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Ok.....last Week Of Fellowship, In Last Month Bought Tempurpedic And Just Received My New Panerai Watch...........one Last Toy..(for Now).....

Just Got My Concealed Weapons License In Fl So No Wait Period And Need A Nice Piece, Really Enjoy Range Shooting........i Know There Are Some Big Cats Here On This Subject......

Wanted A Sig 226 9mm, But Heard They Are Not As Good As When They Were Made In Germany,but Still Ok.....thinking About Hk Usp 9mm Now. Any Advice?

Heard If You Get A Compact They Kick More And Glocks Need Modification......open To Suggestions.
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Welcome to the FL ccw crowd...

Both those are really nice guns. For a carry gun I just got a Kahr CW9 (single stacked mag) and it's great for carrying, thin, small, and not too hard for a some range time. But definitely not a precision handgun.

Played around with a Springfield Armory XD9 some and really liked how it felt in my hands.... was just a little too big for what I wanted in mainly a personal defense/carry gun.

I'd say just hit up your local range and shoot 'em both and see what fits/shoots better in your hands. I don't think I'd have a problem with either of those... I'd probably lean a little towards the Sig but only because I have some friends who are big Sig fans.
 
I recently purchased a CZ-75B (.40 cal) and love it. Not for carrying but fun at the range.
 
I know your a stud mil, and have great recs.......but im just a pup, gotta start with something.
 
I know your a stud mil, and have great recs.......but im just a pup, gotta start with something.

I'm partial to Glock 23 if you're into autos....otherwise a wheel gun like the Ruger gp100 4inch.

I actually carry different guns in different holsters (IWB versus shoulder rig) based on what I'm doing and where I'm going.

But most of the time, I have my little P22 Walther with me.
 
If I was in the market for a gun right now... (hell, what am I talking about... I'm always in the market for a new gun...)

Anyway, if I had money for a new gun right now, and I was looking for a CCW piece, I'd get the Glock 36. It's a slim little .45 ACP tack-driving hammer. Just haven't shot one yet to know if it puts the hurtin' on the hand.

http://www.remtek.com/arms/glock/model/45/36/index.htm

-copro
 
Ok.....last Week Of Fellowship, In Last Month Bought Tempurpedic And Just Received My New Panerai Watch...........one Last Toy..(for Now).....

Just Got My Concealed Weapons License In Fl So No Wait Period And Need A Nice Piece, Really Enjoy Range Shooting........i Know There Are Some Big Cats Here On This Subject......

Wanted A Sig 226 9mm, But Heard They Are Not As Good As When They Were Made In Germany,but Still Ok.....thinking About Hk Usp 9mm Now. Any Advice?

Heard If You Get A Compact They Kick More And Glocks Need Modification......open To Suggestions.
:d

Are you familiar with handguns? Have a preference for semiauto or a revolver? For CCW I like Glock 19 or SW 642. This is my first revolver(SW 642) and I love it. Very light(its a titanium alloy) I forget it is even in my pocket.

Ruger makes a good revolver like MMD sugested but they are somewhat heavier than the airweights SW makes. Also do not be afraid of the Sig regardless of where it is made they are some of the best shooters out of the box. I own 2.

This is a great website to check out: http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/index.php

All this gun talk makes me want to go out and get something new...lol
 

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thanks guys.....ill check these out. I am experienced, just never owned my own. Went shooting with my friend whos a gun freak, lent me his sig 9m.......loved it, went through ammo like crazy......unfortunately the new ones are not as finessed with assembly/feel compared to older ones and in last few years gun prices have gone crazy up............

But people say gun prices adjust with elections........so lets hope for the best in this bad situation in November.

Heard the walther 22 is awesome.

Any of you think night sights are completely necessary or worth the extra money?
 
Have you considered any of the all steel guns. Yes, they are heavier to carry, but there is less felt recoil and they are more fun to shoot at the range. Before buying anything, I shot about half of the pistols my local range had available. You really have to make an effort to try a variety, both in guns and calibers before you buy. I would never have looked at the 1911s until I started playing with them. I thought I wanted a compact USP, but oh the trigger...

I settled on a compact 1911 style in all steel. Not quite match accurate, but better than I can shoot. The recoil is less snappy than a .40. The grip frame is narrow for easy concealment.

The downside is that you give up 1 round over the full frame and 2 rounds over a similar single stack in 9. 45 ACP is also more expensive than 9 mm. It is weighty, but a 1 1/2 inch belt has made a huge difference. You can get frames in aluminum, but they don't take the recoil as well.

Before buying anything, I got a Ruger 22/45 for cheap range time. 22LR is a blast and lets you really practice without breaking the bank.
 
I was unimpressed with the Glock 19. Both the HK and Sig are nice guns but they don't feel right in my hand--too wide. I shoot a Taurus PT24/7 and get many compliments from others who shoot it. It's a great gun but shotty on clip construction (one of my clips jumps out ever other shot). If money weren't an issue, I'd go with the Sig. Then again, though I do have my CC license, I am talking about these guns as range toys and not considering CCW pros/cons into it.
 
1) Buy a Ruger 22/45. It should cost about $230 and is an awesome 22 plinker. I own 2.

2) Since you are set on Sigs, buy a P6/P225 9mm German police trade in from either aimsurplus.com or centerfiresystems.com. You will need your own FFL to execute the transfer. If you get one made after 1989, it will have a barrel already properly ramped and throated for hollowpoints (in case you truly want to ccw). The general dates on these are 1979 to 2001, but you are most likely to get an early 80's model and they are of course made in W. Germany. With some dealers, you can request a given date range. Anyway, these guns are about the best deal going right now, for $270 or so. I own 2.

BNE
 
If I was in the market for a gun right now... (hell, what am I talking about... I'm always in the market for a new gun...)

Anyway, if I had money for a new gun right now, and I was looking for a CCW piece, I'd get the Glock 36. It's a slim little .45 ACP tack-driving hammer. Just haven't shot one yet to know if it puts the hurtin' on the hand.

http://www.remtek.com/arms/glock/model/45/36/index.htm

-copro

Instead I would recommend the Glock 27, which is the super-sub-compact .40 cal S+W. Still as lethal as the Glock 36 (.45 cal) for close-in self defense, but doesn't have quite the kick as the model 36. I love my 27. This is also the secondary / backup weapon for a lot of police departments.

http://www.glock.com/english/glock27.htm

Loaded with Cor-bon Pow'R'Ball ammo: http://www.gunblast.com/PowRBall.htm
 
Hello My name is Charley.

I’m finally capitulating to posting. I have learnt a great deal from reading the past posts'.

I haven’t felt compelled to share anything, because it is apparent that a majority of you are well enlightened and shamefully bright. Most, if not all of you, are light years ahead of me.

I have decided to apply for med school next year. I took a different path after college and it has been the best decision that I could have made - it has been fun and frivolous - not a day goes by that I don’t thank the big guy that dominates the sky.

I am well versed and I have traveled extensively. (I have been flying Jets, typed in the G4, flying 91, General Aviation).

My parents allowed me the freedom to explore life - now I owe it to them to complete my studies.

So, here I am reading voraciously with hopes of joining the world of medicine.

Thanks for the forum, I appreciate it.

Charley



Oh and lemme tell you I kinda like them those Browning M2 .50 cal. - we flew a couple of guys to a fishing lodge in Alaska one year - you should have seen their "toys" - their vocation? . . . "cutters". 😱
 
Get a GLOCK. The FBI knows a bit about guns and glocks are issued to all feds.
 
I own a Glock 19, love it...but let me tell you that when I shoot my brother's Colt 1911, I get tighter groups at the range. The 1911 is a proven design.
My other gun is the Ruger 22/45, I can't remember if it has ever had a misfire-awesome plinking gun. I can shoot more accurately with a Browning Buckmark, but you need to shoot higher quality .22 ammo because the action does get sticky. Good luck!
 
IMO....some have mentioned the 1911 in various models. They are fantastic handguns, but I dont think they are right for someone with limited experience to try and ccw. The action takes some getting used to, especially for condition 1 carry.
 
Hello My name is Charley.

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Oh and lemme tell you I kinda like them those Browning M2 .50 cal. - we flew a couple of guys to a fishing lodge in Alaska one year - you should have seen their "toys" - their vocation? . . . "cutters". 😱

Hey, Charley! Welcome aboard. You picked a great thread for your first post.

Trin:

Thanks for the info about the G27. I actually don't own a Glock, but I've shot several different models. I actually want to test-fire the G36. I have a buddy who owns a G22 and another who owns a G33.

I found the G22 comparable to a .40 S&W Beretta I own, but I just like the Beretta better. I shot the G33 and it killed my hand. I like the idea of .357 SIG in a compact, but that damn gun is just too small for my big hands (my buddy who owns it is in law enforcement and has even bigger hands than I do!). I just like .45 ACP. Big, slow, and nasty. I have an HK USP and a 1911. Those are probably my favorite guns to shoot. And, both of them are stunningly accurate on the range.

To the OP:

I think 9mm is a fine option. There are plenty of 9mm handguns out there to choose from. The advantage is that you can get a tone of ammo for relatively cheap, and if you want a plinker that has some decent firepower, then that's the way to go. Personally, I don't own any 9mm handguns (but am thinking about getting one).

For simple plinking, I shoot my Walther P22. I think Mil said he has one too. This is a decent little handgun that looks pretty cool to boot. There are two major problems with it, though. First, the shells tend to fly out and backwards and smack you in the face. I know they are only .22LR, but hot brass is hot brass. One got caught in my shirt collar one time and burned the crap outta my neck. Secondly, if you take it apart (field strip) to clean it, you're going to say more "*&@&#(!" words trying to put that b!tch back together. It is poorly designed for a field strip. The recoil spring is nearly impossible to guide back into position. I disassembled it one time to fully clean it, and it took me about an hour to put it back together with a nice blood blister on my thumb to show for my efforts. All in all, I probably would've purchased something else if I'd know it was going to be such a pain to maintain and with the ejector seemingly aimed at my forehead when I shoot.

You can also go to a local gunshow and purchase a nice surplus rifle, like a Moisin-Nagant, for under $100. This shoots 7.62x54R ammo, and it is beefy. If you want something that makes a big bang on the range and is fun to shoot, consider that as well. Plus, there are all different ways you can customize it, and it makes a decent hunting rifle (if you're close... because those things aren't always exactly 1 MOA at 100 yards).

Good luck. Have fun. Shoot safely.

-copro
 
there is a p22 bible floating around the internet...shows you all the mods you can make to make it a better gun.

I removed the mag safety and the firing pin block and it shoots perfect now...

might want to take a look...there's a fix for the "casing in your face" problem.
 
Ok.....last Week Of Fellowship, In Last Month Bought Tempurpedic And Just Received My New Panerai Watch...........one Last Toy..(for Now).....

Just Got My Concealed Weapons License In Fl So No Wait Period And Need A Nice Piece, Really Enjoy Range Shooting........i Know There Are Some Big Cats Here On This Subject......

Wanted A Sig 226 9mm, But Heard They Are Not As Good As When They Were Made In Germany,but Still Ok.....thinking About Hk Usp 9mm Now. Any Advice?

Heard If You Get A Compact They Kick More And Glocks Need Modification......open To Suggestions.
:d

# 1 Question - Why do you want a gun?
A - for shooting fun? - get a 22 or generic 9mm and play
B - for shooting bad people? - Sig Sauer P229R in 40S&W
C - fun fun shooting bad people? - see a shrink

# 2 question - Kids in the house?
A - do not get a 9mm or 45 cal - overpenetration is a bigger problem (i.e. shoot at mr bad man, bullet goes through wall and through eye of little Billy)
B- no kids? 9mm fine, just remember "overpenetration"

Of the various 9mm's, Glocks are sweet, but raise up a lot unless you get one that is "ported" (not so much "kick" as "muzzle rise"). BUT they are great for carrying, A Glock 19 is the perfect size for a small frame. A ported Glock with a grip laser sight is near ideal. Nothing makes mr bad man think "maybe I shouldn't be here" like a little red dot on his chest.

but ... NOTHING beats a Sig. with a 226 or 228 in 9mm, you can put 3 rounds in the diameter of a quarter at 10m, or put them all in 1 hole with a laser sight. the object in your sight will no longer be a problem. period. They are slightly larger than the Glock so depending on your body frame, it may or may not be a concealment issue. But accuracy is ensured. ask a SEAL.

happy hunting...
 
Sigs are definitely accurate, but (at least when I've shot them) I've noticed way more kick than a comparable gun in a similar caliber. Also, they are pricey and generally heavy.

And, I don't know about overpenetration with a .45 ACP. Yes with 9mm. Yes, even more so, with .40 S&W. But, you can always by frangible ammo for indoors.

Lastly, if you are seriously only thinking about at home, indoor protection, nothing beats a 12 gauge shotgun. Racking a round in the chamber is often enough to cause a stain in the bad guy's underpants and leave you watching asses and elbows beat a hasty retreat. Just make sure you are wearing earplugs if you're gonna pull the bang button...

-copro
 
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Lastly, if you are seriously only thinking about at home, indoor protection, nothing beats a 12 gauge shotgun. Racking a round in the chamber is often enough to cause a stain in the bad guy's underpants and leave you watching asses and elbows beat a hasty retreat. ...
-copro

true dat, 100%

Everyone will look at you funny when u waltz into WM or Whole foods sporting a 12 ga like Mad Max though ...😀
 
true dat, 100%

Everyone will look at you funny when u waltz into WM or Whole foods sporting a 12 ga like Mad Max though ...😀

Not if you have a big enough coat.
 
And Acula. You don't worry about overpenetration if you don't miss. Just FYI.
 
And Acula. You don't worry about overpenetration if you don't miss. Just FYI.

actually that's why a lot of departments switched to 40 S&W (and 10mm before that, long ago) -- if you hit someone with a copper 9 it will go straight through the soft tissue, as long as you miss bone, that puppy is going through, AND sometime if you hit bone the **** just bounces in some random direction. ... they also found that with hollow points the 9mm round didn't have enough weight and would underpenetrate, not doing enough damage or having enough "stopping power." so some then switched to glaser safety slugs - anyone remember those? trauma surgeon's nightmare. ... I finally settled on black talons having seen one hit a spine and literally push a T11 1/2 inch OUT of the guys back.

SO, true, if you are aiming properly and get the golden taps (2 chest and 1 head of course), you don't have to worry about overpenetration. if the guy moves like Neo on the matrix and you get 1 RUQ, 1 LLQ and one carotid, the person(s) behind him is(are) going to the ED too. but none of that really matters, I guess, it's all good if you're the last one not extra ventilated.

geez, keeping them breathing is so much harder...
 
zerpppppp dipp dippp DOH, back to reality,

wow, flashback to 'Nam. WTF was he talking about. seriously now, where'd he go? which way, I know my mind is here somewhere ....

lets talk about bunnies. nice cute happy bunnies. easter is soon right?
 
I finally settled on black talons having seen one hit a spine and literally push a T11 1/2 inch OUT of the guys back.

Are you actually shooting 10+ year old bullets.

The Black Talon was really nothing all that special. While the media would have you believe it could penetrate a vest, then expand so much it could grab your lips and testicles and pull them through your chest, while simultaneously robbing your grandmother, the Black Talons really were just reliable expanders. The black part just saved on barrel wear.

They are loaded to standardized pressures and deliver the same energy as another other bullet. The bullet design, like other new JHPs, are much more reliable in when and how they expand. You would likely see the same result with a similar shot from Federal HST, Speer Gold Dots, or even Winchester Personal Defense (and others). There is no magic. The only advantage to the Black Talon is that the sharp edges were (theoretically) more likely to lacerate a vessel.

You've got to pick what is most reliable. If you've put 2 or 3 hundred Black Talons out your gun, color me impressed, as that would be quite an investment. Right now I'm loaded up with Winchester SXT...which is just the Black Talon without the black.
 
Don't know much about guns, but reliability under the most obnoxious conditions cannot be a bad thing :Glock 22 Its totally absurd the abuse this dude put that gun through
 
Are you actually shooting 10+ year old bullets.

The Black Talon was really nothing all that special. While the media would have you believe it could penetrate a vest, then expand so much it could grab your lips and testicles and pull them through your chest, while simultaneously robbing your grandmother, the Black Talons really were just reliable expanders. The black part just saved on barrel wear.

They are loaded to standardized pressures and deliver the same energy as another other bullet. The bullet design, like other new JHPs, are much more reliable in when and how they expand. You would likely see the same result with a similar shot from Federal HST, Speer Gold Dots, or even Winchester Personal Defense (and others). There is no magic. The only advantage to the Black Talon is that the sharp edges were (theoretically) more likely to lacerate a vessel.

You've got to pick what is most reliable. If you've put 2 or 3 hundred Black Talons out your gun, color me impressed, as that would be quite an investment. Right now I'm loaded up with Winchester SXT...which is just the Black Talon without the black.

Black Talons are still marketed. They are now known as Federal "Ranger T" ammunition.

My "bedside" ammo is Hornady TAP.

-copro
 
Black Talons are still marketed. They are now known as Federal "Ranger T" ammunition.

Winchester SXT is the Black Talon but without the moly coating. The Winchester Ranger T is the next generation redesign. The T's are a little harder to get in your local store.

My "bedside" ammo is Hornady TAP.

A fine choice. My local place doesn't sell 'em.
 
I have a Springfield Armory XD9 subcompact. Heading out to my CCW course in about 1/2 hour. Looking forward to it.

cf
 
I have a Springfield Armory XD9 subcompact. Heading out to my CCW course in about 1/2 hour. Looking forward to it.

cf

That's a damn fine firearm. I've shot the XD40 and XD45 (not the XD9), and they are really, really nice. They have a similar firing mechanism as the Glocks.

-copro
 
I've shot the XD40 and XD45 (not the XD9)...

Have you had a chance to handle the XDm? Talk about a nice firearm. 1 extra round over the Glock, with the 1911 grip angle and adjustable grip size. The trigger was a little mushy, but I'm a 1911 guy, so that isn't saying much.

If they make one in 9mm, I may try to pick one up. Now that would be polymer pistol that would interest me.
 
Have you had a chance to handle the XDm? Talk about a nice firearm. 1 extra round over the Glock, with the 1911 grip angle and adjustable grip size. The trigger was a little mushy, but I'm a 1911 guy, so that isn't saying much.

If they make one in 9mm, I may try to pick one up. Now that would be polymer pistol that would interest me.

I'm not a big 9mm guy (don't currently own any), but I do want to eventually pick one up for plinking. The ammo is so much cheaper than the other stuff I regularly shoot (except for .22LR, of course).

Thanks for the recommendation. I'll have to check it out! 😀

-copro
 
Does anyone have one of these? My local dealer have a couple, and I'm itching to make room in my gun safe for one of them.
 
Pretty nice, if you like the BullPup configuration. Cool that they've got the built-in suppresor. I've fired subsonic .223 through a suppressor, and it sounds like a pellet gun. Perfect for picking-off those pesky squirrels in the backyard without the neighbors calling the pigs. :laugh: Just don't miss. That 55gr round is still coming out of the barrel at about 1100 fps. 😱

Mil, if you're looking for a good, small .223 variant, I gotta recommend the KelTec PLR-16 .223 pistol. I've shot this thing a lot, and it's awesome in a compact frame - and very affordable.

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-cop
 
Does anyone have one of these? My local dealer have a couple, and I'm itching to make room in my gun safe for one of them.

Interesting that you posted this. I actually shot one of these a few months back. I had bought an AR and took it to the range with a friend and his sig556. In the pod next to us the guy had a microtech and a steyr AUG. Pretty cool little gun with a full length barrel. I had never fired a bullpup design but I have to say if it werent for the price id add one to my growing collection. Maybe next year when I get to PP. Anyway It was identical to the Steyr except for a few thousand less.

Incidentally microtech makes really cool knives as well.
 
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Pretty nice, if you like the BullPup configuration. Cool that they've got the built-in suppresor. I've fired subsonic .223 through a suppressor, and it sounds like a pellet gun. Perfect for picking-off those pesky squirrels in the backyard without the neighbors calling the pigs. :laugh: Just don't miss. That 55gr round is still coming out of the barrel at about 1100 fps. 😱

Mil, if you're looking for a good, small .223 variant, I gotta recommend the KelTec PLR-16 .223 pistol. I've shot this thing a lot, and it's awesome in a compact frame - and very affordable.

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-cop

Just FYI AVG 223/5.56 55gr Muzzle Velocity: 3259 FPS out of a 20" barrel (3132fps for a 16" barrel)
 
Just FYI AVG 223/5.56 55gr Muzzle Velocity: 3259 FPS out of a 20" barrel (3132fps for a 16" barrel)

Factory-loaded subsonic rounds we've tested through that specific gun with a Gemtech suppressor and a chronometer (my buddy has) on the range produced velocities from roughly 1040 FPS to 1070 FPS.

Trust me, it sounds like a pellet gun.

http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?IA=WO2003060418&wo=2003060418&DISPLAY=DESC

And, yes, the bolt was still able to cycle just fine with, IIRC, one stovepipe out of about 60 rounds. (Did it last summer, i.e. 2007.)

-copro
 
Factory-loaded subsonic rounds we've tested through that specific gun with a Gemtech suppressor and a chronometer (my buddy has) on the range produced velocities from roughly 1040 FPS to 1070 FPS.

Trust me, it sounds like a pellet gun.

http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?IA=WO2003060418&wo=2003060418&DISPLAY=DESC

And, yes, the bolt was still able to cycle just fine with, IIRC, one stovepipe out of about 60 rounds. (Did it last summer, i.e. 2007.)

-copro
Missed the subsonic part
 
Glock 27 with Winchester ranger sxt's. Not too much fun to shoot at the range unless you use a Glock 23 magazine with the sleeve. The 27 is very small and 9 + 1 capacity is nice. Oh yeah....it's a Glock, and they are probably one of the most dependable automatic handguns on the market.
 
anyone here have one?

Anyone converted their AR's to gas piston.

I'm thinking about either getting a gas piston rifle or converting one of my AR's to gas piston..

Any thoughts?
 
anyone here have one?

Anyone converted their AR's to gas piston.

I'm thinking about either getting a gas piston rifle or converting one of my AR's to gas piston..

Any thoughts?

I looked hard at the Sig 556. A friend has one and I love sigs anyway. It just wasnt as modular as an AR. The piston is nice but I dont know if the avg shooter will benefit. I think it would be cheaper to get a piston upper reciever since you already have ARs.

http://lwrifles.com/
http://www.pof-usa.com/upper/upperreceiver.htm
 
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