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Day 1 Yeet Tally
April () -
dubz (2) - Sporty, sunshine
Sporty () -
Bread (1) - mkg
Cray () -
Vis (1) - genny
Mel (1) - Vis
mayo () -
Zenge (3) - mayo, Bob, Bread
genny (3) - dubz, Zenge, Pippy
Bob (4) - alley, April, Mel, Cray

15/15
yeet close in ~4.5 hours

 

[WildZoo]

The way people are declaring ppl village this game is making my skin crawl

Pippy likes this post despite doing it herself, smh 😛

 

[WildZoo]

believe it or not I've been waiting for you to say this so I can move you into my village pile.

iT's a ReACtiOn TeSt

 

[WildZoo]

Half the time I can't make out what he really thinks, but sure. I can think of lots of other players that are communicative and have fun too, and good reads. Dubz, genny, April, come to mind right away. Mayo is quite far from best villager in my mind just because of his constant BS. He regularly almost gets yeeted just for posting nonsense, and the worst thing he does is not answer *direct* questions when he's a villager ffs. Playing one game well as a neutral 3P also hardly qualifies one for best villager either. But yanno, people can nom or vote whoever they want.

You flatter me but since when do I have good reads

 

[WildZoo]

Unyeet Sporty

One can only hope her ghost will get mod killed

Yeet genny

Why genny over uh...whoever else you might be wolf-reading? Bob, I think?

 

[PippyPony]

You flatter me but since when do I have good reads

Nothing like a little self-deprecation to instill confidence in the minds of people you were chosen to represent 😛

 

[WildZoo]

Where is @sunshinefl ?

 

[PippyPony]

Why genny over uh...whoever else you might be wolf-reading? Bob, I think?

Cause Bob already has 4 votes so that seems covered

 

[WildZoo]

Nothing like a little self-deprecation to instill confidence in the minds of people you were chosen to represent 😛

I just have to assume I was chosen for reasons other than my reads. Otherwise I'm not sure why the 3-time choke award winning status was ignored 😛

But that's neither here nor there. Perhaps my reads will be better in the absence of all the pockets I'm prone to falling into.

Or I'll rand wolf

 

[Crayola227]

Also I'm not meaning to tear down Mayo. And besides the AtE I would have unvoted him just to encourage his play. I think I get so frustrated with his play because I do think he's good, I just wish he'd do less of the stuff that makes me auto-read someone as wolfy.

Just like I would wish that a villager wouldn't ask for death. Certain actions as a villager are going to make other villagers feel they have to question your Aff, and it's not terribly productive.

OTOH if one is a wolf and doing whatever to confuse people, that is a valid strategy.

 

[WildZoo]

Cause Bob already has 4 votes so that seems covered

Yeah, saw the tally after I asked

Anybody wanna tie it up?

 

[BobLoblaw78]

I think his point is that if we think an experienced person is wolfing it's probably a better bet to yeet them over a noob who we think is wolfing

Makes sense. Take out the pack leader who provides guidance, and also give the noobs time to get on their feet in case they're just villagers who sound wolfy D1

Well thank you for that nugget. I’m scratching my head and wondering where I have went wrong.

what about if I George foreman guarantee that I’m village. Does that ping less or more?

I think Zenge might have been a little touchy but definitely not in the way I've seen when he's wolfing. This time was more sass, I don't think touchy is the right word for the way he was yesterday. The first time he wolfed, someone called him out for lurking and he really made a big deal of it and never let it go. I still don't think he's fully gotten over that, lol. If anything, I'm getting a bit more confident vibes from him and when he's wolfing I get hedgy vibes.

Pippy wasn't one of the people I listed when I said I disagreed with you. I will say though, the way you explained your logic was a bit weird, even though I agree with the general premise that Pippy wanting to die feels villagey. Same conclusion, different reasons.

I don't understand you reading Sun village. I have her in neutrals. I still feel like her Dubz yeet was pretty baseless. It would be one thing if you said she's fitting her village meta for whatever reason, but to say she's making more sense than when she wolfed... Eh. I don't get it.

If you'd like, I can go down those I listed and say why I disagree with your logic for their read. It's sus that you want to say your reads are nothing as if you're trying to wiggle out of a yeet by calling your own thoughts useless.

I didn’t say they were useless as much as no read. Wiggle out of a yeet? I am not sure if I have changed my yeet a single time that I have played? Much less did I say I’m changing it. My play has been consistent and my vote has fallen away from the majority (for better or worse). But I stick to my reads

 

[Aprilthearab]

Well thank you for that nugget. I’m scratching my head and wondering where I have went wrong.

what about if I George foreman guarantee that I’m village. Does that ping less or more?

I didn’t say they were useless as much as no read. Wiggle out of a yeet? I am not sure if I have changed my yeet a single time that I have played? Much less did I say I’m changing it. My play has been consistent and my vote has fallen away from the majority (for better or worse). But I stick to my reads

By wiggling out of a yeet I meant YOU trying to get people off of your yeet by saying "just disregard what I'm saying, nothing to see here " which definitely gives wolfy vibes

 

[PippyPony]

Just like I would wish that a villager wouldn't ask for death. Certain actions as a villager are going to make other villagers feel they have to question your Aff, and it's not terribly productive.

You liked my explanation post so I'm not sure why you're still so hung up on this tbh.

I have my affiliation questioned in every single game, so I'm not sure why this is overwhelmingly different. It's why I got hit with like 4 night actions on N1 last time. And you should be questioning my affiliation early on. It's the whole point of the game.

I also think you would be hard pressed to say I was net unproductive with my posts today. I'm probably the leading content poster in the game right now and have driven (or helped drive) 2/3 of the current main wagons.

 

[WildZoo]

You liked my explanation post so I'm not sure why you're still so hung up on this tbh.

I have my affiliation questioned in every single game, so I'm not sure why this is overwhelmingly different. It's why I got hit with like 4 night actions on N1 last time. And you should be questioning my affiliation early on. It's the whole point of the game.

I also think you would be hard pressed to say I was net unproductive with my posts today. I'm probably the leading content poster in the game right now and have driven (or helped drive) 2/3 of the current main wagons.

You're actually behind cray by 6 posts

AM is skirting the minimum, not sure what's up with that. Seems kinda sus...

 

[PippyPony]

You're actually behind cray by 6 posts

Wait really? That seems wrong lol

 

[WildZoo]

Wait really? That seems wrong lol

It's truuuuu

 

[Melchizedek]

its not a competition, for the love of all that is readable thread lengths, don't turn it into one.

 

[Viscernable]

Nothing like a little self-deprecation to instill confidence in the minds of people you were chosen to represent 😛

Let us all link hands and pray she rands wolf in champs.

Kidding, dubz will do great regardless of affiliation

... mostly kidding

 

[WildZoo]

Let us all link hands and pray she rands wolf in champs.

Kidding, dubz will do great regardless of affiliation

... mostly kidding

It's ok, my other assumption is that's what people were banking on

 

[BobLoblaw78]

I'm not a huge fan of the backtracking now that this reasoning isn't working out for you

If you say you're going to sus everyone who susses Vis, I would expect you to be aware of the people who have sussed Vis lol

I think you are overstating my words. I made a flippant remark which flows with the back and forth.

I appreciate some of the benefit of the doubt you have thrown me. But you are restating the one example to make it seem like a bigger quantity. And overstating as well.

My play may not be good but I don’t think the way I am playing would be the slightest bit beneficial as a wolf. Tell me how it makes sense if I am wolf?

I have been very transparent on who I do/don’t like and why.

 

[PippyPony]

It's truuuuu
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Oh my god you can see all the player post counts at once if you leave the username blank

 

[WildZoo]

Oh my god you can see all the player post counts at once if you leave the username blank

Yeah, you have to use threadloom and also have to filter by user once the search results pop up, but then it shows you the post counts!

 

[WildZoo]

its not a competition, for the love of all that is readable thread lengths, don't turn it into one.

But but...

 

[WildZoo]

@Melchizedek eyeing anyone else besides bob?

 

[BobLoblaw78]

Agreed.

#### unyeet Mayo ###

#### yeet Bob ####

Plus I don't feel like voting with Bob or Bread on anyone

So if I vote for myself, will you remove your vote?

 

[WildZoo]

@genny I know you said you're not budging on your vis vote (feels like a mistake to me, but you do you boo), but got anybody else on your mind? Still sussing zenge?

 

[WildZoo]

So if I vote for myself, will you remove your vote?

Ah but the LIS rule...

 

[Melchizedek]

@Melchizedek eyeing anyone else besides bob?

I have other questions that I'm waiting for people to come on thread and answer.

 

[BobLoblaw78]

Ah but the LIS rule...

LIS rule 7.2.3.a: The LIS rule should only apply to games in which LIS is playing

 

[Aprilthearab]

My play may not be good but I don’t think the way I am playing would be the slightest bit beneficial as a wolf. Tell me how it makes sense if I am wolf?

In regards to what you quoted, wolves are usually more worried about what they say/how it'll be interpreted and will backtrack on what they say once they realize it sounds wolfy.

 

[Zenge142]

LIS rule 7.2.3.a: The LIS rule should only apply to games in which LIS is playing

I think they amended that in article 3, section 6 of the Crayola® Treaty.

 

[Crayola227]

You liked my explanation post so I'm not sure why you're still so hung up on this tbh.

I have my affiliation questioned in every single game, so I'm not sure why this is overwhelmingly different. It's why I got hit with like 4 night actions on N1 last time. And you should be questioning my affiliation early on. It's the whole point of the game.

I also think you would be hard pressed to say I was net unproductive with my posts today. I'm probably the leading content poster in the game right now and have driven (or helped drive) 2/3 of the current main wagons.

You weren't the only player that asked for death. Besides, I was trying to use readily available examples of the kind of stuff that just will always make it harder to read someone as village, their meta aside. If this was an MU game and no one was known, certain actions would raise questions about Aff because they are independently concerning. I'm making a grander statement about general philosophy of game play, not trying to focus solely on one particular thing you did.

Other examples of play that will always invite questions besides asking to be NK, self-voting, asking for mod-smiting, posting content that appears to be game-flavor related but seems off-topic, is not limited to but also includes vote holding, creating ties close to deadline, naked vote placements, lurking, barely making post minimums, the list goes on.

 

[BobLoblaw78]

If I go down, I want it to be noted that it feels like April has either hyperfocused and made a mistake or exaggerated instead of using plain facts. Reads shouldnt

I also feel that it is weird that Pippy is taking credit for my train when it seems more April. But then again, if she is wolf she knows I won’t flip wolf. So I guess I stick with my original read. Actually sounds more 3P.

And iirc she did a similar thing about sticking around but wanting to be let go when she was goo. She is doing the same thing now. Let me stick around until Wednesday. Hmmm (I do get this goes against my read on her). Just want all this put down for after today

 

[Crayola227]

You liked my explanation post so I'm not sure why you're still so hung up on this tbh.

I have my affiliation questioned in every single game, so I'm not sure why this is overwhelmingly different. It's why I got hit with like 4 night actions on N1 last time. And you should be questioning my affiliation early on. It's the whole point of the game.

I also think you would be hard pressed to say I was net unproductive with my posts today. I'm probably the leading content poster in the game right now and have driven (or helped drive) 2/3 of the current main wagons.

Also your contributions are fine and likely why I don't feel compelled to vote you. Asking for death introduced some WIFOM that I personally just don't find helpful for determining your Aff is all. But it wasn't the point of that particular post as I explained.

I wish I could use emojis, I'd use the professor one when I was just talking about WW philosophy.

 

[PippyPony]

I also feel that it is weird that Pippy is taking credit for my train when it seems more April. But then again, if she is wolf she knows I won’t flip wolf. So I guess I stick with my original read. Actually sounds more 3P.

And iirc she did a similar thing about sticking around but wanting to be let go when she was goo. She is doing the same thing now. Let me stick around until Wednesday. Hmmm (I do get this goes against my read on her). Just want all this put down for after today

Ok but this is an open set up. It is literally impossible for me to goo all over people in this game.

 

[BobLoblaw78]

And I stick with Genny is too blunt to be playing wolf imo. That would rub ppl the wrong way. Which it has. (And if we are wolfing together I have hosed her- or me if she goes down wolf). My 2cents (since I’m doing a bang up job as it is)

 

[Crayola227]

LIS rule 7.2.3.a: The LIS rule should only apply to games in which LIS is playing

I also call LIS my WW Jesus, and that's not how the rules of Jesus work lol

 

[BobLoblaw78]

In regards to what you quoted, wolves are usually more worried about what they say/how it'll be interpreted and will backtrack on what they say once they realize it sounds wolfy.

Do I strike you as someone who is worried about what I am saying? Or am I throwing it out there without a worry and nothing to hide? You tell me

 

[BobLoblaw78]

Ok but this is an open set up. It is literally impossible for me to goo all over people in this game.

But you are still asking to hang around until Wednesday. Which will be close to the end of the game. Then I will bet doll hairs to pesos that you make a plead to yeet someone else come endgame.

 

[WildZoo]

And I stick with Genny is too blunt to be playing wolf imo. That would rub ppl the wrong way. Which it has. (And if we are wolfing together I have hosed her- or me if she goes down wolf). My 2cents (since I’m doing a bang up job as it is)

I thought you said genny is always blunt though? She doesn't suddenly become effervescent when she's wolfing.

 

[SportPonies]

so maybe I've been fighting a dummy foal for the last multiple hours and forgot about this. Oops.

 

[BobLoblaw78]

I thought you said genny is always blunt though? She doesn't suddenly become effervescent when she's wolfing.

Maybe. I don’t think I have seen her wolf. But regardless, it would be NAI, correct???

 

[PippyPony]

But you are still asking to hang around until Wednesday. Which will be close to the end of the game. Then I will bet doll hairs to pesos that you make a plead to yeet someone else come endgame.

Wednesday is the start of game D3, so unless you know something I don't, it won't be the end of the game.

 

[WildZoo]

Maybe. I don’t think I have seen her wolf. But regardless, it would be NAI, correct???

Well if it's NAI then I'm still not sure why you're village reading her.

 

[SportPonies]

Joke from April here feels weird

I disagree that this is even a joke

I
I want to remember genny did this

I was also going to ask why but I see this was addressed.

Sus

#### unyeet Vis ####

#### yeet Mel ####

A vote for Mel is never wrong. That feels a lot better. I like to see Cheezit under pressure early, it's essential to get a read on him and we don't have Midwife.

I dislike this quite a lot, but I can also read Mel quite well.

M
More sus from Mel

But why is this sus?
Actually it just kinda feels like everything is sus to cray so far as page 3 lol

 

[alleycat03]

"try it for the 5th time and see" comment sounded like town flippancy

Takes mega guts to issue a dare like that as a wolf if you know you have a history of getting yeeted early

I am in agreement with Pippy. I don’t think Vis would be this casual and “flippant” if she was wolfing

So that people would literally ask this question and use this reasoning.

Sunny might be unintentionally pocketing me, because I’ve definitely agreed with her logic so far, and I usually get sketchy vibes from her on D1.

Noob wolves do this all the time though. They forget to ask the pack or the pack isn't as responsive as open thread.

Also noob wolves will still ask seemingly NAI questions on thread so they have something to say, it can be difficult for them to generate content and they can hope they look uninformed.

Maybe he isn't in wolf chat but is still planning a NK.

I *definitely* asked noob questions to seem like I was contributing when I was panicking on what to say as a noob wolf. My “so how many wolves do you think there are” from breadsticks comes to mind.

See and that’s what actually bothers me about it. The idea that “she’s the rep so she should be pressured”.

In some ways it feels like an unsavory way to game solve, but since you were the one who brought it up I guess it’s fair game.

Here’s why this bothers me: Most games Village has the task of finding and yeeting wolves. Wolves have the job of misyeeting villagers until parity. We all, village and wolves (or I guess town and mafia technically), have an additional task this game of “providing practice” for Cray and Dubz.

So from a villagers prospective if we wanted to both win the game, and provide practice to Cray and Dubz, we would play the game, wolf hunt and pressure Cray and Dubz only when they actually ping us as wolves.

From a wolf perspective though, you would both want to win by misyeeting and try to misyeet the people who need the pressure and practice.

Now I’m sure you didn’t go though the logic steps of it before placing your vote, but it does feel a lot more wolfy to me than village.

And by the way, that’s in no way the actual sequence of events like you’ve presented it. You immediately naked voted WZ, she asked why, you joked about it being because of breads height.

Later when I asked you said it was real, because you were planning to “yeet her if she’s a wolf”. This was very odd phrasing btw because you couldn’t possibly know if you’re making a mistake or not until after she flips.

You did explain, no ones saying you didn’t, so it’s weird to get defensive about it.

I’m really not trying that hard to push this Mayo, but you’re getting pretty defensive. Reminds me of shades of red Mayo. (See, I can reference games where you were a wolf too.)

Yeet Mayo

This seems like the logic stretching that wolf Zenge is known for. I’m pretty sure Cray has pointed it out before in previous games

Don't get me wrong -- even if I disagree with that specific reasoning, it's still totally possible he's a wolf.

I can't remember if this actually happened or if I'm exaggerating it in my head, but I think I may have strongly defended wolf!mayo in the past lol

I defended wolf!mayo hardcore in the noob game, so while I’m getting some flashbacks to that (mainly because I don’t want to be wrong again), I don’t think he’s wolfy

Ok well now this doesn't feel v/v to me either but I don't know who to believe

Personally, I’m leaning wolf on Zenge and village on Mayo based on their interactions

 

[SportPonies]

You say this as if everyone should automatically assume this and it feels weird

I cannot remember why I quoted it but I'm posting it so I can jump back to the quote and check.

Oh I forgot about his explanation. Huh

I'll keep that in mind but I'm not set on yeeting him over that, I understand the point he made and I'll wait to see what else he says

This feels wishy-washy.

But how do you know she's a villager and how does she know you're a villager?

w/v sus sounds very much like v/v sus, not always easy to tell the difference unless the reasoning is off, and even then villagers can have off reasoning and wolves can have solid reasoning

But then this sounds better.

 

[SportPonies]

Later on sure. Started with a naked vote on the 3rd post of the thread with no prior salt or joke. Mentioned bread later I guess but the explanation to me later wasn’t “it was a joke vote because of bread’s height”.


His explanation to you felt like a joke, to justify the vote. His explanation to me felt less like he was making a joke vote but it also didn’t really make sense to me.

This feels like a forced explanation, tbh. Like Zenge is pushing too hard to make this vote happen. And I can't decide if that would be weirder for a wolf or a villager.

 

[SportPonies]

Well if you’re village in more interested in finding a wolf.

And I agree with Pippy on this whole Pip v Sunny conversation on page 4. Sunny's word choice sounded too sure of herself; like a wolf slip.

unyeet Dubz
yeet sunny

Time to go wrangle a foal again so brb.