Originally posted by mgmd
depends what you mean by superior - I'm not ready to close any doors, it seems to me that UCSF's match list is more diverse, with an obvious bias towards CA.
Here we go with the stupid diversity talk again..... if you are so interested in that you should have gone to a foreign country for med school.
It's a subjective qualification - for someone who feels that Hopkins is the best place to do your residency then Hopkins is obviously the better place to go to med school
Hopkins is hands down a better place overall for residency training than UCSF is, that much is clear.
but based on my selective stats if someone wants to go to Brig+Women's, to Mayo, or to Mass Gen, they could easily conclude that UCSF would offer them a better chance at getting in.
If someone wants to go to B/W, Mayo, or MGH they should go to Harvard or Mayo for med school, not JHU or UCSF.
When you look at the match lists as a whole, you will see that Hopkins put a lot more people into the top academic medical centers where the most prestigious residency programs are.
Your argument about B/W and such is a red herring.
Hopkins happens to only allow its students to do 6 weeks of rotations away from school and UCSF allows its students 3,5 months - that's really important for me because I want to get a good sense of what's out there.
Thats not true at all for Hopkins. Where are you getting your info from?
I brought up the issue because in comparison to Hopkins, UCSF has no other academic medical center where patients might be treated. It's just a fact that there is no competition for patients.
The comparison to Philly is inappropriate because it's a much larger city that needs more hospitals. SF is larger than Baltimore by about 150 000 people and has a single medical school that has three very different sites of delivery for patient care - the county, the VA, and the tertiary care center. That's a definite bonus for medical training - I'm not sure how you can coherently argue with that.
Baltimore has the same thing... you can do all that stuff in either city. Every good medical center in the country has visiting med students who will be participating with you. I guess UCSF is the exception though since you insist there is absolutely no other med students present.
Makes me wonder why no visiting med students choose to rotate thru UCSF.... hmmmm
Hey - you win, there are more poor people in E Baltimore. Which always kind of disturbed me when I thought about it - the best medical center in the country can be found in one of the worst neighborhoods in the country, one with the highest rates of syphilis, gonorrhea, and low birth weight children (all preventable illnesses)- am I only one who sees something wrong with that picture?
what are you implying here? That hopkins is not doing enough to help the surrounding community? I'd bet you straight up that Hopkins gives out vastly more free medical care than UCSF does, so before you throw stones you might want to check your own house first.
You simply dont understand how devastatingly screwed up E Baltimore is. No medical system can compensate for 500 city square blocks of urban slum, I dont care how advanced it is. If you put MGH, Hopkins, Mayo, B/W, and the Texas Medical Center (with 14 teaching hospitals) into E Baltimore, it wouldnt even make a dent in the surrounding decay.
Have you ever been to E Baltimore?
