for PT hours?

I found the responses in this thread to be very interesting to say the least. Thank you in advance for your answers.

Wes011
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Pharmacy schools require that you do IPPE, so you can get your exposure from there.
I had a pharm tech job during the summers, but then I quit when school started to make my A(s).
I am planning on getting a new job in May and quitting again in August. :laugh: I recommend working during the summers, but not during the school year if you want a perfect GPA.
If you just want a 3.0-3.5 then you can work during school and it will be no problem!
 
awww man.. I was just starting to have fun..and he got banned.
 
I worked at CVS since right before i started 3rd year working 2-3 days a week. Let me tell you that the practical experience that I learned there was invaluable. At least in the NY area round the late 90s and early 2000s, interns worked alot and ended up being a very strong batch of Rph's when licensed.

All of a sudden in recent years all these kids don't start working till they graduate and buy did they make a mistake. They are like fish out of water. They cant read a rx, they dont know any of the typical doses (you should see what they transcribe when given an oral rx from a Dr.), don't know anything about 3rd party billing, know very little bout OTCs (which u pick up alot workin retail). These Rph's that didnt work while in school ended up running out crying, been the laughing stock of the entire district, and some r let go, some end up getting exiled to being overnight Rphs.

TO ALL STUDENTS: Listen do urself a favor and work in a pharm. When ur a kid ur "allowed" to not know everything. When ur a Rph no one wants to hear the excuses.

when ur an intern u'll learn. I always take my interns under my wing and train em. It's like watching them lose there training wheels. Very gratifying.
 
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