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Aprilthearab said:
Many wolves have been correctly IDed D1 because of their strange entrances, Vis included. Actually I was wolfing with her the one time she got sussed over a weird entrance. Again, the Sun manufacturing sus thing was a joke because she loves to say people are manufacturing sus and it was fun to say it back at her when she was throwing some weird sus on Dubz for an emoji.
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Good to know but Vis seems most logical so far so that makes me sus anyone who is sus of her.

Disclaimer: I still think it is best to allow people missteps initially if they are being overly active, otherwise, that just shuts everyone down from talking. I just make note to watch them closer. More talking means better chance of having people reveal themselves. I still feel like inactive people are more sus.
 
BobLoblaw78 said:
Good to know but Vis seems most logical so far so that makes me sus anyone who is sus of her.

Disclaimer: I still think it is best to allow people missteps initially if they are being overly active, otherwise, that just shuts everyone down from talking. I just make note to watch them closer. More talking means better chance of having people reveal themselves. I still feel like inactive people are more sus.
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It can go both ways. In the game I was referencing, I think three of the four wolves were high on the board at D1 yeet close because of their wolfy entrances. But I do have to agree to you to an extent because I've been high up on the D1 board or yeeted D1 as a villager because people thought it was wolfy
 
Genny is always abrupt (or whatever I said about her earlier) and somewhat disarming which can be off putting for some. I like it. And she mixes in some funny stuff as well. It sticks out to me and always seems susish. So this seems like her normal self. No?
 
Melchizedek said:
@Viscernable what are your thoughts on April?
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Early on I was suspicious (felt hedgey and like she was affecting guilelessness) but I think that feeling was paranoia/bad feelings from last game (she was woof). I started calming down when Pippy said she sounded village in the same post she correctly read me as village, looked back over her posts, and overall she’s giving me village vibes.
 
BobLoblaw78 said:
Genny is always abrupt (or whatever I said about her earlier) and somewhat disarming which can be off putting for some. I like it. And she mixes in some funny stuff as well. It sticks out to me and always seems susish. So this seems like her normal self. No?
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But why would you say you're going to sus anyone who susses Vis (which in itself is a bold statement because if you're village you don't know Vis's alignment for sure) and then village read the first person who sussed and voted Vis?
 
Melchizedek said:
my n=1 on wolf!sunny is from the last game I played, so I recognize the tendency for recall bias. Does anyone have more data? Is this AI or just baseline?
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I don’t find what I’ve from sunny yet very AI. She doubles down and cannot be swayed from arguments as any affiliation. Her reasoning is usually very independent and often out of line with thread consensus, sometimes for better and sometimes for worse. Sometimes I think she’s saying something dumb or wolfy and turns out to be genius, sometimes I think she’s saying something dumb or wolfy and she is.
 
Aprilthearab said:
Your list. I disagree with your assessment of Sun, Zenge, Cray, and Mayo. I don't necessarily have opposite reads for all of them but I disagree with your logic for each
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Mmmkay. So I’m a terrible villager or a terrible wolf! Lol

So you don’t think zenge was touchy???
My pippy logic didn’t make sense???
I understand you disagreeing on you. But my logic should be fairly easy to follow.
Sun is much more agreeable so far than previous wolf time.

Most of my other reads were pretty much nothing. I am not sure what I am missing that I should be getting
 
PippyPony said:
There's been so much meta discussion in this game so far.

@Melchizedek you going to drop a vote at any point today?
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If you ask nicely
Viscernable said:
Early on I was suspicious (felt hedgey and like she was affecting guilelessness) but I think that feeling was paranoia/bad feelings from last game (she was woof). I started calming down when Pippy said she sounded village in the same post she correctly read me as village, looked back over her posts, and overall she’s giving me village vibes.
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oh damn were you that out of the gate Uber perceptive noob from last game?
 
BobLoblaw78 said:
Bummer bc I have really liked your reads so far.

I mentioned it was a guess. But with zenge seeming sus, then Mel asking zenges takes seemed obvious. It didn’t seem like Mel was pushing others for reads like that. Or did you mean that I shouldn’t have given that away?
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Understandable, but just let people have to come with their own responses. It might seem very obvious to you and like you’re not giving them any excuse they couldn’t easily come up with themself, but sometimes from a wolf perspective, especially when under pressure, it can hard to think from a village mindset and come up with good fake reasoning
 
BobLoblaw78 said:
Bummer bc I have really liked your reads so far.

I mentioned it was a guess. But with zenge seeming sus, then Mel asking zenges takes seemed obvious. It didn’t seem like Mel was pushing others for reads like that. Or did you mean that I shouldn’t have given that away?
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Oh and the other thing I wanted to reply to this was that I still don’t understand what you’re saying about the thing with Pippy offering to be yeeted. Can you go over it like you’re explaining to someone kinda slow? (as I often am lol)
 
BobLoblaw78 said:
If I sus someone as wolf, I like to leave them as an ace in the hole. And watch how they behave to see if they unveil the other wolf.

Let’s play out you asking to be voted off:
1- We vote you D1. You were village and we wasted a vote
2- we vote a wolf or two off first couple of days and win game. You make it to end.
3- we don’t vote a wolf or two off and realize you may have actually been a wolf and vote you off D3 or D4
4- We vote you D1 and you were actually wolf. And you made a stupid move to ask to be voted off as a wolf.

I don’t think #4 is likely. I think #1 is a waste. I think #2 is unlikely. #3 seems most likely and I will play it out this way. I don’t see you making the end having made your statement. Too many villagers will get paranoid D4 to not remember this
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Ah I should have kept reading. So basically “too suspicious to be a wolf” reasoning?
 
Aprilthearab said:
But why would you say you're going to sus anyone who susses Vis (which in itself is a bold statement because if you're village you don't know Vis's alignment for sure) and then village read the first person who sussed and voted Vis?
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Well, I was throwing a third reason out there and was being dramatic. I take back that I sus anyone that sus her. It just doesn’t help their case. My main point is that I like Vis logic and thoughts so far.

I haven’t kept up with every person that has sussed vis bc I don’t really base my main reads on that.

Your entrance reason pinged me so I watched you closely which didn’t help. Maybe a bit of confirmation bias.
 
holdthemayo said:
This isn't an attempt at improvement, nor do I think my gameplay is in particular need of improvement. I win far more than I lose playing the way I play. I'm usually alive at the end to enjoy it too.

The tone change is because I thought we were trying to simulate MU to make you guys better prepared. As I understand it they take the game very seriously and are unlikely to have pigeon poetry. I was attempting to simulate that with my tone and votes.

I do enjoy the irony of you and April being the first to jump on me, since you've been two of the loudest critics of my normal playstyle.



It's RNG, but the plot armor would matter either way.



I think you answered the first part in the second part. I'm legitimately frustrated by having signed up for something that is not what I thought it was.
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Believe me, your play needed improvement. I usually vote you out of sheer frustration. I appreciate you trying to play straight or play more similar to MU style. My vote on you isn't because you're being more straight, not in the slightest.

But keep blaming it on that and working the guilt angle. The guilting is a #1 reason I can't justify pulling my vote now.
 
PippyPony said:
(There are a lot of uber perceptive noobs playing these days and they barely count as noobs anymore)
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Nah but like I remember there was someone that basically was saying stuff all but word for word from my notes and I think it was visc, because that April read was exactly what I was thinking.

I was also trying to establish if he was being consistent with his wolf hunting. Earlier he picked out on of your posts and said he thought it was hedgey (in less concise words) and I was seed if he’d comment on April’s posts which were hedgy for me (even queued up a hedge trimming gif in case I wanted to use it if I wanted to confront her about it lol)
 
BobLoblaw78 said:
Good to know but Vis seems most logical so far so that makes me sus anyone who is sus of her.
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I wouldnt advise that lol. D1 wolves aren’t as likely to push to initiate a misyeet as you seem to be implying. They’re more likely to hop on to whatever misyeet train a villager starts so that it doesn’t come straight back to them when they flip. Not saying wolves will never be the first person to throw sus on a villager, but someone being suspicious of someone that you village read isn’t in itself a reason to be suspicious of them
 
Current reads, not listed in order within groups, just listed in groups.

Village:
Mel- Never played with Mel before but nothing’s struck me as wolfy and seems to be wolf hunting, asking questions etc.
Pippy- Still not great at reading Pippy but I think I’m getting better. She seems engaged and wolf hunting. I’m agreeing with a lot of what she says so it makes me village lean her.
Sunny- Theres things that ping me about sunny but I’m learning that tends to just be differences in play style and how I read her. She’s closer to neutral side of village, but I’m willing to give her a village read for now.
April- She has done things that have pinged me and made me nervous, but I’m leaning more village with her latest posts. Especially having just wolfed with her.
Vis- I like her engagement this game. Seems to be actively wolf hunting.

Neutral:
Cray- She’s for sure at the top of the neutrals. Only reason I’m not willing to say she’s village is because the difference in her wolf play and village play is so subtle I honestly can’t see it. Certainly not on D1. So for now she’s staying in Neutral, but I can’t say there’s anything she’s done that’s pinged me.
Dubz- Also at the top of neutrals. I don’t think I’d read wolf!Dubz well enough to catch her wolfing D1, but so far nothing has pinged me.
MKG- Hasn’t posted enough to give me a good read one way or the other.
Sporty- Same with not posting enough to give me a good read one way or the other.
Alley- Same as Sporty and MKG. Just not enough to say.
Mayo- I’ve taken him out of my wolf reads for now. I disagreed with his general philosophy at the start of the game, but his latest response gave me pause and I’m thinking he’s likely frustrated villager.

Wolf:
Genny- I didn’t like the Vis vote, and the comment she made to me asking if I was going to kill her N1 again felt like the kind of WIFOM wolf!Genny loves to put out there. I also felt like she was working to pocket Mayo when he and I were arguing, and that sketched me out.

Bob- People have already said a lot here, and I’ve pointed some of it out too, so I won’t add much here about it, but there’s incongruity in his reads and his logic that seems wolfy.

Bread- I was really tempted to just throw bread in the neutrals along with MK, Sporty, and Alley, but it’s the way he voted for me that pinged me. It’s like he never even stopped to consider the possibility that Mayo and I were v/v. He did this thing a lot in WoWP where he would use his vote to back up the vote of a fellow wolf. I feel like that’s maybe what he’s doing here with following Bob’s vote. Generally I would have just said I think there’s a wolf somewhere between Bread, MK, Sporty, or Alley, but having just wolfed with him, the way he placed this vote pinged me.
 
holdthemayo said:
The whole theory is based on the assumption that I'm somehow the only one in the game who doesn't know my village meta is lulzy and wouldn't be clever enough to remember to be a lulzy wolf.
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In response to you and Viscernable, while I explained my feelings about your jokeyness, right below the comment she commented on I explained that while the change in meta might suggest I vote you, the reality is that I have a hard time yeeting serious play that makes good points I agree with. This is how I also gave wolfy Sunny and Finny a pass in England, they were playing seriously and making points I agreed with about overall gameplay.
 
Aprilthearab said:
He was very defensive D1 on his first wolf outing so I'm keeping that in mind as part of his meta. Here it's crossing me more as being flippant rather than overly defensive the way he said "but okay genny" and let the conversation drop whereas I distinctly remember when he was first wolfing, he drew out an aggressive defense for a long time even when people were trying to drop it
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Yes but I feel in his last wolf outting he got much better at when to let things go. The FTF game.
 
BobLoblaw78 said:
Mmmkay. So I’m a terrible villager or a terrible wolf! Lol

So you don’t think zenge was touchy???
My pippy logic didn’t make sense???
I understand you disagreeing on you. But my logic should be fairly easy to follow.
Sun is much more agreeable so far than previous wolf time.

Most of my other reads were pretty much nothing. I am not sure what I am missing that I should be getting
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I think Zenge might have been a little touchy but definitely not in the way I've seen when he's wolfing. This time was more sass, I don't think touchy is the right word for the way he was yesterday. The first time he wolfed, someone called him out for lurking and he really made a big deal of it and never let it go. I still don't think he's fully gotten over that, lol. If anything, I'm getting a bit more confident vibes from him and when he's wolfing I get hedgy vibes.

Pippy wasn't one of the people I listed when I said I disagreed with you. I will say though, the way you explained your logic was a bit weird, even though I agree with the general premise that Pippy wanting to die feels villagey. Same conclusion, different reasons.

I don't understand you reading Sun village. I have her in neutrals. I still feel like her Dubz yeet was pretty baseless. It would be one thing if you said she's fitting her village meta for whatever reason, but to say she's making more sense than when she wolfed... Eh. I don't get it.

If you'd like, I can go down those I listed and say why I disagree with your logic for their read. It's sus that you want to say your reads are nothing as if you're trying to wiggle out of a yeet by calling your own thoughts useless.
 
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